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2021-10-27 7:51:05 AM  
That 'article' reads like my robot vacuum wrote it.  Purportedly.
 
2021-10-27 7:52:30 AM  
20 years later, Albertson would be paid good money to yell ethnic slurs at a Puerto Rican

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2021-10-27 8:03:02 AM  
Dames don't like to be called broads, Subby.
 
2021-10-27 8:06:07 AM  

The Repeated Meme: Dames don't like to be called broads, Subby.


Proffers don't like to be called subbies.
 
2021-10-27 8:11:44 AM  
You can't even write racial abuse in excrement on someone's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat
 
2021-10-27 8:13:14 AM  
I think Chapelle is trying to take a positive step in being willing to talk with the LBGTQ employees.

I think the better approach would be for him to have a conversation with, say, Eddie Izzard. Like, an actual conversation between the two. Film it documentary style and release it.
 
2021-10-27 8:19:39 AM  
My opinion is that Chapelle should just drop the jokes that started the controversy and move on. But he's stated that he's not going to bend to anyone, and that's fine with me. And I choose just not to watch any of his stuff anymore; to move on to other comedians who I guess are skilled enough to not joke about that stuff.

I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group. He seemed to do okay with the subjects he did choose. But I guess comedians like Chapelle and Jerry Seinfeld know something Carlin didn't.
 
2021-10-27 8:24:15 AM  
We have actual black faced people acting like clowns, now, thank you very much. Wasn't that why Chappelle quit his show? He was literally doing blackface and he wasn't too sure if people were laughing with him or at him. Where's the line?

Charlie Murphy would call Dave a habitual line stepper.
 
2021-10-27 8:25:31 AM  

skinink: I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group


Carlin's believed that you could make a joke about anything if you found the right context.

"Rape can be funny.  Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd"

But he also understood the difference between edgy material and punching down

"Comedy has traditionally picked on people in power, people who abuse their power.  Women and gays and immigrants, to my way of thinking, are underdogs. "
 
2021-10-27 8:32:01 AM  
But have you seen him doing blackface?!  If you have not seen him doing blackface, then you cannot judge him negatively.

/nailed it
 
2021-10-27 8:42:12 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: The Repeated Meme: Dames don't like to be called broads, Subby.

Proffers don't like to be called subbies.


, liter.
 
2021-10-27 8:44:53 AM  
Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.
 
2021-10-27 8:48:02 AM  

skinink: My opinion is that Chapelle should just drop the jokes that started the controversy and move on. But he's stated that he's not going to bend to anyone, and that's fine with me. And I choose just not to watch any of his stuff anymore; to move on to other comedians who I guess are skilled enough to not joke about that stuff.

I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group. He seemed to do okay with the subjects he did choose. But I guess comedians like Chapelle and Jerry Seinfeld know something Carlin didn't.


He's following whatever audience will fellate his outsized ego without requiring him to change or introspect. He doesn't have the skill to joke about the subject because he doesn't need to. The dolts who fawn over him will call him a genius no matter what.
 
2021-10-27 8:53:09 AM  

Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.


It's Ok, everybody go home, this Farker decided 'the' LGBTQ 'community' has enough power. The last 60 years or so of responding to persecution with civil rights marches, political activism, and awareness campaigns did the trick apparently. Thanks,
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2021-10-27 9:03:17 AM  

Rapmaster2000: But have you seen him doing blackface?!  If you have not seen him doing blackface, then you cannot judge him negatively.

/nailed it


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Just playing white devil's advocate
/that outfit reminds me of Wonder Bread
 
2021-10-27 9:15:14 AM  

Spartapuss: Rapmaster2000: But have you seen him doing blackface?!  If you have not seen him doing blackface, then you cannot judge him negatively.

/nailed it

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Just playing white devil's advocate
/that outfit reminds me of Wonder Bread


Eddie Murphy called from 1984.
White Like Me - SNL
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2021-10-27 9:24:25 AM  

Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.


Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.
 
2021-10-27 9:29:35 AM  

xalres: skinink: My opinion is that Chapelle should just drop the jokes that started the controversy and move on. But he's stated that he's not going to bend to anyone, and that's fine with me. And I choose just not to watch any of his stuff anymore; to move on to other comedians who I guess are skilled enough to not joke about that stuff.

I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group. He seemed to do okay with the subjects he did choose. But I guess comedians like Chapelle and Jerry Seinfeld know something Carlin didn't.

He's following whatever audience will fellate his outsized ego without requiring him to change or introspect. He doesn't have the skill to joke about the subject because he doesn't need to. The dolts who fawn over him will call him a genius no matter what.


xalres: skinink: My opinion is that Chapelle should just drop the jokes that started the controversy and move on. But he's stated that he's not going to bend to anyone, and that's fine with me. And I choose just not to watch any of his stuff anymore; to move on to other comedians who I guess are skilled enough to not joke about that stuff.

I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group. He seemed to do okay with the subjects he did choose. But I guess comedians like Chapelle and Jerry Seinfeld know something Carlin didn't.

He's following whatever audience will fellate his outsized ego without requiring him to change or introspect. He doesn't have the skill to joke about the subject because he doesn't need to. The dolts who fawn over him will call him a genius no matter what.


I got to have drinks with him after a show he did at the Comedy Works 5ish years ago (he invited the audience to hang out with him in the bar after), he seemed like a really humble, self-deprecating, and down-to-earth guy. He is a genius btw, he had maybe 30 minutes of prepared bits and then riffed with the audience for an hour. I've never seen anything like it comedy-wise, I even got him to improv a bit about Cliven Bundy. The dude is a master of his art.
 
2021-10-27 9:32:07 AM  

cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.


You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.
 
2021-10-27 9:34:46 AM  

Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.


They have a voice but not the power.  Any change you are seeing in their behalf is done mostly by people who are not part of that community but sees profit from pretending to care which is bringing about slow change and big profit.  Unfortunately the heavy handed way these changes are being made come off as an attack against those that describe themselves as normal so like hornets, they react defensively without care to the damage that is being caused.
 
2021-10-27 9:35:30 AM  

Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.


The goal is equity.
 
2021-10-27 9:38:01 AM  

Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.


Ironic given the subject of this thread.
 
2021-10-27 9:39:38 AM  

Spartapuss: Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.

The goal is equity.


equity works best as an economic concept, not an excuse to suppress artistic expression.
 
2021-10-27 9:53:35 AM  

xalres: Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.

Ironic given the subject of this thread.


and really ironic considering the content Chappelle's material which has so deeply offended so many.
 
2021-10-27 10:01:55 AM  

Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.


But its NOT remotely equal.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/3​1​-anti-transgender-bills-filed-20-state​s-gop-targets-schoolchildren-nationwid​e/

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/h​o​me-state-lgbtq-friendly-see-state-meas​ures/
 
2021-10-27 10:10:01 AM  

cocozilla: Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.

But its NOT remotely equal.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/31​-anti-transgender-bills-filed-20-state​s-gop-targets-schoolchildren-nationwid​e/

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/ho​me-state-lgbtq-friendly-see-state-meas​ures/


They're heavily invested in not seeing the link.
 
2021-10-27 10:26:05 AM  

xalres: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.

But its NOT remotely equal.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/31​-anti-transgender-bills-filed-20-state​s-gop-targets-schoolchildren-nationwid​e/

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/ho​me-state-lgbtq-friendly-see-state-meas​ures/

They're heavily invested in not seeing the link.


who's "they"? I swear the "othering" surrounding cultural issues is creating nothing but a for-profit sectarian shiat-show. It's making us all go backwards:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n​a​tion/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-mille​nnials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001​/
 
2021-10-27 10:46:58 AM  

Lvl 19 bureaucrat: xalres: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.

But its NOT remotely equal.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/31​-anti-transgender-bills-filed-20-state​s-gop-targets-schoolchildren-nationwid​e/

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/ho​me-state-lgbtq-friendly-see-state-meas​ures/

They're heavily invested in not seeing the link.

who's "they"? I swear the "othering" surrounding cultural issues is creating nothing but a for-profit sectarian shiat-show. It's making us all go backwards:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/na​tion/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-mille​nnials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001​/


The dipshiats saying they're "just jokes" are heavily invested in not seeing the link between the attitude behind the jokes and the real world harm it causes.
 
2021-10-27 10:56:30 AM  
If Chapelle was responding to broad social trends he'd be a hack on Fox News biatching about being cancelled. 
White comics doing blackface was a continuation of decades of demeaning 'humor' that did nothing but slowly dry up. So the hacks whined. 

Cancel culture exists on Twitter and nowhere else. No one has lost a dime due to 'cancel culture'. 
Cancel culture is a cheap catchphrase to get clicks. It's a way for assholes to whine, and asshole writers & 'activists' to ride someone else's coattails of success. 
That's the whole point of Chapelle's "You will not summon me" comment. You just don't get to demand things because you're offended, no matter how just or unjust your claim is. Whether or not people dislike your material or you are the subject of that material is meaningless in this regard. 

Here's something to try:
Watch the special or any of the supercuts on YouTube of him doing bits about LGBTQ over the years. 

The joke/point no one is talking about:
(Paraphrased)
The only reason the trans community has come so far, so fast is because rich, white men started coming out. The marginalized groups within this group are still suffering the same injustices.
 
2021-10-27 11:16:46 AM  
Jack Albertson was a deadbeat.

Was bed bound for YEARS. Making his daughter take care of him his wife and his parents.

Charlie wins a golden ticket and all of a sudden his old ass is dancing and singing and acting like he is as energetic as a 17 year old locked in a house with 3 20yr old nymphomaniacs
 
2021-10-27 11:21:05 AM  

Lvl 19 bureaucrat: xalres: skinink: My opinion is that Chapelle should just drop the jokes that started the controversy and move on. But he's stated that he's not going to bend to anyone, and that's fine with me. And I choose just not to watch any of his stuff anymore; to move on to other comedians who I guess are skilled enough to not joke about that stuff.

I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group. He seemed to do okay with the subjects he did choose. But I guess comedians like Chapelle and Jerry Seinfeld know something Carlin didn't.

He's following whatever audience will fellate his outsized ego without requiring him to change or introspect. He doesn't have the skill to joke about the subject because he doesn't need to. The dolts who fawn over him will call him a genius no matter what.


I got to have drinks with him after a show he did at the Comedy Works 5ish years ago (he invited the audience to hang out with him in the bar after), he seemed like a really humble, self-deprecating, and down-to-earth guy. He is a genius btw, he had maybe 30 minutes of prepared bits and then riffed with the audience for an hour. I've never seen anything like it comedy-wise, I even got him to improv a bit about Cliven Bundy. The dude is a master of his art.


I agree with you. The dude's one of the greats. Truly insightful and funny...when he wants to be. That's why it's so disappointing to see him chasing after the Joe Rogan disaffected dudebro crowd. Once he gets in good with them he doesn't have to write another joke for the rest of his life. He just has to keep saying worse and worse things about the right groups of people and they'll continue to feed his ego by telling him he's a genius.

If he's not careful he's going to go full Linehan, and you never go full Linehan.
 
2021-10-27 11:25:32 AM  

Snapper Carr: skinink: I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group

Carlin's believed that you could make a joke about anything if you found the right context.

"Rape can be funny.  Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd"

But he also understood the difference between edgy material and punching down

"Comedy has traditionally picked on people in power, people who abuse their power.  Women and gays and immigrants, to my way of thinking, are underdogs. "


Yes, but he made jokes at women's expense all the time.
for example...
George Carlin - Pissing off the Feminists
Youtube c3gMELlrO3E
 
2021-10-27 11:44:08 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: I think Chapelle is trying to take a positive step in being willing to talk with the LBGTQ employees.

I think the better approach would be for him to have a conversation with, say, Eddie Izzard. Like, an actual conversation between the two. Film it documentary style and release it.


All I'm picturing right now is something in the style of Frost/Nixon.
 
2021-10-27 12:09:02 PM  

bionicjoe: If Chapelle was responding to broad social trends he'd be a hack on Fox News biatching about being cancelled. 
White comics doing blackface was a continuation of decades of demeaning 'humor' that did nothing but slowly dry up. So the hacks whined. 

Cancel culture exists on Twitter and nowhere else. No one has lost a dime due to 'cancel culture'. 
Cancel culture is a cheap catchphrase to get clicks. It's a way for assholes to whine, and asshole writers & 'activists' to ride someone else's coattails of success. 
That's the whole point of Chapelle's "You will not summon me" comment. You just don't get to demand things because you're offended, no matter how just or unjust your claim is. Whether or not people dislike your material or you are the subject of that material is meaningless in this regard. 

Here's something to try:
Watch the special or any of the supercuts on YouTube of him doing bits about LGBTQ over the years. 

The joke/point no one is talking about:
(Paraphrased)
The only reason the trans community has come so far, so fast is because rich, white men started coming out. The marginalized groups within this group are still suffering the same injustices.


Given how the majority of power in this country is held by rich, white people, I don't understand how he can be surprised.  It's often a matter of persuading enough of them to actually grant the rights marginalized groups are seeking.  Alas, that isn't going to happen any time soon for LGBTQ+ people when 42 states still permit panic defenses as valid legal justification for assault or homicide, in addition to the number of rich, white conservatives not wanting to lose another group they can easily oppress.
 
2021-10-27 12:26:13 PM  
I wonder how many people who are upset about Chapelle actual saw his latest special.  Yes, he did address his LGBT controversy, but I saw nothing derogatory or demeaning in it.

I also wonder what people who are upset about Chapelle actually think is funny - because if something this mild spins you up, then there's really not much left.  Maybe Garfield - but even that might be too much.
 
2021-10-27 12:44:22 PM  

trippdogg: I wonder how many people who are upset about Chapelle actual saw his latest special.  Yes, he did address his LGBT controversy, but I saw nothing derogatory or demeaning in it.

I also wonder what people who are upset about Chapelle actually think is funny - because if something this mild spins you up, then there's really not much left.  Maybe Garfield - but even that might be too much.


I didn't need to. I saw two of his last four specials where he did the same farking thing. Real innovative, that. Though, I guess those specials didn't have his shiatty story where he made himself the victim of his "friend's" suicide, then called her a man and continued his biatchy-assed whining. It was such a blatant "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!". Just farking pathetic.

Patton Oswalt is funnier than Dave.
 
2021-10-27 1:27:23 PM  

xalres: Lvl 19 bureaucrat: xalres: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: cocozilla: Clash City Farker: Does the LGBT community have power now? Of course they do.

Power...meaning "more rights but still not the same as your average white straight male"

Yeah...how dare they voice an opinion that makes you uncomfortable.

You don't get it. If the goal is equality, then the comedy comes along with it. This is actually a sign that progress is being made.

But its NOT remotely equal.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/31​-anti-transgender-bills-filed-20-state​s-gop-targets-schoolchildren-nationwid​e/

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/ho​me-state-lgbtq-friendly-see-state-meas​ures/

They're heavily invested in not seeing the link.

who's "they"? I swear the "othering" surrounding cultural issues is creating nothing but a for-profit sectarian shiat-show. It's making us all go backwards:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/na​tion/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-mille​nnials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001​/

The dipshiats saying they're "just jokes" are heavily invested in not seeing the link between the attitude behind the jokes and the real world harm it causes.


those shiatty poll numbers mostly stems from the dip-shiats pushing back against the jokes. the kids are reacting poorly because trans activists are starting to act like the bad-guys from the movie Footloose. much of this movement smacks of some strange later-day puritanism...like the D&D scare but as if in some strange alternate universe it's coming from the "left".
 
2021-10-27 1:30:42 PM  

xalres: trippdogg: I wonder how many people who are upset about Chapelle actual saw his latest special.  Yes, he did address his LGBT controversy, but I saw nothing derogatory or demeaning in it.

I also wonder what people who are upset about Chapelle actually think is funny - because if something this mild spins you up, then there's really not much left.  Maybe Garfield - but even that might be too much.

I didn't need to. I saw two of his last four specials where he did the same farking thing. Real innovative, that. Though, I guess those specials didn't have his shiatty story where he made himself the victim of his "friend's" suicide, then called her a man and continued his biatchy-assed whining. It was such a blatant "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!". Just farking pathetic.

Patton Oswalt is funnier than Dave.



so you're outraged over a piece of art you haven't even seen?
 
2021-10-27 1:31:28 PM  
The more the shiat-bro cavalcade brigades for him, the more I regret ever laughing at any of his material. F*ck him.
 
2021-10-27 1:33:38 PM  

bionicjoe: Here's something to try:
Watch the special or any of the supercuts on YouTube of him doing bits about LGBTQ over the years. 

The joke/point no one is talking about:
(Paraphrased)
The only reason the trans community has come so far, so fast is because rich, white men started coming out. The marginalized groups within this group are still suffering the same injustices.


great point.
 
2021-10-27 2:01:32 PM  
I used to miss Mitch Hedburg.  I still do, but I used to, too.
 
2021-10-27 2:57:42 PM  

trippdogg: I wonder how many people who are upset about Chapelle actual saw his latest special.  Yes, he did address his LGBT controversy, but I saw nothing derogatory or demeaning in it.

I also wonder what people who are upset about Chapelle actually think is funny - because if something this mild spins you up, then there's really not much left.  Maybe Garfield - but even that might be too much.


The issues: him identifying as a TERF and misgendering a dead trans woman he personally knew just for a laugh.  It honestly shows a lack of seeing trans women as women.  Combined with his complaints about how far and how quickly the LGBTQ+ community has come toward equal rights (despite said rights not being applicable across the whole country), you can feel his distaste, bordering on hatred, for trans women.  Using trans people as the expense of making a joke reinforces the idea that it is okay to mock trans people because they aren't really people.  It's one reason why the trans panic defense is still a valid legal argument in 42 states.
 
2021-10-27 4:07:07 PM  

Lvl 19 bureaucrat: xalres: trippdogg: I wonder how many people who are upset about Chapelle actual saw his latest special.  Yes, he did address his LGBT controversy, but I saw nothing derogatory or demeaning in it.

I also wonder what people who are upset about Chapelle actually think is funny - because if something this mild spins you up, then there's really not much left.  Maybe Garfield - but even that might be too much.

I didn't need to. I saw two of his last four specials where he did the same farking thing. Real innovative, that. Though, I guess those specials didn't have his shiatty story where he made himself the victim of his "friend's" suicide, then called her a man and continued his biatchy-assed whining. It was such a blatant "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!". Just farking pathetic.

Patton Oswalt is funnier than Dave.


so you're outraged over a piece of art you haven't even seen?


I decided he was a tiresome piece of shiat years ago because he just would not get off this subject, and the "jokes" he makes at trans people's expense sound exactly like the kind of shiat that makes my trans friends and family feel unsafe literally everywhere. By all accounts he's done nothing but keep up his transformation into Old Uncle Edgelord, The Snowflake Triggerer. He tells it like it is and doesn't care who gets offended. How. Farking. Original. Why would I waste my time? He's human garbage, and my farking four year old is more emotionally mature.
 
2021-10-27 5:28:35 PM  

debug: Snapper Carr: skinink: I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group

Carlin's believed that you could make a joke about anything if you found the right context.

"Rape can be funny.  Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd"

But he also understood the difference between edgy material and punching down

"Comedy has traditionally picked on people in power, people who abuse their power.  Women and gays and immigrants, to my way of thinking, are underdogs. "

Yes, but he made jokes at women's expense all the time.
for example...
[YouTube video: George Carlin - Pissing off the Feminists]


He was mocking feminists which include women but not just women.  It would be like mocking the KKK or Young Republicans and taking it as an attack against white people.  There is/was nothing wrong with women wanting rights and speaking out but the majority of those that called themselves feminists were/are batshiat crazy.
 
2021-10-27 6:45:35 PM  

LazyPredator: It would be like mocking the KKK or Young Republicans and taking it as an attack against white people.


Where the fark have you been the last few years?
 
2021-10-28 6:37:08 AM  

trippdogg: I wonder how many people who are upset about Chapelle actual saw his latest special.  Yes, he did address his LGBT controversy, but I saw nothing derogatory or demeaning in it.

I also wonder what people who are upset about Chapelle actually think is funny - because if something this mild spins you up, then there's really not much left.  Maybe Garfield - but even that might be too much.


To your first question - I didn't actually see his latest special, because the previous special he did was pretty bad. It was intensely derogatory and demeaning, and I turned it off and have not bothered to give Chappelle any more of my time or money.

You might not have seen anything derogatory or demeaning. My elderly, racist grandparents didn't see why the blacks had to get all uppity in the '60s. A lot of people don't see a lot of things.

To your second question - I was the only person in a showing of "The Aristocrats" not to walk out angrily. I wear that as a badge of honor. Comedy is like pornography, it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it. What Dave has been doing in the latter days of his career is getting farther and farther away from comedy.......and that's not a bad thing, per se. I thought the Netflix special that was just him talking about an obscure book about pimps was fascinating and brilliant. I wouldn't call it "comedy", but it was fantastic.

And you know what? fark that. People are allowed to like different things. I loathe sitcoms, but a lot of people enjoy them and find them funny. It's comedy. Not my genre, but that doesn't make it any less valid. I think that with enough time and distance people will see what Chappelle is doing for what it is, but right now and in this environment there are just too many reactionaries who are upset that they can't say certain words anymore in public. My grandparents were upset about different words. And they were wrong, and they lost, and the world moved on. And people who "don't see anything derogatory or demeaning" now are wrong, they will lose, and the world will move on.

In the meantime, Dave will get more money and more attention. Not for being a martyr to some cause, or being a great comic, but in the same way that someone taking a shiat in the middle of the street gets attention, or the same way a screaming child gets attention.
 
2021-10-28 7:59:39 AM  

LazyPredator: debug: Snapper Carr: skinink: I might be stepping on a land mine because of my limited knowledge, but I don't think that George Carlin ever found himself limited because he couldn't mock a disadvantaged group

Carlin's believed that you could make a joke about anything if you found the right context.

"Rape can be funny.  Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd"

But he also understood the difference between edgy material and punching down

"Comedy has traditionally picked on people in power, people who abuse their power.  Women and gays and immigrants, to my way of thinking, are underdogs. "

Yes, but he made jokes at women's expense all the time.
for example...
[YouTube video: George Carlin - Pissing off the Feminists]

He was mocking feminists which include women but not just women.  It would be like mocking the KKK or Young Republicans and taking it as an attack against white people.  There is/was nothing wrong with women wanting rights and speaking out but the majority of those that called themselves feminists were/are batshiat crazy.


Yeah I get that.  It's almost like Dave isn't mocking every transgender person, just the batshiat crazy ones.
 
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