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(Some Guy)   100 years ago today, a great presidential civil rights address from...wait, Warren Harding? in Alabama?   (voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu) divider line
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2021-10-26 4:36:34 PM  
And 21 months later, he "died". Obama lived in Illinois, and Illinois was the 21st state.

Coincidence? I think not.
 
2021-10-26 5:04:12 PM  
Woodrow Wilson re-segregated the US Government. Mr Harding could have reversed that.
 
2021-10-26 6:15:47 PM  
Murdered by his wife.
 
2021-10-26 6:16:39 PM  
And Hitler liked dogs.
 
2021-10-26 6:21:31 PM  
Republicans then are what Republican are now.   Next.
 
2021-10-26 6:24:17 PM  
He was certainly better than most from that time, but the text is most definitely racist.
 
2021-10-26 6:37:16 PM  
Republican Presidents were elected without the (solidly Democratic) South, but they couldn't get nominated without the Southern Republicans, many of them were black.  They paid lip service to racial issues and occasionally did stuff that was marginally less racist.  I don't remember Harding actually doing anything.
 
2021-10-26 6:39:46 PM  
Let's assume that if that bucket of crap were alive today, he'd also get banninated off twitter.
 
2021-10-26 6:42:54 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: He was certainly better than most from that time, but the text is most definitely racist.


By our standards most certainly, a century ago those sentiments were radically progressive.

But then most progressives were Republican back then.  It would take a few more decades before they flipped social positions and in the case of the GOP, slowly became a nightmarish caricature of it's purported ideals.
 
2021-10-26 7:09:45 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: He was certainly better than most from that time, but the text is most definitely racist.


Indeed.  From the speech:

"Politically and economically there need be no occasion for great and permanent differentiation, for limitations of the individual's opportunity, provided that on both sides there shall be recognition of the absolute divergence in things social and racial. When I suggest the possibility of economic equality between the races, I mean it in precisely the same way and to the same extent that I would mean it if I spoke of equality of economic opportunity as between members of the same race. In each case I would mean equality proportioned to the honest capacities and deserts of the individual.

"Men of both races may well stand uncompromisingly against every suggestion of social equality. Indeed, it would be helpful to have that word "equality" eliminated from this consideration; to have it accepted on both sides that this is not a question of social equality, but a question of recognizing a fundamental, eternal, and inescapable difference. We shall have made real progress when we develop an attitude in the public and community thought of both races which recognizes this difference."

How does one go about promoting political and economic equality in a society that stands uncompromisingly against every suggestion of social equality?  The fear of social equality was partly responsible for blocking political and economic equality.

For example:

Chief Justice Earl Warren . . . blamed President Eisenhower for much of the nation after the Supreme Court's school desegregation decisions in the 1950s.
Warren also said that Eisenhower once defended Southern advocates of segregation as "not bad people. All they are concerned about is to see that their sweet little girls are not required to sit in school alongside some big, overgrown Negroes."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archiv​e​/politics/1977/03/13/warren-book-blame​s-ike-for-50s-strife/7e2eb1d2-fc82-4aa​5-bca2-99833223e44f/
 
2021-10-26 7:19:34 PM  
> [13] Indeed, we will be wise to recognize it as wider yet. Whoever will take the time to read and ponder Mr. Lothrop Stoddard's book on The Rising Tide of Color, or, say, the thoughtful review of some recent literature of this question which Mr. F. D. Lugard presented in a recent Edinburg Review, must realize that our race problem here in the United States is only a phase of a race issue that the whole world confronts. Surely we shall gain nothing by blinking the fact, by refusing to give thought to them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothrop​_​Stoddard
Theodore Lothrop Stoddard (June 29, 1883 - May 1, 1950) was an American historian, journalist, political scientist, white supremacist, and white nationalist. Stoddard wrote several books which advocated eugenics and scientific racism, including The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy (1920). He advocated a racial hierarchy which he believed needed to be preserved through anti-miscegenation laws.

He was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, where his books were recommended reading.[1][2][3][
 
2021-10-26 9:29:30 PM  
Ok, now this shiat is starting to get funny.

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2021-10-26 10:12:35 PM  
If you had a domed teapot up your ass you'd say funny things too.
 
2021-10-26 10:49:06 PM  
Harding wasn't so much a bad person as he was inept. He thought his poker buddies would make great Cabinet secretaries. His presidency played out like a more destructive Three Stooges movie, but there's no evidence he was actively evil.
 
2021-10-26 11:29:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Harding wasn't so much a bad person as he was inept. He thought his poker buddies would make great Cabinet secretaries. His presidency played out like a more destructive Three Stooges movie, but there's no evidence he was actively evil.


He just wants someone to talk to.
/nothing's obscure on Fark
 
2021-10-27 12:42:06 AM  

HairBolus: > [13] Indeed, we will be wise to recognize it as wider yet. Whoever will take the time to read and ponder Mr. Lothrop Stoddard's book on The Rising Tide of Color, or, say, the thoughtful review of some recent literature of this question which Mr. F. D. Lugard presented in a recent Edinburg Review, must realize that our race problem here in the United States is only a phase of a race issue that the whole world confronts. Surely we shall gain nothing by blinking the fact, by refusing to give thought to them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothrop_​Stoddard
Theodore Lothrop Stoddard (June 29, 1883 - May 1, 1950) was an American historian, journalist, political scientist, white supremacist, and white nationalist. Stoddard wrote several books which advocated eugenics and scientific racism, including The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy (1920). He advocated a racial hierarchy which he believed needed to be preserved through anti-miscegenation laws.

He was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, where his books were recommended reading.[1][2][3][


Yeah, that part stood out to me as well.  We tend to think of "old school" Republicans as more progressive than modern day Republicans, but there were a LOT of bad moments for the Party of Lincoln back then (even with the caveat that many of the Democrats were much worse back then).

The bad stuff didn't start with Nixon, although he usually gets the blame/credit for it...

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/e​n​tries/lily-white-movement
 
2021-10-27 7:08:50 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Harding wasn't so much a bad person as he was inept. He thought his poker buddies would make great Cabinet secretaries. His presidency played out like a more destructive Three Stooges movie, but there's no evidence he was actively evil.


There's something to be said for any leader who doesn't march immediately off into OMG JUST DO SOMETHING ANYTHING OMG MUST LOOK CAPABLE mode when a crisis arises.

It's always possible to make a bad situation worse, as Herbert Hoover demonstrated a few years after Harding.
 
2021-10-27 11:44:57 AM  

pehvbot: Republican Presidents were elected without the (solidly Democratic) South, but they couldn't get nominated without the Southern Republicans, many of them were black.  They paid lip service to racial issues and occasionally did stuff that was marginally less racist.  I don't remember Harding actually doing anything.


Iirc, he once got a heaping helping of sweet brown sugar.
 
2021-10-27 12:37:53 PM  

Pharmdawg: pehvbot: Republican Presidents were elected without the (solidly Democratic) South, but they couldn't get nominated without the Southern Republicans, many of them were black.  They paid lip service to racial issues and occasionally did stuff that was marginally less racist.  I don't remember Harding actually doing anything.

Iirc, he once got a heaping helping of sweet brown sugar.


You do not recall correctly.  There were rumors during his lifetime that Harding had some African-American ancestry.  That may be what you're thinking of.  He definitely liked him some strange on the side, but his mistresses have all been identified and they were all white.
 
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