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(Seattle Times)   In order to retain workers, Starbucks tries something radical: Paying more   (seattletimes.com) divider line
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2021-10-28 9:20:17 AM  
Just learn to spell and say my name correctly.  It's Mister du-moss
 
2021-10-28 9:21:30 AM  
But Long John Silvers volunteer program has been successful
 
2021-10-28 9:34:33 AM  
I still don't need a handjob.
 
2021-10-28 9:49:43 AM  
Screw these pansies.  I only drink Black Rifle Coffee from my Black Rifle mug while wearing my Black Rifle hat and my Black Rifle shirt.  Take that, Starbucks!
 
2021-10-28 10:03:19 AM  
We should make the Starbucks ceo the next president for this great idea!

...oh wait...
 
2021-10-28 10:24:08 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Screw these pansies.  I only drink Black Rifle Coffee from my Black Rifle mug while wearing my Black Rifle hat and my Black Rifle shirt.  Take that, Starbucks!


I've ordered black coffee from Starbucks. It really throws them.

I think they're used to this sort of thing:
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2021-10-28 10:36:39 AM  

akya: Rapmaster2000: Screw these pansies.  I only drink Black Rifle Coffee from my Black Rifle mug while wearing my Black Rifle hat and my Black Rifle shirt.  Take that, Starbucks!

I've ordered black coffee from Starbucks. It really throws them.


I bet they have to call for the manager.
 
2021-10-28 10:37:41 AM  
it really sucks that starbucks saw all those wacky drinks going viral and their response was "awesome! our customers are so creative!" I guess because after you add all that shiat up the drink costs $17
 
2021-10-28 10:40:33 AM  
Stock owners in tears
 
2021-10-28 10:40:55 AM  
The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?
 
2021-10-28 10:48:06 AM  

Mr_Vimes: akya: Rapmaster2000: Screw these pansies.  I only drink Black Rifle Coffee from my Black Rifle mug while wearing my Black Rifle hat and my Black Rifle shirt.  Take that, Starbucks!

I've ordered black coffee from Starbucks. It really throws them.

I bet they have to call for the manager.


That happened to me once when I tried to pay them with a $2 bill.
 
2021-10-28 11:03:55 AM  

NephilimNexus: The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?



Because it doesn't always work that way.

Amazon basically gutted the benefits of warehouse work, which as recently as the early 00's was considered solid blue-collar work.  They became insanely wealthy by doing so.
 
2021-10-28 11:11:49 AM  

NephilimNexus: The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?


You can squeeze a lot of money for your stock options out of workers before things start to go south. Especially if people think you are the only game in town, and other jobs are just as bad. Also, some jobs don't take a lot of training, so turnover doesn't hit them as hard.
 
2021-10-28 11:38:27 AM  
I've been seeing a number of fast food joints in Atlanta with huge banner signers advertising "jobs starting at $12/hour."

I just can't see anyone being enticed by that, especially with super markets offering $15 (I mean, wouldn't everyone prefer stocking shelves instead of working a deep fryer?).
 
2021-10-28 12:17:07 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Mr_Vimes: akya: Rapmaster2000: Screw these pansies.  I only drink Black Rifle Coffee from my Black Rifle mug while wearing my Black Rifle hat and my Black Rifle shirt.  Take that, Starbucks!

I've ordered black coffee from Starbucks. It really throws them.

I bet they have to call for the manager.

That happened to me once when I tried to pay them with a $2 bill.


"Just look at Wikipedia, I assure you it's legal tender."
 
2021-10-28 1:12:21 PM  

NephilimNexus: The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?


Bec they are only focused on keeping their whiney sit at home stock owners fed.

Try explaining to a 10 year old why he needs to brush his teeth after gorging on sugar cookies
 
2021-10-28 1:13:56 PM  

akya: Rapmaster2000: Screw these pansies.  I only drink Black Rifle Coffee from my Black Rifle mug while wearing my Black Rifle hat and my Black Rifle shirt.  Take that, Starbucks!

I've ordered black coffee from Starbucks. It really throws them.

I think they're used to this sort of thing:
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Bec sugar is half the addiction

The other half is caffeine
 
2021-10-28 1:16:06 PM  

v2micca: NephilimNexus: The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?


Because it doesn't always work that way.

Amazon basically gutted the benefits of warehouse work, which as recently as the early 00's was considered solid blue-collar work.  They became insanely wealthy by doing so.


Their stock owners took that free money and ran with it.
 
2021-10-28 1:16:45 PM  

NephilimNexus: The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?


Pay peanuts

Get monkeys
 
2021-10-28 1:47:06 PM  
Hasn't Starbucks always had competitive if not slightly above-market compensation? What's new this time?
 
2021-10-28 2:08:58 PM  

thornhill: I've been seeing a number of fast food joints in Atlanta with huge banner signers advertising "jobs starting at $12/hour."

I just can't see anyone being enticed by that, especially with super markets offering $15 (I mean, wouldn't everyone prefer stocking shelves instead of working a deep fryer?).


metro atlanta checking in here...

this was in the ritzy north fulton area
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2021-10-28 2:32:09 PM  

v2micca: NephilimNexus: The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?


Because it doesn't always work that way.

Amazon basically gutted the benefits of warehouse work, which as recently as the early 00's was considered solid blue-collar work.  They became insanely wealthy by doing so.


No, the statement is still true. Corporations got around this by lowering the floor rather than raising the ceiling. If you cut away at wages and benefits the right way, you can lower industry standards and become the highest-paying employer without actually paying your employees more.
 
2021-10-28 2:44:20 PM  

Hyjamon: thornhill: I've been seeing a number of fast food joints in Atlanta with huge banner signers advertising "jobs starting at $12/hour."

I just can't see anyone being enticed by that, especially with super markets offering $15 (I mean, wouldn't everyone prefer stocking shelves instead of working a deep fryer?).

metro atlanta checking in here...

this was in the ritzy north fulton area
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Wow, they really don't want anyone who isn't desperate working there.
 
2021-10-28 4:24:30 PM  

NephilimNexus: The company that pays the best gets first pick on the best workers.

The company that has the best workers makes the most money and stomps out the competition.

Therefore, the company that pays workers the best will be the most successful company.

Why is it so hard for American businesses to grasp this?


Honestly I feel that businesses think that there is only a binary option of 'can do the job' or 'can't do the job.' There is no such thing as doing the job well, because everyone should do the job well ergo, it's the norm.

Same reason raises shouldn't exist. You were willing to work for what we offered you, why should we give you more? It's not like people do better over time because you should have been giving 110% from day one and why would we reward you for just doing your job?

The problem mostly stems from upper management having high levels of sociopathic traits and don't see workers as anything but replaceable cogs. I suggest proper application of guillotines on a regular basis.
 
2021-10-28 4:25:43 PM  

Hyjamon: thornhill: I've been seeing a number of fast food joints in Atlanta with huge banner signers advertising "jobs starting at $12/hour."

I just can't see anyone being enticed by that, especially with super markets offering $15 (I mean, wouldn't everyone prefer stocking shelves instead of working a deep fryer?).

metro atlanta checking in here...

this was in the ritzy north fulton area
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Starbucks needs to up it a bit more to keep up with McDonalds in east King County.  Or any fast food for that matter.
 
2021-10-28 5:13:16 PM  
To be honest, I could live easily on 24K/year if it were a full time job with social security contributions and basic health insurance.

How about dropping the part time hourly model and offering real jobs?
 
2021-10-28 6:24:20 PM  

Arkanaut: Hasn't Starbucks always had competitive if not slightly above-market compensation? What's new this time?


My understanding is that Starbucks, in addition to paying fairly well, offers medical, educational, and other bennies. Maybe those programs have expired or changed, as that was well over 20+ years ago.
 
2021-10-29 8:05:13 AM  

KB202: How about dropping the part time hourly model and offering real jobs?


Sadly, this was an unintended consequence of the ACA/Obamacare.

The bill made it mandatory for employers to offer health insurance to all full time employees.  Part time employees were exempt.

So naturally every American business immediately began replacing all their 40 hour a week positions with pairs of 20 hour a week positions in order to avoid having to offer medical insurance to anyone.
 
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