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(NPR)   The latest technique hospitals have invented to pump up their billing? Declaring normal births "emergencies" and charging young families for the use of their "obstetrical emergency departments"   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-10-27 8:17:32 AM  
For-profit healthcare is a cancer.
 
2021-10-27 8:42:09 AM  

dionysusaur: For-profit healthcare is a cancer.


That's not true. As a society we work very hard at curing cancer.

For profit healthcare is more like, well I haven't had coffee yet so I can't think but you get the idea.
 
2021-10-27 8:52:57 AM  

Gubbo: dionysusaur: For-profit healthcare is a cancer.

That's not true. As a society we work very hard at curing cancer.

For profit healthcare is more like, well I haven't had coffee yet so I can't think but you get the idea.


What's that brain disease you get from cat p00p?  The one thar makes you gullible?
 
2021-10-27 8:54:57 AM  
At what point are these actions a crime?
 
2021-10-27 8:55:21 AM  

dionysusaur: Gubbo: dionysusaur: For-profit healthcare is a cancer.

That's not true. As a society we work very hard at curing cancer.

For profit healthcare is more like, well I haven't had coffee yet so I can't think but you get the idea.

What's that brain disease you get from cat p00p?  The one thar makes you gullible?


Toxoplasmosis.

Its a parasite, so fitting.
 
2021-10-27 9:13:11 AM  

wingnut396: dionysusaur: Gubbo: dionysusaur: For-profit healthcare is a cancer.

That's not true. As a society we work very hard at curing cancer.

For profit healthcare is more like, well I haven't had coffee yet so I can't think but you get the idea.

What's that brain disease you get from cat p00p?  The one thar makes you gullible?

Toxoplasmosis.

Its a parasite, so fitting.


Sounds like what I was going for. Thanks
 
2021-10-27 9:15:28 AM  

wingnut396: dionysusaur: Gubbo: dionysusaur: For-profit healthcare is a cancer.

That's not true. As a society we work very hard at curing cancer.

For profit healthcare is more like, well I haven't had coffee yet so I can't think but you get the idea.

What's that brain disease you get from cat p00p?  The one thar makes you gullible?

Toxoplasmosis.

Its a parasite, so fitting.


What a parasite that makes you gullible may look like:
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2021-10-27 9:19:33 AM  
Brainstorming out the list of all the motivations Americans have to have fewer or no children.
- Cost of birthing/healthcare
- Cost of childcare
- Cost of college/post-secondary
- Looming climate disaster
- Excessive time spent working due to low wages
- Lack of access to parental leave
- Lack of vacation time to get preggers

What else?
 
2021-10-27 9:22:12 AM  

kyleaugustus: Brainstorming out the list of all the motivations Americans have to have fewer or no children.
- Cost of birthing/healthcare
- Cost of childcare
- Cost of college/post-secondary
- Looming climate disaster
- Excessive time spent working due to low wages
- Lack of access to parental leave
- Lack of vacation time to get preggers

What else?


Have you seen videos of school board meetings lately?
 
2021-10-27 9:24:12 AM  
Resolution: Wells Salerno eventually threw in the towel and paid the bill.

Wrong choice. The correct answer would be DO NOT PAY THEM ANYTHING. They got enough from the insurance company to cover it, so let them eat the rest.
 
2021-10-27 9:24:16 AM  
    The latest technique American hospitals have invented to pump up their billing?

FTFY.

Us Brits read TFA and thought "Wait, you get a bill after leaving hospital?"
 
2021-10-27 9:33:55 AM  

radbaron: At what point are these actions a crime?


At the point where they begin to affect wealthy Americans.
 
2021-10-27 9:34:10 AM  

wingnut396: kyleaugustus: Brainstorming out the list of all the motivations Americans have to have fewer or no children.
- Cost of birthing/healthcare
- Cost of childcare
- Cost of college/post-secondary
- Looming climate disaster
- Excessive time spent working due to low wages
- Lack of access to parental leave
- Lack of vacation time to get preggers

What else?

Have you seen videos of school board meetings lately?


Oh, and, should in-vitro fertilization be needed, last I heard it ran around $50,000 per attempt.  Probably more by now
 
2021-10-27 9:36:27 AM  
I have a good PPO.  SLEZE Jr. cost $100 to deliver.  SLEZE Jr. Jr. cost $150.  Doesn't matter how the hospital listed it.

/I am ALL in favor of universal health insurance standards matching this standard
//German Healthcare is the model
 
2021-10-27 9:43:01 AM  

sleze: I have a good PPO.  SLEZE Jr. cost $100 to deliver.  SLEZE Jr. Jr. cost $150.  Doesn't matter how the hospital listed it.

/I am ALL in favor of universal health insurance standards matching this standard
//German Healthcare is the model


So is Scandanavia.
 
2021-10-27 10:19:44 AM  

dionysusaur: sleze: I have a good PPO.  SLEZE Jr. cost $100 to deliver.  SLEZE Jr. Jr. cost $150.  Doesn't matter how the hospital listed it.

/I am ALL in favor of universal health insurance standards matching this standard
//German Healthcare is the model

So is Scandanavia.


I remember being at home in Ireland for a recent royal birth, and the news saying how expensive the private medical center that the Royals use was.

And then realized it was probably about half of your average American cost.
 
2021-10-27 10:40:03 AM  
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Just to share my experience : my father has stage-2 throat cancer (although he hasn't smoked since 1976 nor drunk any alcohol since 1991).
He had an emergency operation in a French hospital, to scrape the tumors in his throat and palate. The operation lasted 10 hours. They slip his jaw open, scraped the tumors, replaced the missining tissues in his palate and throat with skin from his arm. He will stay 3 weeks at least in the hospital, in a room all by himself. He will have to later come back as an outpatient, to replace the skin on his arm with skin from his thighs. Then they'll decide which treatment will be needed, hopefully just X-ray treatment and not chemo.

Apart from the gas to come and visit him and the cheap parking (usually 1.5€), the biggest expense is the 29€-a-week rental for the TV.

American healthcare is insance, and most Americans realize that.
 
2021-10-27 10:48:06 AM  

kyleaugustus: Brainstorming out the list of all the motivations Americans have to have fewer or no children.
- Cost of birthing/healthcare
- Cost of childcare
- Cost of college/post-secondary
- Looming climate disaster
- Excessive time spent working due to low wages
- Lack of access to parental leave
- Lack of vacation time to get preggers

What else?


Other people's kids.
 
2021-10-27 10:51:47 AM  

padraig: [Fark user image 227x222]

Just to share my experience : my father has stage-2 throat cancer (although he hasn't smoked since 1976 nor drunk any alcohol since 1991).
He had an emergency operation in a French hospital, to scrape the tumors in his throat and palate. The operation lasted 10 hours. They slip his jaw open, scraped the tumors, replaced the missining tissues in his palate and throat with skin from his arm. He will stay 3 weeks at least in the hospital, in a room all by himself. He will have to later come back as an outpatient, to replace the skin on his arm with skin from his thighs. Then they'll decide which treatment will be needed, hopefully just X-ray treatment and not chemo.

Apart from the gas to come and visit him and the cheap parking (usually 1.5€), the biggest expense is the 29€-a-week rental for the TV.

American healthcare is insance, and most Americans realize that.


And we'll fight to the death to not change it.
 
2021-10-27 10:56:25 AM  

kyleaugustus: Brainstorming out the list of all the motivations Americans have to have fewer or no children.
- Cost of birthing/healthcare
- Cost of childcare
- Cost of college/post-secondary
- Looming climate disaster
- Excessive time spent working due to low wages
- Lack of access to parental leave
- Lack of vacation time to get preggers

What else?


- Lack of paternity leave in any form for fathers
- Lack of paid maternity leave for mothers
- Mothers being fired for having a kid, but because employment is at-will, the cause is always "other" with no explanation
- Zero official holidays for non-government workers
- Insurance tied to employment
- Don't get me started on adoption issues, particularly if you're single or gay
- Dental and vision is wholly isolated from medical, and preventative measures (such as tooth sealing) aren't covered
- Other parents saying in the same breath orders to my kid and, "don't tell my kid what to do!"

/That's all I can immediately think of.
 
2021-10-27 11:04:31 AM  

phoenixdan: padraig: [Fark user image 227x222]

Just to share my experience : my father has stage-2 throat cancer (although he hasn't smoked since 1976 nor drunk any alcohol since 1991).
He had an emergency operation in a French hospital, to scrape the tumors in his throat and palate. The operation lasted 10 hours. They slip his jaw open, scraped the tumors, replaced the missining tissues in his palate and throat with skin from his arm. He will stay 3 weeks at least in the hospital, in a room all by himself. He will have to later come back as an outpatient, to replace the skin on his arm with skin from his thighs. Then they'll decide which treatment will be needed, hopefully just X-ray treatment and not chemo.

Apart from the gas to come and visit him and the cheap parking (usually 1.5€), the biggest expense is the 29€-a-week rental for the TV.

American healthcare is insance, and most Americans realize that.

And we'll fight to the death to not change it.


I'D RATHER DIE THAN LIVE UNDER THE TYRANNY OF SOSHULIZM!!!

/Patriotic coughing noises
 
2021-10-27 11:33:42 AM  

radbaron: At what point are these actions a crime?


When a Senator's child dies.
 
2021-10-27 11:36:37 AM  

padraig: [Fark user image 227x222]

Just to share my experience : my father has stage-2 throat cancer (although he hasn't smoked since 1976 nor drunk any alcohol since 1991).
He had an emergency operation in a French hospital, to scrape the tumors in his throat and palate. The operation lasted 10 hours. They slip his jaw open, scraped the tumors, replaced the missining tissues in his palate and throat with skin from his arm. He will stay 3 weeks at least in the hospital, in a room all by himself. He will have to later come back as an outpatient, to replace the skin on his arm with skin from his thighs. Then they'll decide which treatment will be needed, hopefully just X-ray treatment and not chemo.

Apart from the gas to come and visit him and the cheap parking (usually 1.5€), the biggest expense is the 29€-a-week rental for the TV.

American healthcare is insance, and most Americans realize that.


Look. Do you want healthcare, or do you want to be able to fight 2 consecutive wars on 2 different continents and a war at sea at the same time.

Priorities people.
 
2021-10-27 11:38:09 AM  

padraig: American healthcare is insance, and most Americans realize that.


Sure, but did you hear about these emails?
 
2021-10-27 11:39:07 AM  

wingnut396: padraig: American healthcare is insance, and most Americans realize that.

Sure, but did you hear about these emails?


I wasn't inspired.
 
2021-10-27 11:40:34 AM  
The only part I remember when my wife gave birth was when I went to pay, the nurse wanted to be 100% sure I understood the Czech tradition of the man going to the pub to celebrate while the wife was still in the hospital and to get it done before I needed to come pick them up.

Total hospital bill - $125. She had to pay $15 per night for four nights for the "upgraded" room and I had to pay extra to be in the delivery room at the birth.
 
2021-10-27 11:45:41 AM  
Had something kinda like this happen to a buddy of mine:

In our area there are plenty of urgent care facilities that moved into old Blockbusters, etc, but there recently have been a few slightly larger ones that have been built new or occupy the entirety of a small strip mall  From the outside they look like this:
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....about the size of a large fast food joint.  Anyway, his wife has to take the kid to an urgent care for something minor, stitches, flu, I don't remember what exactly and go to the new, closest one.  They were in and out in under an hour, maybe about 15 minutes at most actually being examined and treated.  Small copay at the time of visit, just like any other urgent care.

Then a couple months later, the big bill.

Oh...that little operation classifies itself as a "General Hospital" (there is apparently an ambulance drop off and a sign that says "Emergency Room" on the other side of the building) and is billing that minor visit as a full-on ER visit totaling around 1k.  He's been fighting it, but I'm sure they get away with it often enough on anyone with good employer insurance coverage when the insurance co pays the balance.
 
2021-10-27 11:46:24 AM  

kyleaugustus: Brainstorming out the list of all the motivations Americans have to have fewer or no children.
- Cost of birthing/healthcare
- Cost of childcare
- Cost of college/post-secondary
- Looming climate disaster
- Excessive time spent working due to low wages
- Lack of access to parental leave
- Lack of vacation time to get preggers

What else?


Banned Commercial - Condoms
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2021-10-27 12:07:12 PM  

Gubbo: Look. Do you want healthcare, or do you want to be able to fight 2 consecutive wars on 2 different continents and a war at sea at the same time.

Priorities people.


I've pointed out several times that a universal healthcare system like the NHS is cheaper than the US system, not more expensive.

If the US had the NHS it could afford to buy more jets and aircraft carriers.
 
2021-10-27 12:21:15 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Look. Do you want healthcare, or do you want to be able to fight 2 consecutive wars on 2 different continents and a war at sea at the same time.

Priorities people.

I've pointed out several times that a universal healthcare system like the NHS is cheaper than the US system, not more expensive.

If the US had the NHS it could afford to buy more jets and aircraft carriers.


Yes but, and bear with me here because it is important, nobody listens to a word you say.
 
2021-10-27 12:31:43 PM  

Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Look. Do you want healthcare, or do you want to be able to fight 2 consecutive wars on 2 different continents and a war at sea at the same time.

Priorities people.

I've pointed out several times that a universal healthcare system like the NHS is cheaper than the US system, not more expensive.

If the US had the NHS it could afford to buy more jets and aircraft carriers.

Yes but, and bear with me here because it is important, nobody listens to a word you say.


If you refuse to listen to facts then that's more your problem than mine....
 
2021-10-27 12:43:17 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Look. Do you want healthcare, or do you want to be able to fight 2 consecutive wars on 2 different continents and a war at sea at the same time.

Priorities people.

I've pointed out several times that a universal healthcare system like the NHS is cheaper than the US system, not more expensive.

If the US had the NHS it could afford to buy more jets and aircraft carriers.

Yes but, and bear with me here because it is important, nobody listens to a word you say.

If you refuse to listen to facts then that's more your problem than mine....


Never change.
 
2021-10-27 12:46:05 PM  
The issue is private equity.  They are aggressively moving into healthcare and we're all going to get screwed.
 
2021-10-27 12:59:44 PM  
The American healthcare system is a hellscape nightmare we can never wake up from.
 
2021-10-27 1:01:36 PM  

Secret Troll Alt: The American healthcare system is a hellscape nightmare we can never wake up from.


Unless you're wealthy. If you have money, it is without a doubt the best healthcare in the world.
 
2021-10-27 1:19:34 PM  
This upcoding sounds like fraud. If this was a Medicare case you could report them to the Office of the Inspector General. Even the threat of calling the OIG is often enough to get hospitals to behave. Many states have similar offices to search for fraud. Check with your state.
 
2021-10-27 2:41:12 PM  

mrmopar5287: Resolution: Wells Salerno eventually threw in the towel and paid the bill.

Wrong choice. The correct answer would be DO NOT PAY THEM ANYTHING. They got enough from the insurance company to cover it, so let them eat the rest.


This. Mrs. Tweedy had a mammogram done, which the insurance paid for in full. The doctor got the pics back and decided they weren't taken that well so she ordered it done again. This time the insurance only paid a part of it and left us with a $600 bill. Screw that - I never paid it - it's not my fault their techs can't do their jobs.
 
2021-10-27 3:08:46 PM  

Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Look. Do you want healthcare, or do you want to be able to fight 2 consecutive wars on 2 different continents and a war at sea at the same time.

Priorities people.

I've pointed out several times that a universal healthcare system like the NHS is cheaper than the US system, not more expensive.

If the US had the NHS it could afford to buy more jets and aircraft carriers.

Yes but, and bear with me here because it is important, nobody listens to a word you say.

If you refuse to listen to facts then that's more your problem than mine....

Never change.


Well, I'm not the one with the problem so....
 
2021-10-27 4:07:18 PM  

mrmopar5287: Resolution: Wells Salerno eventually threw in the towel and paid the bill.

Wrong choice. The correct answer would be DO NOT PAY THEM ANYTHING. They got enough from the insurance company to cover it, so let them eat the rest.


Especially since they overbilled the insurance company so they'd get a reasonable payout in the first place.  They don't charge $20 for an aspirin because they expect to get it, they charge that so they'll actually get the $2 it really cost reimbursed.  If some poor shmuck gets stuck with the other $18, that's a bonus.
 
2021-10-27 4:21:24 PM  

taliesinwi: $2 it really cost


An aspirin costs about 2¢, so I don't know why you think $2 is acceptable.
 
2021-10-27 4:33:32 PM  

mrmopar5287: taliesinwi: $2 it really cost

An aspirin costs about 2¢, so I don't know why you think $2 is acceptable.


I forgot to say "a bottle" or "a package".  The point was the markup, not the actual cost of the item.
 
2021-10-27 6:24:08 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Look. Do you want healthcare, or do you want to be able to fight 2 consecutive wars on 2 different continents and a war at sea at the same time.

Priorities people.

I've pointed out several times that a universal healthcare system like the NHS is cheaper than the US system, not more expensive.

If the US had the NHS it could afford to buy more jets and aircraft carriers.

Yes but, and bear with me here because it is important, nobody listens to a word you say.

If you refuse to listen to facts then that's more your problem than mine....

Never change.

Well, I'm not the one with the problem so....


You have not gotten to the first step toward getting better. You should know that your reputation here is for playing a demented rich-man character from a Seth McFarland show.
 
2021-10-27 7:26:35 PM  

Malenfant: You have not gotten to the first step toward getting better. You should know that your reputation here is for playing a demented rich-man character from a Seth McFarland show.


When you're right you don't care what others think.

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A hundred Farkers keep trying to tell me Brexit was wrong, racist, xenophobic, a disaster etc?

That's their problem. Not mine.

/Also worth pointing out that the comment I made in this thread is in support of universal healthcare. I was pointing out it is a better system and is actually cheaper than the current US system.
 
2021-10-27 8:09:14 PM  
Anyone know why hospitals aren't being sued for upcoding?  It seems straight-up fraudulent.
 
2021-10-27 8:51:30 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Anyone know why hospitals aren't being sued for upcoding?  It seems straight-up fraudulent.


Individuals lack the resources to sue, and in most cases the healthcare companies don't care either because they pay much lower negotiated rates or are able to pass the costs along.  Private Equiy firms realize this and while they can't technically own medical treatment centers, they get around this by saying they're providing administrative services to doctor groups.
 
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