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2021-10-27 8:40:27 AM  
What a great recipe for heads exploding.

Racists would have a hard time explaining why they are SO angry at him.

The team would have a hard time doing anything about it for fear of killing their cash cow.

Too bad Brady don't give a shiat about anyone but himself.
 
2021-10-27 8:52:17 AM  
Tom Brady barely has any thoughts in his head besides "I like being famous".  It's kind of a useless hypothetical.
 
2021-10-27 8:58:06 AM  
What if Kobe Bryant played baseball instead of basketball?
What if Roger Goodell was never commissioner?
What if Donald Trump was a stillborn?
What if my aunt was my uncle?  Would I still have to attend the reunion?

Hypotheticals are nice but they make dirt poor editorial pieces.
 
2021-10-27 9:02:58 AM  

rjakobi: What if Kobe Bryant played baseball instead of basketball?
What if Roger Goodell was never commissioner?
What if Donald Trump was a stillborn?
What if my aunt was my uncle?  Would I still have to attend the reunion?

Hypotheticals are nice but they make dirt poor editorial pieces.


Frowns on your shenanigans.

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/there's also a whole subset of literature on alternate history
 
2021-10-27 9:03:11 AM  
Gonna file this under "if my aunt had wheels she'd be a bicycle."
 
2021-10-27 9:04:16 AM  
I was really hoping they'd continue exploring the Killmonger storyline in the next season, but I guess if their market research says that this is what people want...
 
2021-10-27 9:05:46 AM  
Brady tried to hide it, and New England ignored it/secretly cheered, but he's a supporter of TFG. I think part of the reason why he went to TB was for TFG and Florida.

He tries to keep his politics away from his brand, but if he took a knee for Troops or for the Thin Blue Line or for Baby Jesus, yeah, there would be followers.
 
2021-10-27 9:05:51 AM  
Then Tom Brady would be considered a traitor.  It's the racism they love.  But the black man with big hair just did kill 2 birds with 1 stone for them.
 
2021-10-27 9:10:53 AM  
Well he has more talent than Kaepernick on the field so he would probably still be playing after the knee incident.
 
2021-10-27 9:16:03 AM  

Dafatone: Gonna file this under "if my aunt had wheels she'd be a bicycle."


she doesn't need wheels to be the town bicycle.
 
2021-10-27 9:16:53 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: rjakobi: What if Kobe Bryant played baseball instead of basketball?
What if Roger Goodell was never commissioner?
What if Donald Trump was a stillborn?
What if my aunt was my uncle?  Would I still have to attend the reunion?

Hypotheticals are nice but they make dirt poor editorial pieces.

Frowns on your shenanigans.

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/there's also a whole subset of literature on alternate history


and I thought he looked creepy on the show. eek.
 
2021-10-27 9:23:35 AM  
What if Tebow was named Elbow? Then what?
 
2021-10-27 9:24:10 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Brady tried to hide it, and New England ignored it/secretly cheered, but he's a supporter of TFG. I think part of the reason why he went to TB was for TFG and Florida.

He tries to keep his politics away from his brand, but if he took a knee for Troops or for the Thin Blue Line or for Baby Jesus, yeah, there would be followers.


I don't think Brady even thinks about it that much.  Brady thinks "I like being famous.  Here is a famous person who is on TV a lot.  If I'm friends with him, I will be more famous because of my famous friends."  Brady is a relentless promoter and so is TFG.  That's really what Brady respects about him.
 
2021-10-27 9:25:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: What if Tebow was named Elbow? Then what?


Why won't anyone give Tim Elbow a chance?!  He's got so much heart!  He just needs to go to the Canadian baseball league for a few years and hone his baseball skills!
 
2021-10-27 9:29:39 AM  

Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: What if Tebow was named Elbow? Then what?

Why won't anyone give Tim Elbow a chance?!  He's got so much heart!  He just needs to go to the Canadian baseball league for a few years and hone his baseball skills!


Listen, there's nobody you want in your locker room more than Elbow. A true leader. That's why so many different sports want him in their locker room.
 
2021-10-27 9:30:05 AM  
The people who hate Tom Brady would continue to hate Tom Brady.

The people who love Tom Brady would continue to love Tom Brady.

The people who don't give a shiat about Tom Brady would continue to not give a shiat about Tom Brady.
 
2021-10-27 9:35:03 AM  

Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: What if Tebow was named Elbow? Then what?

Why won't anyone give Tim Elbow a chance?!  He's got so much heart!  He just needs to go to the Canadian baseball league for a few years and hone his baseball skills!


Plus, if Tebow was named Elbow, and had he developed a personal technique-related chronic elbow injury...

"Can't come in to work next week--have surgery to repair my Elbow eblow."
 
2021-10-27 10:00:28 AM  
What if Tom Brady thought about anything besides himself and is football career?
 
2021-10-27 10:03:52 AM  

Rapmaster2000: OtherLittleGuy: Brady tried to hide it, and New England ignored it/secretly cheered, but he's a supporter of TFG. I think part of the reason why he went to TB was for TFG and Florida.

He tries to keep his politics away from his brand, but if he took a knee for Troops or for the Thin Blue Line or for Baby Jesus, yeah, there would be followers.

I don't think Brady even thinks about it that much.  Brady thinks "I like being famous.  Here is a famous person who is on TV a lot.  If I'm friends with him, I will be more famous because of my famous friends."  Brady is a relentless promoter and so is TFG.  That's really what Brady respects about him.


I mean, he had the hat in his locker when it was still kind of a "there's no f*ckin' way this guy will get elected" scenario and didn't really support him publicly after that.

Also, I doubt that played any role in the TB decision; it was definitely about "This is a team with possibly the best WRs in the league, a top-tier TE, great RBs, a good defense, a good coach, and they want to give me everything I've always wanted professionally as far as a voice in personnel and management. Uh, yes, I will go to the place where I can step in and start winning from Day 1 so I look even better and the Patriots look dumb for thinking I couldn't play until I'm 50."
 
2021-10-27 10:13:23 AM  

kdawg7736: Well he has more talent than Kaepernick on the field so he would probably still be playing after the knee incident.


Kaep, Tebow.  Similar but different.  Both bring media attention.  Are they/were they worth dealing with the circus?  No.  If it was Brady, A A Ron, Vick, Pey pey, etc. they would have dealt with it.  At any job there are people that have a total cost of employment that has some negatives that are about things other than work.  If they are worth it employers will deal with the BS.  If they are replaceable with either people of equal value or slightly less employers will take a lesser employee so they don't have to deal with the BS.
 
2021-10-27 10:24:46 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: rjakobi: What if Kobe Bryant played baseball instead of basketball?
What if Roger Goodell was never commissioner?
What if Donald Trump was a stillborn?
What if my aunt was my uncle?  Would I still have to attend the reunion?

Hypotheticals are nice but they make dirt poor editorial pieces.

Frowns on your shenanigans.

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/there's also a whole subset of literature on alternate history


Yes, but in this case the Tom Brady that would kneel during the national anthem to protest police brutality is so different from the Tom Brady in our universe, that the alternate Brady would have a totally different fan base. The people who criticized Kap would have no problem with similar criticism of a kneeling Brady.
 
2021-10-27 10:26:45 AM  

SpectroBoy: What a great recipe for heads exploding.

Racists would have a hard time explaining why they are SO angry at him.

The team would have a hard time doing anything about it for fear of killing their cash cow.

Too bad Brady don't give a shiat about anyone but himself.


You had me until this line.  Then you made an ass out of your entire argument.
None of the other 1,695 players in the NFL did anything either.

I don't make political statements at my job.  It doesn't mean I don't care about others.
 
2021-10-27 10:30:53 AM  

IAmRight: Also, I doubt that played any role in the TB decision; it was definitely about "This is a team with possibly the best WRs in the league, a top-tier TE, great RBs, a good defense, a good coach, and they want to give me everything I've always wanted professionally as far as a voice in personnel and management. Uh, yes, I will go to the place where I can step in and start winning from Day 1 so I look even better and the Patriots look dumb for thinking I couldn't play until I'm 50."


Totally agree on that.  Tampa was a great situation besides getting a chance to show that the Pats look dumb for passing on me and going with (checks notes) Cam Newton?!
 
2021-10-27 10:38:31 AM  
If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike.
 
2021-10-27 10:51:28 AM  
Hey, what about Drew Bledsoe?
 
2021-10-27 11:00:57 AM  
I think I have always liked Kaep better than Brady.  and I watched him dismantle my team over and over, so I really dont like Kaep.
 
2021-10-27 11:01:58 AM  
There's no doubt in my mind that there is a substantial race component when it comes to Kaepernick, so we'll lead with that. But there's also a flag fetishist component that I think would transcend the race issue. It's a weird, creepy view that the flag is the physical embodiment of the nation, that soldiers died "for the flag," and that anything but quasi-religious ritual surrounding the flag is deeply disrespectful, borderline blasphemy. I think a vast majority of those offended by Kaepernick would have been offended by anyone doing it.  Kaepernick being Black is just icing on the cake for people looking for an excuse to find something wrong with "them" and what "they" do. I think Brady would have been excoriated had he led the charge.

I also think Brady would have kept his job despite the controversy. He's a far better quarterback than Kaepernick. Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.
 
2021-10-27 11:03:51 AM  
I dunno. People love to find any reason to hate on Brady so I'm sure there would have been backlash.
Would he be out of the league? No. But I'm sure he would have gotten a bunch of crap for it.
 
2021-10-27 11:17:04 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Brady tried to hide it, and New England ignored it/secretly cheered, but he's a supporter of TFG. I think part of the reason why he went to TB was for TFG and Florida.

He tries to keep his politics away from his brand, but if he took a knee for Troops or for the Thin Blue Line or for Baby Jesus, yeah, there would be followers.


Didn't it come out that Brady's 1st choice was San Francisco but they said no? It was then he decided on Tampa?

I honestly don't really remembering too many teams beating down the door to sign him. He wasn't going to play for a rebuild/bad team so his choices at the time were very limited to teams who already had younger starting QB's.
 
2021-10-27 11:26:12 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Tom Brady barely has any thoughts in his head besides "I like being famous".  It's kind of a useless hypothetical.


To be fair, he's got lots of smart things to say... but only about football. His opinions on rule changes are counterintuitive (he's critical of rules that benefit him and other QBs).
 
2021-10-27 11:28:37 AM  

lizyrd: There's no doubt in my mind that there is a substantial race component when it comes to Kaepernick, so we'll lead with that. But there's also a flag fetishist component that I think would transcend the race issue. It's a weird, creepy view that the flag is the physical embodiment of the nation, that soldiers died "for the flag," and that anything but quasi-religious ritual surrounding the flag is deeply disrespectful, borderline blasphemy. I think a vast majority of those offended by Kaepernick would have been offended by anyone doing it.  Kaepernick being Black is just icing on the cake for people looking for an excuse to find something wrong with "them" and what "they" do. I think Brady would have been excoriated had he led the charge.

I also think Brady would have kept his job despite the controversy. He's a far better quarterback than Kaepernick. Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.


I think there's a timeline where Kaepernick survives. The Niners were a godawful mess at the time, with no o-line, awful receivers, terrible playcalling, and a pretty good running back I guess.

If the team were functional at the time, there's some chance Kaep succeeds while protesting, and who knows from there.
 
2021-10-27 11:29:35 AM  

lizyrd: There's no doubt in my mind that there is a substantial race component when it comes to Kaepernick, so we'll lead with that. But there's also a flag fetishist component that I think would transcend the race issue. It's a weird, creepy view that the flag is the physical embodiment of the nation, that soldiers died "for the flag," and that anything but quasi-religious ritual surrounding the flag is deeply disrespectful, borderline blasphemy....


It's idolatry.  The fact that a large number of people who have this attitude are members of a religion that prohibits this very behavior only makes it even more twisted.
 
2021-10-27 11:32:29 AM  
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2021-10-27 11:35:35 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Brady tried to hide it, and New England ignored it/secretly cheered, but he's a supporter of TFG. I think part of the reason why he went to TB was for TFG and Florida.


Look, when your golfing buddy handles a global plague so badly it keeps the O-line from your better SB opponent from lining up, you stay grateful.
 
2021-10-27 11:35:41 AM  
Trumpets and white supremacists if TB12 kneeled for BLM:

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2021-10-27 11:38:07 AM  

abhorrent1: I dunno. People love to find any reason to hate on Brady so I'm sure there would have been backlash.
Would he be out of the league? No. But I'm sure he would have gotten a bunch of crap for it.


Oh yea, so much THIS.

I can *totally* picture liberals, progressive activists and the BLM crowds criticizing Brady as being opportunistic.

Or TB kneeling being a case of "white savior" syndrome.
 
2021-10-27 11:39:11 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: /there's also a whole subset of literature on alternate history


Yes.  Good fiction.  Poor editorial pieces.  I'd much rather read a short story on Tim Elbow rather than have some fluff piece on what might happen if there WAS a Tim Elbow.
 
2021-10-27 11:43:58 AM  

Dafatone: lizyrd: There's no doubt in my mind that there is a substantial race component when it comes to Kaepernick, so we'll lead with that. But there's also a flag fetishist component that I think would transcend the race issue. It's a weird, creepy view that the flag is the physical embodiment of the nation, that soldiers died "for the flag," and that anything but quasi-religious ritual surrounding the flag is deeply disrespectful, borderline blasphemy. I think a vast majority of those offended by Kaepernick would have been offended by anyone doing it.  Kaepernick being Black is just icing on the cake for people looking for an excuse to find something wrong with "them" and what "they" do. I think Brady would have been excoriated had he led the charge.

I also think Brady would have kept his job despite the controversy. He's a far better quarterback than Kaepernick. Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.

I think there's a timeline where Kaepernick survives. The Niners were a godawful mess at the time, with no o-line, awful receivers, terrible playcalling, and a pretty good running back I guess.

If the team were functional at the time, there's some chance Kaep succeeds while protesting, and who knows from there.


Why wasn't Kaep protesting when the team wasn't a mess?  They were in the Super Bowl.

It's all relative.  His story needs to be told (and something is supposedly coming out soon), because the details about being fostered or adopted, raised by white parents, and eventually at some point facing the reality of being different and treated differently, then eventually deciding to do something about it is unique.

/I do believe in his cause and I believe he believes in it, but I still think he accidentally fell upward into it as a malcontent who was about to be released by his team.
 
2021-10-27 11:47:24 AM  
And I think Brady is obsessive about football and boring.  I don't think he wants to think about anything except the defense of the next team he's playing.
Like, I really think he has an OCD reaction between March and August and TB12 is a dumb project someone dumped on him to stop him from bothering other people about football.
 
2021-10-27 11:52:35 AM  
If there was a complex sci-fi story about people who can travel between alternate earths like in Counterpart, that would have been a great alt-history type of thing that could help illustrate the differences between the two timelines.  Or maybe just an offhand joke from the TVA in Loki. I'd accept that, too.
 
2021-10-27 11:57:38 AM  
If we had some eggs, we could have some eggs and bacon, if we had some bacon.
 
2021-10-27 12:09:07 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Dafatone: lizyrd: There's no doubt in my mind that there is a substantial race component when it comes to Kaepernick, so we'll lead with that. But there's also a flag fetishist component that I think would transcend the race issue. It's a weird, creepy view that the flag is the physical embodiment of the nation, that soldiers died "for the flag," and that anything but quasi-religious ritual surrounding the flag is deeply disrespectful, borderline blasphemy. I think a vast majority of those offended by Kaepernick would have been offended by anyone doing it.  Kaepernick being Black is just icing on the cake for people looking for an excuse to find something wrong with "them" and what "they" do. I think Brady would have been excoriated had he led the charge.

I also think Brady would have kept his job despite the controversy. He's a far better quarterback than Kaepernick. Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.

I think there's a timeline where Kaepernick survives. The Niners were a godawful mess at the time, with no o-line, awful receivers, terrible playcalling, and a pretty good running back I guess.

If the team were functional at the time, there's some chance Kaep succeeds while protesting, and who knows from there.

Why wasn't Kaep protesting when the team wasn't a mess?  They were in the Super Bowl.

It's all relative.  His story needs to be told (and something is supposedly coming out soon), because the details about being fostered or adopted, raised by white parents, and eventually at some point facing the reality of being different and treated differently, then eventually deciding to do something about it is unique.

/I do believe in his cause and I believe he believes in it, but I still think he accidentally fell upward into it as a malcontent who was about to be released by his team.


Because people learn things that they didn't know prior to learning them?
 
2021-10-27 12:11:53 PM  
We're talking about someone who sold their own line of quack Covid medicines. He ain't taking a knee for anything.
 
2021-10-27 12:22:54 PM  

lizyrd: Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.


That must be why the NFL agrees to pay Kaep so much to keep their communications out of the public.

Must be why they made sure to seal up EVERYTHING after they offered up Gruden's e-mails to the press.

What team would have wanted Kaep when Mike Glennon, Mitchell Trubisky, Nathan Petermann, and a cadre of other filler QBs were putting up HOF-worthy numbers in his absence?
 
2021-10-27 12:36:44 PM  

Dafatone: Nana's Vibrator: Dafatone: lizyrd: There's no doubt in my mind that there is a substantial race component when it comes to Kaepernick, so we'll lead with that. But there's also a flag fetishist component that I think would transcend the race issue. It's a weird, creepy view that the flag is the physical embodiment of the nation, that soldiers died "for the flag," and that anything but quasi-religious ritual surrounding the flag is deeply disrespectful, borderline blasphemy. I think a vast majority of those offended by Kaepernick would have been offended by anyone doing it.  Kaepernick being Black is just icing on the cake for people looking for an excuse to find something wrong with "them" and what "they" do. I think Brady would have been excoriated had he led the charge.

I also think Brady would have kept his job despite the controversy. He's a far better quarterback than Kaepernick. Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.

I think there's a timeline where Kaepernick survives. The Niners were a godawful mess at the time, with no o-line, awful receivers, terrible playcalling, and a pretty good running back I guess.

If the team were functional at the time, there's some chance Kaep succeeds while protesting, and who knows from there.

Why wasn't Kaep protesting when the team wasn't a mess?  They were in the Super Bowl.

It's all relative.  His story needs to be told (and something is supposedly coming out soon), because the details about being fostered or adopted, raised by white parents, and eventually at some point facing the reality of being different and treated differently, then eventually deciding to do something about it is unique.

/I do believe in his cause and I believe he believes in it, but I still think he accidentally fell upward into it as a malcontent who was about to be released by his team.

Because people learn things that they didn't know prior to learning them?


Kaepernick didn't know racial inequality existed for the first 27 years of his life because the teams were good?

/silly ridiculous reply from me because I think you didn't understand the question.
 
2021-10-27 12:44:38 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: Trumpets and white supremacists if TB12 kneeled for BLM:

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Don't
 
2021-10-27 12:51:57 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Dafatone: Nana's Vibrator: Dafatone: lizyrd: There's no doubt in my mind that there is a substantial race component when it comes to Kaepernick, so we'll lead with that. But there's also a flag fetishist component that I think would transcend the race issue. It's a weird, creepy view that the flag is the physical embodiment of the nation, that soldiers died "for the flag," and that anything but quasi-religious ritual surrounding the flag is deeply disrespectful, borderline blasphemy. I think a vast majority of those offended by Kaepernick would have been offended by anyone doing it.  Kaepernick being Black is just icing on the cake for people looking for an excuse to find something wrong with "them" and what "they" do. I think Brady would have been excoriated had he led the charge.

I also think Brady would have kept his job despite the controversy. He's a far better quarterback than Kaepernick. Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.

I think there's a timeline where Kaepernick survives. The Niners were a godawful mess at the time, with no o-line, awful receivers, terrible playcalling, and a pretty good running back I guess.

If the team were functional at the time, there's some chance Kaep succeeds while protesting, and who knows from there.

Why wasn't Kaep protesting when the team wasn't a mess?  They were in the Super Bowl.

It's all relative.  His story needs to be told (and something is supposedly coming out soon), because the details about being fostered or adopted, raised by white parents, and eventually at some point facing the reality of being different and treated differently, then eventually deciding to do something about it is unique.

/I do believe in his cause and I believe he believes in it, but I still think he accidentally fell upward into it as a malcontent who was about to be released by his team.

Because people learn things that they didn't know prior to learning them?

Kaepernick didn't know racial inequality existed for the first 27 years of his life because the teams were good?

/silly ridiculous reply from me because I think you didn't understand the question.


From what I understand, Kaepernick grew up in a white family and didn't get involved in racial justice issues until later in his life, when he started dating a politically active woman.

I don't mean to suggest that he was unaware of racism or that white families can't be aware of racism. But it became an interest and focus of his after the team was good.
 
2021-10-27 1:39:20 PM  
The number for that What If universe hasn't been calculated let.
 
2021-10-27 2:36:17 PM  
Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer of his time, and he was still shat on when he (rightly) spoke out against the Vietnam War.

Muhammad Ali - On Vietnam, hardships, & The True Opposer & Enemy of Justice
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EyeballKid: lizyrd: Kaepernick's protest cost him his career. Not because he was blackballed by the league or owners, but because while someone could have used him he wasn't good enough to make the controversy worthwhile for a team that might have wanted him otherwise.

That must be why the NFL agrees to pay Kaep so much to keep their communications out of the public.

Must be why they made sure to seal up EVERYTHING after they offered up Gruden's e-mails to the press.

What team would have wanted Kaep when Mike Glennon, Mitchell Trubisky, Nathan Petermann, and a cadre of other filler QBs were putting up HOF-worthy numbers in his absence?


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2021-10-27 2:44:12 PM  
LWT John Oliver's Ode to NFL-Kaepernick (TRB)
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NFL: "Colin Kaepernick's peaceful protests against police brutality are too controversial."

Also NFL: "Welcome back, Antonio Brown!"
 
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