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2021-10-30 1:58:55 PM  
The term "brain fog" was coined to encompass these neurologic complaints that patients felt were too often dismissed or ignored.

The term "brain fog" has been used at least for decades. Who knows how much longer. But I encountered the terms "brain fog" and "fibro fog" around the late '90s for fibromyalgia patients. It wasn't "coined" for COVID long haulers.

Now, new research confirms what they are telling us: 24 percent of COVID-19 survivors experience significant cognitive impairment that affects memory, executive function and processing speeds.

So the anti-vaxxers are going to get even dumber. Super.
 
2021-10-30 2:03:01 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: So the anti-vaxxers are going to get even dumber. Super.


Look on the bright side, maybe they'll forget to vote.
 
2021-10-30 2:08:17 PM  

Cafe Threads: Three Crooked Squirrels: So the anti-vaxxers are going to get even dumber. Super.

Look on the bright side, maybe they'll forget to vote.


Ominous in a sci-fi way though. In the Planet of the Apes (1968) humans' intelligence declined over the centuries, and they became mute and feral so it was easy for the apes to take control.
 
2021-10-30 2:11:03 PM  
We have millions of people who won't take a free vaccine to avoid a lethal global pandemic. Our cognitive crisis has been here for a while.
 
2021-10-30 2:11:58 PM  
As long as they get over it before someone convinces them to jump into a volcano its all good.
 
2021-10-30 2:15:11 PM  
Maybe Planet of the Apes is not an apt speculative theory, but say for instance long term effects of Covid infections generations down the line, cause infertility and/or cognitive decline. That would be a big problem for the human race on Earth.
 
2021-10-30 2:30:05 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: We have millions of people who won't take a free vaccine to avoid a lethal global pandemic. Our cognitive crisis has been here for a while.


Do we want zombies?

Because this is how you get zombies.

/username
// say it three times
/// and I show up
 
2021-10-30 2:32:52 PM  
"Forgetfulness, an inability to concentrate, a feeling that something is just "off."

I apparently had COVID years ago.
 
2021-10-30 3:46:55 PM  
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2021-10-30 4:19:18 PM  

vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: We have millions of people who won't take a free vaccine to avoid a lethal global pandemic. Our cognitive crisis has been here for a while.

Do we want zombies?

Because this is how you get zombies.

/username
// say it three times
/// and I show up


Really? Could you bring beer and cat food? That would really help me out.
 
2021-10-30 4:23:44 PM  

vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: We have millions of people who won't take a free vaccine to avoid a lethal global pandemic. Our cognitive crisis has been here for a while.

Do we want zombies?

Because this is how you get zombies.

/username
// say it three times
/// and I show up


*prepares herself*

Bring weed, please, kthxbai.
 
2021-10-30 4:32:35 PM  

Jake Havechek: Cafe Threads: Three Crooked Squirrels: So the anti-vaxxers are going to get even dumber. Super.

Look on the bright side, maybe they'll forget to vote.

Ominous in a sci-fi way though. In the Planet of the Apes (1968) humans' intelligence declined over the centuries, and they became mute and feral so it was easy for the apes to take control.


Lol wot?
 
2021-10-30 4:33:47 PM  
Oh no, the stupids who voted for Trump might become even stupider.
 
2021-10-30 4:34:29 PM  

Jake Havechek: Maybe Planet of the Apes is not an apt speculative theory, but say for instance long term effects of Covid infections generations down the line, cause infertility and/or cognitive decline. That would be a big problem for the human race on Earth.


I see why you're concerned. You clearly can't afford to lose any more brain cells.
 
2021-10-30 4:36:10 PM  
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Is brain fog the same as a break cloud?  Because that is fatal.
 
2021-10-30 4:36:16 PM  
It took a year to get over the brain fog, and my coordination is recovering very slowly. That was a MILD case.
 
2021-10-30 4:36:54 PM  
25% of 46,000,000 people is nothing compared to having to behave like a decent, kind, human being and member of society.
 
2021-10-30 4:38:06 PM  
We need a lot more research on how much is covid, how much is psychosomatic, and how much is the effect of living through a pandemic unprepared for the mental and physical stressors. How many people who haven't had covid report the same symptoms?
 
2021-10-30 4:38:07 PM  
The cognitive impact has long since set in. We're just now and very slowly starting to unravel it.

No two bones about it. It's horrible.
 
2021-10-30 4:44:17 PM  
I bet the article ignores PTSD
 
2021-10-30 4:44:24 PM  
Well at least the Trumpers will be too dumb to bring about Gilead now.
 
2021-10-30 4:47:48 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The term "brain fog" was coined to encompass these neurologic complaints that patients felt were too often dismissed or ignored.

The term "brain fog" has been used at least for decades. Who knows how much longer. But I encountered the terms "brain fog" and "fibro fog" around the late '90s for fibromyalgia patients. It wasn't "coined" for COVID long haulers.

Now, new research confirms what they are telling us: 24 percent of COVID-19 survivors experience significant cognitive impairment that affects memory, executive function and processing speeds.

So the anti-vaxxers are going to get even dumber. Super.


When my parents got vaxxed, dad had a stroke (he got the Moderna vaccine, so was almost certainly unrelated).  Mom insisted it was "brain fog" and didn't take him to the hospital for 2 weeks.  I think she had the "brain fog" (he lost almost all medium term memory, and has been slowly regaining it, if at all.  Dad is 85, and I'm not sure he has enough time to recover).

Valter: The cognitive impact has long since set in. We're just now and very slowly starting to unravel it.

No two bones about it. It's horrible.


How does it compare to selectively culling the stupid through the anti-vaxxers and anti-mask communities getting lethal cases of Covid?  There is certainly a long-term benefit for herd intelligence.
 
2021-10-30 4:51:11 PM  

KB202: We need a lot more research on how much is covid, how much is psychosomatic, and how much is the effect of living through a pandemic unprepared for the mental and physical stressors. How many people who haven't had covid report the same symptoms?


Also how much is due to psychological after-effects from Covid infection. All of those effects in the article are also present in moderate depression, for instance. How does Covid infection play into neuropsychological changes in the patient, and what is the cause/pathway?

Here's the dirty secret: If we define success by whether a severely ill patient survives to hospital discharge - as most clinical trials do - our health system is improving every year. If we define it as a full recovery - we're failing.

This really, really, really needs to be hammered home into people, not just with Covid, but any health condition. There is more to being healthy than your surviving a hospital stay, or having your cholesterol be a certain number. Going home and getting treatment is the start. not the end of well-being. America doesn't give a damn about quality of life, including mental health.
 
2021-10-30 4:57:33 PM  

Jake Havechek: Maybe Planet of the Apes is not an apt speculative theory, but say for instance long term effects of Covid infections generations down the line, cause infertility and/or cognitive decline. That would be a big problem for the human race on Earth.


I'm not really seeing how an increase in human infertility would be a big problem for the human race on Earth.

On the contrary, I think it might be just what the human race and the Earth both need.
 
2021-10-30 4:58:31 PM  

anuran: It took a year to get over the brain fog, and my coordination is recovering very slowly. That was a MILD case.


it took me about a year as well. It went away after I got the second jab. I am getting the third next week. I cant wait. Getting the kid jabbed next week as well. Cant wait to take him to the movies
 
2021-10-30 5:01:07 PM  
Sweet, I can now blame my preexisting brain fog on this even though I've never gotten covid.
 
2021-10-30 5:01:17 PM  

Biscuit Tin: vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: We have millions of people who won't take a free vaccine to avoid a lethal global pandemic. Our cognitive crisis has been here for a while.

Do we want zombies?

Because this is how you get zombies.

/username
// say it three times
/// and I show up

Really? Could you bring beer and cat food? That would really help me out.


Sadly, the beer would go to the cats and you get the Tender Vittles.
 
2021-10-30 5:04:04 PM  

Cafe Threads: Three Crooked Squirrels: So the anti-vaxxers are going to get even dumber. Super.

Look on the bright side, maybe they'll forget to vote.


Or they'll just die off and won't be alive enough to vote.
 
2021-10-30 5:04:43 PM  

Jake Havechek: Cafe Threads: Three Crooked Squirrels: So the anti-vaxxers are going to get even dumber. Super.

Look on the bright side, maybe they'll forget to vote.

Ominous in a sci-fi way though. In the Planet of the Apes (1968) humans' intelligence declined over the centuries, and they became mute and feral so it was easy for the apes to take control.


Yes but this was after the virus had gone around that killed pets causing people to want apes as pets and then servants.

The moment we see anyone using apes as servants...game over.
 
2021-10-30 5:11:26 PM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: Jake Havechek: Maybe Planet of the Apes is not an apt speculative theory, but say for instance long term effects of Covid infections generations down the line, cause infertility and/or cognitive decline. That would be a big problem for the human race on Earth.

I'm not really seeing how an increase in human infertility would be a big problem for the human race on Earth.

On the contrary, I think it might be just what the human race and the Earth both need.


Economically it would take huge reallocations of wealth and capital that a lot of people are unwilling to undertake.

There's no way a lot of economies can function without replacement populations because in most cases, instead of taxing the Uber wealthy, we have decided to use a model where we broadly tax the working generation to pay for social security and Medicare acting like we are paying into something, which we are not and never have. It worked when we had silent generation people paid by boomers and there are too many of them to be paid by everyone else.

China is going to see the impact of the one child policy in the next decade and it won't be good.
 
2021-10-30 5:19:28 PM  
So they'll be getting stupider, yiiiiiiiiikes.
 
2021-10-30 5:23:09 PM  
I had brain fog, but I never had Covid. I also felt achy and run-down all the time and I kind of assumed I had it at some point and was asymptomatic and I didn't notice anything until the long-haul symptoms started making themselves known.

/It turned out to be parathyroid cancer
//see your doctor when you feel bad
 
2021-10-30 5:29:45 PM  
And I'm sure the very same people that refused to vaccinate or wear masks are going to be the first in line to get their federal disability benefits, yelling and screaming that illegals are faking it to steal all their relief money.
 
2021-10-30 5:30:20 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: KB202: We need a lot more research on how much is covid, how much is psychosomatic, and how much is the effect of living through a pandemic unprepared for the mental and physical stressors. How many people who haven't had covid report the same symptoms?

Also how much is due to psychological after-effects from Covid infection. All of those effects in the article are also present in moderate depression, for instance. How does Covid infection play into neuropsychological changes in the patient, and what is the cause/pathway?

Here's the dirty secret: If we define success by whether a severely ill patient survives to hospital discharge - as most clinical trials do - our health system is improving every year. If we define it as a full recovery - we're failing.

This really, really, really needs to be hammered home into people, not just with Covid, but any health condition. There is more to being healthy than your surviving a hospital stay, or having your cholesterol be a certain number. Going home and getting treatment is the start. not the end of well-being. America doesn't give a damn about quality of life, including mental health.


Got bad news for you, countries with healthcare operate pretty much the same way. They're interested in keeping you alive. How fulfilling that life is doesn't really enter into their equations.
 
2021-10-30 5:35:33 PM  

Jake Havechek: Maybe Planet of the Apes is not an apt speculative theory, but say for instance long term effects of Covid infections generations down the line, cause infertility and/or cognitive decline. That would be a big problem for the human race on Earth.


I have faith in Evolution to make the right decision.  It's in Darwin's hands now.
 
2021-10-30 5:36:49 PM  
With all the danger and restrictions, who doesn't have some cognitive issues?   Sure, some anti-social types like to think things have gotten better, but they had cognitive challenges before this.   If you've gone this far and you think you're not affected, you're fooling yourself.   Humans are social animals (well, the evolved ones are).
 
2021-10-30 5:42:21 PM  

Boo_Guy: Duck_of_Doom: KB202: We need a lot more research on how much is covid, how much is psychosomatic, and how much is the effect of living through a pandemic unprepared for the mental and physical stressors. How many people who haven't had covid report the same symptoms?

Also how much is due to psychological after-effects from Covid infection. All of those effects in the article are also present in moderate depression, for instance. How does Covid infection play into neuropsychological changes in the patient, and what is the cause/pathway?

Here's the dirty secret: If we define success by whether a severely ill patient survives to hospital discharge - as most clinical trials do - our health system is improving every year. If we define it as a full recovery - we're failing.

This really, really, really needs to be hammered home into people, not just with Covid, but any health condition. There is more to being healthy than your surviving a hospital stay, or having your cholesterol be a certain number. Going home and getting treatment is the start. not the end of well-being. America doesn't give a damn about quality of life, including mental health.

Got bad news for you, countries with healthcare operate pretty much the same way. They're interested in keeping you alive. How fulfilling that life is doesn't really enter into their equations.


That is some weak-sauce ASAB bullshiat.
 
2021-10-30 5:44:31 PM  
Ear infections and tinnitus is another under reported side effect of infection I read, and possibly a side effect of vaccination.
 
2021-10-30 5:45:47 PM  

Begoggle: Oh no, the stupids who voted for Trump might become even stupider.


That doesn't scare you?
 
2021-10-30 5:47:53 PM  
And we thought that the antimaskers, antivaxxers, and Republicans were stupid BEFORE ...

The ones who live are going to be positively insufferable.
 
2021-10-30 5:48:16 PM  

freakay: Ear infections and tinnitus is another under reported side effect of infection I read, and possibly a side effect of vaccination.


At this point everything short of spontaneous combustion is a side effect of COVID. Vax up and all that, but c'mon. It's not farking ebola. People need to chill. All this constant "COVID will kill you, rape your wife, kick your dog, and steal your stock portfolio!" bullshiat is part of the reason why the idiots of the world won't take it seriously.
 
2021-10-30 5:52:38 PM  

valenumr: Begoggle: Oh no, the stupids who voted for Trump might become even stupider.

That doesn't scare you?


Our current level of general stupid is unstable and a danger to our democracy.   It might help if the stupid got lower, or higher.
 
2021-10-30 5:52:42 PM  
Should make treating anti-vaxxers with lung and other organ damage failure easier. Tell them it's the flu and to take some zinc and chicken noodle soup, an aspirin if they feel sore, just don't come to the hospital for treatment because their prayer warriors have them covered and that is the best treatment that there is.
 
2021-10-30 5:54:00 PM  

Bslim: Boo_Guy: Duck_of_Doom: KB202: We need a lot more research on how much is covid, how much is psychosomatic, and how much is the effect of living through a pandemic unprepared for the mental and physical stressors. How many people who haven't had covid report the same symptoms?

Also how much is due to psychological after-effects from Covid infection. All of those effects in the article are also present in moderate depression, for instance. How does Covid infection play into neuropsychological changes in the patient, and what is the cause/pathway?

Here's the dirty secret: If we define success by whether a severely ill patient survives to hospital discharge - as most clinical trials do - our health system is improving every year. If we define it as a full recovery - we're failing.

This really, really, really needs to be hammered home into people, not just with Covid, but any health condition. There is more to being healthy than your surviving a hospital stay, or having your cholesterol be a certain number. Going home and getting treatment is the start. not the end of well-being. America doesn't give a damn about quality of life, including mental health.

Got bad news for you, countries with healthcare operate pretty much the same way. They're interested in keeping you alive. How fulfilling that life is doesn't really enter into their equations.

That is some weak-sauce ASAB bullshiat.


No it's my first hand experience with it, you can farkoff with making it into a BSAB thing.
 
2021-10-30 6:07:52 PM  

anuran: It took a year to get over the brain fog, and my coordination is recovering very slowly. That was a MILD case.


2 months and I'm still dealing with it. My case was bad enough where I almost ended up in the hospital this way. My oxygen levels dipped into the high 80s for one day.  I was down nearly three weeks
 
2021-10-30 6:10:54 PM  
One of my SO's daughters got COVID in Jan 2020 or so. Still has recurrences of brain fog.

Try getting/keeping a job like that. Oh, and she's *just* 40.
 
2021-10-30 6:11:33 PM  
It makes sense.  When my father in law was diagnosed with COPD and was told to use supplemental oxygen at night, one big reason why was to combat the cognitive loss that comes with lung problems.
 
2021-10-30 6:20:55 PM  
Driving in the left lane with the blinker on has been liberated from teh old people.
 
2021-10-30 6:30:28 PM  
I had a light misty brain fog before Covid, courtesy of a previous illness/treatment. After Covid it was more of a pea soup fog, like my brain was wandering around with its eyes closed, just bumping into things at random while my vocabulary fled for its life.

I couldn't even count the number of times I completely lose words mid-sentence and end up, increasingly frustrated, rambling about 'that thing, you know...the one next to that other thing? That you use when you want to go to that place with the whatchamacallits?', partly because it has happened so often and partly just because I'd get distracted while counting.
 
2021-10-30 6:34:49 PM  

valenumr: Begoggle: Oh no, the stupids who voted for Trump might become even stupider.

That doesn't scare you?


If they can get to the point where they forget to breathe, then it'll be great.
 
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