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2021-11-01 9:45:39 AM  
We need to get rid of everything like this.  I mean, this is from a racist cartoon from the 1940s.  It has no place on the most watched TV event in America in 2020.

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2021-11-01 10:23:29 AM  
It's doomed.  We're doing the little dance we always do around this kind of thing, but it's doomed.  We've already progressed from "What's so offensive about that?" to "Don't you have more important things to worry about?"

It's this.  We know how this story ends.  And I used to go to the games and do it, and now I get what's offensive about it.  I'm OK with not doing it because it does kind of take an entire culture an turn it into a cartoon.  Everyone can see that.  People just want to keep the things they always had.

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I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?
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2021-11-01 10:29:50 AM  
Didn't Deion Sanders bring it with him from Florida's Shiattiest University?
 
2021-11-01 10:31:53 AM  
Pow Wow the Indian Boy?

*clicks link*

Pow Wow the Indian Boy.
 
2021-11-01 10:36:07 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?


There was a certain contingent that were loud about it, but they went away fairly quickly.

The difference between then and now really boils down to this: then, people would argue that it wasn't racist- that using indigenous imagery was a way to honor the past. Today, in 2021, the fact that it's racist is the entire appeal.

Somewhere between 1985 and now, we decided it would be a good idea to quit publicly shaming garbage human beings. Oops.
 
2021-11-01 10:36:52 AM  

Rapmaster2000: People just want to keep the things they always had.


Some folks are just a little slower than others.

It took Cleveland a while to figure out what Stanford University did about 50 years earlier.

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/of course, changing their mascot to a color was kind of silly, but still...
 
2021-11-01 10:38:59 AM  

Dr.Fey: Rapmaster2000: People just want to keep the things they always had.

Some folks are just a little slower than others.

It took Cleveland a while to figure out what Stanford University did about 50 years earlier.

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/of course, changing their mascot to a color was kind of silly, but still...


Well, in their defense, in Ohio it's always 10-20 years ago.
 
2021-11-01 10:48:39 AM  
changing their mascot to a color was kind of silly, but still...

hey, the stoned tree is a pretty good character mascot, even if it's not the name
 
2021-11-01 11:01:25 AM  
The origins of the Atlanta Braves' idiotic tomahawk chop theme song

I'll take Racism for $100 Alex
 
2021-11-01 11:01:50 AM  
it's a one-two punch: racist and farking annoying as hell.
 
2021-11-01 11:02:28 AM  

Gonz: Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?

There was a certain contingent that were loud about it, but they went away fairly quickly.

The difference between then and now really boils down to this: then, people would argue that it wasn't racist- that using indigenous imagery was a way to honor the past. Today, in 2021, the fact that it's racist is the entire appeal.

Somewhere between 1985 and now, we decided it would be a good idea to quit publicly shaming garbage human beings. Oops.


I don't think it's a matter of them not being publicly shamed, but rather they've grown unabashed shameless in their own right.

Plus there is an appeal in being a cause celebre for the perception of being racist. You can burn down a right winger's house, damage their cars, steal from their bank accounts, and as long as you say or do something racist, they will defend you to the death from the "liberals". It's not even about tradition or heritage anymore - those items serve as a middle finger to "liberals". It's not surprising that the blue line flag slowly replaced the Confederate flag the past 5 years, it's their new middle finger.
 
2021-11-01 11:04:09 AM  
Interesting article.
 
2021-11-01 11:13:59 AM  

JAGChem82: Gonz: Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?

There was a certain contingent that were loud about it, but they went away fairly quickly.

The difference between then and now really boils down to this: then, people would argue that it wasn't racist- that using indigenous imagery was a way to honor the past. Today, in 2021, the fact that it's racist is the entire appeal.

Somewhere between 1985 and now, we decided it would be a good idea to quit publicly shaming garbage human beings. Oops.

I don't think it's a matter of them not being publicly shamed, but rather they've grown unabashed shameless in their own right.

Plus there is an appeal in being a cause celebre for the perception of being racist. You can burn down a right winger's house, damage their cars, steal from their bank accounts, and as long as you say or do something racist, they will defend you to the death from the "liberals". It's not even about tradition or heritage anymore - those items serve as a middle finger to "liberals". It's not surprising that the blue line flag slowly replaced the Confederate flag the past 5 years, it's their new middle finger.


Yep.  If you're still a member of the GOP, you have no shame.
 
2021-11-01 11:19:58 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?


If I remember correctly, they removed the teepee before a season in the 80's. In the pre-Internet era this wasn't particularly newsworthy to anyone outside of Atlanta. But what was newsworthy was the fact that the Braves proceeded to lose a bunch of games to start the season and amusingly put the teepee back (only to eventually come to their senses and remove it for good).
 
2021-11-01 11:31:55 AM  

Dr.Fey: We need to get rid of everything like this.  I mean, this is from a racist cartoon from the 1940s.  It has no place on the most watched TV event in America in 2020.

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Yeah... that shiat has made me uncomfortable since I was about 6 years old. It needs to die out.
 
2021-11-01 11:31:57 AM  

Gonz: Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?

There was a certain contingent that were loud about it, but they went away fairly quickly.

The difference between then and now really boils down to this: then, people would argue that it wasn't racist- that using indigenous imagery was a way to honor the past. Today, in 2021, the fact that it's racist is the entire appeal.

Somewhere between 1985 and now, we decided it would be a good idea to quit publicly shaming garbage human beings. Oops.


What are you talking about? We still publicly shame garbage humans all the time, hell it's the golden age of shaming garbage humans. The difference has become the garbage humans don't care about being shamed anymore. The big part of Trump's appeal (yes even more than the racism) is that he gave assholes of all stripes permission to be their worst selves.
 
2021-11-01 11:32:53 AM  
If baseball was against racist gestures Yuli Gurriel would be flipping burgers now

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2021-11-01 12:02:04 PM  
Kinda hard to take the "Heritage, not hate" route when the team openly participated in white flight.
 
2021-11-01 12:03:46 PM  
Don't forget the human trafficking.
 
2021-11-01 12:36:58 PM  

Dafatone: Don't forget the human trafficking.


I don't think you know what human trafficking is.  So, time to explain your claims.  What human trafficking?

And don't try to pass off accusations as real evidence.  You need to define what it is and show specific examples.  Otherwise, at this point, you're nothing more than a troll.
 
2021-11-01 12:42:57 PM  

Magnus: Dafatone: Don't forget the human trafficking.

I don't think you know what human trafficking is.  So, time to explain your claims.  What human trafficking?

And don't try to pass off accusations as real evidence.  You need to define what it is and show specific examples.  Otherwise, at this point, you're nothing more than a troll.


https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/02/fbi-investigation-mlb-atlanta-braves-los-angeles-dodgers

I know, I know. It's not a criminal conviction along with a signed and notarized "WE DID IT" banner and therefore I'm trolling.
 
2021-11-01 12:43:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?
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1985? No, talk radio as we know and despise it was still in its infancy.  And from what I've read, there was more controversy in the 70s over the argument that it was knocking off Chief Wahoo, than when it was discontinued after the 85 season.
 
2021-11-01 12:47:00 PM  
Where's John Rocker when you need him?
 
2021-11-01 12:47:48 PM  

Dr.Fey: We need to get rid of everything like this.  I mean, this is from a racist cartoon from the 1940s.  It has no place on the most watched TV event in America in 2020.

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Fark can't stop using the 1930s era Nazi propaganda of plague rats destroying society and you expect this stuff to go away?   HAHAHA.  Nice.
 
2021-11-01 12:57:45 PM  

virulent_loser: it's a one-two punch: racist and farking annoying as hell.


As a Toronto Blue Jays fan I learned to hate it quite well in 1992. It was racist and annoying then too.
 
2021-11-01 1:04:12 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?
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1985? No, talk radio as we know and despise it was still in its infancy.  And from what I've read, there was more controversy in the 70s over the argument that it was knocking off Chief Wahoo, than when it was discontinued after the 85 season.


Robert Gordon Duncan, Jerry Buckley, Father Coughlin. All pre-WW2. Talk radio isn't new, it's just a lower strata of media. One step up from a basement ham operator.

As for Atlanta's National League, Eastern Division team: I, for one, wish they would return to their roots as the "Bean-Eaters". Their logo can be a fart cloud coming out of a butt.
 
2021-11-01 1:04:20 PM  
Eh. Let's go with Atlanta Baseball Team for a while.

/My vote is for the Fire Ants
 
2021-11-01 1:09:38 PM  

mrparks: UNC_Samurai: Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?
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1985? No, talk radio as we know and despise it was still in its infancy.  And from what I've read, there was more controversy in the 70s over the argument that it was knocking off Chief Wahoo, than when it was discontinued after the 85 season.

Robert Gordon Duncan, Jerry Buckley, Father Coughlin. All pre-WW2. Talk radio isn't new, it's just a lower strata of media. One step up from a basement ham operator.

As for Atlanta's National League, Eastern Division team: I, for one, wish they would return to their roots as the "Bean-Eaters". Their logo can be a fart cloud coming out of a butt.


Father Coughlin was a national hemorrhoid,  absolutely.  But it wasn't until the end of the Fairness Doctrine that the Limbaughs and Liddys of the world turned AM stations into radioactive waste dumps.
 
2021-11-01 1:22:09 PM  

UNC_Samurai: mrparks: UNC_Samurai: Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?
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1985? No, talk radio as we know and despise it was still in its infancy.  And from what I've read, there was more controversy in the 70s over the argument that it was knocking off Chief Wahoo, than when it was discontinued after the 85 season.

Robert Gordon Duncan, Jerry Buckley, Father Coughlin. All pre-WW2. Talk radio isn't new, it's just a lower strata of media. One step up from a basement ham operator.

As for Atlanta's National League, Eastern Division team: I, for one, wish they would return to their roots as the "Bean-Eaters". Their logo can be a fart cloud coming out of a butt.

Father Coughlin was a national hemorrhoid,  absolutely.  But it wasn't until the end of the Fairness Doctrine that the Limbaughs and Liddys of the world turned AM stations into radioactive waste dumps.


Yeah, we were already on a rightward lurch even before the internet was in everyone's homes. Also, I think people discount just how conservative America has been for pretty much its entire existence. The only reason we even briefly flirted with European-style "socialism" (or whatever you want to call it) is because the Great Depression almost kind of made us
 
2021-11-01 1:24:00 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Eh. Let's go with Atlanta Baseball Team for a while.

/My vote is for the Fire Ants


Cobb County, Georgia Baseball Team.
 
2021-11-01 1:28:03 PM  

mrparks: As for Atlanta's National League, Eastern Division team: I, for one, wish they would return to their roots as the "Bean-Eaters". Their logo can be a fart cloud coming out of a butt.


Um, their original actual name was given away, 113 years ago, to their neighbors across the tracks on Huntingon Avenue. Beaneaters was just something the papers came up with, because that's what they did back then (and where we get like half our nicknames from). Most of those early nicknames weren't anywhere near official until the 20s, or whenever it was that copyright law came about.

If we're gonna take one of those old Boston names I choose Bees, because of the tie-in with the GT people.
 
2021-11-01 1:41:50 PM  
not the bees dot gif
 
2021-11-01 2:51:44 PM  
This is another annoying guy that needs to go away.

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2021-11-01 2:54:12 PM  

mikaloyd: If baseball was against racist gestures Yuli Gurriel would be flipping burgers now

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He looks like he's performing a Vulcan mind meld on himself.
 
2021-11-01 2:56:59 PM  
The Saltine Warrior was the mascot of Syracuse Univerity athletics up until 1978. Though the mascot was banned, fans were still doing a slow variation of the chop before kickoffs at the games I went to in the late 90s. (No chanting at least.)

As for the logo, yeesh:

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2021-11-01 3:01:57 PM  

EyeballKid: Kinda hard to take the "Heritage, not hate" route when the team openly participated in white flight.


Yeah, I miss The Ted.  Would've been awesome to renovate it, instead of building a replica in Cobb County.  Would've been even better if that often promised neighborhood revitalization had come to fruition.
 
2021-11-01 3:10:30 PM  

mrparks: UNC_Samurai: Rapmaster2000: I was only a kid when they got rid of Noc-A-Homa.  Did people lose their shiat then or was there no talk radio to get Real America fired up?
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1985? No, talk radio as we know and despise it was still in its infancy.  And from what I've read, there was more controversy in the 70s over the argument that it was knocking off Chief Wahoo, than when it was discontinued after the 85 season.

Robert Gordon Duncan, Jerry Buckley, Father Coughlin. All pre-WW2. Talk radio isn't new, it's just a lower strata of media. One step up from a basement ham operator.

As for Atlanta's National League, Eastern Division team: I, for one, wish they would return to their roots as the "Bean-Eaters". Their logo can be a fart cloud coming out of a butt.


How they landed on Braves was they were originally called the Red Stockings, while the lower major league named their team the Americans.  At some point, ownership changed it to Braves, since the logo at Tammany Hall was a Native American chief.  So the lower major league team took the Red Stockings name, then shortened it to Red Sox.  At some point, to change the team's fortunes, it was changed to Bees.  Then it went back to Braves.
 
2021-11-01 3:13:12 PM  

FriarReb98: mrparks: As for Atlanta's National League, Eastern Division team: I, for one, wish they would return to their roots as the "Bean-Eaters". Their logo can be a fart cloud coming out of a butt.

Um, their original actual name was given away, 113 years ago, to their neighbors across the tracks on Huntingon Avenue. Beaneaters was just something the papers came up with, because that's what they did back then (and where we get like half our nicknames from). Most of those early nicknames weren't anywhere near official until the 20s, or whenever it was that copyright law came about.

If we're gonna take one of those old Boston names I choose Bees, because of the tie-in with the GT people.


The Guardians were once called the Naps after one of their players.  I don't think anyone would have an issue with calling the Atlanta club the Hammers.
 
2021-11-01 3:34:04 PM  

bluorangefyre: EyeballKid: Kinda hard to take the "Heritage, not hate" route when the team openly participated in white flight.

Yeah, I miss The Ted.  Would've been awesome to renovate it, instead of building a replica in Cobb County.  Would've been even better if that often promised neighborhood revitalization had come to fruition.


It did come to fruition.  Do a street view right now.

The parking lots north of the stadium are apartments and condos.  Georgia Ave a block east of the stadium has businesses, bars, and restaurants.

Ironically, the thing preventing revitalization was the Braves because they needed so much parking that there was never housing built that could revitalize the neighborhood.  The neighborhood was a ghost town.

Now that the dust has settled, this move worked out great for everybody.  The Braves got to control their own entertainment complex, Atlanta got to gentrify another neighborhood, and Georgia State finally got their own stadium.

The only potential loser is Cobb because they paid for 2/3rds of that stadium with bonds backed by rental cars and hotels.  Atlanta only paid for 1/5th of Benz.  But they seem happy.
 
2021-11-01 3:57:02 PM  

bluorangefyre: The Guardians were once called the Naps after one of their players.  I don't think anyone would have an issue with calling the Atlanta club the Hammers.


That would work, yes....
 
2021-11-01 5:39:38 PM  
Daily reminder that the Tribe have not won the World Series since they changed their logo:

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2021-11-01 7:05:08 PM  

bluorangefyre: The Guardians were once called the Naps after one of their players.  I don't think anyone would have an issue with calling the Atlanta club the Hammers.


And you could still have the mascot be a fire ant, which is a tie-in that needed to happen 25 years ago.
 
2021-11-02 8:41:32 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Daily reminder that the Tribe have not won the World Series since they changed their logo:

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And that their football team is very, very shiatty.
 
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