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2021-10-30 10:25:42 AM  
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2021-10-30 10:38:18 AM  
I thought a couple more decades might help to cool anti-abortion sentiments.  I wasn't expecting that a couple years would make a third of the country angrily opposed to medicine in general.

Honestly, the way it's going, the best chance for protecting abortion is hoping that the nutbars will all refocus their efforts on banning satanic child sacrifice, exposing squid creatures in vaccines and affirming the existence of the firmament.
 
2021-10-30 11:03:47 AM  
Look. As long as you're a straight white wealthy man who votes Republican you'll be fine.

Anyone else, you might be farked

/they'll eventually come for their redneck base
 
2021-10-30 11:46:09 AM  

Gubbo: Look. As long as you're a straight white wealthy man who votes Republican you'll be fine.


<pushes up nerd glasses>

Well akshually they can't tell who you vote for by looking at you so even a straight white wealthy man who votes Democrat will be fine if he keeps his trap shut.

See how inclusive the GQP is!?!?
 
2021-10-30 12:41:43 PM  
If they have their way, it will require an up to date passport. "Let the states decide" is only the foot jammed in the door.
 
2021-10-30 12:46:48 PM  
Wait, you mean the Supreme Court actually was vitally important this whole time?
 
2021-10-30 12:47:43 PM  
Don't Republican women realize they're going to be steamrolled once this dream of theirs hits the fan?
 
2021-10-30 12:49:23 PM  
Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.
 
2021-10-30 12:50:20 PM  
Like in the '70s and '80s, it's time for a huge march on D.C. to protect those rights. It's how we showed the massive support that got us abortion rights. Lots of men participated, and women pushing babies in strollers, too. The right to choose indeed
I was at all of those, including after I had my tubes tied.

What are YOU going to do, younger generations?
 
2021-10-30 12:51:17 PM  

Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.


Why bother? They'll just go straight to "make abortion illegal federally".
 
2021-10-30 12:52:29 PM  

Xcott: I thought a couple more decades might help to cool anti-abortion sentiments.  I wasn't expecting that a couple years would make a third of the country angrily opposed to medicine in general.

Honestly, the way it's going, the best chance for protecting abortion is hoping that the nutbars will all refocus their efforts on banning satanic child sacrifice, exposing squid creatures in vaccines and affirming the existence of the firmament.


This is what happens when you never hold religion accountable
 
2021-10-30 12:53:45 PM  

Valter: Don't Republican women realize they're going to be steamrolled once this dream of theirs hits the fan?


Republican women hate liberated, sexually active women. Those liberal hussies need to suffer the consequences of not being repressed.
 
2021-10-30 12:54:33 PM  
Overturning Roe could mean women seeking abortions have to travel hundreds of miles

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2021-10-30 12:57:47 PM  
Interesting that the monied can easily travel and get around these bans but the rest will have to suck it up.

Sorry, it isn't really interesting. Just the typical way in which the legal system pushes the hardest on those with no money. It's the ultimate pay to play game.
 
2021-10-30 1:00:24 PM  

qorkfiend: Wait, you mean the Supreme Court actually was vitally important this whole time?


Yeah, turns out we should have had Bernie Sanders as the Democratic Party presidential candidate back in 2016, would have cleaned Trump's clock and bring in more young voters to the fold by a person who actually intends to attempt to get all the things he promises to the people that need them. But no, we went with the only person who was able to be beaten by Donald Trump.
 
2021-10-30 1:02:11 PM  

Valter: Don't Republican women realize they're going to be steamrolled once this dream of theirs hits the fan?


A good portion of them have been brainwashed from early childhood to be completely submissive to men and to bear their children, and if one of them happens to get pregnant out of wedlock, which the Bible tells them is absolutely immoral, daddy sends them out of state where it can be taken care of quietly. Unless it's daddy's baby, then all bets are off.

/yes Republican women are really that farked up
 
2021-10-30 1:03:35 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: qorkfiend: Wait, you mean the Supreme Court actually was vitally important this whole time?

Yeah, turns out we should have had Bernie Sanders as the Democratic Party presidential candidate back in 2016, would have cleaned Trump's clock and bring in more young voters to the fold by a person who actually intends to attempt to get all the things he promises to the people that need them. But no, we went with the only person who was able to be beaten by Donald Trump.


lol.
 
2021-10-30 1:05:50 PM  

bdub77: Valter: Don't Republican women realize they're going to be steamrolled once this dream of theirs hits the fan?

A good portion of them have been brainwashed from early childhood to be completely submissive to men and to bear their children, and if one of them happens to get pregnant out of wedlock, which the Bible tells them is absolutely immoral, daddy sends them out of state where it can be taken care of quietly. Unless it's daddy's baby, then all bets are off.

/yes Republican women are really that farked up


Yeah, I know. Makes me sad. I almost married into a Mormon family. She seemed super nice and friendly for years right up until she started talking politics and I genuinely thought for a moment I was talking to a different person. No luck, that's how they were and presumably still are.

I got nothing against Mormons specifically, but y'all got a metric crap ton of crazy in your tent.
 
2021-10-30 1:10:41 PM  
Democrats could always use their Congressional majorities to either pass legislation making Roe law or even expand SCOTUS to 13 (matching the circuits, as it should) to right-size and balance the fraudulent court as it stands today.

Oh, and impeach Kavanaugh for lying to Congress at his confirmation and for sexual assault.
 
2021-10-30 1:11:52 PM  

Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.


Yep, they won't let you travel for it, so the distance is moot.

Of course, if a rich republican's daughter becomes unfortunately inconvenienced, they'll have their family doctor to whoops it away, Same as it ever was.
 
2021-10-30 1:14:41 PM  

Farker Soze: Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.

Yep, they won't let you travel for it, so the distance is moot.

Of course, if a rich republican's daughter becomes unfortunately inconvenienced, they'll have their family doctor to whoops it away, Same as it ever was.


Or they'll go study abroad in Europe for a year
 
2021-10-30 1:14:50 PM  
You'd think the politicians would embrace abortion since they hate the poors so much. Fewer poors for them to deal with.

Though I guess that would also mean fewer workers for the meat grinder. Carry on, then.
 
2021-10-30 1:15:07 PM  

Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.


What would be the mechanism for legally barring someone from leaving one state to go do a legal thing in another state?  That seems like something no one should have the power to do.
 
2021-10-30 1:16:32 PM  
Step 1:  Open abortion clinics on all the borders surrounding red states
Step 2: Provide bus service.
Step 3  PROFIT!
 
2021-10-30 1:17:28 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Democrats could always use their Congressional majorities to either pass legislation making Roe law or even expand SCOTUS to 13 (matching the circuits, as it should) to right-size and balance the fraudulent court as it stands today.

Oh, and impeach Kavanaugh for lying to Congress at his confirmation and for sexual assault.


Now now ,we don't want to appear partisan now, do we?

You know that when republicans take over they're probably going to ban women from interstate travel unless accompanied by a man of good standing in order to keep them from getting abortions, right?
 
2021-10-30 1:20:03 PM  
How naive of them to think that they'll allow the rest of the States to keep body autonomy rights.
 
2021-10-30 1:20:10 PM  

lindalouwho: Like in the '70s and '80s, it's time for a huge march on D.C. to protect those rights. It's how we showed the massive support that got us abortion rights. Lots of men participated, and women pushing babies in strollers, too. The right to choose indeed
I was at all of those, including after I had my tubes tied.

What are YOU going to do, younger generations?


Continue to work extra shifts in the ER with inappropriate staff-to-patient ratios to take care of all the incredibly sick patients that really should be in an ICU, except the ICU is completely full and the hospital is at 99% capicity?
 
2021-10-30 1:22:19 PM  

Valter: Don't Republican women realize they're going to be steamrolled once this dream of theirs hits the fan?


They're generally some combination of:

1. Bad things happen to bad people, so I'm not going to be affected by this because I'm a good person, who really likes to make "bad people" suffer to the max.

2. I'm past having children, so this doesn't affect me personally so this will only affect other people.

3. This surely won't apply to abortions I need, because I'm one of the good ones.

4. My family has enough money to pay for me to "take a skiing trip to France"
 
2021-10-30 1:22:28 PM  

lindalouwho: Like in the '70s and '80s, it's time for a huge march on D.C. to protect those rights. It's how we showed the massive support that got us abortion rights. Lots of men participated, and women pushing babies in strollers, too. The right to choose indeed
I was at all of those, including after I had my tubes tied.

What are YOU going to do, younger generations?


You mean besides get scolded by a member of an age group that overwhelmingly votes Republican?
 
2021-10-30 1:24:38 PM  

Xcott: I thought a couple more decades might help to cool anti-abortion sentiments.  I wasn't expecting that a couple years would make a third of the country angrily opposed to medicine in general.

Honestly, the way it's going, the best chance for protecting abortion is hoping that the nutbars will all refocus their efforts on banning satanic child sacrifice, exposing squid creatures in vaccines and affirming the existence of the firmament.


The cold war just pushed different shaped ships and tanks on the map.  Today Facebook's treasure trove of psych weapons are what's in play and new weapons are being mined more intensely than bitcoin.
 
2021-10-30 1:24:38 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: qorkfiend: Wait, you mean the Supreme Court actually was vitally important this whole time?

Yeah, turns out we should have had Bernie Sanders as the Democratic Party presidential candidate back in 2016, would have cleaned Trump's clock and bring in more young voters to the fold by a person who actually intends to attempt to get all the things he promises to the people that need them. But no, we went with the only person who was able to be beaten by Donald Trump.


If Bernie hadn't lost he wouldve won
 
2021-10-30 1:27:29 PM  
Might as well strap in for some serious social unrest in the coming years. And with a potential fascist government we will get storm troopers eager to knock heads and fill up camps. It's like Red Dawn but the invasion is from within.
 
2021-10-30 1:29:18 PM  

austerity101: Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.

What would be the mechanism for legally barring someone from leaving one state to go do a legal thing in another state?  That seems like something no one should have the power to do.


We'll figure it out later. There has to be some past case to be referenced.  If it's important to the charged they'll spend millions in court within a week or two or alternatively be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy so I guess it's balanced.
 
2021-10-30 1:31:09 PM  

qorkfiend: Wait, you mean the Supreme Court actually was vitally important this whole time?


'even if that's true what about my anxiety?  my boyfriend can't find a job and im pretty sure hillary killed my family.  jill wouldn't have appointed these judges'
 
2021-10-30 1:35:26 PM  

Gubbo: Look. As long as you're a straight white wealthy man who votes Republican you'll be fine.

Anyone else, you might be farked

/they'll eventually come for their redneck base


They already do actively attack much of the redneck base. They just don't often acknowledge it aloud.

Making it harder to qualify for welfare programs or reducing the benefits provided by them harms the poor, gutting public education funding in red states harms the poor and middle class, every tax cut for the wealthy comes out of the pockets of everyone else, and making reproductive care harder to obtain for women harms every woman who isn't wealthy enough to treat hopping states like a walk down the street.

It's just that it's always framed as being an attack on some "other" to the redneck base.
 
2021-10-30 1:40:06 PM  
FTFA: Illinois stands to be a particularly critical "destination" state for patients in surrounding states where abortion could be banned after a Roe reversal.For nearly 9 million women -- including for women in neighboring states like Indiana and Missouri, as well as women as far as Louisiana and Alabama -- their next closest clinics would be Illinois, according to Guttmacher. The percentage of women who would need drive to the state to reach their nearest clinic would increase by 8,651% percent.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you want to make some easy money, invest in Illinois abortion clinics.  Illinois is a blue island in a sea of red derp.  Every neighboring state will outlaw abortion once Roe is overturned.  Meanwhile, the Illinois legislature is currently debating the repeal of parental notification rules, so minors will be able to get abortions without needing permission from mom and dad.

I tell ya', it's gonna' be a bonanza for Illinois.  Like a gold rush, except it'll be an abortion-rush instead.
 
2021-10-30 1:40:36 PM  

Greylight: austerity101: Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.

What would be the mechanism for legally barring someone from leaving one state to go do a legal thing in another state?  That seems like something no one should have the power to do.

We'll figure it out later. There has to be some past case to be referenced.  If it's important to the charged they'll spend millions in court within a week or two or alternatively be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy so I guess it's balanced.


I'm really racking my brain over this. Have there ever been instances of a behavior outlawed simply because you cross state lines to do it? I mean, states more or less have the right to make whatever they want legal or illegal, aside from what federal laws and civil rights dictate. It seems like you'd have to say that one state has the right to tell another state what they can and cannot make legal or illegal, and I'm struggling to think of any situations in which this is the case. It seems fairly antithetical to the structure of this country's laws.
 
2021-10-30 1:43:04 PM  

Xetal: lindalouwho: Like in the '70s and '80s, it's time for a huge march on D.C. to protect those rights. It's how we showed the massive support that got us abortion rights. Lots of men participated, and women pushing babies in strollers, too. The right to choose indeed
I was at all of those, including after I had my tubes tied.

What are YOU going to do, younger generations?

Continue to work extra shifts in the ER with inappropriate staff-to-patient ratios to take care of all the incredibly sick patients that really should be in an ICU, except the ICU is completely full and the hospital is at 99% capicity?


Damn good excuse to not go to D.C.
Stay safe.
Maybe you can email your Congresscritters to fight to keep abortion safe for everyone. Really, any or all critters will do.
 
2021-10-30 1:44:38 PM  

El Borscht: lindalouwho: Like in the '70s and '80s, it's time for a huge march on D.C. to protect those rights. It's how we showed the massive support that got us abortion rights. Lots of men participated, and women pushing babies in strollers, too. The right to choose indeed
I was at all of those, including after I had my tubes tied.

What are YOU going to do, younger generations?

You mean besides get scolded by a member of an age group that overwhelmingly votes Republican?


I vote Dem, always have, your argument is invalid.

Is that an excuse for taking no action?
 
2021-10-30 1:45:34 PM  

austerity101: Greylight: austerity101: Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.

What would be the mechanism for legally barring someone from leaving one state to go do a legal thing in another state?  That seems like something no one should have the power to do.

We'll figure it out later. There has to be some past case to be referenced.  If it's important to the charged they'll spend millions in court within a week or two or alternatively be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy so I guess it's balanced.

I'm really racking my brain over this. Have there ever been instances of a behavior outlawed simply because you cross state lines to do it? I mean, states more or less have the right to make whatever they want legal or illegal, aside from what federal laws and civil rights dictate. It seems like you'd have to say that one state has the right to tell another state what they can and cannot make legal or illegal, and I'm struggling to think of any situations in which this is the case. It seems fairly antithetical to the structure of this country's laws.


Age of consent laws.

Trafficking minors across state lines where sex would be legal.
 
2021-10-30 1:45:59 PM  

Bowen: El Borscht: lindalouwho: Like in the '70s and '80s, it's time for a huge march on D.C. to protect those rights. It's how we showed the massive support that got us abortion rights. Lots of men participated, and women pushing babies in strollers, too. The right to choose indeed
I was at all of those, including after I had my tubes tied.

What are YOU going to do, younger generations?

You mean besides get scolded by a member of an age group that overwhelmingly votes Republican?

"Since we're right back where we started, the things we did clearly didn't work, so why aren't you doing the same thing?"


It got Roe v Wade passed.
But you be you.
 
2021-10-30 1:46:35 PM  
You'll just have to wait until the child is born and then murder it.  They're cool with that and will even offer a knife if you need one.
 
2021-10-30 1:47:28 PM  
If that is what you consider scolding... snowflake much?

It's weird attacking someone who wants to see abortion stay available and safe.
 
2021-10-30 1:54:18 PM  

Elliot8654: austerity101: Greylight: austerity101: Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.

What would be the mechanism for legally barring someone from leaving one state to go do a legal thing in another state?  That seems like something no one should have the power to do.

We'll figure it out later. There has to be some past case to be referenced.  If it's important to the charged they'll spend millions in court within a week or two or alternatively be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy so I guess it's balanced.

I'm really racking my brain over this. Have there ever been instances of a behavior outlawed simply because you cross state lines to do it? I mean, states more or less have the right to make whatever they want legal or illegal, aside from what federal laws and civil rights dictate. It seems like you'd have to say that one state has the right to tell another state what they can and cannot make legal or illegal, and I'm struggling to think of any situations in which this is the case. It seems fairly antithetical to the structure of this country's laws.

Age of consent laws.

Trafficking minors across state lines where sex would be legal.


I knew someone would mention that, but that is in a different category because federal law doesn't allow for sex with persons under 18. Crossing state lines with a minor makes it a federal issue at that point. But if the minor doesn't leave the state, then it's still legal as far as I can tell.

There is no federal law outlawing abortion; overturning Roe v. Wade would not make abortion federally illegal.

The drinking age in Quebec is 18. We used to drive up all the time when we were under 21, and it was perfectly legal. I assume something similar took place within the US when the drinking age still varied, yes? Or when tobacco laws were similar, before it switched all to 21 in 2019?

Some states require a concealed-carry permit, while others do not. I couldn't be arrested in my home state for legally concealed-carrying license-free in another state, right?
 
2021-10-30 1:54:21 PM  
As long as Republicans can still send their daughters and mistresses away to get abortions, this won't end.
 
2021-10-30 1:55:37 PM  
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2021-10-30 2:03:57 PM  
Why are we letting a vocal minority try to take away a right that the vast majority want to keep? That is insane.
 
2021-10-30 2:04:01 PM  

austerity101: Elliot8654: austerity101: Greylight: austerity101: Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.

What would be the mechanism for legally barring someone from leaving one state to go do a legal thing in another state?  That seems like something no one should have the power to do.

We'll figure it out later. There has to be some past case to be referenced.  If it's important to the charged they'll spend millions in court within a week or two or alternatively be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy so I guess it's balanced.

I'm really racking my brain over this. Have there ever been instances of a behavior outlawed simply because you cross state lines to do it? I mean, states more or less have the right to make whatever they want legal or illegal, aside from what federal laws and civil rights dictate. It seems like you'd have to say that one state has the right to tell another state what they can and cannot make legal or illegal, and I'm struggling to think of any situations in which this is the case. It seems fairly antithetical to the structure of this country's laws.

Age of consent laws.

Trafficking minors across state lines where sex would be legal.

I knew someone would mention that, but that is in a different category because federal law doesn't allow for sex with persons under 18. Crossing state lines with a minor makes it a federal issue at that point. But if the minor doesn't leave the state, then it's still legal as far as I can tell.

There is no federal law outlawing abortion; overturning Roe v. Wade would not make abortion federally illegal.

The drinking age in Quebec is 18. We used to drive up all the time when we were under 21, and it was perfectly legal. I assume something similar took place within the US when the drinking age still varied, yes? Or when tobacco laws were similar, before it switched all to 21 in 2019?

Some states require a concealed-carry permit, while others do not. I couldn't be arrested in my home state for legally concealed-carrying license-free in another state, right?


You're making one fatal error.
You're assuming that the law, constitution, precedent, or anything of the sort matters to right wing idiots.

They could propose and pass a law saying "no crossing state lines for abortions" and will cite "interstate commerce" as authority

Then it gets challenged in court, and because McConnell and his ilk, it goes to the supreme court and is upheld by judge beerbro and Handmaid's lady.

I have learned not to ever say "there's no way they are allowed to do that" as a valid defense. Example; pretty much everything Trump did (keeping his businesses, openly admitting to violating ethics statutes, etc)
 
2021-10-30 2:08:11 PM  

El Borscht: lindalouwho: Like in the '70s and '80s, it's time for a huge march on D.C. to protect those rights. It's how we showed the massive support that got us abortion rights. Lots of men participated, and women pushing babies in strollers, too. The right to choose indeed
I was at all of those, including after I had my tubes tied.

What are YOU going to do, younger generations?

You mean besides get scolded by a member of an age group that overwhelmingly votes Republican?


Younger people have marched in huge numbers against war, against out-of-control capitalism that's ruining their lives, and against school shootings that are taking their lives, among many other protests the last 20+ years.

Our government decided the kids were wrong and they should just keep making things worse. And then old people are all "if you want change you have to keep voting for the people making things worse" and wondering why the kids just tell them to fark off.
 
2021-10-30 2:08:22 PM  

austerity101: Greylight: austerity101: Snapper Carr: Step 1:  Overturn Roe v Wade.  Allow states to outright ban abortion

Step 2:  GOP controlled Congress makes traveling crossing state lines for purposes of seeking to terminate a pregnancy illegal.

What would be the mechanism for legally barring someone from leaving one state to go do a legal thing in another state?  That seems like something no one should have the power to do.

We'll figure it out later. There has to be some past case to be referenced.  If it's important to the charged they'll spend millions in court within a week or two or alternatively be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy so I guess it's balanced.

I'm really racking my brain over this. Have there ever been instances of a behavior outlawed simply because you cross state lines to do it? I mean, states more or less have the right to make whatever they want legal or illegal, aside from what federal laws and civil rights dictate. It seems like you'd have to say that one state has the right to tell another state what they can and cannot make legal or illegal, and I'm struggling to think of any situations in which this is the case. It seems fairly antithetical to the structure of this country's laws.


Age of consent laws can be applied across geopolitical boundaries. That's why Matt Gaetz is an admitted sex trafficker. He literally used the excuse he took the girl to another state where she was old enough. And since he said it on the HoR floor, it's written verbatim into our nation's history. If this nation still had a functioning justice system he'd be in jail awaiting trial.
 
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