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(Axios)   Joe Manchin decides it's time to stick up for the job creators   (axios.com) divider line
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2021-10-27 11:35:23 AM  
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2021-10-27 11:39:46 AM  
Being the puppet of a corrupt oligarchy is a job that pays really well.
Much more than merely being in Congress.
 
2021-10-27 11:41:35 AM  
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2021-10-27 11:43:00 AM  
And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.
 
2021-10-27 11:44:24 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.


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2021-10-27 11:46:43 AM  
Come on now, it's only fair. Jeff Bezos and the lady who drives my kids' school bus both get the same number of votes come election time - OF COURSE he shouldn't pay any more taxes then her - she's just as privileged!

/This move tells you where Joe sees himself in a few years, income-wise.
 
2021-10-27 11:49:52 AM  
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So basically "I ain't supporting sh*t, I ain't voting for sh*t, f*ck you and the horse you rode in on"
That's Manchin in a nutshell.
An asshole thru and thru.
 
2021-10-27 11:51:39 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.


First, they are no real conservatives on Fark.  There are liberals and Fark Independents® who didn't vote for Trump but voted independent or wrote in other candidates.

Second, they never come out against taxes on the rich but instead point out how both sides are bad.  They may go as far as saying that not much revenue gets generated by taxing the rich.  However, they just point that out as a point of concern.  They are not advocating protecting low taxes on the rich and super rich.
 
2021-10-27 11:53:06 AM  

mrshowrules: AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.

First, they are no real conservatives on Fark.  There are liberals and Fark Independents® who didn't vote for Trump but voted independent or wrote in other candidates.

Second, they never come out against taxes on the rich but instead point out how both sides are bad.  They may go as far as saying that not much revenue gets generated by taxing the rich.  However, they just point that out as a point of concern.  They are not advocating protecting low taxes on the rich and super rich.


You and I must be participating in very different threads.
 
2021-10-27 11:59:09 AM  
He's 77... I look forward to him sh*tting himself to death any day now.
 
2021-10-27 12:09:04 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.


Have you ever considered taking a day off from your persecution complex?
 
2021-10-27 12:09:38 PM  
Democrat spewing boilerplate republican rhetoric to kill supposed party priorities.

No purity tests!
 
2021-10-27 12:10:06 PM  
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is telling colleagues he has deep concerns about a proposed "billionaire tax" but is waiting for more details before making a final decision,

Oh just f*cking eat shiat, asshole.

Christ, we're f*cked.
 
2021-10-27 12:10:25 PM  
Many of the checks cleared long ago, he was just seeing how many more he could rake in before "changing his mind" publicly.
 
2021-10-27 12:10:50 PM  

NuclearPenguins: AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.

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And you just proved his point.
 
2021-10-27 12:11:32 PM  
I have already heard the first commercial about how a rich people tax increase is bad on the way into work today. something about it will stifle innovation and hand over business to China and other boogyman stuff. Yeah we have done so great under the last round of trickle down, why I have a hard time finding a parking spot for my yacht there are so many out there.
 
2021-10-27 12:11:40 PM  

whidbey: Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is telling colleagues he has deep concerns about a proposed "billionaire tax" but is waiting for more details before making a final decision,

Oh just f*cking eat shiat, asshole.

Christ, we're f*cked.


Weird pivot from the last thread.
 
2021-10-27 12:13:30 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: NuclearPenguins: AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.

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And you just proved his point.


Uh, how exactly?

Why the fark on fark is pro-Manchin? I've seen people say that yeah he sucks but what do you expect from West Virginia, but I never see all these pro-Manchin people who are allegedly victimizing the progressives with their Manchin love.
 
2021-10-27 12:13:31 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.


clicks for the click god
 
2021-10-27 12:13:42 PM  

mrshowrules: First, they are no real conservatives on Fark.  There are liberals and Fark Independents® who didn't vote for Trump but voted independent or wrote in other candidates.

Second, they never come out against taxes on the rich but instead point out how both sides are bad.  They may go as far as saying that not much revenue gets generated by taxing the rich.  However, they just point that out as a point of concern.  They are not advocating protecting low taxes on the rich and super rich.


It's not so much that both sides are bad.  One side is evil & openly fascist.  The other are simply failures at best, well-compensated accomplices in the other side's crimes, at worst.  It depends on the issue, really.  The two sides tend to align a great deal more when it comes to money, more than anything else.

It's that they're both worthy of our open contempt (and perhaps a dozen or two of the lot, throughout the whole country, worthy of something as valuable as a vote), really, not that they're the same or equally "bad".
 
2021-10-27 12:13:55 PM  
I really, really cant express how much I hate this man. To a slightly lesser degree, I hate every single Democrat who thought or thinks he should be a member of the party.
 
2021-10-27 12:14:36 PM  
Did anyone expect anything else?  He's there to obstruct.  He's there to water down everything so farkin' much that it becomes next to pointless to try and do anything.  What will end up finally passing is just what maintains the status quo and doesn't end up really helping the average person in any substantial way.
 
2021-10-27 12:16:17 PM  
In a perfect world, the Democrats would spend a billion dollars to primary this f*ck.
 
2021-10-27 12:16:35 PM  
Ope, looks like a check or two cleared.
 
2021-10-27 12:17:07 PM  
Sinema should have taken a few years to learn from Manchin on how to be a double-talking asshole without alienating everyone.
 
2021-10-27 12:17:30 PM  

whidbey: In a perfect world, the Democrats would spend a billion dollars to primary this f*ck.


Why were you complaining about the "derp brigade" earlier for saying essentially the same thing?
 
2021-10-27 12:17:51 PM  

whidbey: In a perfect world, the Democrats would spend a billion dollars to primary this f*ck.


In a perfect world he wouldn't be anywhere near political power in the first place. I mean if we're going for a perfect world why shoot so low?
 
2021-10-27 12:18:21 PM  
Admittedly, this was an easy prediction, but I called it two days ago:

Billionaires don't live in Best Virginia so Manchin temporarily voices approval of a wealth tax
 
2021-10-27 12:19:06 PM  
"Manchin has long had concerns about "mark-to-market" proposals, which try to assess - and then tax - the appreciation of an asset before it's been sold. That would be the underpinning of the billionaire tax."

I just got off the phone with his office. I explained to them that my home is regularly assessed, but not sold, and I then pay taxes based on the assessment. If it works for my home, it can work for rich people's assets.
 
2021-10-27 12:19:08 PM  
Why couldn't the reporter have responded by pointing out that taxes have always targeted different people?

That's exactly what tax brackets do; they change the goddam tax rate based on income. FFS

He might as well complain about car insurance companies raising the rates for people who get into multiple accidents. They're just targeting one group of people! Why should I pay more to insure my 2020 Benz than Gin Buddy pays to insure his 2010 Hyundai? Targeting!!!
 
2021-10-27 12:19:55 PM  

Thrag: whidbey: In a perfect world, the Democrats would spend a billion dollars to primary this f*ck.

In a perfect world he wouldn't be anywhere near political power in the first place. I mean if we're going for a perfect world why shoot so low?


They still should do it.  Write the billion off in taxes.
 
2021-10-27 12:19:58 PM  
Something I'm curious about.  We've had lower taxes on the rich in stages since the early 80s, continually getting lower.

Why is the deficit so large?  Why have middle and lower class wages stagnated?

It's almost like they weren't entirely truthful when they set it up.
 
2021-10-27 12:19:59 PM  
All those billionaires in West Virginia will be so relieved.
 
2021-10-27 12:20:24 PM  
I'm just glad someoneis finally looking out for our poor, abused billionaires. Do you know how hard they have it?  And could you imagine how much worse off they would be if you took away all these proposed taxes, so they are left with mere hundreds of millions?  Jeebus, you people are fine with the poors mostly having refrigerators, you don't think the billionaires need a little help now and then?
 
2021-10-27 12:22:30 PM  
A tax solution designed to satisfy Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) isn't necessarily acceptable to Manchin.

Huh. I was told that this would all be over as soon as Bernie Sanders personally agreed to Manchin's simple request to remove everything that inconveniences rich people. How am I supposed to blame everyone except Centrism?
 
2021-10-27 12:23:50 PM  

groppet: I have already heard the first commercial about how a rich people tax increase is bad on the way into work today. something about it will stifle innovation and hand over business to China and other boogyman stuff. Yeah we have done so great under the last round of trickle down, why I have a hard time finding a parking spot for my yacht there are so many out there.


Those type of PSAs are always so f$cking crazy.  PSAs always co-opt the people they are actually trying to f$ck over and hide who they are protecting.  It is f$ck over teachers, it will feature a teacher somehow being harmed and we need to protect them.  If it is to help rich people, it will focus on a working class person trying to provide for his family.

This one is a perfect example.  It is to stop the lowering of drug prices.  However, apparently sick people actually need higher drug prices.  It is in there best interest that insulin prices are ten times higher than Canada. This is some Orwellian shiat right here:

Patients Like Sue Worry Congress is Compromising Access to Medicines by Meddling with Medicare
Youtube -lzaRLCatxk
 
2021-10-27 12:24:18 PM  
"...the appreciation of an asset before it's been sold."

So, what tax assessors have done since, like, forever?

Who are these people?
 
2021-10-27 12:24:33 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And yet we'll have yet another thread of conservative Farkers talking about how Manchin is the good guy here and how progressives who want decent government are the real bad guys.


*crescendoing drum roll with intensifying horror organ chords, then dramatic silence*

*soliloquy spotlight*

BERNIE LOST! GET OVER IT!

*intense laughter followed by a bombastic brass band playing a circus march over thunderous applause*
 
2021-10-27 12:27:53 PM  
I think we should have more sympathy for the poor billionaires - let's think about it.  Let's say a child is born, and you give them a budget of $1000 per day for the rest of their lives. And let's say they live to be 100 years old. (We'll ignore inflation, but also not give any investment income to balance that out).  You would have to give them ~$36.5 Million dollars to live like that. Do you think you could get by on only $1000 per day? Why, of course not!  You're probably saying "That's inhumane! What am I, a monster?"  Well, if you think of a billionaire, as in only $1 Billion, they would have to try and squeak by with only a little over $27k to spend each and every day for the next 100 years!  They're already at the barest of minimums, and it's our duty as a society to make sure they can make it through.
 
2021-10-27 12:28:56 PM  
"I am just not comfortable with the idea of us suddenly targeting people with adverse policies because they make too much money... also, we need to start means testing because if a couple are both working and bringing home $60K a year combined they shouldn't be getting a child tax credit any longer."
 
2021-10-27 12:29:26 PM  
He's such a perfect person to be a senator from WV. It's like, if you squint really really hard, you can see ways in which he could've looked distinguished.

But he ended up looking inbred.
 
2021-10-27 12:29:30 PM  
I thought we already knew we weren't getting this tax because Democrats.
 
2021-10-27 12:31:22 PM  
Billionaires shouldn't even exist but I digress
 
2021-10-27 12:31:44 PM  

TheOtherGuy: mrshowrules: First, they are no real conservatives on Fark.  There are liberals and Fark Independents® who didn't vote for Trump but voted independent or wrote in other candidates.

Second, they never come out against taxes on the rich but instead point out how both sides are bad.  They may go as far as saying that not much revenue gets generated by taxing the rich.  However, they just point that out as a point of concern.  They are not advocating protecting low taxes on the rich and super rich.

It's not so much that both sides are bad.  One side is evil & openly fascist.  The other are simply failures at best, well-compensated accomplices in the other side's crimes, at worst.  It depends on the issue, really.  The two sides tend to align a great deal more when it comes to money, more than anything else.

It's that they're both worthy of our open contempt (and perhaps a dozen or two of the lot, throughout the whole country, worthy of something as valuable as a vote), really, not that they're the same or equally "bad".


BSAB is typically some real bullshiat.  It serves to give cover to the actual people in the wrong.

When one side votes to cut taxes on the rich and votes to block minimum wage increases, it is the bad side.  Period. Full stop.  Republicans, Manchin and Sinema are on the wrong side.  You don't move the need on politics and policy by saying all government is bad or the democrats are just as bad as republicans.  You move the needle by calling out names and voting f$ckers out.

BSAB always comes out in threads about the Republicans doing something horrendous and the motivation is transparent.
 
2021-10-27 12:32:06 PM  
The Dems need to call for a sustained national strike. Shut down significant swaths of industry for a few days. Then ask the so called 'job creators' how they feel about raising taxes a bit.
 
2021-10-27 12:33:39 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Admittedly, this was an easy prediction, but I called it two days ago:

Billionaires don't live in Best Virginia so Manchin temporarily voices approval of a wealth tax


It was a trial balloon to get them to offer  addition bribes
 
2021-10-27 12:34:09 PM  

whidbey: In a perfect world, the Democrats would spend a billion dollars to primary this f*ck.


I would vote for whoever ran against him in a primary. Unfortunately, most Mountaineers would not.

I stumped for Swearingen, even though I knew it was a lost cause.
 
2021-10-27 12:35:25 PM  

eKonk: I think we should have more sympathy for the poor billionaires - let's think about it.  Let's say a child is born, and you give them a budget of $1000 per day for the rest of their lives. And let's say they live to be 100 years old. (We'll ignore inflation, but also not give any investment income to balance that out).  You would have to give them ~$36.5 Million dollars to live like that. Do you think you could get by on only $1000 per day? Why, of course not!  You're probably saying "That's inhumane! What am I, a monster?"  Well, if you think of a billionaire, as in only $1 Billion, they would have to try and squeak by with only a little over $27k to spend each and every day for the next 100 years!  They're already at the barest of minimums, and it's our duty as a society to make sure they can make it through.


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2021-10-27 12:36:37 PM  

a_room_with_a_moose: whidbey: In a perfect world, the Democrats would spend a billion dollars to primary this f*ck.

I would vote for whoever ran against him in a primary. Unfortunately, most Mountaineers would not.

I stumped for Swearingen, even though I knew it was a lost cause.


From what I understand though, it's about being outspent by the coal industry.

The Dems could match those funds--or exceed them-- if they were really serious about getting rid of this asshole.
 
2021-10-27 12:36:50 PM  
I'm just waiting for a republican senator to say 'fark this, let's cut a deal'. They get to bring home massive cash for their State, and get to stig it to Democratic divas like ManChin and SinMa.
 
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