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(Deadline)   Native American groups refute the MLB's claims they're fine with the existence of the Atlanta Braves name and so-called "tomahawk chop" as both are steeped in racism   (deadline.com) divider line
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2021-10-28 10:35:42 AM  
KC Chiefs still nowhere to be found.

/ "Chief" was H. Roe Bartle's nickname, iirc - but that doesn't make it right
 
2021-10-28 10:43:43 AM  
People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.
 
2021-10-28 10:55:13 AM  
Meanwhile, as I was watching Game 1, it seems like the Asterisks we're playing the sound of a trash can being hit over their PA.  I mean, even New England wasn't that blatant in embracing their cheating.  That, to me, is just as offensive, meaning the Series should be played at neutral sites devoid of fans.
 
2021-10-28 11:01:54 AM  

edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.


Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.
 
2021-10-28 11:02:48 AM  

bluorangefyre: Meanwhile, as I was watching Game 1, it seems like the Asterisks we're playing the sound of a trash can being hit over their PA.  I mean, even New England wasn't that blatant in embracing their cheating.  That, to me, is just as offensive, meaning the Series should be played at neutral sites devoid of fans.


You $eem to be mi$$ing the point of the$e game$.
 
2021-10-28 11:14:24 AM  

Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.


I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.
 
2021-10-28 11:18:44 AM  
Like the Redskins and the Indians, this will be a thing that is totally no big deal until the facade collapses seemingly overnight.  People will insist it's no big deal and so will the team, and then just like that it will be gone and no one will say peep.  There's no more Chief Noc-A-Homa and people still go to the games just fine.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Chief_No​c-A-Homa

Did people not get worked up by talk radio into cancel culture outrage in 1985 like they do now for Aunt Jemimah bottles?

It's not even like it's a rich tradition.  It came over with Deion from FSU in 1991.
 
2021-10-28 11:20:48 AM  

deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.


Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"
 
2021-10-28 11:26:12 AM  
I thought we all agreed long ago that the "tomahawk chop" was a non-starter.
 
2021-10-28 11:26:32 AM  

Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"


When the Commissioner pulled the All Star Game b/c of the voting law, the team ownership doubled down on the right hand side. Nevermind any of that, they farking held a "public meeting" during Thanksgiving when they were discussing tax money for their new stadium.
 
2021-10-28 11:33:29 AM  
I mean, when your GM is banned from baseball for life due to organizational ties to human trafficking after they were caught having organizational ties to human trafficking and told to stop, you have to believe the Braves' organization isn't worried about offending other humans.
 
2021-10-28 11:44:31 AM  
was talking about this the other day with my dad, 4/4s Native American (and, because math is hard, making me 1/2).  he said "i thought MLB, or the Braves, banned teh chop?"

"Dad, they just said they did, so when people do it, MLB/the Braves can tsk-tsk-tsk and fingerwag the fanbase and say, 'hey, we told them not to do it, whaddya want?'  Do you really think venue security is going to escort 39,000 people out of the stadium?

if MLB was serious, they'd take a play from FIFA - no saints themselves - and have the Braves play in an empty stadium.  There is precedent;  remember around 2013 or so when Baltimore was on fire with racial tension, and MLB had the O's play in an empty stadium?
 
2021-10-28 11:47:23 AM  

deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.


But if you ignore that implied qualifier and insist that the comment should be taken as literally the (fairly small) city limits of Atlanta not the Atlanta region or the Atlanta sports fan base, then you can make pointless comments like this.

What "the blackest city in America" looks like (based on GIS of "atlanta braves stadium gameday"):
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2021-10-28 11:53:11 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: I mean, when your GM is banned from baseball for life due to organizational ties to human trafficking after they were caught having organizational ties to human trafficking and told to stop, you have to believe the Braves' organization isn't worried about offending other humans.


The Braves did more to clean up their organization than the Astros ever have.
 
2021-10-28 11:53:52 AM  

rickythepenguin: remember around 2013 or so when Baltimore was on fire with racial tension, and MLB had the O's play in an empty stadium?


How could they tell the difference?
 
2021-10-28 11:55:38 AM  

Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"


I love how you're "everyone'ing" everyone on Fark is everyone'ing everyone in the south.

I get your point, but Fark is not Borg.
 
2021-10-28 11:59:15 AM  
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UNC_Samurai:
rickythepenguin: remember around 2013 or so when Baltimore was on fire with racial tension, and MLB had the O's play in an empty stadium?

How could they tell the difference?
 
2021-10-28 12:04:16 PM  

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UNC_Samurai: rickythepenguin: remember around 2013 or so when Baltimore was on fire with racial tension, and MLB had the O's play in an empty stadium?

How could they tell the difference?


It wasn't full of visiting fans from Boston during the Boston games.
 
2021-10-28 12:10:03 PM  

Demetrius: bluorangefyre: Meanwhile, as I was watching Game 1, it seems like the Asterisks we're playing the sound of a trash can being hit over their PA.  I mean, even New England wasn't that blatant in embracing their cheating.  That, to me, is just as offensive, meaning the Series should be played at neutral sites devoid of fans.

You $eem to be mi$$ing the point of the$e game$.


And your s key is broken.  Use some of those $s to get a new keyboard.
 
2021-10-28 12:12:28 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Nana's Vibrator: I mean, when your GM is banned from baseball for life due to organizational ties to human trafficking after they were caught having organizational ties to human trafficking and told to stop, you have to believe the Braves' organization isn't worried about offending other humans.

The Braves did more to clean up their organization than the Astros ever have.


Uhhh... you have a scale issue.

Let me ask you this.  You have a camera lined up at the catcher and you capture the sign.  Now you have 2 choices only:
Bang a trash can to tell the batter what pitch is coming (Astros did this) or... or you could knowingly hand money to people who kidnap young girls and sell them into sex trade slavery after the US DOJ and MLB told you not to do it (Braves did this)

Now both things happened at roughly the same time, so the choice is pretty clear and obvious.
 
2021-10-28 12:13:51 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I mean, when your GM is banned from baseball for life due to organizational ties to human trafficking after they were caught having organizational ties to human trafficking and told to stop, you have to believe the Braves' organization isn't worried about offending other humans.


I've been told repeatedly that since they got caught and punished, it's as if they never even trafficked any humans, because trafficking some humans means there's no possible way they trafficked any other humans.

Meanwhile, Acuna and Albies both signed unbelievably cheap contracts. There's no possible way any under-the-table money was involved at any point.
 
2021-10-28 12:15:57 PM  

ElFugawz: But if you ignore that implied qualifier and insist that the comment should be taken as literally the (fairly small) city limits of Atlanta not the Atlanta region or the Atlanta sports fan base, then you can make pointless comments like this.

What "the blackest city in America" looks like (based on GIS of "atlanta braves stadium gameday"):


To be specific, that's the Braves fan base.  To establish my credentials, I've been to roughly 50 Braves games, 4 Falcons games, 7 or 8 Hawks games, 5 or 6 Thrashers games, and 1 ATL United game.

The Falcons and Hawks fan base are significantly black.  I would even posit that it's 50%.  The Braves are very white and suburban.  Conversely, the Atlanta United fan base is very white and urban (and much younger).

The Thrashers fan base, for what it was, was overwhelmingly composed of fans of other teams who relocated to Atlanta.  I never sought out Thrashers tickets.  It was my friend from Pittsburgh or Buffalo (and a guy at work from Montreal) who wanted to get tickets and go to a game and I said "Why not.  I like games."
 
2021-10-28 12:17:39 PM  

Dafatone: Nana's Vibrator: I mean, when your GM is banned from baseball for life due to organizational ties to human trafficking after they were caught having organizational ties to human trafficking and told to stop, you have to believe the Braves' organization isn't worried about offending other humans.

I've been told repeatedly that since they got caught and punished, it's as if they never even trafficked any humans, because trafficking some humans means there's no possible way they trafficked any other humans.

Meanwhile, Acuna and Albies both signed unbelievably cheap contracts. There's no possible way any under-the-table money was involved at any point.


Yeah but trash cans are loud
 
2021-10-28 12:18:01 PM  
is Trump too cool to do the chop or is he gonna do it when he goes because it will own the libs
 
2021-10-28 12:26:52 PM  

ElwoodCuse: is Trump too cool to do the chop or is he gonna do it when he goes because it will own the libs


He will do it, but terribly awkwardly and it will make him look like a total idiot but his minions will eat it up.
 
2021-10-28 12:27:38 PM  
Sounds like the Cherokee are getting paid and, as a result, ok with everything. But the other tribes that aren't getting paid seem to have a problem. Funny how that works...
 
2021-10-28 12:29:33 PM  

iamskibibitz: Sounds like the Cherokee are getting paid and, as a result, ok with everything. But the other tribes that aren't getting paid seem to have a problem. Funny how that works...


They say they appreciate the relationship and look forward to working with the Braves on cultural respect.

They do not say they're okay with everything.
 
2021-10-28 12:30:12 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"


Well it wasn't some other team that had their All Star Game pulled because the state's admiration of Jim Crow style voting laws
 
2021-10-28 12:42:08 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"

I love how you're "everyone'ing" everyone on Fark is everyone'ing everyone in the south.

I get your point, but Fark is not Borg.


So, what I'm reading is, resistance isn't futile.
 
2021-10-28 12:49:39 PM  

bhcompy: Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"

Well it wasn't some other team that had their All Star Game pulled because the state's admiration of Jim Crow style voting laws


The Jim Crow style voting law was enacted against Atlanta.
 
2021-10-28 12:50:28 PM  

rickythepenguin: was talking about this the other day with my dad, 4/4s Native American (and, because math is hard, making me 1/2).  he said "i thought MLB, or the Braves, banned teh chop?"

"Dad, they just said they did, so when people do it, MLB/the Braves can tsk-tsk-tsk and fingerwag the fanbase and say, 'hey, we told them not to do it, whaddya want?'  Do you really think venue security is going to escort 39,000 people out of the stadium?

if MLB was serious, they'd take a play from FIFA - no saints themselves - and have the Braves play in an empty stadium.  There is precedent;  remember around 2013 or so when Baltimore was on fire with racial tension, and MLB had the O's play in an empty stadium?


a) 2015
b) Because the police killed Freddie Grey
c) It wasn't a case of punishing the fans and team for being bad. It was a case of how do we avoid having to make up three games against a non-division opponent in a safe way. Playing in the day and to no fans seemed best.
d) If a team's fans do act like Braves fans, empty games as punishment is absolutely warranted.
 
2021-10-28 1:08:25 PM  

Rapmaster2000: ElFugawz: But if you ignore that implied qualifier and insist that the comment should be taken as literally the (fairly small) city limits of Atlanta not the Atlanta region or the Atlanta sports fan base, then you can make pointless comments like this.

What "the blackest city in America" looks like (based on GIS of "atlanta braves stadium gameday"):

To be specific, that's the Braves fan base.  To establish my credentials, I've been to roughly 50 Braves games, 4 Falcons games, 7 or 8 Hawks games, 5 or 6 Thrashers games, and 1 ATL United game.

The Falcons and Hawks fan base are significantly black.  I would even posit that it's 50%.  The Braves are very white and suburban.  Conversely, the Atlanta United fan base is very white and urban (and much younger).

The Thrashers fan base, for what it was, was overwhelmingly composed of fans of other teams who relocated to Atlanta.  I never sought out Thrashers tickets.  It was my friend from Pittsburgh or Buffalo (and a guy at work from Montreal) who wanted to get tickets and go to a game and I said "Why not.  I like games."


Rookie numbers. Gotta pump those up.

I disagree with the "very" modifier regarding the United crowd. Sure, it's still majority white, but it's a lot closer to the state's demographic split than the above Braves pic. And the club is definitely pumping money into the city, with programs like Soccer in the Streets. I wish I lived closer to the city to take advantage of some of it.

Growing The StationSoccer Project
Youtube AV_mw5k09Xw
 
2021-10-28 1:11:43 PM  

Where wolf: Rapmaster2000: ElFugawz: But if you ignore that implied qualifier and insist that the comment should be taken as literally the (fairly small) city limits of Atlanta not the Atlanta region or the Atlanta sports fan base, then you can make pointless comments like this.

What "the blackest city in America" looks like (based on GIS of "atlanta braves stadium gameday"):

To be specific, that's the Braves fan base.  To establish my credentials, I've been to roughly 50 Braves games, 4 Falcons games, 7 or 8 Hawks games, 5 or 6 Thrashers games, and 1 ATL United game.

The Falcons and Hawks fan base are significantly black.  I would even posit that it's 50%.  The Braves are very white and suburban.  Conversely, the Atlanta United fan base is very white and urban (and much younger).

The Thrashers fan base, for what it was, was overwhelmingly composed of fans of other teams who relocated to Atlanta.  I never sought out Thrashers tickets.  It was my friend from Pittsburgh or Buffalo (and a guy at work from Montreal) who wanted to get tickets and go to a game and I said "Why not.  I like games."

Rookie numbers. Gotta pump those up.

I disagree with the "very" modifier regarding the United crowd. Sure, it's still majority white, but it's a lot closer to the state's demographic split than the above Braves pic. And the club is definitely pumping money into the city, with programs like Soccer in the Streets. I wish I lived closer to the city to take advantage of some of it.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/AV_mw5k0​9Xw]


True.  I could stand to get out more.  This pandemic is slowing down my game attendance.
 
2021-10-28 1:21:09 PM  

Cafe Threads: KC Chiefs still nowhere to be found.

/ "Chief" was H. Roe Bartle's nickname, iirc - but that doesn't make it right


Chief is a racial slur in my family. My grandfather's family is mostly Native American, but they weren't allowed to be a part of their tribe. His mother was ashamed. He used to be called chief, and my aunt used to be called squaw. My mom's brother get really offended when he is called chief at for that reason. He works at a casino.

The Chiefs can keep their name if they got rid of the Native American iconography, and replace with Chief O'Brien.

CSB Time. I had a friend tell me the a Chieftain was ok with Washington using the work Redskins for the team. I asked him which one, and how there a many tribal leaders that are against it. I also said it was a racial slur in my family. He got really farking annoyed with him. People are farking stupid.
 
2021-10-28 1:37:21 PM  
I recognize this is too boring for the social media & traditional media channels that want to turn this into a debate, but the issue is there's no one singular, representative voice for "native Americans," nor will there be.

It's entirely possible one group could say, "Sure, we're fine with it," while another says, "No, we're not." Which is essentially what's going on here. The Cherokee are fine with it, this national organization is not. Who is the "authority" on the matter seems up for discussion.

It's also worth noting the article talked about a "partnership" between the baseball team and Cherokee, which could mean a number of things, including a financial relationship that could influence their feelings, ahem. Maybe the national organization truly isn't fine with it, or even is expressing the real feelings of the Cherokee outside of the financial relationship. Or maybe the national org wants a cut. I have no idea, nor am I hazarding to guess, as it's all just speculation.

I don't think we have the data from what we know-know-know to do anything other than just have our own feelings about it and not have a full understanding.

Personally, I'd like to see them change the name, but I'd also like to somehow magically undo their 1965 move to Atlanta, and I have no power over either. The best I'm going to be able to do in that regard, for the sake of the two generations of Milwaukeeans that came before me, is give Bill Bartholomew's grave the Art Modell treatment if I ever come across it.
 
2021-10-28 1:40:43 PM  
Does anyone know why the Braves had Travis Tritt singing the national anthem at the NLCS last week? It seemed so random and weird. I'm guessing there's some stigginit going on somewhere along the line.
 
2021-10-28 1:44:35 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Does anyone know why the Braves had Travis Tritt singing the national anthem at the NLCS last week? It seemed so random and weird. I'm guessing there's some stigginit going on somewhere along the line.


The Braves lean really, really hard into the country thing.  The 7th inning stretch for years was "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" with girls dancing in cowboy boots.  They play Alan Jackson's "Chattahoochee" with rural imagery of mountains and lakes and whatnot on the jumbotron.  They were just going to the well for Travis.
 
2021-10-28 1:45:58 PM  

demonfaerie: Chief is a racial slur in my family


Someone once told me that "chief" was Boston slang for "dickhead".  "Get a load of this chief over here."

I have no idea if this is true.
 
2021-10-28 1:47:21 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"


Good point. Not everyone in a ReD sTaTe continually votes for the worst pieces of human excrement to not just lead their state but also drag the collective nation backwards in every way. We should give the benefit of the doubt to states that keep foisting pieces of shiat like DeSantis and Abbot on us because heaven forbid we offend the rare few people in those states that aren't cousin farking racist pieces of shiat who may ask us to forgive alot of things because their entire state isn't backwards ass farking morons, so why act like those collective states are farking a bunch of shiat up for the rest of us when it may hurt the feels of people who live amongst an obvious majority of garbage people?
 
2021-10-28 1:51:47 PM  

Pfighting Polish: I recognize this is too boring for the social media & traditional media channels that want to turn this into a debate, but the issue is there's no one singular, representative voice for "native Americans," nor will there be.

It's entirely possible one group could say, "Sure, we're fine with it," while another says, "No, we're not." Which is essentially what's going on here. The Cherokee are fine with it, this national organization is not. Who is the "authority" on the matter seems up for discussion.

It's also worth noting the article talked about a "partnership" between the baseball team and Cherokee, which could mean a number of things, including a financial relationship that could influence their feelings, ahem. Maybe the national organization truly isn't fine with it, or even is expressing the real feelings of the Cherokee outside of the financial relationship. Or maybe the national org wants a cut. I have no idea, nor am I hazarding to guess, as it's all just speculation.

I don't think we have the data from what we know-know-know to do anything other than just have our own feelings about it and not have a full understanding.

Personally, I'd like to see them change the name, but I'd also like to somehow magically undo their 1965 move to Atlanta, and I have no power over either. The best I'm going to be able to do in that regard, for the sake of the two generations of Milwaukeeans that came before me, is give Bill Bartholomew's grave the Art Modell treatment if I ever come across it.


For what it's worth, the Eastern Band of Cherokee did not say they're okay with the chop. They have a strong relationship with the team, and they've said they hope that relationship can be used to further cultural sensitivity down the road.

Also, the Eastern Band of Cherokee are one of three bands of Cherokee.
 
2021-10-28 1:51:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: demonfaerie: Chief is a racial slur in my family

Someone once told me that "chief" was Boston slang for "dickhead".  "Get a load of this chief over here."

I have no idea if this is true.


Well considering my uncle lives in Missouri, I don't think chief was used as that towards him. He looks Native American, so they call him chief for that reason. I wouldn't be surprised if some did that, because he works at a casino, and is Native American.
 
2021-10-28 2:04:47 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Does anyone know why the Braves had Travis Tritt singing the national anthem at the NLCS last week? It seemed so random and weird. I'm guessing there's some stigginit going on somewhere along the line.


He is a huge Braves fan while also being from the state of Georgia as well as being a popular country music artist.

Now it shouldn't be so random and weird to you, nor seem like it's stigginit to whomever.
 
2021-10-28 2:10:27 PM  

UNC_Samurai: rickythepenguin: remember around 2013 or so when Baltimore was on fire with racial tension, and MLB had the O's play in an empty stadium?

How could they tell the difference?


Less cheering for the visiting team.
 
2021-10-28 2:17:26 PM  

rudemix: Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"

Good point. Not everyone in a ReD sTaTe continually votes for the worst pieces of human excrement to not just lead their state but also drag the collective nation backwards in every way. We should give the benefit of the doubt to states that keep foisting pieces of shiat like DeSantis and Abbot on us because heaven forbid we offend the rare few people in those states that aren't cousin farking racist pieces of shiat who may ask us to forgive alot of things because their entire state isn't backwards ass farking morons, so why act like those collective states are farking a bunch of shiat up for the rest of us when it may hurt the feels of people who live amongst an obvious majority of garbage people?


Derp derp de derp derp
Derp derp
 
2021-10-28 2:32:54 PM  

Demetrius: bluorangefyre: Meanwhile, as I was watching Game 1, it seems like the Asterisks we're playing the sound of a trash can being hit over their PA.  I mean, even New England wasn't that blatant in embracing their cheating.  That, to me, is just as offensive, meaning the Series should be played at neutral sites devoid of fans.

You $eem to be mi$$ing the point of the$e game$.


That's also the reason why they go past midnight despite starting at 8 pm...
 
2021-10-28 2:36:21 PM  

Pfighting Polish: It's entirely possible one group could say, "Sure, we're fine with it," while another says, "No, we're not." Which is essentially what's going on here. The Cherokee are fine with it, this national organization is not. Who is the "authority" on the matter seems up for discussion.


There will always be someone who is against it and someone who is cool with it for everything like this.  Daniel Snyder had "Joe the Indian" who was "totally cool with the name, you guys", and now the name is gone and so is Joe.  There is always reluctance and pushback and it creeps forward and then things change.

First Quaker had Aunt Jemima as a total mammy on the label and then they gave her earrings and took off the bandanna and now they've finally said "Nope, this just ain't gonna work."  It will happen here too and there will be a whole bunch of "Joe the Indians" who are totally fine with it up until the very end.

Joe Manfred is about to become Joe the Indian which is rather convenient for MLB because he's widely regarded as a terrible commissioner.
 
2021-10-28 2:38:51 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pfighting Polish: It's entirely possible one group could say, "Sure, we're fine with it," while another says, "No, we're not." Which is essentially what's going on here. The Cherokee are fine with it, this national organization is not. Who is the "authority" on the matter seems up for discussion.

There will always be someone who is against it and someone who is cool with it for everything like this.  Daniel Snyder had "Joe the Indian" who was "totally cool with the name, you guys", and now the name is gone and so is Joe.  There is always reluctance and pushback and it creeps forward and then things change.

First Quaker had Aunt Jemima as a total mammy on the label and then they gave her earrings and took off the bandanna and now they've finally said "Nope, this just ain't gonna work."  It will happen here too and there will be a whole bunch of "Joe the Indians" who are totally fine with it up until the very end.

Joe Manfred is about to become Joe the Indian which is rather convenient for MLB because he's widely regarded as a terrible commissioner.


Err, Rob Manfred.  What a happy accident.
 
2021-10-28 2:57:56 PM  

bhcompy: Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"

Well it wasn't some other team that had their All Star Game pulled because the state's admiration of Jim Crow style voting laws


It also wasn't some other team that had a new stadium built in the hick sticks because they're fans (see image above) are scurrred of the many "urban" Atlantans.
 
2021-10-28 2:58:54 PM  

PluckYew: bhcompy: Tad_Waxpole: deadsanta: Tad_Waxpole: edmo: People in Atlanta have also been known to claim that slaves were happy. Go figure.

Who?  Atlanta is like the blackest city in America.  I seriously doubt that's mainstream thinking around there.

I'm pretty sure the "among whit people" qualifier was strongly implied. I read that into his comment as a given.

Ok, but still.  Atlanta is not exactly some deep south Confederate redneck stronghold anymore.

But yeah, I know how Fark thinks:  "evEryoNe 1N a ReD sTaTe iz bAd!"

Well it wasn't some other team that had their All Star Game pulled because the state's admiration of Jim Crow style voting laws

It also wasn't some other team that had a new stadium built in the hick sticks because they're THEIRfans (see image above) are scurrred of the many "urban" Atlantans.


MOTHER FARKER!!  FTFM
 
2021-10-28 3:01:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: ElFugawz: But if you ignore that implied qualifier and insist that the comment should be taken as literally the (fairly small) city limits of Atlanta not the Atlanta region or the Atlanta sports fan base, then you can make pointless comments like this.

What "the blackest city in America" looks like (based on GIS of "atlanta braves stadium gameday"):

To be specific, that's the Braves fan base.  To establish my credentials, I've been to roughly 50 Braves games, 4 Falcons games, 7 or 8 Hawks games, 5 or 6 Thrashers games, and 1 ATL United game.

The Falcons and Hawks fan base are significantly black.  I would even posit that it's 50%.  The Braves are very white and suburban.  Conversely, the Atlanta United fan base is very white and urban (and much younger).


Makes sense - I amend my words to Braves fan base. I'll add that the Braves don't even play Atlanta proper, they play in the burbs. Just makes it clear how stupid the "blackest" comment is.
 
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