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2021-10-28 8:50:57 AM  
That's a tough one.

On the one hand do we want every show to have a "very special episode" where someone catches covid, thinks they have it, or a friend dies?  Probably not.

On the other hand, watching a show and seeing them take precautions, discuss shots in passing, or wearing masks would be a good thing I think.

Yes it dates the show to this era, but at the same time, shows us more of our world dealing with things.

We watched Episode 1 of the rebooted 'The 4400" this week and it was interesting that all of the guards were wearing masks, and in other instances they were using plex barriers between people for protection.
 
2021-10-28 8:57:49 AM  
Some shows mentioned it for like two episodes then dropped it like it never happened.
"Pandemic? What pandemic?"
 
2021-10-28 8:58:35 AM  
Just like we don't want condoms in our porn we don't want masks in our tv shows.
 
2021-10-28 9:08:20 AM  
Oh you silly hetros with your 'discovery' of infection disease crap.
 
2021-10-28 9:11:53 AM  
The most recent season of "A Million Little Things" started to include the pandemic but then dropped it as a major plot -- except for random things once in a while like showing a kid doing virtual school lessons or a man asking his elderly father to wear a mask.
 
2021-10-28 9:12:58 AM  
How about a Dexter-style show where the main character is a serial killer who only hunts anti vaxxers and people who refuse to mask in public?
 
2021-10-28 9:16:18 AM  
One thing to think about...is that without the AIDs/HIV crisis in the 80's and 90's.
COVID would be a much much worse.
The Rapid PCR tests were developed because of AIDS. And altho HIV is a tricky little supermutating thing...the COVID vaccine for a retrovirus wouldn't be deployed quickly without the basic research and foundation for HIV vaccines. Without HIV.....most of the world's population would be dead.
 
2021-10-28 9:20:57 AM  

Pocket Ninja: How about a Dexter-style show where the main character is a serial killer who only hunts anti vaxxers and people who refuse to mask in public?


Vaxter
 
2021-10-28 9:21:39 AM  

Pocket Ninja: How about a Dexter-style show where the main character is a serial killer who only hunts anti vaxxers and people who refuse to mask in public?


At the end of each episode, after careful and meticulous planning, he ends up finding each of his intended victims already wheezing their last breaths in an ICU bed.
 
2021-10-28 9:43:39 AM  

BizarreMan: That's a tough one.

On the one hand do we want every show to have a "very special episode" where someone catches covid, thinks they have it, or a friend dies?  Probably not.

On the other hand, watching a show and seeing them take precautions, discuss shots in passing, or wearing masks would be a good thing I think.

Yes it dates the show to this era, but at the same time, shows us more of our world dealing with things.

We watched Episode 1 of the rebooted 'The 4400" this week and it was interesting that all of the guards were wearing masks, and in other instances they were using plex barriers between people for protection.


I feel like background or set design is a great way to do incorporate it.  e.g. there's a scene in a coffee shop, have the background actors walking in/in line in masks while the characters sitting at a table act normally.  It's a very real reflection of events but something that isn't distracting for viewership should we ever stop wearing masks in public.
 
2021-10-28 9:45:08 AM  
Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.
 
2021-10-28 9:50:31 AM  

mike_d85: BizarreMan: That's a tough one.

On the one hand do we want every show to have a "very special episode" where someone catches covid, thinks they have it, or a friend dies?  Probably not.

On the other hand, watching a show and seeing them take precautions, discuss shots in passing, or wearing masks would be a good thing I think.

Yes it dates the show to this era, but at the same time, shows us more of our world dealing with things.

We watched Episode 1 of the rebooted 'The 4400" this week and it was interesting that all of the guards were wearing masks, and in other instances they were using plex barriers between people for protection.

I feel like background or set design is a great way to do incorporate it.  e.g. there's a scene in a coffee shop, have the background actors walking in/in line in masks while the characters sitting at a table act normally.  It's a very real reflection of events but something that isn't distracting for viewership should we ever stop wearing masks in public.


Those plex barriers  where common use for decades in the past.
Heck, even 10 years ago at road trip liquor stores and shop/snacks you'd just point to stuff and have it pushed through the bullet proof window like a bank teller.
 
2021-10-28 9:52:55 AM  

optikeye: Those plex barriers  where common use for decades in the past.
Heck, even 10 years ago at road trip liquor stores and shop/snacks you'd just point to stuff and have it pushed through the bullet proof window like a bank teller.


Sure, but that's different than the random piece of floating plexiglass at the cash register like you see at coffee shops and grocery stores now.
 
2021-10-28 9:55:52 AM  
Depends on how realistic you want the show to be, I guess.

If it's The Flash, you'd expect him to fully vaccinate the city in a few hours.
 
2021-10-28 9:56:20 AM  

mike_d85: optikeye: Those plex barriers  where common use for decades in the past.
Heck, even 10 years ago at road trip liquor stores and shop/snacks you'd just point to stuff and have it pushed through the bullet proof window like a bank teller.

Sure, but that's different than the random piece of floating plexiglass at the cash register like you see at coffee shops and grocery stores now.


Wait...we have floating plexiglass technology now? Does it come in coffee table sizes?
 
2021-10-28 10:08:07 AM  
Oh sure. After 9/11 one of the biggest shows to come on TV was '24'. Nonstop movies and shows about terrorism.

The media *could* show the pandemic and show masks and influence the way they have can and should.

Anyone remember that Netflix show last year that had shorts about people living in lockdown? I enjoyed those.
 
2021-10-28 10:08:54 AM  

optikeye: mike_d85: optikeye: Those plex barriers  where common use for decades in the past.
Heck, even 10 years ago at road trip liquor stores and shop/snacks you'd just point to stuff and have it pushed through the bullet proof window like a bank teller.

Sure, but that's different than the random piece of floating plexiglass at the cash register like you see at coffee shops and grocery stores now.

Wait...we have floating plexiglass technology now? Does it come in coffee table sizes?


That actually seems to be the most common size.  It is, unfortunately, perpendicular to the traditional coffee table orientation.
 
2021-10-28 10:23:45 AM  

Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.


Sigh. The way things are going, 50 years from now, they'll be wondering, "how could they not be wearing masks?? I always wear a mask because of the Zeta Mu 27 strain".
 
2021-10-28 10:25:56 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.

Sigh. The way things are going, 50 years from now, they'll be wondering, "how could they not be wearing masks?? I always wear a mask because of the Zeta Mu 27 strain".


I do blame the Government and media for not marketing the sh*t out of public safety and public health. You'd think that would be right up their alley.

This sh*t was out within 2 months of 9/11

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2021-10-28 10:31:12 AM  
Current movies and TV shows should avoid any mention or depictions of COVID!

It's imperative that we do our best to memory-hole, as quickly and thoroughly as possible, this world-wide pandemic and the events of the last two years in general and just let people forget and move on with their lives.

We want to avoid having future generations ask awkward questions about why people in old shows are wearing masks or have to explain to our grandchildren the horrors of "social distancing", "lock downs", "mandatory vaccination" or "who was Donald Trump?".
 
2021-10-28 10:35:21 AM  

Nadie_AZ: This sh*t was out within 2 months of 9/11


You think they wrote, cast, shot and did all the post-production for that in two months?
 
2021-10-28 10:38:40 AM  

optikeye: One thing to think about...is that without the AIDs/HIV crisis in the 80's and 90's.
COVID would be a much much worse.
The Rapid PCR tests were developed because of AIDS. And altho HIV is a tricky little supermutating thing...the COVID vaccine for a retrovirus wouldn't be deployed quickly without the basic research and foundation for HIV vaccines. Without HIV.....most of the world's population would be dead.


I mean, this just flat out isn't true. More people would be dead yes. but most of the world's population? Even at its peak Covid was ripping through older and immuno-compromised populations. Young and healthy people would not have had a greater than 50% death rate, they never even came close to a 5% death rate. Yes, Covid would have been worse, but this is just ridiculous hyperbole to say more than half the world would be dead.
 
2021-10-28 10:46:04 AM  

pschwarz0717: optikeye: One thing to think about...is that without the AIDs/HIV crisis in the 80's and 90's.
COVID would be a much much worse.
The Rapid PCR tests were developed because of AIDS. And altho HIV is a tricky little supermutating thing...the COVID vaccine for a retrovirus wouldn't be deployed quickly without the basic research and foundation for HIV vaccines. Without HIV.....most of the world's population would be dead.

I mean, this just flat out isn't true. More people would be dead yes. but most of the world's population? Even at its peak Covid was ripping through older and immuno-compromised populations. Young and healthy people would not have had a greater than 50% death rate, they never even came close to a 5% death rate. Yes, Covid would have been worse, but this is just ridiculous hyperbole to say more than half the world would be dead.


How far on the OCD/AUTISTIC scale are you for conversational communications?
 
2021-10-28 10:54:42 AM  

optikeye: pschwarz0717: optikeye: One thing to think about...is that without the AIDs/HIV crisis in the 80's and 90's.
COVID would be a much much worse.
The Rapid PCR tests were developed because of AIDS. And altho HIV is a tricky little supermutating thing...the COVID vaccine for a retrovirus wouldn't be deployed quickly without the basic research and foundation for HIV vaccines. Without HIV.....most of the world's population would be dead.

I mean, this just flat out isn't true. More people would be dead yes. but most of the world's population? Even at its peak Covid was ripping through older and immuno-compromised populations. Young and healthy people would not have had a greater than 50% death rate, they never even came close to a 5% death rate. Yes, Covid would have been worse, but this is just ridiculous hyperbole to say more than half the world would be dead.

How far on the OCD/AUTISTIC scale are you for conversational communications?


Says the man who thinks that without AIDS, humanity would go extinct from a virus with a 98% survival rate...
 
2021-10-28 10:56:44 AM  

Mugato: Nadie_AZ: This sh*t was out within 2 months of 9/11

You think they wrote, cast, shot and did all the post-production for that in two months?


Don't be silly.  Just the first few episodes, they can shoot and edit while the episodes air.
 
2021-10-28 11:00:18 AM  

mike_d85: Mugato: Nadie_AZ: This sh*t was out within 2 months of 9/11

You think they wrote, cast, shot and did all the post-production for that in two months?

Don't be silly.  Just the first few episodes, they can shoot and edit while the episodes air.


The premiere was four hours. That's an episode every two weeks. This isn't South Park, I kind of think it was developed before 9/11.
 
2021-10-28 11:17:37 AM  

Mugato: mike_d85: Mugato: Nadie_AZ: This sh*t was out within 2 months of 9/11

You think they wrote, cast, shot and did all the post-production for that in two months?

Don't be silly.  Just the first few episodes, they can shoot and edit while the episodes air.

The premiere was four hours. That's an episode every two weeks. This isn't South Park, I kind of think it was developed before 9/11.


Oh, South Park was on YEARS before 9/11.
 
2021-10-28 11:34:08 AM  
Yes. I've been hoping that the big three networks would do some sort of special showing the true horror of someone dying of Covid-19 (i.e., going through all seven stages) to drop a truth bomb on anti-vaccine idiots, but now it might be good to have them just write it into episodes of popular shows.

The networks' silence helps anti-vaccers pretend it's not a big deal.
 
2021-10-28 11:41:07 AM  

Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.


Japan and Korea wear masks more than any other country, per capita pre-Covid (and I think Hong Kong). You only ever see errant extras or normal pedestrians wearing masks in movies or t.v. shows.

If COVID ever gets under control (for everywhere but the U.S.), I highly doubt 50 years from now you would see more than 1/10th of a population wearing a mask for day-to-day activities, unless you think another respiratory pandemic comes around again or air pollution.
 
2021-10-28 11:43:57 AM  

optikeye: One thing to think about...is that without the AIDs/HIV crisis in the 80's and 90's.
COVID would be a much much worse.
The Rapid PCR tests were developed because of AIDS. And altho HIV is a tricky little supermutating thing...the COVID vaccine for a retrovirus wouldn't be deployed quickly without the basic research and foundation for HIV vaccines. Without HIV.....most of the world's population would be dead.


The LGBTQ community has been supersensitive to health issues since the AIDS crisis, so it was a big bonus that, when the Delta variant hit Provincetown, they were able to track and analyze it quickly.
 
2021-10-28 12:04:11 PM  

pschwarz0717: optikeye: pschwarz0717: optikeye: One thing to think about...is that without the AIDs/HIV crisis in the 80's and 90's.
COVID would be a much much worse.
The Rapid PCR tests were developed because of AIDS. And altho HIV is a tricky little supermutating thing...the COVID vaccine for a retrovirus wouldn't be deployed quickly without the basic research and foundation for HIV vaccines. Without HIV.....most of the world's population would be dead.

I mean, this just flat out isn't true. More people would be dead yes. but most of the world's population? Even at its peak Covid was ripping through older and immuno-compromised populations. Young and healthy people would not have had a greater than 50% death rate, they never even came close to a 5% death rate. Yes, Covid would have been worse, but this is just ridiculous hyperbole to say more than half the world would be dead.

How far on the OCD/AUTISTIC scale are you for conversational communications?

Says the man who thinks that without AIDS, humanity would go extinct from a virus with a 98% survival rate...


I take it that you're not getting vaccinated against COVID...because the vaccine could be far more dangerous to you than the vaccine. Because the infection has a 98....oh fark it. just fark off and drink bleach and die.
 
2021-10-28 12:08:46 PM  

mike_d85: Mugato: mike_d85: Mugato: Nadie_AZ: This sh*t was out within 2 months of 9/11

You think they wrote, cast, shot and did all the post-production for that in two months?

Don't be silly.  Just the first few episodes, they can shoot and edit while the episodes air.

The premiere was four hours. That's an episode every two weeks. This isn't South Park, I kind of think it was developed before 9/11.

Oh, South Park was on YEARS before 9/11.


I meant they do every episode of South Park in a week each.  Never mind.
 
2021-10-28 12:16:30 PM  
COVID would make it super easy to write out any character in a show. Contract dispute? You don't want your character to suddenly become a COVD casualty do you?

"Where's Jim?"
"ICU. Got the 'ronas"
"Guess he shoulda worn that mask"
"Yup. Too bad we can't visit"
"Yeah, can't even call. He got intubated this morning"
 
2021-10-28 12:27:03 PM  
I find it really odd that most farkers. Can only relate to the outside world through fiction/TV Episodes etc.
Like my grand father only seeing thing through Archie Bunker in the early 70's. Be he did that in his 80s

Geeze save something for old age. So you can say at the nursing home......
"Well this reminds me of the time on Cowboy Bebop..."  Instead of blowing that wad in your 30's when it's just kinda sad....
 
2021-10-28 12:44:51 PM  

Walker: Some shows mentioned it for like two episodes then dropped it like it never happened.
"Pandemic? What pandemic?"


Kinda like how it snows in every TV show starting Dec. 5 then it's clear and sunny by Dec. 27.
 
2021-10-28 1:03:16 PM  

sniderman: Walker: Some shows mentioned it for like two episodes then dropped it like it never happened.
"Pandemic? What pandemic?"

Kinda like how it snows in every TV show starting Dec. 5 then it's clear and sunny by Dec. 27.


That's not true.  December 5th - December 27th: magical winter wonderland snow falling gently outside the window.  January 6th - January 30th: blizzard as a plot device.
 
2021-10-28 1:25:21 PM  
The final season of Shameless didn't hesitate to take place during the pandemic.
 
2021-10-28 1:25:48 PM  

Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.


Already I've seen people posting shiat like that unironically.
"I can't believe seeing this mass gathering in this show set in 1983!"
 
2021-10-28 1:32:47 PM  

Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.


If you think mask wearing is going to be super common even five years from now, you'd be wrong (assuming Covid burns out or otherwise "goes away").
 
2021-10-28 1:34:47 PM  

optikeye: pschwarz0717: optikeye: pschwarz0717: optikeye: One thing to think about...is that without the AIDs/HIV crisis in the 80's and 90's.
COVID would be a much much worse.
The Rapid PCR tests were developed because of AIDS. And altho HIV is a tricky little supermutating thing...the COVID vaccine for a retrovirus wouldn't be deployed quickly without the basic research and foundation for HIV vaccines. Without HIV.....most of the world's population would be dead.

I mean, this just flat out isn't true. More people would be dead yes. but most of the world's population? Even at its peak Covid was ripping through older and immuno-compromised populations. Young and healthy people would not have had a greater than 50% death rate, they never even came close to a 5% death rate. Yes, Covid would have been worse, but this is just ridiculous hyperbole to say more than half the world would be dead.

How far on the OCD/AUTISTIC scale are you for conversational communications?

Says the man who thinks that without AIDS, humanity would go extinct from a virus with a 98% survival rate...

I take it that you're not getting vaccinated against COVID...because the vaccine could be far more dangerous to you than the vaccine. Because the infection has a 98....oh fark it. just fark off and drink bleach and die.


I got vaccinated in May, but thank you for the well wishes. All I'm saying is, this exaggeration of the whole world would die with AIDs is insanity. Covid is bad, but it isn't remotely close to humanity ending.
 
2021-10-28 1:43:47 PM  

Geotpf: If you think mask wearing is going to be super common even five years from now, you'd be wrong (assuming Covid burns out or otherwise "goes away").


I gotta say: it's tempting. I have not had a cold in almost two years.
 
2021-10-28 1:52:22 PM  

Current Resident: The final season of Shameless didn't hesitate to take place during the pandemic.


Because they have no shame.
 
2021-10-28 2:07:35 PM  

mike_d85: BizarreMan: That's a tough one.

On the one hand do we want every show to have a "very special episode" where someone catches covid, thinks they have it, or a friend dies?  Probably not.

On the other hand, watching a show and seeing them take precautions, discuss shots in passing, or wearing masks would be a good thing I think.

Yes it dates the show to this era, but at the same time, shows us more of our world dealing with things.

We watched Episode 1 of the rebooted 'The 4400" this week and it was interesting that all of the guards were wearing masks, and in other instances they were using plex barriers between people for protection.

I feel like background or set design is a great way to do incorporate it.  e.g. there's a scene in a coffee shop, have the background actors walking in/in line in masks while the characters sitting at a table act normally.  It's a very real reflection of events but something that isn't distracting for viewership should we ever stop wearing masks in public.


I generally say it should be more or less ignored. Putting a mask on a main actor severely harms the quality of the acting. Not being able to see the face makes it hard to bring out emotions. And if the background people have them and mcs don't then the main characters look like assholes.

Add in the fact that most writers do a shiat job of dealing with contemporary real time events without coming off as forced/preachy/just poor writing. And you can't really separate the masks from politics. Should the asshole antagonist be antimask? Should they get him a red hat? Etc.. entertainment is an escape it's not supposed to be too real or it loses it's purpose.

The exception to this would be medical dramas. The storyline of staff dealing with the pandemic obviously feels less forced and more organic. I think it's appropriate to write it in to those shows.
 
2021-10-28 2:39:08 PM  

Pocket Ninja: How about a Dexter-style show where the main character is a serial killer who only hunts anti vaxxers and people who refuse to mask in public?


And the plot twist at the end of Season One is that the killer has a break-through case of COVID because of their close contact with the anti-vaxx victims, but as soon as he develops symptoms he self-quarantines and gets tested.

Season Two begins with someone at a lab figuring out through his DNA that he's the anti-anti-vaxxer (AAV) killer, but when the FBI is notified, rather than go after him to charge him, they accidently "lose" the file.
 
2021-10-28 2:53:10 PM  

willwall: mike_d85: BizarreMan: That's a tough one.

On the one hand do we want every show to have a "very special episode" where someone catches covid, thinks they have it, or a friend dies?  Probably not.

On the other hand, watching a show and seeing them take precautions, discuss shots in passing, or wearing masks would be a good thing I think.

Yes it dates the show to this era, but at the same time, shows us more of our world dealing with things.

We watched Episode 1 of the rebooted 'The 4400" this week and it was interesting that all of the guards were wearing masks, and in other instances they were using plex barriers between people for protection.

I feel like background or set design is a great way to do incorporate it.  e.g. there's a scene in a coffee shop, have the background actors walking in/in line in masks while the characters sitting at a table act normally.  It's a very real reflection of events but something that isn't distracting for viewership should we ever stop wearing masks in public.

I generally say it should be more or less ignored. Putting a mask on a main actor severely harms the quality of the acting. Not being able to see the face makes it hard to bring out emotions. And if the background people have them and mcs don't then the main characters look like assholes.

Add in the fact that most writers do a shiat job of dealing with contemporary real time events without coming off as forced/preachy/just poor writing. And you can't really separate the masks from politics. Should the asshole antagonist be antimask? Should they get him a red hat? Etc.. entertainment is an escape it's not supposed to be too real or it loses it's purpose.

The exception to this would be medical dramas. The storyline of staff dealing with the pandemic obviously feels less forced and more organic. I think it's appropriate to write it in to those shows.


I specifically said to put them on background actors so you aren't interfering with the main performance, and sure you can have the main characters not wear masks without them looking like assholes.  Sitting at a table and eating your food masks are not required.  The main cast is in their bubble (that would actually explain the phenomenon of there being so many background actors with so little social overlap).  Seat them outside and see background actors indoors wearing masks or putting masks on as they walk in the door.
 
2021-10-28 3:26:25 PM  

Geotpf: Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.

If you think mask wearing is going to be super common even five years from now, you'd be wrong (assuming Covid burns out or otherwise "goes away").


No, more like "this was made in 2020. wasn't there a pandemic then?  Mom and Dad and the grandparents said everybody was wearing masks (well, anybody who was anybody), but none of these actors reflect that..."  I, too, am hoping that wearing masks will be unnecessary soonish.
 
2021-10-28 3:33:53 PM  

Billy Liar: Geotpf: Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.

If you think mask wearing is going to be super common even five years from now, you'd be wrong (assuming Covid burns out or otherwise "goes away").

No, more like "this was made in 2020. wasn't there a pandemic then?  Mom and Dad and the grandparents said everybody was wearing masks (well, anybody who was anybody), but none of these actors reflect that..."  I, too, am hoping that wearing masks will be unnecessary soonish.


"Well, Timmy, movies aren't real and often skip parts of life that aren't relevant to the story because it just brings needless complications."
 
2021-10-28 3:34:02 PM  
I can see it working in a sitcoms.  South Park did a pandemic episode.  I could see others doing an episode or two of what characters were doing during the absurdities of the last couple years.
 
2021-10-28 3:46:51 PM  
One of the last episodes of Bosch had reference to old folks dying in the Seattle area when Maddie was watching the news
 
2021-10-28 3:50:53 PM  

DerAppie: Billy Liar: Geotpf: Billy Liar: Fifty years from now, they'll be watching reruns and won't be able to understand why so many people weren't wearing masks.

If you think mask wearing is going to be super common even five years from now, you'd be wrong (assuming Covid burns out or otherwise "goes away").

No, more like "this was made in 2020. wasn't there a pandemic then?  Mom and Dad and the grandparents said everybody was wearing masks (well, anybody who was anybody), but none of these actors reflect that..."  I, too, am hoping that wearing masks will be unnecessary soonish.

"Well, Timmy, movies aren't real and often skip parts of life that aren't relevant to the story because it just brings needless complications."


Plus, very little scripted TV (or movies) was made in 2020 (as opposed to 2021).  And already, mask wearing is uncommon in many parts of the country.
 
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