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(Jalopnik)   I'm sure it was just Volkswagen installing emissions defeat devices on their "Clean" diesels. Right?   (jalopnik.com) divider line
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988 clicks; posted to Business » on 28 Oct 2021 at 2:05 AM (4 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-10-28 1:07:09 AM  
And the buyers who were duped receive....

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2021-10-28 3:00:10 AM  

puffy999: And the buyers who were duped receive....

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I sincerely believe most of them could not care less that their vehicle is more polluting than they were led to believe when they purchased it.
 
2021-10-28 3:24:18 AM  
I have a 2015 BMW F31 diesel. It's like someone from the future gave me their car.  Now I often wonder what the thing's emissions really are.  Gas mileage is around 40 in town and 50 on the freeway which is as good as my motorcycles.

My other car is a Honda Element. Horrrrrrrible gas mileage but insanely practical.  I bought it with a salvage title pretty much just so I could have a big box of a car to camp and throw my muddy dog in.

Of the two if I could only keep one it would probably be the Element, my dog would murder the F31, but every time I get in that wagon I'm all smiles.

I never had a diesel before the bmw and I'm in love with the results.  I do hope that my car is not a fat pig of a polluter though.
 
2021-10-28 6:46:04 AM  

puffy999: And the buyers who were duped receive....

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These are Chrysler products. If more than 10% of them are still running, I'd be surprised.
 
2021-10-28 7:08:39 AM  

Another Government Employee: puffy999: And the buyers who were duped receive....

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These are Chrysler products. If more than 10% of them are still running, I'd be surprised.


FIAT-Crysler.  I think 10% is optimistic.
 
2021-10-28 7:24:19 AM  
The Emissions Cheating Scandal goes Deeper than You Think
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2021-10-28 7:24:34 AM  
I seem to remember Mitsubishi getting done with their engines.

Given how complex even 1980's engine ecus are, I highly doubt that there are any makers with clean hands.
 
2021-10-28 7:31:50 AM  

Boomstickz: I seem to remember Mitsubishi getting done with their engines.

Given how complex even 1980's engine ecus are, I highly doubt that there are any makers with clean hands.


European-owned makers pretty much all use ECUs by Continental.  Guess who got caught with VW/Porsche/Audi?
 
2021-10-28 9:32:00 AM  

puffy999: And the buyers who were duped receive....


A vehicle that functioned correctly and didn't cause engine damage in the name of pollution standards.

It wasn't really cheating. The EPA allows engines to operate in conditions where emissions are higher than allowable specs if it's required to protect the engine from damage, or if the operating conditions are such that they are short periods of time that don't make up a substantial amount of the total time that the vehicle is operating. In the case of the trucks and SUVs, this was during heavy load towing conditions with the "Tow/Haul" mode activated. The EPA got their knickers in a twist because these defeat conditions weren't disclosed properly in documentation submitted for emissions certification, and after the VW Dieselgate they turned it into a huge federal case when it was basically nothing.
 
2021-10-28 2:24:42 PM  

omg bbq: I do hope that my car is not a fat pig of a polluter though.


Oh, it certainly is. It's closer to real-world results (obviously) because what is achieved in the lab cannot be achieved in regular driving.
 
2021-10-29 3:04:36 AM  

mrmopar5287: puffy999: And the buyers who were duped receive....

A vehicle that functioned correctly and didn't cause engine damage in the name of pollution standards.

It wasn't really cheating. The EPA allows engines to operate in conditions where emissions are higher than allowable specs if it's required to protect the engine from damage, or if the operating conditions are such that they are short periods of time that don't make up a substantial amount of the total time that the vehicle is operating. In the case of the trucks and SUVs, this was during heavy load towing conditions with the "Tow/Haul" mode activated. The EPA got their knickers in a twist because these defeat conditions weren't disclosed properly in documentation submitted for emissions certification, and after the VW Dieselgate they turned it into a huge federal case when it was basically nothing.


So failing to disclose relevant
 
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