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2021-10-27 12:22:04 PM  
So was he sullen, sad sack Cage or I'M OUT OF MY FARKING MIND! Cage?
 
2021-10-27 2:46:03 PM  

Mugato: So was he sullen, sad sack Cage or I'M OUT OF MY FARKING MIND! Cage?


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2021-10-27 3:26:07 PM  

Dr.Fey: Mugato: So was he sullen, sad sack Cage or I'M OUT OF MY FARKING MIND! Cage?

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Black Friday's pretty wild in the Cage household.
 
2021-10-27 3:28:27 PM  
Yeah, you want your armorer to be posing with the weapons she's supposed to be in charge of like a gangster trying to look cool. My dad always taught me: take the weapon seriously, and nothing will happen. If not, well, we saw what happens.
 
2021-10-27 3:35:12 PM  
This clearly happened because Nicholas Cage can't act.
 
2021-10-27 3:36:42 PM  

DoughyGuy: Yeah, you want your armorer to be posing with the weapons she's supposed to be in charge of like a gangster trying to look cool. My dad always taught me: take the weapon seriously, and nothing will happen. If not, well, we saw what happens.


I was going to go more along the lines of it looks like he's posing for Glamour Shots outside of Comic-Con.
 
2021-10-27 3:43:09 PM  
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yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?
 
2021-10-27 3:52:34 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?


I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.
 
2021-10-27 3:54:42 PM  

rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.


Guns in general, not specifically shotguns I'm not sure why I typed that. Too bad this website doesn't have an edit function.
 
2021-10-27 3:57:12 PM  

DoughyGuy: Yeah, you want your armorer to be posing with the weapons she's supposed to be in charge of like a gangster trying to look cool. My dad always taught me: take the weapon seriously, and nothing will happen. If not, well, we saw what happens.


She's just too young and without experience. If you're going to have a 24 year old armorer, you want her to post pictures like this on the internet:

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Not this:

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And it's not because she's a woman, either. if the armorer had been a man whose instagram was full of pictures like this:

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I'd still say "well, there's your problem."
 
2021-10-27 3:58:29 PM  

rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.


Correct me if I'm wrong but if nothing else it seems like you could fark up your back holding it that way and leaning that way...
 
2021-10-27 3:59:49 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?


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2021-10-27 4:15:38 PM  
Meh, the safety expert is only at fault if they are allowed to do their job but failed.

She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.

If she was the one who left the guns out on a cart, well, that is bad... they should have been locked up. But the assistant director knew that he was breaking safety regulations when he grabbed the guns off the cart without the armorer. And eveyone else involved knew that safety regulations were being ignored when the assistant director passed out the gun without the armorer present.

Her role is that they cut her out and tried to do the work without her, and she didn't somehow stop them.

It seems to me that she really dodged a bullet on this.
 
2021-10-27 4:17:28 PM  

WhippingBoi: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

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Minus the casting couch, of course. The question is, how did she keep getting work?

How do production teams do background/employment checks on key staff?  That is the issue that needs solution and reprimand.
 
2021-10-27 4:19:44 PM  
And the Santa Fe Sheriff announced this afternoon that they pulled a lead projectile out of the director's shoulder.

Means either 1. An incident like the "dummy round" piece that got lodged in the gun on "The Crow" set that a blank pushed out, or 2. There was a real bullet left in the gun that nobody caught.
 
2021-10-27 4:21:25 PM  

Lsherm: DoughyGuy: Yeah, you want your armorer to be posing with the weapons she's supposed to be in charge of like a gangster trying to look cool. My dad always taught me: take the weapon seriously, and nothing will happen. If not, well, we saw what happens.

She's just too young and without experience. If you're going to have a 24 year old armorer, you want her to post pictures like this on the internet:

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I don't know if she is supposed to be standing post there or what but that ridiculous knife (among other things present and not present) makes it just as laughable as the other photos, just in a different way.
 
2021-10-27 4:25:15 PM  

Captain Shaky: It seems to me that she really dodged a bullet on this.


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2021-10-27 4:25:50 PM  

Captain Shaky: Meh, the safety expert is only at fault if they are allowed to do their job but failed.

She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.

If she was the one who left the guns out on a cart, well, that is bad... they should have been locked up. But the assistant director knew that he was breaking safety regulations when he grabbed the guns off the cart without the armorer. And eveyone else involved knew that safety regulations were being ignored when the assistant director passed out the gun without the armorer present.

Her role is that they cut her out and tried to do the work without her, and she didn't somehow stop them.

It seems to me that she really dodged a bullet on this.


According to the initial police affidavit, she was on the set and even removed the spent casing for police.
Also, if she was letting people take the guns out to target shoot during downtime, that's also very bad.

As I mentioned, that wasn't a blank fragment that hit the DP and the director, it was a real piece of lead, meaning it was either a dummy round or a real bullet. And given the industry rules, which may have spurred the camera crew walkout, there weren't supposed to be any functioning bullets on set to put into the gun.
 
2021-10-27 4:29:42 PM  

WoodyHayes: Lsherm: DoughyGuy: Yeah, you want your armorer to be posing with the weapons she's supposed to be in charge of like a gangster trying to look cool. My dad always taught me: take the weapon seriously, and nothing will happen. If not, well, we saw what happens.

She's just too young and without experience. If you're going to have a 24 year old armorer, you want her to post pictures like this on the internet:

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I don't know if she is supposed to be standing post there or what but that ridiculous knife (among other things present and not present) makes it just as laughable as the other photos, just in a different way.


Well she's not a US soldier, I just grabbed the image off the intarwebs. Maybe wherever she serves has different requirements.
 
2021-10-27 4:36:23 PM  

rummonkey: it sounds like she is was coasting off of that name


FTFY.
 
2021-10-27 4:41:13 PM  

Lsherm: WoodyHayes: Lsherm: DoughyGuy: Yeah, you want your armorer to be posing with the weapons she's supposed to be in charge of like a gangster trying to look cool. My dad always taught me: take the weapon seriously, and nothing will happen. If not, well, we saw what happens.

She's just too young and without experience. If you're going to have a 24 year old armorer, you want her to post pictures like this on the internet:

[Fark user image 600x800]

I don't know if she is supposed to be standing post there or what but that ridiculous knife (among other things present and not present) makes it just as laughable as the other photos, just in a different way.

Well she's not a US soldier, I just grabbed the image off the intarwebs. Maybe wherever she serves has different requirements.


Sorry there, that came off more like a shot than intended.
 
2021-10-27 4:49:08 PM  
If Nicholas Cage is more responsible than the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set, then there's something wrong with the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set.
 
2021-10-27 4:52:21 PM  

Lsherm: Well she's not a US soldier


WoodyHayes: that


I was actually trying to figure out the fringed pennant flag that ends with taña...
 
2021-10-27 4:52:43 PM  

DuneClimber: If Nicholas Cage is more responsible than the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set, then there's something wrong with the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set.


He's an insane actor, but there are relatively few stories of him acting like an ass on set. With the sheer number of films he does per year, he must be pretty professional.
 
2021-10-27 5:03:02 PM  

Dr.Fey: Lsherm: Well she's not a US soldier

WoodyHayes: that

I was actually trying to figure out the fringed pennant flag that ends with taña...


She is wearing a BDU which helps to do the equivalent of knocking a fair portion of countries down for our little version of Guess Who?, not that it'd matter much when poking around but it looks to be of the summer variety.
 
2021-10-27 5:05:42 PM  

omgwtfetc: This clearly happened because Nicholas Cage can't act.


Cage acts exactly as much as the director asks him to. Lazy directors get a lazy performance.
 
2021-10-27 5:12:56 PM  

WoodyHayes: our little version of Guess Who?


Another potential clue:

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2021-10-27 5:15:02 PM  
Ah.  Peru.

Should have just right clicked to begin with, but it does sort of take the fun out of the investigation.
 
2021-10-27 5:21:54 PM  

Iworkformsn: rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if nothing else it seems like you could fark up your back holding it that way and leaning that way...


No but you can have the shotgun land 5 feet behind you.
 
2021-10-27 5:22:12 PM  

Lsherm: DuneClimber: If Nicholas Cage is more responsible than the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set, then there's something wrong with the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set.

He's an insane actor, but there are relatively few stories of him acting like an ass on set. With the sheer number of films he does per year, he must be pretty professional.


He can't afford to be branded as difficult.
 
2021-10-27 5:51:52 PM  

Iworkformsn: rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if nothing else it seems like you could fark up your back holding it that way and leaning that way...


The gun is to large for the shooter. If he or she stood up straight, the barrel would be pointing at the ground.
 
2021-10-27 5:55:50 PM  

Captain Shaky: Meh, the safety expert is only at fault if they are allowed to do their job but failed.


Yep, sounds like having two armorers on the production and at least one on set at all times would have been better practice.
 
2021-10-27 6:35:05 PM  

Captain Shaky: She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.


Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the "Rust" film, told a detective that the day Alec Baldwin fatally shot the movie's cinematographer, she had checked dummy rounds and ensured they were not "hot," according to an affidavit released on Wednesday. When the crew took a break for lunch, she told the detective, the ammunition was left out on a cart on the set.

Dummy rounds contain no gun powder or primer cap; they are simply used as stand-ins for real bullets on camera.

It was Ms. Gutierrez-Reed who had set up a gray two-tiered cart outside the set from which Dave Halls, the assistant director, took the firearm and handed it to Mr. Baldwin just before the shooting, according to court papers.

On the day of the shooting, the crew had been rehearsing a scene, then broke for lunch before returning to that scene. Ms. Gutierrez-Reed told the detective that at the start of the lunch break, the firearms were secured inside a safe on a "prop truck." During that time, she said that ammunition was kept in the truck as well as on a cart on set, where they were "not secured," according to the affidavit.

She was there.
 
2021-10-27 6:40:39 PM  
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You can trust her, she's a "professional"
 
2021-10-27 6:42:37 PM  
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Sadly sums it up.
 
2021-10-27 6:52:45 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Captain Shaky: She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the "Rust" film, told a detective that the day Alec Baldwin fatally shot the movie's cinematographer, she had checked dummy rounds and ensured they were not "hot," according to an affidavit released on Wednesday. When the crew took a break for lunch, she told the detective, the ammunition was left out on a cart on the set.

Dummy rounds contain no gun powder or primer cap; they are simply used as stand-ins for real bullets on camera.

It was Ms. Gutierrez-Reed who had set up a gray two-tiered cart outside the set from which Dave Halls, the assistant director, took the firearm and handed it to Mr. Baldwin just before the shooting, according to court papers.

On the day of the shooting, the crew had been rehearsing a scene, then broke for lunch before returning to that scene. Ms. Gutierrez-Reed told the detective that at the start of the lunch break, the firearms were secured inside a safe on a "prop truck." During that time, she said that ammunition was kept in the truck as well as on a cart on set, where they were "not secured," according to the affidavit.

She was there.


That is not what being there means.

She wasn't supervising the handling of the guns.

And that would be productions fault. Not hers.

Even if she was supposed to be there doing her job, but wandered off for some reason instead (this does not sound even remotely plausable), then it still meant that the AD took guns off the cart without her supervision. We know she was not in the building with Alec Baldwin. She was not there doing her job. And it appears that they told her not to (possibly something about Covid restrictions). But just being somewhere around and possibly nearby-ish does not equal supervising gun safety.

Her not supervising gun safety is a production issue.
 
2021-10-27 6:56:54 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?


What's the splash shield for?
 
2021-10-27 7:02:36 PM  

rummonkey: rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.

Guns in general, not specifically shotguns I'm not sure why I typed that. Too bad this website doesn't have an edit function.


They do. It's called 'preview'.
 
2021-10-27 7:10:28 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Iworkformsn: rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if nothing else it seems like you could fark up your back holding it that way and leaning that way...

No but you can have the shotgun land 5 feet behind you.


My initial thought was dislocated shoulder.
 
2021-10-27 7:16:24 PM  

Iworkformsn: rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if nothing else it seems like you could fark up your back holding it that way and leaning that way...


Your shoulder is going to hurt like a mother, the gun is probably going to fly out of your hands and possibly damage something behind it because it's not exactly like they are on a dedicated range of any kind, you are going to scare the hell out of the person learning how to shoot and then you have to undo that damage before you can teach them properly. I wouldn't hire her as a runner for a production company much less an armorer.

The closest thing we would ever ever get to gun range hijinks would be to slip a deer slug in the middle of a bunch of bird shot for someone who was practicing for the day. The only thing that is going to do is kick harder and give us all a laugh.

The fact that this person had no problem plinking cans with live ammo using the exact same gun earlier that day on set should be terrifying to anybody who might be thinking of hiring her.

The actors should behave with a certain amount of professionalism around Firearms (and by all accounts so far that's exactly how it went for Alec), but you as the armorer are supposed to be setting the example and making sure that mistakes like this cannot happen.
 
2021-10-27 7:20:54 PM  

Captain Shaky: Red Shirt Blues: Captain Shaky: She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the "Rust" film, told a detective that the day Alec Baldwin fatally shot the movie's cinematographer, she had checked dummy rounds and ensured they were not "hot," according to an affidavit released on Wednesday. When the crew took a break for lunch, she told the detective, the ammunition was left out on a cart on the set.

Dummy rounds contain no gun powder or primer cap; they are simply used as stand-ins for real bullets on camera.

It was Ms. Gutierrez-Reed who had set up a gray two-tiered cart outside the set from which Dave Halls, the assistant director, took the firearm and handed it to Mr. Baldwin just before the shooting, according to court papers.

On the day of the shooting, the crew had been rehearsing a scene, then broke for lunch before returning to that scene. Ms. Gutierrez-Reed told the detective that at the start of the lunch break, the firearms were secured inside a safe on a "prop truck." During that time, she said that ammunition was kept in the truck as well as on a cart on set, where they were "not secured," according to the affidavit.

She was there.

That is not what being there means.

She wasn't supervising the handling of the guns.

And that would be productions fault. Not hers.

Even if she was supposed to be there doing her job, but wandered off for some reason instead (this does not sound even remotely plausable), then it still meant that the AD took guns off the cart without her supervision. We know she was not in the building with Alec Baldwin. She was not there doing her job. And it appears that they told her not to (possibly something about Covid restrictions). But just being somewhere around and possibly nearby-ish does not equal supervising gun safety.

Her not supervising gun safety is a production issue.


Interesting. So, what you're saying is that if the person in charge of gun safety allows live ammunition on a set, places a gun loaded with live ammunition in a place where prop guns are being staged and used by actors, doesn't inform anyone, and walks away, she isn't responsible because she wasn't physically present when the gun was fired?
 
2021-10-27 7:22:49 PM  

Captain Shaky: Meh, the safety expert is only at fault if they are allowed to do their job but failed.

She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.

If she was the one who left the guns out on a cart, well, that is bad... they should have been locked up. But the assistant director knew that he was breaking safety regulations when he grabbed the guns off the cart without the armorer. And eveyone else involved knew that safety regulations were being ignored when the assistant director passed out the gun without the armorer present.

Her role is that they cut her out and tried to do the work without her, and she didn't somehow stop them.

It seems to me that she really dodged a bullet on this.


Is the safety expert you are referring to the same person we are seeing pose as the armorer in this thread?
 
2021-10-27 7:26:48 PM  

Dr.Fey: Lsherm: Well she's not a US soldier

WoodyHayes: that

I was actually trying to figure out the fringed pennant flag that ends with taña...


I tried it to do the same thing, but if that is a regimental flag then good luck.
 
2021-10-27 7:28:47 PM  

skybird659: rummonkey: rummonkey: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [Fark user image image 600x800]

yeah if that is your "weapons expert" someone is going to get shot.

"Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said she felt nervous about being head armorer at first due to her lack of experience"

How did she even get the job?

I think her father was an armorer for a long time and it sounds like she is coasting off of that name.

As far as that picture is concerned, I've taught people how to fire shotguns and we don't even put a shell in the thing if that's how the person I'm trying to teach is standing. We figure that part out first.

He was willing to work cheap and the studio wanted to save money. You get what you pay for.

Guns in general, not specifically shotguns I'm not sure why I typed that. Too bad this website doesn't have an edit function.

They do. It's called 'preview'.


fark that, I'm going in dry...
 
2021-10-27 7:50:55 PM  

Lsherm: WoodyHayes: Lsherm: DoughyGuy: Yeah, you want your armorer to be posing with the weapons she's supposed to be in charge of like a gangster trying to look cool. My dad always taught me: take the weapon seriously, and nothing will happen. If not, well, we saw what happens.

She's just too young and without experience. If you're going to have a 24 year old armorer, you want her to post pictures like this on the internet:

[Fark user image 600x800]

I don't know if she is supposed to be standing post there or what but that ridiculous knife (among other things present and not present) makes it just as laughable as the other photos, just in a different way.

Well she's not a US soldier, I just grabbed the image off the intarwebs. Maybe wherever she serves has different requirements.


She looks like she is from one of those places where knife work is nothing short of an art form.
 
2021-10-27 7:59:32 PM  

Lsherm: DuneClimber: If Nicholas Cage is more responsible than the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set, then there's something wrong with the person you've hired to take care of the guns on your set.

He's an insane actor, but there are relatively few stories of him acting like an ass on set. With the sheer number of films he does per year, he must be pretty professional.


I read an interview with him about his acting method.  Really enlightening.  Most current actors use method that's called something like "modernism" where they aim to be as "subdued" or "normal" as possible, whereas his style is based around the actors who were big in the silent picture era, where movement and affectation is more pronounced.

I forget where I read the interview ("Parade" maybe?), but it really made me enjoy his movies so much more.
 
2021-10-27 8:12:29 PM  

Howling Fantods: Captain Shaky: Red Shirt Blues: Captain Shaky: She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the "Rust" film, told a detective that the day Alec Baldwin fatally shot the movie's cinematographer, she had checked dummy rounds and ensured they were not "hot," according to an affidavit released on Wednesday. When the crew took a break for lunch, she told the detective, the ammunition was left out on a cart on the set.

Dummy rounds contain no gun powder or primer cap; they are simply used as stand-ins for real bullets on camera.

It was Ms. Gutierrez-Reed who had set up a gray two-tiered cart outside the set from which Dave Halls, the assistant director, took the firearm and handed it to Mr. Baldwin just before the shooting, according to court papers.

On the day of the shooting, the crew had been rehearsing a scene, then broke for lunch before returning to that scene. Ms. Gutierrez-Reed told the detective that at the start of the lunch break, the firearms were secured inside a safe on a "prop truck." During that time, she said that ammunition was kept in the truck as well as on a cart on set, where they were "not secured," according to the affidavit.

She was there.

That is not what being there means.

She wasn't supervising the handling of the guns.

And that would be productions fault. Not hers.

Even if she was supposed to be there doing her job, but wandered off for some reason instead (this does not sound even remotely plausable), then it still meant that the AD took guns off the cart without her supervision. We know she was not in the building with Alec Baldwin. She was not there doing her job. And it appears that they told her not to (possibly something about Covid restrictions). But just being somewhere around and possibly nearby-ish does not equal supervising gun safety.

Her not supervising gun safety is a production issue.

Interesting. So, what you're saying is that if the person in charge of gun safety allows live ammunition on a set, places a gun loaded with live ammunition in a place where prop guns are being staged and used by actors, doesn't inform anyone, and walks away, she isn't responsible because she wasn't physically present when the gun was fired?


If it turns out it was her planning to leave guns out unlocked, or her fault there was real bullets around, than yeah, that would be bad. I'm not likely to believe that was her idea though. Why would it be? That isn't what armorers do.

But if the production people wanted gun safety, they would have had an armorer supervising the guns. She was the armorer, but the production was clearly NOT using her to supervise gun safety. If they wanted an armorer keeping things safe (as is the way it is supposed to work), then they wouldn't be passing guns out without her.
 
2021-10-27 8:30:20 PM  

rummonkey: Captain Shaky: Meh, the safety expert is only at fault if they are allowed to do their job but failed.

She wasn't even there. So they didn't let her do her job.

If she was the one who left the guns out on a cart, well, that is bad... they should have been locked up. But the assistant director knew that he was breaking safety regulations when he grabbed the guns off the cart without the armorer. And eveyone else involved knew that safety regulations were being ignored when the assistant director passed out the gun without the armorer present.

Her role is that they cut her out and tried to do the work without her, and she didn't somehow stop them.

It seems to me that she really dodged a bullet on this.

Is the safety expert you are referring to the same person we are seeing pose as the armorer in this thread?


Yes.

And her experise is in providing guns to actors that they can pose with, act with, put in their mouths and pull the trigger with. She isn't a trainer at a gun range.

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And actors can do this with (did they even have blanks in Charlie Chaplin's era?)
 
2021-10-27 9:30:55 PM  

Dr.Fey: Ah.  Peru.

Should have just right clicked to begin with, but it does sort of take the fun out of the investigation.


The patch makes it pretty obvious.  That's an Incan Sun design if I've ever seen one, with what looks like a mountain with something (goat? llama?) standing on it.  The sun design alone would pretty much mean Peru, but the sun design with a mountain is almost certainly so.
 
2021-10-27 10:03:03 PM  
Well, looks like they've got their number one scapegoat.

Even though there are still some blaming Alec Baldwin.

Since he's no longer playing trump on SNL it's back to hating him.
 
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