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(Mother Jones)   Kaiser Permanente workers threatening to strike over proposed pay cuts. Execs counter that there's no profit in American healthcare   (motherjones.com) divider line
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2021-10-28 1:22:01 PM  
When lazy sit at home stock owners taketh then Labor must giveth
 
2021-10-28 1:29:39 PM  
To be replaced by Temp-to-Permanente workers.
 
2021-10-28 1:34:21 PM  
So when will strikes, unions, benefits, sick days, vacation days, the 8 hour work day, minimum wage, social security and any other social program be declared unconstitutional?
 
2021-10-28 1:51:14 PM  
Where's your Kaiser now?
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2021-10-28 1:54:23 PM  
Thank you for your service and dedication to our company, but we are going to have to pay you less so that our stock price can go up.
 
2021-10-28 1:56:34 PM  
Eternal emperor?
 
2021-10-28 2:01:35 PM  
If healthcare and insurance weren't profitable then there wouldn't be advertisements for them.
 
2021-10-28 2:07:03 PM  
Last week a patient asked me what it was like to work at Kaiser Permanente and I burst into tears.

They demand everything, and pretend that it's all just "the unique stresses of the COVID pandemic." They intentionally do not hire new employees. They had a hiring freeze that went on for several years even while departments were falling apart due to attrition. Management must be brought to heel.

And the worst thing is that I have to read this on Fark, and not from my local Union Reps.
 
2021-10-28 2:09:07 PM  
Oh, there's no profit in American healthcare?  Sounds like it needs to become a utility then.
 
2021-10-28 2:15:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So when will strikes, unions, benefits, sick days, vacation days, the 8 hour work day, minimum wage, social security and any other social program be declared unconstitutional?


I think that one already is

you work 45 mins every hour with a mandatory 15 min break, and a one-hour break for lunch.

then you are scheduled from 7am to 5pm for your 8 hours of work.  Plus commutes.

/currently salaried with a 45 hr work week, 8:30-5:30 since I get two 15 min breaks and an 30 min for lunch each day.
 
2021-10-28 2:18:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So when will strikes, unions, benefits, sick days, vacation days, the 8 hour work day, minimum wage, social security and any other social program be declared unconstitutional?


My friend darkly joked the other day about companies going around with press-gangs to get the labor they feel they're entitled to.
 
2021-10-28 2:23:09 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Oh, there's no profit in American healthcare?  Sounds like it needs to become a utility then.


Kaiser Permanente is, or at least was, a nonprofit organization. They still use a .org domain on their website, not that it means much. Why does it always have to be the workers on the low end who have to bear the cuts? Why can't they sacrifice executive compensation?

The stationary engineers are already striking. There are big posters placed by management in the lobbies about how swell labor relations are. It's all bonkers!
 
2021-10-28 2:28:42 PM  

zimbach: Kaiser Permanente is, or at least was, a nonprofit organization.


Yeah, I've worked for a couple of not-for-profit / nonprofit health insurance organizations. I'm well aware of the executive largess and absolute fart-sniffing that can come from places like that.

I worked at Bank of America immediately afterwards and that place felt far LESS scummy.
 
2021-10-28 3:05:29 PM  
Kaiser argues that the cuts are needed to remain competitive, saying that its workers are paid up to 37 percent above market levels in some areas.

So once more it's a race to the bottom. I wonder how the pay of their execs compares to others.
 
2021-10-28 3:20:14 PM  

FrancoFile: To be replaced by Temp-to-Permanente workers.


Kaiser to Fuerher.
 
2021-10-28 3:39:05 PM  

zimbach: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Oh, there's no profit in American healthcare?  Sounds like it needs to become a utility then.

Kaiser Permanente is, or at least was, a nonprofit organization. They still use a .org domain on their website, not that it means much.


Yeah, the way Kaiser does it, there may not be much profit.

Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. is a non-profit, one of the biggest in the country, and its regional subsidiaries are also non-profit.  The regional Permanente Medical Groups are for-profit, but are mainly funded by reimbursements from the non-profit foundation.  And their doctors are salaried, not paid by the procedure.  (So there's less incentive to just sign you up for every possible procedure.)

Stationary engineers?  The boiler operators are on strike?  That's not terribly surprising; folks like that have been union forever.

/sat an exam in the same room at the same time as some SE's, licensed by the same state agency here
 
2021-10-28 3:50:31 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So when will strikes, unions, benefits, sick days, vacation days, the 8 hour work day, minimum wage, social security and any other social program be declared unconstitutional?


There are judges working on the first two already. Both John Deere and one of the coal companies have had state judges put restraining orders on the Unions limiting picketing. For John Deere, no more than 4 people per gate.
 
2021-10-28 4:02:22 PM  
For current employees, Kaiser is proposing a 1 percent annual raise for the next three years, which amounts to a pay cut after accounting for inflation.

What inflation? Oh, you mean that bump in prices that's 'transitory'? The Uncle Joe administration says we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads about that.
 
2021-10-28 4:44:53 PM  

jjorsett: For current employees, Kaiser is proposing a 1 percent annual raise for the next three years, which amounts to a pay cut after accounting for inflation.

What inflation? Oh, you mean that bump in prices that's 'transitory'? The Uncle Joe administration says we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads about that.


Projections are for around 6.2% inflation for 2021 in the USA.  Any raise less than 7% this year is a pay cut.
 
2021-10-28 4:46:30 PM  
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2021-10-28 4:52:17 PM  

dittybopper: FrancoFile: To be replaced by Temp-to-Permanente workers.

Kaiser to Fuerher.


Fewer.
 
2021-10-28 4:59:06 PM  
Years ago when I was at a clients work place they had cut pay for a lot of the cube people, the mass exodus from that place was amazing. It was a big place but each time I went over they lost a chunk of people and seemed surprised by it.
 
2021-10-28 5:03:30 PM  

zimbach: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Oh, there's no profit in American healthcare?  Sounds like it needs to become a utility then.

Kaiser Permanente is, or at least was, a nonprofit organization. They still use a .org domain on their website, not that it means much. Why does it always have to be the workers on the low end who have to bear the cuts? Why can't they sacrifice executive compensation?

The stationary engineers are already striking. There are big posters placed by management in the lobbies about how swell labor relations are. It's all bonkers!


If the union (on the East Coast) were any more in bed with management they'd be shooting a porno.
 
2021-10-28 7:02:18 PM  

runwiz: Kaiser argues that the cuts are needed to remain competitive, saying that its workers are paid up to 37 percent above market levels in some areas.

So once more it's a race to the bottom. I wonder how the pay of their execs compares to others.


35million to Bernard Tyson, according to the article with the current CEO "undisclosed."
 
2021-10-28 7:20:39 PM  

Linux_Yes: When lazy sit at home stock owners taketh then Labor must giveth


Are the lazy sit st home stock holders related to the lazy sit at home sys admins?
 
2021-10-28 7:21:19 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Where's your Kaiser now?[Fark user image image 850x1107]


Dead, permanente
 
2021-10-28 7:22:46 PM  

Fano: Last week a patient asked me what it was like to work at Kaiser Permanente and I burst into tears.

They demand everything, and pretend that it's all just "the unique stresses of the COVID pandemic." They intentionally do not hire new employees. They had a hiring freeze that went on for several years even while departments were falling apart due to attrition. Management must be brought to heel.

And the worst thing is that I have to read this on Fark, and not from my local Union Reps.


That sounds like a reason to light a fire under your reps patooty
 
2021-10-28 7:25:47 PM  

zjoik: Fano: Last week a patient asked me what it was like to work at Kaiser Permanente and I burst into tears.

They demand everything, and pretend that it's all just "the unique stresses of the COVID pandemic." They intentionally do not hire new employees. They had a hiring freeze that went on for several years even while departments were falling apart due to attrition. Management must be brought to heel.

And the worst thing is that I have to read this on Fark, and not from my local Union Reps.

That sounds like a reason to light a fire under your reps patooty


I cut and pasted the link and called them out to everyone in the department, ask why I had to find out this way
 
2021-10-28 8:35:27 PM  
 
2021-10-28 9:49:14 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Where's your Kaiser now?[Fark user image image 850x1107]


He's been dealt with Permanente
 
2021-10-28 10:12:34 PM  
I was under the impression that Kaiser has always been good for people who are healthy or have minor stuff to deal with, but if you get something drastic that they take you out back and shoot you.
 
2021-10-28 10:28:10 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: I was under the impression that Kaiser has always been good for people who are healthy or have minor stuff to deal with, but if you get something drastic that they take you out back and shoot you.


Nah that would be a mercy.  They take you out back, steal your wallet, your shoes, and break an ankle for daring to be sick.

Then bill you for it
 
2021-10-28 10:59:37 PM  

dbirchall: zimbach: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Oh, there's no profit in American healthcare?  Sounds like it needs to become a utility then.

Kaiser Permanente is, or at least was, a nonprofit organization. They still use a .org domain on their website, not that it means much.

Yeah, the way Kaiser does it, there may not be much profit.

Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. is a non-profit, one of the biggest in the country, and its regional subsidiaries are also non-profit.  The regional Permanente Medical Groups are for-profit, but are mainly funded by reimbursements from the non-profit foundation.  And their doctors are salaried, not paid by the procedure.  (So there's less incentive to just sign you up for every possible procedure.)

Stationary engineers?  The boiler operators are on strike?  That's not terribly surprising; folks like that have been union forever.

/sat an exam in the same room at the same time as some SE's, licensed by the same state agency here


The engineers also include all of their Biomedical Engineering staff, you know, the people that maintain all of their medical devices.  Also stuff like boilers, HVAC, oxygen lines, water, and so on are mission critical for hospitals, so the engineers that maintain all of that stuff are equally important.  You want to see a real fire drill, see what happens when an inpatient unit loses oxygen...
 
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