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2021-10-29 10:07:36 PM  
Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.
 
2021-10-29 10:44:11 PM  
Too late f+ckers
 
2021-10-29 11:04:48 PM  

BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.


There are people who are against all vaccines in general.  We call them the Church of Morons. But there's no religious basis for being against only the Covid vaccine.
 
2021-10-29 11:24:32 PM  

BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.


"Trumpism" and "since Fox News," respectively.

/They sure as hell aren't actually Christian, but they sure as hell have undying faith in something.
 
2021-10-29 11:36:46 PM  
In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.
 
2021-10-29 11:47:36 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.


I don't know all the local stuff going on there, but that seems like a good policy. It needs to be paired with other stuff, but that certainly encourages vaccination.
 
2021-10-29 11:56:03 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Benevolent Misanthrope: In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.

I don't know all the local stuff going on there, but that seems like a good policy. It needs to be paired with other stuff, but that certainly encourages vaccination.


I agree. Alaska has banned vaccine mandates, and are party to the suit moving through the system to fight the federal vaccine mandate for federal contractors.  So, this is a good way around it, I think.  But then these f*cking hicks will outlaw that, too, probably, because it is an overt attempt to circumvent the law.

Of course, when they make an overt attempt to circumvent the law, it's perfectly fine, and the smartest thing anybody ever did.
 
2021-10-30 12:30:12 AM  
If Texas can mandate a woman to give birth, we can mandate a facemask and vaccinations.
 
2021-10-30 12:31:25 AM  
This means that nearly all workers in health care facilities licensed by the state must be vaccinated in order to keep their jobs.

Holy fark.  There's actually some sanity gurgling up from the diseased sea of derp??
 
2021-10-30 12:34:16 AM  
See, I got this made-up religion that says it's okay to possibly kill anybody.
 
2021-10-30 12:44:57 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.


They'll just not get tested to see whether they had Covid, or fake the documents, right?
 
2021-10-30 12:45:33 AM  

joaquin closet: See, I got this made-up religion that says it's okay to possibly kill anybody.


It's fascinating. In catholicism there is one of these commandments "thou shalt not kill". I guess Christians don't follow the same rules.
 
2021-10-30 12:50:07 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Benevolent Misanthrope: In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.

They'll just not get tested to see whether they had Covid, or fake the documents, right?


They can mandate screenings.
 
2021-10-30 12:51:40 AM  

Mugato: BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.

There are people who are against all vaccines in general.  We call them the Church of Morons. But there's no religious basis for being against only the Covid vaccine.


what are you talking about?

the bible is meant to be a prop for whatever bullshiat you want.

/as the orange god taught us
 
2021-10-30 12:55:23 AM  

BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.


There are a few like sects of the christian science people who have no sense of irony ... but these sects are small and very rare that have an actual history of opposition.

The bulk decide whether they are for or against something based on what the orange idol says, or whatever next idiot comes along to lead them.
 
2021-10-30 1:00:24 AM  
George freaking Washington mandated that his soldiers get vaccinated. fark! Why is this a Supreme Court issue??
 
2021-10-30 1:05:32 AM  

BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.


Nurgle, obviously.
 
2021-10-30 1:19:20 AM  
So, I'm trying to figure out why these people didn't sue back in 2019 (I think that's when I read it was passed by a nice majority) when this law went into effect in Maine.

If they're so serious about their religion, surely it mattered back then.

Right?
 
2021-10-30 1:21:55 AM  
Aww, more Republican voters aren't going to die from COVID-19?

I'm cool with that. Voters who experienced such and survived might convert to the Demonic side.

Unlikely I know, but I'm not into death by plague, even for white supremacists.
 
2021-10-30 1:56:21 AM  

AirForceVet: Aww, more Republican voters aren't going to die from COVID-19?

I'm cool with that. Voters who experienced such and survived might convert to the Demonic side.

Unlikely I know, but I'm not into death by plague, even for white supremacists.


To be fair, white supremacism IS a plague.

/Signed: Whitey mcWhiterson
 
2021-10-30 1:58:26 AM  
Interesting what happens when you have Supreme Court justices who follow the law instead of just making it up as they go, isn't it?
 
2021-10-30 2:27:30 AM  

BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine


Christian Science.

Their core tenet is that all medicine is Satanism. Only prayer can heal the sick.
 
2021-10-30 2:53:20 AM  

Airius: BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.

There are a few like sects of the christian science people who have no sense of irony ... but these sects are small and very rare that have an actual history of opposition.

The bulk decide whether they are for or against something based on what the orange idol says, or whatever next idiot comes along to lead them.


The thing with those CS people is that they prohibit medicine in all forms.
What these other idiots are claiming is that they have religious exemption against the covid vaccines specifically. Even while the various church leaderships have said there is nothing of the sort whatsoever.
 
2021-10-30 2:54:44 AM  

Excelsior: AirForceVet: Aww, more Republican voters aren't going to die from COVID-19?

I'm cool with that. Voters who experienced such and survived might convert to the Demonic side.

Unlikely I know, but I'm not into death by plague, even for white supremacists.

To be fair, white supremacism IS a plague.

/Signed: Whitey mcWhiterson


1000% agreed

/Signed: Another Whitey
 
2021-10-30 2:56:22 AM  
Though it is a loss for the religious right, it is not an especially significant one.

That's not what Hannity told me.
 
2021-10-30 4:09:31 AM  
"In a dissent joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, Gorsuch essentially agrees with the plaintiffs, making the case for granting a religious exemption to the state's vaccine mandate. Quoting Tandon v. Newsom (2021), one of the Court's two recent decisions granting places of worship an exemption from certain public health rules, Gorsuch claims that a law is constitutionally suspect "if it treats 'any comparable secular activity more favorably than religious exercise.'""

"Though it is a loss for the religious right, it is not an especially significant one."
 
2021-10-30 4:10:49 AM  
"Had Gorsuch's approach prevailed, it's likely that religious objectors would be exempted from nearly any law. Speed limits, for example, typically exempt police, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles responding to an emergency."
 
2021-10-30 4:48:27 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.


They did that at my wife's school and at least one nutter got vaccinated.

Because pocketbook is the only way to leverage them.
 
2021-10-30 6:59:57 AM  
"dissent by Justice Neil Gorsuch"

FOAD, all you Republicans.

Seriously, just die in a ditch.  Today.  Before you do any more damage.
 
2021-10-30 7:26:00 AM  

joaquin closet: See, I got this made-up religion that says it's okay to possibly kill anybody.


You're close...

Thus, under Gorsuch's approach, the state must exempt religious objectors because it has a single exemption - again, for people who could suffer serious health consequences if they receive the vaccine.

Had Gorsuch's approach prevailed, it's likely that religious objectors would be exempted from nearly any law. Speed limits, for example, typically exempt police, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles responding to an emergency. Even laws banning homicide typically contain exemptions for self-defense. (Although, in fairness, Gorsuch concedes that a religious exemption is inappropriate when the "challenged law serves a compelling interest and represents the least restrictive means for doing so." So Gorsuch probably would not allow religiously motivated murder.)
 
2021-10-30 7:30:15 AM  

Kris_Romm: "Had Gorsuch's approach prevailed, it's likely that religious objectors would be exempted from nearly any law. Speed limits, for example, typically exempt police, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles responding to an emergency."


Future history book:

In Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, et al. v. Department of Justice (2025), SCOTUS ruled that concerned citizens investigating suspicious blah people are exempt from laws prohibiting murder, provided they publicly avow their sincerely held religious belief that they must secure a future for their ethnicity and their children. An amicus curiae Tweet from newly re-elected President-For-Life Trump was influential in the Court's decision, which was 5-2 after the mysterious deaths of two liberal Justices
 
2021-10-30 7:37:47 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Kris_Romm: "Had Gorsuch's approach prevailed, it's likely that religious objectors would be exempted from nearly any law. Speed limits, for example, typically exempt police, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles responding to an emergency."

Future history book:

In Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, et al. v. Department of Justice (2025), SCOTUS ruled that concerned citizens investigating suspicious blah people are exempt from laws prohibiting murder, provided they publicly avow their sincerely held religious belief that they must secure a future for their ethnicity and their children. An amicus curiae Tweet from newly re-elected President-For-Life Trump was influential in the Court's decision, which was 5-2 after the mysterious deaths of two liberal Justices


The mystery wasn't the deaths of the liberal justices, but that McConnell allowed them to be seated.
 
2021-10-30 7:52:39 AM  
Note however that this wasn't a final decision, but rather a temporary one while the appeals process proceeds.
 
2021-10-30 8:46:21 AM  
My cousin's NAZI fiancé died 2 days ago. Set to be married on 11/4.  Fortunately Darwin got his sorry ass first.
 
2021-10-30 9:18:11 AM  
Maybe we can pass laws that allow private citizens to sue anyone with covid suspected of being unvaccinated for $10000 for each person the have come in contact with.
 
2021-10-30 9:24:00 AM  
Now they'll just not get vaccinated even harder.
 
2021-10-30 9:44:13 AM  

BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine and how long you have been a member of a congregation.


Not a member, but here's a list.  I was surprised the 'Church of Christ, Scientist' doesn't have an actual prohibition, it just discourages them.
 
2021-10-30 9:44:16 AM  
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2021-10-30 10:00:20 AM  
"I like Moderna!"

"Blessed be the shot!"
 
2021-10-30 10:18:27 AM  

Mad-n-FL: If Texas can mandate a woman to give birth, we can mandate a facemask and vaccinations.


No that is different.  Because mask and vaccine mandates also apply to men.  And you can't have that.
 
2021-10-30 11:17:53 AM  
The fact that they heard a case on long settled law is absurd.  Vaccine mandates are about as old as the US.
 
2021-10-30 11:25:33 AM  

webron: The fact that they heard a case on long settled law is absurd.  Vaccine mandates are about as old as the US.


They haven't heard this case yet. This order was temporary while the appeals proceed.
 
2021-10-30 11:37:20 AM  
Religious exemptions, at this point, are mostly "OK ok FINE the law and general standards of human decency don't apply to white people with money will you just shut up already, GOSH"
 
2021-10-30 11:38:07 AM  

NathanAllen: Benevolent Misanthrope: In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.

They did that at my wife's school and at least one nutter got vaccinated.

Because pocketbook is the only way to leverage them.


I love it when they say, "See?  SEE??? If it weren't bad, they wouldn't pay us to get it!"  They're trying to overcome your stupidity with greed, you assholes.
 
2021-10-30 11:38:09 AM  

Cheesehead_Dave: joaquin closet: See, I got this made-up religion that says it's okay to possibly kill anybody.

You're close...

Thus, under Gorsuch's approach, the state must exempt religious objectors because it has a single exemption - again, for people who could suffer serious health consequences if they receive the vaccine.

Had Gorsuch's approach prevailed, it's likely that religious objectors would be exempted from nearly any law. Speed limits, for example, typically exempt police, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles responding to an emergency. Even laws banning homicide typically contain exemptions for self-defense. (Although, in fairness, Gorsuch concedes that a religious exemption is inappropriate when the "challenged law serves a compelling interest and represents the least restrictive means for doing so." So Gorsuch probably would not allow religiously motivated murder.)


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2021-10-30 12:03:02 PM  

Ishkur: BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine

Christian Science.

Their core tenet is that all medicine is Satanism. Only prayer can heal the sick.


I know some Christian Scientists and like all religious people, they ignore the parts of their religion when it suits them.
 
2021-10-30 12:56:33 PM  

Ishkur: Cheesehead_Dave: joaquin closet: See, I got this made-up religion that says it's okay to possibly kill anybody.

You're close...

Thus, under Gorsuch's approach, the state must exempt religious objectors because it has a single exemption - again, for people who could suffer serious health consequences if they receive the vaccine.

Had Gorsuch's approach prevailed, it's likely that religious objectors would be exempted from nearly any law. Speed limits, for example, typically exempt police, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles responding to an emergency. Even laws banning homicide typically contain exemptions for self-defense. (Although, in fairness, Gorsuch concedes that a religious exemption is inappropriate when the "challenged law serves a compelling interest and represents the least restrictive means for doing so." So Gorsuch probably would not allow religiously motivated murder.)

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I think you can remove the top two panels.
 
2021-10-30 1:01:41 PM  
Subby, the SCOTUS hasn't decided that their followers have suffered enough death.  They've decided that they should die unemployed.
 
2021-10-30 1:05:17 PM  

Ishkur: BizarreMan: Please point out any religion that is anti vaccine

Christian Science.

Their core tenet is that all medicine is Satanism. Only prayer can heal the sick.


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2021-10-30 1:29:54 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Benevolent Misanthrope: In other news, the Juneau School District, in the face of these f*cking nutters in Alaska banning vaccine mandates, have a new policy.  If you're unvaccinated and get COVID, you take sick leave for it.  If you're vaxxed and get COVID, the time you are out is still with pay but doesn't count against your sick leave.

They'll just not get tested to see whether they had Covid, or fake the documents, right?


If they don't get vaccinated, they take sick leave whether they have covid or something else.  If they are vaccinated, they show proof of vaccination and diagnosis to get the extra paid sick leave. I'm ok with this.

/get vaccinated
 
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