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(NPR)   At some point, the rest of the world is going to decide that the greatest threat to the planet's future is the United States of America. What then?   (npr.org) divider line
    More: Obvious, Greenhouse gas, Fossil fuel, Global warming, Carbon dioxide, climate change, Methane, oil industry's decades, Exxon Mobil  
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2021-10-27 2:00:03 PM  
Let's just hope it's not dealt with, from orbit.
 
2021-10-27 2:02:22 PM  
They'll be correct.
 
2021-10-27 2:13:39 PM  
When the world stops using the dollar is when the USA will care.  It's all about the money.
 
2021-10-27 2:14:54 PM  
The United States has contributed more heat-trapping pollution than any country over time and has been the prime driver of global climate change.

In the last few decades China and India have increased their pollution substantially and yet Americans are all 'they are the problem not the US!' It's a cop out so the US can keep doing what it is doing.

A senior Exxon lobbyist in Washington was caught on tape in June describing the company's campaign to cloud the science. "Did we aggressively fight against some of the science? Yes," said Keith McCoy, an Exxon lobbyist in Washington in a sting operation by Greenpeace U.K. "Did we hide our science? Absolutely not. Did we join some of these 'shadow groups' to work against some of the early efforts? Yes, that's true. But there's nothing illegal about that. You know, we were looking out for our investments. We were looking out for our shareholders."

Slavery was legal. Segregation was legal. Killing native peoples and forcing them out of their homes was legal. Child labor was legal. Interment camps were legal.
 
2021-10-27 2:19:22 PM  
It used to be. I'm more concerned about China right now, especially the slow cooked rise in Nationalism in China.

The rise of fascist Germany is very often ascribed to the burden Germans had to suffer post-WWI. The legacy of resentment of people who grew up feeling that they have been unfairly denied their right to greatness appears to have a profound effect on the human psyche.

China has spent a long time with a perception of being repressed. Don't get confused by what is truth or fiction, it's about perception. More recently the Nationalists within China have been puffing out their chests and convincing themselves that they have been denied their birthright, and that they don't want to take a back seat anymore.  This appears to be very strong within the Chinese military.

To add to the danger, they seem willing to take a long view on how they will rise to be the dominant world power. And I don't see anything that might temper their drive to become king of the hill, no human rights, no ethical or moral checks, just the a desire for power and influence.
 
2021-10-27 2:30:52 PM  

wademh: It used to be. I'm more concerned about China right now, especially the slow cooked rise in Nationalism in China.

The rise of fascist Germany is very often ascribed to the burden Germans had to suffer post-WWI. The legacy of resentment of people who grew up feeling that they have been unfairly denied their right to greatness appears to have a profound effect on the human psyche.

China has spent a long time with a perception of being repressed. Don't get confused by what is truth or fiction, it's about perception. More recently the Nationalists within China have been puffing out their chests and convincing themselves that they have been denied their birthright, and that they don't want to take a back seat anymore.  This appears to be very strong within the Chinese military.

To add to the danger, they seem willing to take a long view on how they will rise to be the dominant world power. And I don't see anything that might temper their drive to become king of the hill, no human rights, no ethical or moral checks, just the a desire for power and influence.


That's great and all, but I think we should probably worry about OUR fascists first, especially since they're a lot closer to seizing power at the moment.
 
2021-10-27 2:35:32 PM  

wademh: It used to be. I'm more concerned about China right now, especially the slow cooked rise in Nationalism in China.

The rise of fascist Germany is very often ascribed to the burden Germans had to suffer post-WWI. The legacy of resentment of people who grew up feeling that they have been unfairly denied their right to greatness appears to have a profound effect on the human psyche.

China has spent a long time with a perception of being repressed. Don't get confused by what is truth or fiction, it's about perception. More recently the Nationalists within China have been puffing out their chests and convincing themselves that they have been denied their birthright, and that they don't want to take a back seat anymore.  This appears to be very strong within the Chinese military.

To add to the danger, they seem willing to take a long view on how they will rise to be the dominant world power. And I don't see anything that might temper their drive to become king of the hill, no human rights, no ethical or moral checks, just the a desire for power and influence.


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2021-10-27 2:50:04 PM  

Bootleg: wademh: It used to be. I'm more concerned about China right now, especially the slow cooked rise in Nationalism in China.

The rise of fascist Germany is very often ascribed to the burden Germans had to suffer post-WWI. The legacy of resentment of people who grew up feeling that they have been unfairly denied their right to greatness appears to have a profound effect on the human psyche.

China has spent a long time with a perception of being repressed. Don't get confused by what is truth or fiction, it's about perception. More recently the Nationalists within China have been puffing out their chests and convincing themselves that they have been denied their birthright, and that they don't want to take a back seat anymore.  This appears to be very strong within the Chinese military.

To add to the danger, they seem willing to take a long view on how they will rise to be the dominant world power. And I don't see anything that might temper their drive to become king of the hill, no human rights, no ethical or moral checks, just the a desire for power and influence.

That's great and all, but I think we should probably worry about OUR fascists first, especially since they're a lot closer to seizing power at the moment.


Fair enough. So understand that TFG's fans have that same resentment, that they feel they have been denied their birthright to greatness. They flail about looking for someone to blame. BLM, CRT, Globalism. But their leaders are really stupid, so far.
 
2021-10-27 2:57:32 PM  

wademh: Fair enough. So understand that TFG's fans have that same resentment, that they feel they have been denied their birthright to greatness. They flail about looking for someone to blame. BLM, CRT, Globalism. But their leaders are really stupid, so far.


Their leaders are smarter than the opposition party's leaders, unfortunately.
 
2021-10-27 3:19:04 PM  
There's a reason why we spend more on our military than the next dozen countries combined.
 
2021-10-27 3:19:48 PM  
are you/will you be the greatest threat?

what are you planning to do, that would affect the rest of the world that much?
 
2021-10-27 3:21:22 PM  
Talk to me when China turns off its coal plants.
 
2021-10-27 3:21:38 PM  
It's the combination of US and China. US corporations outsource the worst pollutants to China (mostly) and other Asian countries.
 
2021-10-27 3:21:54 PM  
can't have global warming if there's a nuclear winter
 
2021-10-27 3:22:14 PM  
At some point the youth of the world are going to realize they have a moral obligation to destroy fossil fuel infrastructure.
 
2021-10-27 3:22:47 PM  
And here I thought that this was going to be about the threat the US poses abroad due to the rise of the American NeoNazi Party
 
2021-10-27 3:22:47 PM  

Bootleg: That's great and all, but I think we should probably worry about OUR fascists first, especially since they're a lot closer to seizing power at the moment.


Not sure if you follow news at all, but China's fascists are already in power, and are quite secure.
 
2021-10-27 3:22:54 PM  
As if China wasn't chugging away smoking toxins like your 80 year old Grandma on the porch, Subby.
 
2021-10-27 3:23:47 PM  
I'm hoping for an EU coalition force to invade, set up a puppet government, take away all the guns, give us a legitimate universal health care system, and wipe out the right wing extremists. If that happens, the country and the world generally will be much better off.
 
2021-10-27 3:24:19 PM  
Pewpew
 
2021-10-27 3:24:32 PM  

kmgenesis23: I'm hoping for an EU coalition force to invade, set up a puppet government, take away all the guns, give us a legitimate universal health care system, and wipe out the right wing extremists. If that happens, the country and the world generally will be much better off.


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2021-10-27 3:24:38 PM  
They'll do what nations have always done; weigh the pros and cons of aligning with the bad guys and do whatever serves them best in the short term.

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2021-10-27 3:25:04 PM  
"Going to?"
 
2021-10-27 3:25:15 PM  
That farker Manchin sure has a punchable face.
 
2021-10-27 3:25:36 PM  
Uh, American Exceptionalism?
 
2021-10-27 3:26:47 PM  
The world was shaky on us after Iraq, and then we elected Donald farking Trump to the highest office in the land. In case it still hasn't dawned on someone, we're already viewed as a threat. We may vacillate between "likable lummox that breaks everything it touches" and "literally insane and an imminent threat", but the world has mentally moved on from the American era.
 
2021-10-27 3:26:54 PM  
Nah, we are more like Russia now. Mostly harmless. We are fighting our own kleptocracy (Russia lost its battle). We don't have the time and energy to jack around with the rest of the world.
 
2021-10-27 3:27:32 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: At some point the youth of the world are going to realize they have a moral obligation to destroy fossil fuel infrastructure.


lol.

Meanwhile, in the real world, we can't even get the youths to vote in high numbers. Something that is much easier to do than destroying private property and risk of going to jail.
 
2021-10-27 3:27:32 PM  
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2021-10-27 3:27:46 PM  

Uncle Pooky: There's a reason why we spend more on our military than the next dozen countries combined.


Yeah
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-reports​-​record-53-billion-in-nato-defense-spen​ding/a-56491017
 
2021-10-27 3:27:54 PM  
Well, at that point all they'd have to do is wall us off and wait.
 
2021-10-27 3:27:55 PM  
I,for one, will welcome our Canadian/Eurasian overlords.
 
2021-10-27 3:29:05 PM  
Oooh..oooh, I read that one!!  Kim Stanley's The Wild Shore.  The world get's tired of America's shiat and... well nuke's us and turns us into an exclusion zone.  The 3 Californias is a pretty good set of books.
 
2021-10-27 3:29:34 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Something that is much easier to do than destroying private property and risk of going to jail.


Iowa climate activist sentenced to eight years in federal prison for Dakota Access pipeline sabotage
 
2021-10-27 3:30:23 PM  
Should not be a problem. An easy to spread respiratory virus should have no problem wiping out 99% of you.  Your adversaries wearing advanced pieces of cloth on their faces should have no problem with the remaking 1%.

/ I wish I was kidding
 
2021-10-27 3:30:28 PM  
China's fascists

lol you should probably look up what that word means and look up who actually governs in China
 
2021-10-27 3:30:33 PM  
Well...they should realize that China is the largest threat.
 
2021-10-27 3:30:40 PM  
 
2021-10-27 3:31:51 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: NuclearPenguins: Something that is much easier to do than destroying private property and risk of going to jail.

Iowa climate activist sentenced to eight years in federal prison for Dakota Access pipeline sabotage


Exactly my point. Kids aren't going to do that en masse. You'll get one or two, but as a whole there isn't going to be some massive movement to destroy things and go to jail for doing so.
 
2021-10-27 3:31:53 PM  

The_Sponge: Well...they should realize that China is the largest threat.


China is the largest threat to US economic hegemony.  That's it.  What are you talking about?
 
2021-10-27 3:32:14 PM  
Ill be dead before I see the consequences of my actions. HAHA!
 
2021-10-27 3:32:19 PM  
Forced balkanization after US civil war II.
 
2021-10-27 3:32:28 PM  

jethroe: Wow, too farking late.

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Seven decades of war will really hit your approval numbers.
 
2021-10-27 3:33:09 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Ill be dead before I see the consequences of my actions. HAHA!


That isn't something to be proud of.
 
2021-10-27 3:33:23 PM  

Lady J: are you/will you be the greatest threat?

what are you planning to do, that would affect the rest of the world that much?


The problem is that after fascism takes a nation, group A is blamed for all the nation's ills and bad things happen. Then the people realize the problems are still there, so group B becomes the target. Eventually the people won't fall for another group of their neighbors and coworkers disappearing as the solution. At that point the fascist government turns its propaganda outward.

The GQP is already floating test balloons for starting a completely unjustified war that will turn the whole world against the US. See yesterday's article about how some GQP rep saying the US needs to invade Australia. Eventually they'll find a target that will stick, and they're insane enough to start WWIII to stay in power once they have it again.
 
2021-10-27 3:34:46 PM  
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2021-10-27 3:35:13 PM  

wademh: It used to be. I'm more concerned about China right now, especially the slow cooked rise in Nationalism in China.

The rise of fascist Germany is very often ascribed to the burden Germans had to suffer post-WWI. The legacy of resentment of people who grew up feeling that they have been unfairly denied their right to greatness appears to have a profound effect on the human psyche.

China has spent a long time with a perception of being repressed. Don't get confused by what is truth or fiction, it's about perception. More recently the Nationalists within China have been puffing out their chests and convincing themselves that they have been denied their birthright, and that they don't want to take a back seat anymore.  This appears to be very strong within the Chinese military.

To add to the danger, they seem willing to take a long view on how they will rise to be the dominant world power. And I don't see anything that might temper their drive to become king of the hill, no human rights, no ethical or moral checks, just the a desire for power and influence.


China's most powerful enemy was and is China. Specifically citizens vs government.

Homegrown facists are happy to have you looking the other way.
 
2021-10-27 3:35:15 PM  

kmgenesis23: I'm hoping for an EU coalition force to invade, set up a puppet government, take away all the guns, give us a legitimate universal health care system, and wipe out the right wing extremists. If that happens, the country and the world generally will be much better off.


I'm hoping for a choice of sanctions or UN elections officials monitoring US elections every two years.
 
2021-10-27 3:35:37 PM  

The_Sponge: Well...they should realize that China is the largest threat.


No it isnt.
 
2021-10-27 3:35:46 PM  
I've thought this for a few years. As we move to a future where the U.S. could act on climate change, but doesn't, would other countries be morally obligated to future generations to everything they could to safeguard the best possible world?
 
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