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(Daily Mail)   On the day the British finance minister announces the new budget, the 'sick man of Europe' cuts expected GDP growth this year because of Covid and global supply chain issues   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2021-10-27 12:15:53 PM  
Okay, calling Germany the sick man of Europe is a bit of a stretch, but it does show countries everywhere are suffering the same issues.
And Rishi Sunak's budget is way different from the austerity budgets of a decade ago. Raise to minimum wage, more money for people on welfare, more money for the NHS, property tax cuts to retailers, cuts to beer tax and so on.
 
2021-10-27 9:35:03 PM  
Lol someone believes Rishi Sunak. Oh! It's the Daily Fail, a Tory Sockcucker rag. I believe Germany; why would I believe anything from the UK government, which has been caught blatantly lying in parliament and who has ministers who openly run companies that benefit from their legislation?
 
2021-10-27 9:37:22 PM  
Increasing trade with a gargantuan trading block of close to 450 million people right on your doorstep would help immensely. It might even erase all these problems. Just think about it.
 
2021-10-27 9:39:50 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Increasing trade with a gargantuan trading block of close to 450 million people right on your doorstep would help immensely. It might even erase all these problems. Just think about it.


Well, we do have a free trade deal with them.

That's more than the US or China has.
 
2021-10-27 9:47:15 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Increasing trade with a gargantuan trading block of close to 450 million people right on your doorstep would help immensely. It might even erase all these problems. Just think about it.

Well, we do have a free trade deal with them.

That's more than the US or China has.


Whattabout?
 
2021-10-27 9:53:42 PM  
I know it's the Daily Fail, but the UK's "world-beating vaccine rollout"? They aren't even the most vaccinated country on their own farking island chain much less in Europe. Ireland sits at 74.9% while the UK (67.8) is sandwiched between France (67.9) and Germany (66.2). It's also hilarious that they complain about the slow "Brussels' vaccine programme" when Belgium is sitting pretty at 73.9% vaccinated.

Perhaps the Daily Fail is looking at overall EU vaccination rate which is appreciably lower than the UK's. Of course, that requires you to conveniently ignore that the lower EU vaccination rate is largely due to the eastern European countries. Moreover, a cursory analysis of those nations shows that they've got generally far higher vaccination rates than their non-EU neighbors. Just compare Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and even Romania (lowest is 30.7) to Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, and Russia (highest is 33.2).

So the real comparison to the UK would be the western European EU nations who are...largely more well vaccinated than the UK with several of them well into the 70%+ range.

Not to mention the completely ludicrous projection of 6.5% growth for 2021. The last time the UK sniffed that level of growth, the OPEC oil crisis was just around the corner (funny considering their recent problems). And you expect me to believe that with their recent inability to properly stock literally everything they're going to grow at 6.5%?
 
2021-10-27 10:00:05 PM  

stevenboof: Carter Pewterschmidt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Increasing trade with a gargantuan trading block of close to 450 million people right on your doorstep would help immensely. It might even erase all these problems. Just think about it.

Well, we do have a free trade deal with them.

That's more than the US or China has.

Whattabout?


What about it?

Someone suggested we do more trade with the EU. We have a free trade deal with the EU. So we can happily do more trade with them. As well as doing more trade with countries like New Zealand we signed free trade deals with. What's the problem?
 
2021-10-27 10:06:20 PM  
UK's GDP, from 2016 (when the Brexit vote happened) to today:

2016 GDP: $2,703b
2021 GDP: $3,124b (16% higher)

And here is Germany's GDP for comparison:

2016 GDP: $3,468b
2021 GDP: $4,319b (25% higher)

So yeah... a typical Brexit success story, in the UK's mind.
 
2021-10-27 10:12:35 PM  
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2021-10-27 10:14:57 PM  

bertor_vidas: I know it's the Daily Fail, but the UK's "world-beating vaccine rollout"? They aren't even the most vaccinated country on their own farking island chain much less in Europe. Ireland sits at 74.9% while the UK (67.8) is sandwiched between France (67.9) and Germany (66.2). It's also hilarious that they complain about the slow "Brussels' vaccine programme" when Belgium is sitting pretty at 73.9% vaccinated.

Perhaps the Daily Fail is looking at overall EU vaccination rate which is appreciably lower than the UK's. Of course, that requires you to conveniently ignore that the lower EU vaccination rate is largely due to the eastern European countries. Moreover, a cursory analysis of those nations shows that they've got generally far higher vaccination rates than their non-EU neighbors. Just compare Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and even Romania (lowest is 30.7) to Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, and Russia (highest is 33.2).


The rest of the EU has caught up with the UK, but with a vaccine in a pandemic time was of the essence, and the UK was way way ahead of the rest of the EU for a long time.

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Remember the EU threatening to sue the UK to get some of our vaccine? Why would they do that unless we were way ahead of them? Even Guy Verhofstad, hardly a Brexit fan, said he'd read the contracts and the UK just did a far better job.

Look at the figures back in April.
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Saying "Well the EU has caught up now" is a bit like saying someone turned up with lifeboats a week after the Titanic sank. At the start of the year every day mattered, and the UK was months ahead of the EU.

bertor_vidas: Not to mention the completely ludicrous projection of 6.5% growth for 2021. The last time the UK sniffed that level of growth, the OPEC oil crisis was just around the corner (funny considering their recent problems). And you expect me to believe that with their recent inability to properly stock literally everything they're going to grow at 6.5%?


The IMF forecast 6.8%.

The UK had a generous furlough scheme. Lots of people were paid when off work. Those payments are now ending and those people are going back to work. Of course the economy is going to grow fast. Because last year it had a huge fall in GDP. Why wouldn't it bounce back?
 
Xai [recently expired TotalFark]
2021-10-27 10:24:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Okay, calling Germany the sick man of Europe is a bit of a stretch, but it does show countries everywhere are suffering the same issues.
And Rishi Sunak's budget is way different from the austerity budgets of a decade ago. Raise to minimum wage, more money for people on welfare, more money for the NHS, property tax cuts to retailers, cuts to beer tax and so on.


Why don't you look at the graphs and I think even you will be insulted by this gaslighting article.

Germany expects to exceed GDP prior to the pandemic within a year, the UK doesn't even expect to come close in the most optimistic projection. (right there on their graphs)

The only reason the UK is 'roaring back' is because the drop was deeper for the UK so the recovery will be a larger percentage figure.
 
2021-10-27 10:27:45 PM  

SomeAmerican: UK's GDP, from 2016 (when the Brexit vote happened) to today:

2016 GDP: $2,703b
2021 GDP: $3,124b (16% higher)

And here is Germany's GDP for comparison:

2016 GDP: $3,468b
2021 GDP: $4,319b (25% higher)

So yeah... a typical Brexit success story, in the UK's mind.


Considering that Project Fear claimed we'd be in full recession by the end of 2016 if we voted to leave, just voted, not actually left, with half a million jobs lost, huge tax rises, house prices plummeting etc etc to be only that far behind Germany, but still having grown, after we have actually left, is a great result.

Thanks for posting it!

/Seriously, were there people in America a couple of years after 1776 saying "Our GDP isn't growing as much as it would! Independence was clearly a huge mistake!"?
 
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2021-10-27 10:29:53 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: SomeAmerican: UK's GDP, from 2016 (when the Brexit vote happened) to today:

2016 GDP: $2,703b
2021 GDP: $3,124b (16% higher)

And here is Germany's GDP for comparison:

2016 GDP: $3,468b
2021 GDP: $4,319b (25% higher)

So yeah... a typical Brexit success story, in the UK's mind.

Considering that Project Fear claimed we'd be in full recession by the end of 2016 if we voted to leave, just voted, not actually left, with half a million jobs lost, huge tax rises, house prices plummeting etc etc to be only that far behind Germany, but still having grown, after we have actually left, is a great result.

Thanks for posting it!

/Seriously, were there people in America a couple of years after 1776 saying "Our GDP isn't growing as much as it would! Independence was clearly a huge mistake!"?


Only you would claim -9% is a massive success.

I remember consistently saying we were going to lose around 10% so I feel that I was pretty much on the money with that and I recall you bashing me every time and telling me everything was going to be fantastic - am I wrong?
 
2021-10-27 10:33:28 PM  

Xai: Why don't you look at the graphs and I think even you will be insulted by this gaslighting article.

Germany expects to exceed GDP prior to the pandemic within a year, the UK doesn't even expect to come close in the most optimistic projection. (right there on their graphs)


The graph shows the UK getting back to pre pandemic GDP around end of this year, only a couple of months away.

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2021-10-27 10:38:44 PM  

Xai: Only you would claim -9% is a massive success.


But it isn't "minus 9 percent"

It is still growth, albeit less than it might have been.

But that it utterly demolishes the Project Fear claims is beyond all doubt. They, and many her on Fark, confidently predicted the UK would be utterly trashed, all the banks would leave, all the multinationals would close their factories etc etc.

We actually went through a hugely disruptive separation process from a political union and we still had GDP growth?

That's a fantastic result! That is a million miles away from what Project Fear, Remainers and many on Fark were insisting would happen.

You (collectively) said the UK would be utterly ruined.  Now you're reduced to leaping on the fact we're growing a bit less than we might possibly otherwise have done and claiming you are right all along? Pathetic.
 
2021-10-27 10:39:57 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: bertor_vidas: I know it's the Daily Fail, but the UK's "world-beating vaccine rollout"? They aren't even the most vaccinated country on their own farking island chain much less in Europe. Ireland sits at 74.9% while the UK (67.8) is sandwiched between France (67.9) and Germany (66.2). It's also hilarious that they complain about the slow "Brussels' vaccine programme" when Belgium is sitting pretty at 73.9% vaccinated.

Perhaps the Daily Fail is looking at overall EU vaccination rate which is appreciably lower than the UK's. Of course, that requires you to conveniently ignore that the lower EU vaccination rate is largely due to the eastern European countries. Moreover, a cursory analysis of those nations shows that they've got generally far higher vaccination rates than their non-EU neighbors. Just compare Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and even Romania (lowest is 30.7) to Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, and Russia (highest is 33.2).

The rest of the EU has caught up with the UK, but with a vaccine in a pandemic time was of the essence, and the UK was way way ahead of the rest of the EU for a long time.

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Remember the EU threatening to sue the UK to get some of our vaccine? Why would they do that unless we were way ahead of them? Even Guy Verhofstad, hardly a Brexit fan, said he'd read the contracts and the UK just did a far better job.

Look at the figures back in April.
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Saying "Well the EU has caught up now" is a bit like saying someone turned up with lifeboats a week after the Titanic sank. At the start of the year every day mattered, and the UK was months ahead of the EU.

bertor_vidas: Not to mention the completely ludicrous projection of 6.5% growth for 2021. The last time the UK sniffed that level of growth, the OPEC oil crisis was just around the corner (funny considering their recent problems). And you expect me to believe that with their recent inability to properly stock literally everything they're going to grow at 6.5%?

The IMF forecast 6.8%.

The UK had a generous furlough scheme. Lots of people were paid when off work. Those payments are now ending and those people are going back to work. Of course the economy is going to grow fast. Because last year it had a huge fall in GDP. Why wouldn't it bounce back?


That thing you do over Brexit....that's got to be like a full time job right?
I have never ever seen anyone anywhere put that much effort into a single issue.
 
2021-10-27 10:40:04 PM  

Xai: I remember consistently saying we were going to lose around 10% so I feel that I was pretty much on the money with that and I recall you bashing me every time and telling me everything was going to be fantastic - am I wrong?


Covid happened.  Until Covid were were nowhere close to anything remotely near to your 10% prediction?

Did you also predict Germany would lose 10% of their GDP? I must have missed that....
 
2021-10-27 10:41:47 PM  

frankb00th: That thing you do over Brexit....that's got to be like a full time job right?
I have never ever seen anyone anywhere put that much effort into a single issue.


I just love being able to say "I told you so".

It's fun. And the more time goes on the more obvious it is that I was right all the time.
 
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2021-10-27 10:45:05 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Xai: I remember consistently saying we were going to lose around 10% so I feel that I was pretty much on the money with that and I recall you bashing me every time and telling me everything was going to be fantastic - am I wrong?

Covid happened.  Until Covid were were nowhere close to anything remotely near to your 10% prediction?

Did you also predict Germany would lose 10% of their GDP? I must have missed that....

2016 GDP: $2,703b
2021 GDP: $3,124b (16% higher)

And here is Germany's GDP for comparison:

2016 GDP: $3,468b
2021 GDP: $4,319b (25% higher)

So yeah... a typical Brexit success story, in the UK's mind.


the difference between 16% and 25% is 9%
 
2021-10-27 11:00:28 PM  

bertor_vidas: I know it's the Daily Fail, but the UK's "world-beating vaccine rollout"? They aren't even the most vaccinated country on their own farking island chain much less in Europe. Ireland sits at 74.9% while the UK (67.8) is sandwiched between France (67.9) and Germany (66.2). It's also hilarious that they complain about the slow "Brussels' vaccine programme" when Belgium is sitting pretty at 73.9% vaccinated.


Very early on the UK was able to secure more vaccines than many other countries, so they were able to ramp up faster initially. British papers used those numbers to crow about how it showed that the UK was so much better off without Europe.  Of course they've been very quiet about the fact that much of the EU has since caught up or surpassed them.
 
2021-10-27 11:07:02 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: frankb00th: That thing you do over Brexit....that's got to be like a full time job right?
I have never ever seen anyone anywhere put that much effort into a single issue.

I just love being able to say "I told you so".


So you never matured past a mental age of about four or so? It is a common trait of conservatives.

It's fun. And the more time goes on the more obvious it is that I was right all the time.

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2021-10-27 11:33:01 PM  

Excelsior: bertor_vidas: I know it's the Daily Fail, but the UK's "world-beating vaccine rollout"? They aren't even the most vaccinated country on their own farking island chain much less in Europe. Ireland sits at 74.9% while the UK (67.8) is sandwiched between France (67.9) and Germany (66.2). It's also hilarious that they complain about the slow "Brussels' vaccine programme" when Belgium is sitting pretty at 73.9% vaccinated.

Very early on the UK was able to secure more vaccines than many other countries, so they were able to ramp up faster initially. British papers used those numbers to crow about how it showed that the UK was so much better off without Europe.  Of course they've been very quiet about the fact that much of the EU has since caught up or surpassed them.


Well, except for that one leaded-tin guy, apparently. Logged out to see what the extra comments were going on about and confirmed my sneaking suspicion.

Anyway, fat lot of good it did them. Despite having the vaccine in quantity earlier than the EU did, the piss poor management of the pandemic throughout by BoJo the Clown has seen the UK suffer more cases and deaths per capita than the EU while also having their economy crash harder than the EU.

And since leaded-tin guy spammed Our World in Data charts, here's a couple more to drive home my counterpoints. They show that case and death counts in the UK have been worse than in the EU as a whole and specifically worse than in most of the UK's peer countries despite 1) the UK's "world-beating vaccine roll out," 2) the UK's far lower median age* (kind of important when dealing with a respiratory pandemic), and 3) those countries getting hit with high caseloads earlier in the pandemic (also bad for death rates, see also: NY).

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/*The UK's median age was 40.5 in 2018 and 40.6 in 2020 compared to 42.9 and 44.0 for the EU, respectively. This actually makes Germany's performance against COVID all the more impressive as their median age of 47.1/47.8 in that time period ranked in the top 5 oldest populations.
//Lockdowns and contact tracing, how do they work?
 
2021-10-27 11:51:23 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: SomeAmerican: UK's GDP, from 2016 (when the Brexit vote happened) to today:

2016 GDP: $2,703b
2021 GDP: $3,124b (16% higher)

And here is Germany's GDP for comparison:

2016 GDP: $3,468b
2021 GDP: $4,319b (25% higher)

So yeah... a typical Brexit success story, in the UK's mind.

Considering that Project Fear claimed we'd be in full recession by the end of 2016 if we voted to leave, just voted, not actually left, with half a million jobs lost, huge tax rises, house prices plummeting etc etc to be only that far behind Germany, but still having grown, after we have actually left, is a great result.

Thanks for posting it!

/Seriously, were there people in America a couple of years after 1776 saying "Our GDP isn't growing as much as it would! Independence was clearly a huge mistake!"?


You are stupid
 
2021-10-27 11:58:19 PM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:
/Seriously, were there people in America a couple of years after 1776 saying "Our GDP isn't growing as much as it would! Independence was clearly a huge mistake!"?

So you're basically saying "All we need is to be left alone for a hundred and seventy years to get our shiat together, then make sure that we're the only country with an industrial base that isn't bombed flat during a world war, and we'll SURELY come out on top!" ?

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2021-10-28 12:14:33 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: frankb00th: That thing you do over Brexit....that's got to be like a full time job right?
I have never ever seen anyone anywhere put that much effort into a single issue.

I just love being able to say "I told you so".

It's fun. And the more time goes on the more obvious it is that I was right all the time.


I'm almost tempted to ask for an autograph.
But not in the good sense.
I admire your candor and respect it however.
So many people hide behind quirky double entendres.
 
2021-10-28 2:16:03 AM  
The reason a higher UK growth is expected is because the economy tanked so hard as a result of covid
 
2021-10-28 3:23:16 AM  

Excelsior: bertor_vidas: I know it's the Daily Fail, but the UK's "world-beating vaccine rollout"? They aren't even the most vaccinated country on their own farking island chain much less in Europe. Ireland sits at 74.9% while the UK (67.8) is sandwiched between France (67.9) and Germany (66.2). It's also hilarious that they complain about the slow "Brussels' vaccine programme" when Belgium is sitting pretty at 73.9% vaccinated.

Very early on the UK was able to secure more vaccines than many other countries, so they were able to ramp up faster initially. British papers used those numbers to crow about how it showed that the UK was so much better off without Europe.  Of course they've been very quiet about the fact that much of the EU has since caught up or surpassed them.


Besides they failed to tell their readers that none of that had anything to do with being out of the EU since at that time they were still bound to all rules EU and still managed to be "faster".
And how they could be faster is another little gem. They started earlier with the rollout because they ignored due diligence, they sped up the process with an emergency permission unlike the other countries who wouldn't want to gamble with their citizens' lives until the vaccine results were satisfactory.
Also they blackmailed the Swedish-British company AstraZeneca to send their doses to the UK first and not to the EU who had contracted them first.
Once things were rolling, the other countries, especially Germany with a comparable population size overtook the UK within months.
 
2021-10-28 6:15:30 AM  
But INFLATION! Not recovery from financial and pandemic collapse.

/time to RICO FOX and break up the corporate media conglomerate
 
2021-10-28 6:32:45 AM  
Carter Pewterschmidt: lies

There's that sweet smell of sewage!  Here for the Daily Fail, absent from the sewage threads...spineless as well, I see.
 
2021-10-28 7:31:24 AM  
Some news from the UK's Office for Budget Responsibility:

Impact of Brexit on economy 'worse than Covid'
 
2021-10-28 9:40:49 AM  

Xai: Carter Pewterschmidt: Xai: I remember consistently saying we were going to lose around 10% so I feel that I was pretty much on the money with that and I recall you bashing me every time and telling me everything was going to be fantastic - am I wrong?

Covid happened.  Until Covid were were nowhere close to anything remotely near to your 10% prediction?

Did you also predict Germany would lose 10% of their GDP? I must have missed that....

2016 GDP: $2,703b
2021 GDP: $3,124b (16% higher)

And here is Germany's GDP for comparison:

2016 GDP: $3,468b
2021 GDP: $4,319b (25% higher)

So yeah... a typical Brexit success story, in the UK's mind.

the difference between 16% and 25% is 9%


But growing 16% is not "losing 10%".

If you have a hundred apples losing 10% would leave you with 90. If you end up with 116 then you have gained 16%, not lost 10%.
 
2021-10-28 9:55:00 AM  

bertor_vidas: Anyway, fat lot of good it did them. Despite having the vaccine in quantity earlier than the EU did, the piss poor management of the pandemic throughout by BoJo the Clown has seen the UK suffer more cases and deaths per capita than the EU while also having their economy crash harder than the EU.


The problem was BoJo followed the advice he was given by scientists. The Cobra panel did not recommend lockdown and they were initially the ones advocating her immunity. Had we locked down a week or two earlier things would have been far better, but that wasn't Boris ignoring his scientists but him listening to his scientists.

The figures you then show then contradict your claim. If Boris did "a piss poor management" then the fact that we ended up with a death rate between Spain and Italy, not far above the EU average, shows clearly something else must have worked very well. That was the vaccine procurement.

The cases graph is misleading because vaccines do not stop people catching Covid but stop them getting really sick and dying. And those figures are high because the UK is doing a lot more testing.

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If we tested fewer people like Italy, Spain and Germany, those cases figures would be a lot lower.
 
2021-10-28 9:56:10 AM  

ferrarious: Carter Pewterschmidt: SomeAmerican: UK's GDP, from 2016 (when the Brexit vote happened) to today:

2016 GDP: $2,703b
2021 GDP: $3,124b (16% higher)

And here is Germany's GDP for comparison:

2016 GDP: $3,468b
2021 GDP: $4,319b (25% higher)

So yeah... a typical Brexit success story, in the UK's mind.

Considering that Project Fear claimed we'd be in full recession by the end of 2016 if we voted to leave, just voted, not actually left, with half a million jobs lost, huge tax rises, house prices plummeting etc etc to be only that far behind Germany, but still having grown, after we have actually left, is a great result.

Thanks for posting it!

/Seriously, were there people in America a couple of years after 1776 saying "Our GDP isn't growing as much as it would! Independence was clearly a huge mistake!"?

You are stupid


Care to explain why? Or is insults all you can do?
 
2021-10-28 9:57:19 AM  

Cormee: The reason a higher UK growth is expected is because the economy tanked so hard as a result of covid


Well duh.

But that also applies to Germany, the USA etc etc.....
 
2021-10-28 10:05:48 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Cormee: The reason a higher UK growth is expected is because the economy tanked so hard as a result of covid

Well duh.

But that also applies to Germany, the USA etc etc.....


No.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5391​8568
 
2021-10-28 10:25:50 AM  

Paddy: Besides they failed to tell their readers that none of that had anything to do with being out of the EU since at that time they were still bound to all rules EU and still managed to be "faster".


So why did no other EU country manage to do as well? Why did Guy Verhofstadt say he'd read the contracts and the UK just did a far better job?

Any other country in the EU could have done the same. But EU political pressure meant they were all pressured into letting the EU run a centralised procurement scheme, even Germany who had negotiated deals but gave them up to join the EU scheme.

Being out of the EU gave the UK the freedom to dismiss that pressure to join that scheme, despite many Remainers here saying we were stupid not to join.  Many said it was driven by Brexit and would end in disaster.

Paddy: And how they could be faster is another little gem. They started earlier with the rollout because they ignored due diligence, they sped up the process with an emergency permission unlike the other countries who wouldn't want to gamble with their citizens' lives until the vaccine results were satisfactory.


Cite? The US started vaccinations long before the vaccines were "officially" approved. The Pfizer vaccine was only approved two months ago. The first British person to be vaccinated was Margaret Keenan, and she got the American/Germany Pfizer vaccine. The US FDA gave emergency approve three days later.

Paddy: Also they blackmailed the Swedish-British company AstraZeneca to send their doses to the UK first and not to the EU who had contracted them first.


Every part of that sentence is false.

The only reason AstraZenica had a vaccine at all is because the UK government was the one to get them to sign a deal with Oxford who had developed the vaccine.
Oxford had agreed a deal with US company Merck, but the UK government was worried then President Trump would block exports to the UK and asked for assurances. Not getting them he vetoe'd the deal and called AstraZenica. They agreed a deal and the UK gave immediate funding to set up production in return for guaranteed supply, months before the EU agreed a deal.

It was the UK government that got AstraZenica and Oxford together in the first place!

Even Guy Verhofstadt said the UK had just negotiated a better deal.
 
2021-10-28 10:32:17 AM  

Cormee: Carter Pewterschmidt: Cormee: The reason a higher UK growth is expected is because the economy tanked so hard as a result of covid

Well duh.

But that also applies to Germany, the USA etc etc.....

No.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5391​8568


An article from August last year? Showing the UK GDP fell 20% in Q2 2020?

The US GDP fell 31.2% in Q2 2020.
 
2021-10-28 10:37:01 AM  
Interesting reading the threads about the Dems trying to get their recovery bill through and being blocked and dropping parts of it, while her we have a Conservative government raising minimum wage, giving more money to poorer people on benefits, helping struggling retailers, more money for the NHS and so on.
 
2021-10-28 11:07:40 AM  
 
2021-10-28 11:22:06 AM  

PunGent: Carter Pewterschmidt: more lies

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Care to point out what I said what is incorrect?

Because if you can't then the only reasonable conclusion is that I am right.
 
2021-10-28 11:35:10 AM  

Xai: Why don't you look at the graphs and I think even you will be insulted by this gaslighting article.

Germany expects to exceed GDP prior to the pandemic within a year, the UK doesn't even expect to come close in the most optimistic projection. (right there on their graphs)


You haven't responded to my reply and the graph that shows the UK is forecast to react pre pandemic GDP at the end of this year.

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You told me to look at the graph and said the UK "didn't even come close" when it actually reaches that in a couple of months.

Did you misread the graph? You were looking at the green line, weren't you?
 
2021-10-28 6:04:41 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: yet more lies



And now for something not from the Daily Fail:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/​2​021/oct/28/brexit-worse-for-the-uk-eco​nomy-than-covid-pandemic-obr-says

Brexit = man-made plague.

/calling BoJo a man is a stretch, I know
 
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