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(Politico)   Union filing for injunction against Southwest Airlines's vaccine mandate told by judge to get lost, vaxxed   (politico.com) divider line
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TWX
2021-10-26 11:55:00 PM  
Good.  The sooner the whiny people face real peril to employment and suck it up and get inoculated, the sooner we're closer to the old normal.
 
2021-10-27 12:28:32 AM  
Goddamn right it is.

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2021-10-27 5:18:04 AM  
Nobody's forcing you to be employed, plague rat
 
2021-10-27 8:32:17 AM  
Judge shopping for a local judge when there's a federal mandate must have been risky -- which is not the word you want to use when talking about airline pilots.
 
2021-10-27 8:37:06 AM  
"Don't make us be healthy!" said dumbasses.
 
2021-10-27 8:40:11 AM  
When pro-plage people leave:

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2021-10-27 8:44:29 AM  
Pilots suing to have the windscreens removed from their planes in 3...2...

Judge, we can make do with olde timey goggle.  They do everything a windscreen can do.
 
2021-10-27 8:47:22 AM  
Translation:

Dad: Here's something you need to do before you can go play with your friends.
Brat: BUT I DON'T WANNA!!!
Dad: Well that's too bad.
Brat: Well I'm going to go ask Mom!
Brat: Mom, dad is making me do something I don't want to do!
Mom: Do what your dad tells you to do or I'll put you in timeout.
Brat: WAAAA!
 
2021-10-27 8:48:00 AM  

BitwiseShift: Judge shopping for a local judge when there's a federal mandate must have been risky -- which is not the word you want to use when talking about airline pilots.


Yeah, but it was in Texas, so odds were good they may find a sympathetic Trumper asshat with a robe.
 
2021-10-27 8:50:04 AM  
So another words, the people that are responsible for the safety of hundreds of people on every flight don't really give a shiat about the safety of hundreds of people on every fight.
 
2021-10-27 8:52:34 AM  
Good. We need to stop treating "not getting the vaccine during an active pandemic" as an acceptable position. Nobody's giving TV interviews with "Lizard People" conspiracy theorists because there's literally nothing to glean from their opinion. Same with antivaxers. Get them off the air and people will stop thinking a pandemic is a matter of opinion.
 
2021-10-27 8:53:37 AM  

bighairyguy: Translation:

Dad: Here's something you need to do before you can go play with your friends.
Brat: BUT I DON'T WANNA!!!
Dad: Well that's too bad.
Brat: Well I'm going to go ask Mom!
Brat: Mom, dad is making me do something I don't want to do!
Mom: Do what your dad tells you to do or I'll put you in timeout.
Brat: WAAAA!


It is more than a little disturbing that you think of and want the government to fill the same role as a parent. Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded". Go ahead and complain like the whiny teenager you apparently view yourself as.
 
2021-10-27 8:53:45 AM  
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2021-10-27 8:57:18 AM  

pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".


You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.
 
2021-10-27 8:58:09 AM  
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/I'm a Chicago firefighter w. 25 years
//most of my male Caucasian Trumpite asshat workers are "resisting" and not reporting in
///I'm 57, not Caucasian, and I'm still amazed at the level of crying being done at my firehouse
////take away their solidly middle class status jobs and see what happens then when the mortgage and the bills are due
//farking crybabies
 
2021-10-27 8:58:23 AM  

Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.


The commenter I was responding to literally described the government as an overbearing parent. In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?
 
2021-10-27 9:02:52 AM  
FTFA: "They argued that the vaccine could have medical side effects that could end a pilot's career."

Yes, and not getting the vaccine could have medical side effects that could end passengers' lives.

Any pilot making this argument does not have the safety of their aircraft or its passengers as their highest priority, and therefore should not be a pilot.
 
2021-10-27 9:03:47 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Good. We need to stop treating "not getting the vaccine during an active pandemic" as an acceptable position. Nobody's giving TV interviews with "Lizard People" conspiracy theorists because there's literally nothing to glean from their opinion. Same with antivaxers. Get them off the air and people will stop thinking a pandemic is a matter of opinion.


See, I think we need to get these people in front of a camera and ask them why they are in favor of keeping the pandemic going, and how long they think we have to wait for a variant that is more communicable and deadly than Delta. Make them defend their pro-virus position.
 
2021-10-27 9:09:46 AM  

pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".


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You regressives are so farking tiring.
 
2021-10-27 9:11:08 AM  

pschwarz0717: In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?


The modern one. It also depends on what type of parental figure you are looking at as well. Some parents take care of their children and do what is best to keep them safe. In that subset there are ones that take that too far, and leash and cage them like animals. On the reverse, some parents just let their children run free range with no consequences. To extend the analogy further, how many children blame their parents for every that has gone wrong in their lives. Much like people like to blame the President for every problem, instead of taking any personal responsibility.
 
2021-10-27 9:11:15 AM  

kobrakai: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

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You regressives are so farking tiring.


I'm not the one who is looking to Biden to fill father figure role. And i think everyone should get vaxxed. I just think that viewing the government as a parent is a stupid and insidious way to think of the government.
 
2021-10-27 9:11:22 AM  

pschwarz0717: Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.

The commenter I was responding to literally described the government as an overbearing parent. In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?


No, the parents I described were not overbearing, they were just doing normal parent stuff.  You're obviously projecting.  Sounds like you need a juice box and a nap.
 
2021-10-27 9:14:19 AM  

Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?

The modern one. It also depends on what type of parental figure you are looking at as well. Some parents take care of their children and do what is best to keep them safe. In that subset there are ones that take that too far, and leash and cage them like animals. On the reverse, some parents just let their children run free range with no consequences. To extend the analogy further, how many children blame their parents for every that has gone wrong in their lives. Much like people like to blame the President for every problem, instead of taking any personal responsibility.


Your parents love you and care for you. Your government makes sure the potholes are filled and that you pay your taxes. Those are not the same role, should never be the same role. This view of the government as a concerned and loving parent is a sick and twisted view of the people running our country, politics aside, do you think Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, Graham etc love you? They don't love anything but power and whatever will give them more of it. Your parents love you, your government uses you. Don't twist the parent child relationship by sullying it with something as gross and dirty as politics.
 
2021-10-27 9:16:58 AM  

bighairyguy: Translation:

Dad: Here's something you need to do before you can go play with your friends.
Brat: BUT I DON'T WANNA!!!
Dad: Well that's too bad.
Brat: Well I'm going to go ask Mom!
Brat: Mom, dad is making me do something I don't want to do!
Mom: Do what your dad tells you to do or I'll put you in timeout.
Brat: WAAAA!


I swear I've actually heard this on the news lately, when they talk about people that don't want the vaccines.  Not the exact words, but the tone, the intent, everything is so similar.


Also, why can't we get a HERO tag for the judge?
 
2021-10-27 9:22:07 AM  

pschwarz0717: Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.

The commenter I was responding to literally described the government as an overbearing parent. In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?


Go look up the word "analogy."

Many people describe the government as being like a parent.

And in the case of these spoiled brats in the article, the analogy is exactly right.  Biden is the "father" as the president, and the federal judge is the "mother."  The brats' "father" told them to do something they didn't want to do, so they went crying to their "mother" to attempt to play the parents off each other.  As should always be the case when kids try to play their parents, the end-run failed.

#MaskMandateNow
#VaccineMandateNow
#VaccinesBringUsCloser
 
2021-10-27 9:22:44 AM  

pschwarz0717: Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.

The commenter I was responding to literally described the government as an overbearing parent. In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?


Government exists to take on functions that private industry and individuals can't or won't take on for themselves, either because the tasks are larger than makes sense to privatize (e.g. having a military, building an interstate highway network) or because they cut against immediate self interest (e.g. regulations designed to ward off the tragedy of the commons).   The government has enforcement authority to back up its role in those areas.

Parents exist to raise their kids, and turn them into functional adults.  A significant component of that is either completing tasks the kids can't or won't finish, or regulating to prevent the kids from engaging in near-term selfish behavior that is long term destructive.   And parents have enforcement tools to back that up.

So in this context, where petulant individuals are acting out of selfish near-term interest that will be collectively destructive and destructive to the individuals in the long term, the government / parent analogy is spot on.  They are serving the same role.

The only difference is that the petulant toddlers have pilots licenses.
 
2021-10-27 9:25:52 AM  

pschwarz0717: Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.

The commenter I was responding to literally described the government as an overbearing parent. In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?


In a world where adults wish to act like bad children without any conseqence.
 
2021-10-27 9:32:11 AM  

Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?

The modern one. It also depends on what type of parental figure you are looking at as well. Some parents take care of their children and do what is best to keep them safe. In that subset there are ones that take that too far, and leash and cage them like animals. On the reverse, some parents just let their children run free range with no consequences. To extend the analogy further, how many children blame their parents for every that has gone wrong in their lives. Much like people like to blame the President for every problem, instead of taking any personal responsibility.


Well, there are some things I blame my parents for.  Mostly for my farked up views on anything to do with emotions or feelings, and mental health, but also some to do with my financial situation (in the past).  You may want to tell me that my financials are all my issue, but to let you know, since my father was a preacher, they INSISTED that I MUST go to a "Christian" college for at least my freshman year.  Now, being someone who is very advanced mathematically and into science/physics, I'll let you know that there are ZERO "Christian" colleges that have that in their curriculum.  So, my parents pretty much forced me to go to a college that contributed almost nothing to my education, take out almost $10k in loans for the year that I was there, and then, while I was in a normal college afterward, refused to allow me to use their financial information for the FAFSA, and I had to drop out of college with only 2 semesters left.  This delayed my degree by several years, and could easily be the reason why I only got financially stable at the age of 35.
So far as my emotional and mental health, my parents had this thing where they showed NO sort of real healthy affection to anyone in public.  Us kids used to joke that we had to have been adopted, because our mother refused to show any affection in public at all, and so there's no way we could believe that we were really theirs. I'm pretty sure we were just "show kids," because it wouldn't look right for a youth minister to not have children with his "healthy and loving spouse."  And when I was struggling with depression, my parents' solution for "help" was to tell me that "I have it better than a lot of people, so I need to just get over it and be happy."
Yeah, there's a reason why I don't really interact with my parents at all anymore.  I'll go up and hang out if my siblings are in town, because I like them.  But I still have issues with showing affection, and even having emotional connection with anything.  I'll get upset in the moment about something, but as soon as I go to another thought, it's done.  That's the end of my emotional attachment to any person, item, animal, or whatever.  Don't expect me to be upset days, weeks, or months later about someone in the family dying, or losing a pet.  I just don't keep attachments that aren't present.  It's sort of like a scar from a cut you didn't notice at first.  Now that you see it, it hurts.  As soon as you forget about it, it's like it never happened.
 
2021-10-27 9:38:50 AM  
I'm starting to suspect these union protest/activists to mask mandates are really just working to bust the unions.

"Make them fire you" when it is clearly obvious that federal contracts can require a workplace to be vaccinated/masked/tested or lose the contract, just seems like a stupid farking hill to die on.

They just had an anti-vaccine rally nearby of UAW and TWU members- about 20k employees represented. Only 100 showed.

Pretty sure the other 19,900 are okay watching those guys walk.
 
2021-10-27 10:34:24 AM  

pschwarz0717: Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.

The commenter I was responding to literally described the government as an overbearing parent. In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?


In a world where otherwise adult human beings keep behaving like whining spoiled toddlers.

I'm as against government overreach as anyone, but when an adult human being with a good job says "I don't wanna get a vaccination that's proven to be safe, I'd rather roll the dice with a disease that's been proven to kill people because I don't like being told what to do," then yeah, the government has to act in loco parentis.

If this was something that only affected the individual person, like what color socks they had to wear, or genuinely impacted their civil rights, like who they could vote for to keep their job, that would be different; but the ONLY reason people don't want to get vaccinated at this point is because they don't like that they're being told they have to. There is no other reason. And since it's a stupid childish reason, they have to be treated like stupid children.
 
2021-10-27 10:45:48 AM  
I'm a pilot (Cessna puddle jumper, not 747) and my Astrazeneca made me unfit to fly for maybe 2 weeks due to odd reactions involving joint pain.  When I say odd, apparently the only case in the country involving something like arthritic pain lasting more than a few hours. I had to talk to the sr doc in charge of the state vax program before I got the 2nd shot of the same vax. He said the next one might be worse but they didn't have data.  I told him I was there for the 1st dose because they had a crash cart, medical gurneys and an ambulance in the parking lot that could go over the road to one of the best equipped hospitals around.  Due to strange allergies I was vax hesitant. I waited until the 2nd day for my age group.  That was based on the fact that allergies are much lower in the older age group and I needed some data before I got the jab. 24 Hrs was enough.

I asked about the crash cart.  Yes, they used it.  Someone at the museum next door had a heart attack. They had other medical issues like the kids doing Parkour.
 
2021-10-27 11:41:53 AM  
i mean, if you don't have the judgment capacity to know to get the vaccine, how the fook does it make any sense for us to PRETEND that person has the mental capacity to fly the dam plane, and deal appropriately in an emergency situaiotn?

Their very behavior in front of us right here, makes it irrational to let them get back in the cockpit again.
 
DVD
2021-10-27 11:43:37 AM  
Unions... Anti-vax is not a pro-worker position.  Much like hopping into bed with the CxOs and doing their bidding against workers.
 
2021-10-27 11:54:40 AM  

thehobbes: I'm starting to suspect these union protest/activists to mask mandates are really just working to bust the unions.

"Make them fire you" when it is clearly obvious that federal contracts can require a workplace to be vaccinated/masked/tested or lose the contract, just seems like a stupid farking hill to die on.

They just had an anti-vaccine rally nearby of UAW and TWU members- about 20k employees represented. Only 100 showed.

Pretty sure the other 19,900 are okay watching those guys walk.


Disney was able to successfully negotiate with several (or all, I haven't followed up yet) of their unions in Florida. Vaccine mandates, seperation for non-compliance. The carrot they offered is a positive re-hire status. So if someone goes and gets vaccinated, they can apply to Disney again and won't be immediately round filed.

This on top of already requiring salary and non-union to vaccinate, as well as all new hires.

And I cannot wait for DeathSentence to try and go against them. Going up against Mickey's legal team is rarely a good idea.
 
2021-10-27 12:26:43 PM  

jclaggett: Disney was able to successfully negotiate with several (or all, I haven't followed up yet) of their unions in Florida. Vaccine mandates, seperation for non-compliance. The carrot they offered is a positive re-hire status. So if someone goes and gets vaccinated, they can apply to Disney again and won't be immediately round filed.


Good to know. I just talked to an editor about his reporter half-assing the story here.

The Union president at the anti-vaccine rally has a letter from their own legal counsel saying that as a federal contractor- they can require it, and OSHA is likely to require it and that the Union should just tell it's members to comply or face job loss.

It was right there on the union page. Instead the reporter went with the president's quote of "I don't think vaccine mandates are legal."

His own legal counsel told him it was. It's one idiot trying to steer thousands into dangerous territory and they didn't check him.
 
2021-10-27 12:36:07 PM  
You are not free to move a deadly virus across the country.
 
2021-10-27 1:15:06 PM  

thehobbes: jclaggett: Disney was able to successfully negotiate with several (or all, I haven't followed up yet) of their unions in Florida. Vaccine mandates, seperation for non-compliance. The carrot they offered is a positive re-hire status. So if someone goes and gets vaccinated, they can apply to Disney again and won't be immediately round filed.

Good to know. I just talked to an editor about his reporter half-assing the story here.

The Union president at the anti-vaccine rally has a letter from their own legal counsel saying that as a federal contractor- they can require it, and OSHA is likely to require it and that the Union should just tell it's members to comply or face job loss.

It was right there on the union page. Instead the reporter went with the president's quote of "I don't think vaccine mandates are legal."

His own legal counsel told him it was. It's one idiot trying to steer thousands into dangerous territory and they didn't check him.


Speaking of federal contracts... I would imagine in a small round about way, they could apply to Disney. At least here in Florida.

Walt Disney World has about half a million square feet of mixed convention, meeting, and expo space spread across 5 resorts. I used to work at the largest, and we would occasionally have various federal groups on site for meetings and such.

Plus, well. Disney is all about PR. And they don't wanna be in the news cycle negatively.

If it weren't for the waste of state dollars, I would *love* to see DeathSentence try and go against them on vaccine mandates.

Going against Mickey's lawyers is rarely a successful endeavor.
 
2021-10-27 3:01:53 PM  
You know who else thought the government was like a parent?

The folks who turned Anne Frank's family in.

Obey and shut up.
 
2021-10-27 3:16:53 PM  

Ben Enya: You know who else thought the government was like a parent?

The folks who turned Anne Frank's family in.

Obey and shut up.


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2021-10-27 5:35:16 PM  

pschwarz0717: Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: Can't wait for you to break a rule you don't agree with and get "grounded".

You mean like breaking a law and going to jail? Yeah, government overreach at it finest.

The commenter I was responding to literally described the government as an overbearing parent. In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?


Metaphors are hard, aren't they? When my heart is about to burst with how cite my puppy is I have to go straight to the hospital. I have quite the medicals bills.
 
2021-10-27 5:59:19 PM  

Rumproast42: Solty Dog: pschwarz0717: In what world is it healthy to view the government as your parent?

The modern one. It also depends on what type of parental figure you are looking at as well. Some parents take care of their children and do what is best to keep them safe. In that subset there are ones that take that too far, and leash and cage them like animals. On the reverse, some parents just let their children run free range with no consequences. To extend the analogy further, how many children blame their parents for every that has gone wrong in their lives. Much like people like to blame the President for every problem, instead of taking any personal responsibility.

Well, there are some things I blame my parents for.  Mostly for my farked up views on anything to do with emotions or feelings, and mental health, but also some to do with my financial situation (in the past).  You may want to tell me that my financials are all my issue, but to let you know, since my father was a preacher, they INSISTED that I MUST go to a "Christian" college for at least my freshman year.  Now, being someone who is very advanced mathematically and into science/physics, I'll let you know that there are ZERO "Christian" colleges that have that in their curriculum.  So, my parents pretty much forced me to go to a college that contributed almost nothing to my education, take out almost $10k in loans for the year that I was there, and then, while I was in a normal college afterward, refused to allow me to use their financial information for the FAFSA, and I had to drop out of college with only 2 semesters left.  This delayed my degree by several years, and could easily be the reason why I only got financially stable at the age of 35.
So far as my emotional and mental health, my parents had this thing where they showed NO sort of real healthy affection to anyone in public.  Us kids used to joke that we had to have been adopted, because our mother refused to show any affection in public at all, and so there's no way we could believe that we were really theirs. I'm pretty sure we were just "show kids," because it wouldn't look right for a youth minister to not have children with his "healthy and loving spouse."  And when I was struggling with depression, my parents' solution for "help" was to tell me that "I have it better than a lot of people, so I need to just get over it and be happy."
Yeah, there's a reason why I don't really interact with my parents at all anymore.  I'll go up and hang out if my siblings are in town, because I like them.  But I still have issues with showing affection, and even having emotional connection with anything.  I'll get upset in the moment about something, but as soon as I go to another thought, it's done.  That's the end of my emotional attachment to any person, item, animal, or whatever.  Don't expect me to be upset days, weeks, or months later about someone in the family dying, or losing a pet.  I just don't keep attachments that aren't present.  It's sort of like a scar from a cut you didn't notice at first.  Now that you see it, it hurts.  As soon as you forget about it, it's like it never happened.


Jesus Christ, man. Are your siblings as detached because that sounds like you need some serious therapy.

Even Data misses things in the long term!
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2021-10-27 9:53:20 PM  
It's a shame that Unions are representing the loud-voiced whining minority of their membership and not trying to protect the majority of their members from these plague rats.
 
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