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2021-10-26 4:48:37 PM  
That's a farking typo, right?  There was supposed to be a "00" after that "2", but it got automatically deleted by the editor because the 00 character is used as a writing placeholder sometimes, right?  RIGHT?!
 
2021-10-26 5:00:32 PM  
Yeah, this is bullshiat.

Why should I follow sports anymore? Why should I give them any of my money if they're never going to do the right thing because money is more important than actually being a human being?
 
2021-10-26 8:23:30 PM  
Stan Bowman is out and Coach Quenneville and Winnipeg GM still face potential punishment by the league. And that's in addition to the lawsuits still pending against the Blecchhawks by John Doe and the Michigan teen victim. So I wouldn't say their punishment is quite over yet.

/not only that, but the team sucks and Bowman's shiat moves put them in a bad position moving forward
 
2021-10-26 8:30:21 PM  
IDK what you expect, though. Four of the people involved aren't in the NHL's jurisdiction, two are with other teams, and it's not like owners are going to allow themselves to be held accountable.

Did you think the NHL was going to put someone in jail or something?
 
2021-10-26 8:31:12 PM  

FightDirector: That's a farking typo, right?  There was supposed to be a "00" after that "2", but it got automatically deleted by the editor because the 00 character is used as a writing placeholder sometimes, right?  RIGHT?!


Yeah, $2 million isn't nearly enough. While the victims who are suing the organization are probably going to get more than that out of the settlements to come, the fine by the league should be much higher than that.
 
2021-10-26 8:39:48 PM  

FightDirector: That's a farking typo, right?  There was supposed to be a "00" after that "2", but it got automatically deleted by the editor because the 00 character is used as a writing placeholder sometimes, right?  RIGHT?!


looks like two million million now. that's a lot of millions
 
2021-10-26 8:40:45 PM  

desertgeek: FightDirector: That's a farking typo, right?  There was supposed to be a "00" after that "2", but it got automatically deleted by the editor because the 00 character is used as a writing placeholder sometimes, right?  RIGHT?!

Yeah, $2 million isn't nearly enough. While the victims who are suing the organization are probably going to get more than that out of the settlements to come, the fine by the league should be much higher than that.


NJ Devils: Fined $3 million for Kovalchuk's contract that fooled with the salary cap.
 
2021-10-26 8:45:31 PM  

IAmRight: IDK what you expect, though. Four of the people involved aren't in the NHL's jurisdiction, two are with other teams, and it's not like owners are going to allow themselves to be held accountable.

Did you think the NHL was going to put someone in jail or something?


Well no, that's for law enforcement to pursue and...wouldn't you know it, I bet the SOL on sexual assault in the state of Illinois has come and gone.

Frankly, Quenneville and Cheveldayoff should both resign or get fired.
 
2021-10-26 8:55:19 PM  
Also, keep in mind that $1 million of it is going to "charity" and will help the owners' tax bills.  So basically its a NHL branded tax write-off that they will promote to get good charity PR.

/People are vile.
 
2021-10-26 9:00:19 PM  

Practical_Draconian: desertgeek: FightDirector: That's a farking typo, right?  There was supposed to be a "00" after that "2", but it got automatically deleted by the editor because the 00 character is used as a writing placeholder sometimes, right?  RIGHT?!

Yeah, $2 million isn't nearly enough. While the victims who are suing the organization are probably going to get more than that out of the settlements to come, the fine by the league should be much higher than that.

NJ Devils: Fined $3 million for Kovalchuk's contract that fooled with the salary cap.


But that's what leagues should be policing - actions directly relating to the on-ice product and competition within the league (the stuff that is related to the game that the government shouldn't be handling. The law should be handling the other stuff.

And every team should, upon discovery of the news, fire/refuse to hire the people involved.

/admittedly, this is how it would work in a world where everyone handled the things they were responsible for and didn't intentionally advocate their responsibility...which I suppose is a world where this particular series of events never could happen.
 
2021-10-26 9:40:35 PM  
A fine like that wouldve given Dollar Bill a fatal stroke. It wont even give these owners indigestion.
 
2021-10-26 9:44:15 PM  
So, is the 1 million "to fund local organizations in and around the Chicago community that provide counselling and training for, and support and assistance to, survivors of sexual and other forms of abuse." count as as tax donation for the organization?
 
2021-10-26 9:46:26 PM  
Read the thread, Shy, read the thread THEN post!
 
2021-10-26 9:58:24 PM  

IAmRight: IDK what you expect, though. Four of the people involved aren't in the NHL's jurisdiction, two are with other teams, and it's not like owners are going to allow themselves to be held accountable.

Did you think the NHL was going to put someone in jail or something?


It's called a Penalty Box.
 
2021-10-26 11:15:52 PM  
I cannot find the words at the moment to adequately express my feelings.  So for now I'll make due by saying FARKING BULLshiat!
 
2021-10-26 11:17:56 PM  

Practical_Draconian: desertgeek: FightDirector: That's a farking typo, right?  There was supposed to be a "00" after that "2", but it got automatically deleted by the editor because the 00 character is used as a writing placeholder sometimes, right?  RIGHT?!

Yeah, $2 million isn't nearly enough. While the victims who are suing the organization are probably going to get more than that out of the settlements to come, the fine by the league should be much higher than that.

NJ Devils: Fined $3 million for Kovalchuk's contract that fooled with the salary cap.


Good point. I can tell you there's some Coyotes fans feeling that this punishment isn't as bad as what the team got for amateur scouting violations a year and a half ago (and if you add in the number of times it was mentioned on TV during the draft lottery and the draft this year, they're right!)
 
2021-10-26 11:33:08 PM  
Let me add one thing to give a tiny bit of credit to the Blackhawks here:

A lot of people, myself included; thought that this was going to be an "independent investigation" in name only and not in practice. I thought the Hawks would do what they could to protect themselves amid the lawsuits.

If you saw the press conference on Tuesday and/or read the report, even just partially; it was clear that it was independent in practice. The report is damning. It is difficult to read, even if you just read the summaries (which most will since the full report is 107 pages in total).

To the organization's credit now, they're taking responsibility. And maybe that's why the league didn't fine them more; as much as that's bullshiat.

If you want to argue that there's probably some covering people's asses going on still, by all means do it because you could be right and I certainly won't argue against it. But right now, IMO; the report is much more than I expected because it looks pretty damn unsparing to lazy farks who put winning above doing the right thing.
 
2021-10-27 12:13:43 AM  
Am I the only person who has noticed the resounding silence of the "Insiders" that the Canadian hockey media especially employ? The people these outlets pay to be on the ball, to tell us what is really happening?
They rely on contacts and secret info, and they bury the shiatty shiat, because it interferes with the cash flow.
At least that is my feeling, and I don't think I am alone.
someone needs to ask some of those people some pointed question.
Ain't gonna be Sportsnet, or TSN, or HNIC though.
 
2021-10-27 1:32:03 AM  

Dknsvsbl: Am I the only person who has noticed the resounding silence of the "Insiders" that the Canadian hockey media especially employ? The people these outlets pay to be on the ball, to tell us what is really happening?
They rely on contacts and secret info, and they bury the shiatty shiat, because it interferes with the cash flow.
At least that is my feeling, and I don't think I am alone.
someone needs to ask some of those people some pointed question.
Ain't gonna be Sportsnet, or TSN, or HNIC though.


Well, they wouldn't want anybody to dig too deep into the history of abuse that's been going on in the Canadian Junior leagues now, would they? Maybe some of their insiders and contacts might stop giving them access.

/tons of abuse in the CJrs
//just ask Theo Fleury
 
2021-10-27 3:45:05 AM  

germ78: Dknsvsbl: Am I the only person who has noticed the resounding silence of the "Insiders" that the Canadian hockey media especially employ? The people these outlets pay to be on the ball, to tell us what is really happening?
They rely on contacts and secret info, and they bury the shiatty shiat, because it interferes with the cash flow.
At least that is my feeling, and I don't think I am alone.
someone needs to ask some of those people some pointed question.
Ain't gonna be Sportsnet, or TSN, or HNIC though.

Well, they wouldn't want anybody to dig too deep into the history of abuse that's been going on in the Canadian Junior leagues now, would they? Maybe some of their insiders and contacts might stop giving them access.

/tons of abuse in the CJrs
//just ask Theo Fleury


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2021-10-27 4:00:45 AM  

Dknsvsbl: Am I the only person who has noticed the resounding silence of the "Insiders" that the Canadian hockey media especially employ? The people these outlets pay to be on the ball, to tell us what is really happening?
They rely on contacts and secret info, and they bury the shiatty shiat, because it interferes with the cash flow.
At least that is my feeling, and I don't think I am alone.
someone needs to ask some of those people some pointed question.
Ain't gonna be Sportsnet, or TSN, or HNIC though.


The NHL and NFL have the same people who put out fires, if I were to guess. Reactive, not proactive, for the MOSTPART, save this investigation:

desertgeek: To the organization's credit now, they're taking responsibility



And both are vulnerable as fark to demographic changes and societal changes making their sports obsolete.

Note: baseball's numbers are maybe not as good, but MLB will outlast both professional football and hockey just by nature of the sports themselves.
 
2021-10-27 4:03:08 AM  
And while baseball is mired in trash can banging controversy... football has endless levels of sexual assault and harassment being covered up (the WFT franchise isn't the only one...) and hockey,well, this thread...
 
2021-10-27 9:34:29 AM  

Practical_Draconian: desertgeek: FightDirector: That's a farking typo, right?  There was supposed to be a "00" after that "2", but it got automatically deleted by the editor because the 00 character is used as a writing placeholder sometimes, right?  RIGHT?!

Yeah, $2 million isn't nearly enough. While the victims who are suing the organization are probably going to get more than that out of the settlements to come, the fine by the league should be much higher than that.

NJ Devils: Fined $3 million for Kovalchuk's contract that fooled with the salary cap.


And Tampa's punishment for cap circumvention is a Stanley cup
 
2021-10-27 10:16:44 AM  
This is a black eye for hockey, a really farking big one. Just goes to show that people with power will expressly use that power to keep themselves in power and protect themselves from real consequences. 2MM for an organization that is worth what.. a half-billion (I think)?  Financially speaking that's *nothing*. The *Image* of the farkhawks is tarnished, and young players aren't going to want to play there. That could be deadly for the organization for years, and that's a good farking thing.
 
2021-10-27 10:44:15 AM  

desertgeek: Let me add one thing to give a tiny bit of credit to the Blackhawks here:

A lot of people, myself included; thought that this was going to be an "independent investigation" in name only and not in practice. I thought the Hawks would do what they could to protect themselves amid the lawsuits.

If you saw the press conference on Tuesday and/or read the report, even just partially; it was clear that it was independent in practice. The report is damning. It is difficult to read, even if you just read the summaries (which most will since the full report is 107 pages in total).

To the organization's credit now, they're taking responsibility. And maybe that's why the league didn't fine them more; as much as that's bullshiat.

If you want to argue that there's probably some covering people's asses going on still, by all means do it because you could be right and I certainly won't argue against it. But right now, IMO; the report is much more than I expected because it looks pretty damn unsparing to lazy farks who put winning above doing the right thing.


I mean, that maybe is the saving grace here: Wirtz and the execs realized the harm and are in discussions with the injured parties involved to come to a mutual settlement over this.
 
2021-10-27 10:46:46 AM  

Dknsvsbl: Am I the only person who has noticed the resounding silence of the "Insiders" that the Canadian hockey media especially employ? The people these outlets pay to be on the ball, to tell us what is really happening?
They rely on contacts and secret info, and they bury the shiatty shiat, because it interferes with the cash flow.
At least that is my feeling, and I don't think I am alone.
someone needs to ask some of those people some pointed question.
Ain't gonna be Sportsnet, or TSN, or HNIC though.


Yeah - those insiders are absolutely terrible.

They were writing all about John Doe 1 back in 2010/2011 and with the benefit of hindsight it's obvious they already knew about it. They were covering those incidences mentioned in the report ("how's your bf brad" is really closely related to reports John Doe 1 getting into really brutal fights after being "chirped" at). They tut tut at the sudden lack of discipline and clear psychological decline/trauma reactions. They interviewed him asking about the change in attitude both from him and from his teammates towards him. It's obvious the reporters knew, and just ... did nothing? Poke at it for a reaction then move on? It's really gross.

/ It's also pretty gross that this report basically outed John Doe 1 by giving ridiculously specific details about him, like, everything short of his actual Name and *specific* DoB.
 
2021-10-27 11:36:33 AM  
How did this happen even after all the shiat with Theo Fleury?   Everybody knew that story, and everyone wanted accountability.  WTF NHL??
 
2021-10-27 1:46:30 PM  
Sure sounds like Chevy and Coach Q were aware of this back in 2010 so I would think this will end both of their careers. I hear Winnipeg is preparing to move on but take that with a grain of salt.
 
2021-10-27 3:05:09 PM  
Per reports:

Quenneville will meet with Bettman tomorrow in NYC. Quenneville is expected to coach Florida's game tonight.

Cheveldayoff is set to meet with Bettman on Monday.
 
2021-10-27 4:07:54 PM  
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Rick Westhead

@rwesthead
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23mTonight on
@SportsCentre
we're joined by John Doe, the former Blackhawks player at the centre of the team's sexual abuse scandal. He has asked us to reveal his identity and you will hear him speak his truth. It's a privilege to offer a platform to someone with such courage.
 
2021-10-27 4:17:53 PM  

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Rick Westhead

@rwesthead
·
23mTonight on
@SportsCentre
we're joined by John Doe, the former Blackhawks player at the centre of the team's sexual abuse scandal. He has asked us to reveal his identity and you will hear him speak his truth. It's a privilege to offer a platform to someone with such courage.


Apparently, his lawyer was on TSN yesterday and said he was feeling relief that the truth was getting out there. So this might be a natural progression of that.

/I'm guessing we might see something on ESPN here in the US since they share programming
 
2021-10-27 5:05:28 PM  
Rick Westhead
@rwesthead
For those outside Canada, we will post the interview with John Doe on TSN.ca shortly after 6 pm EST.
 
2021-10-27 5:22:32 PM  
So, a blackhawks coach pressured a player to let him suck the player's dick and then jack off onto the player's back? How does that work? I need pictures.
 
2021-10-27 6:22:39 PM  
TSN has posted the interview here (not geoblocked). I haven't watched it yet, but this should sum things up:

Greg Wyshynski  @wyshynski
4m
Take the SOB's name off the Stanley Cup tonight. I don't care if you have to melt it down and start over again.
 
2021-10-27 6:23:15 PM  

desertgeek: TSN has posted the interview here (not geoblocked). I haven't watched it yet, but this should sum things up:

Greg Wyshynski  @wyshynski
4m
Take the SOB's name off the Stanley Cup tonight. I don't care if you have to melt it down and start over again.


Crap, link fail: https://www.tsn.ca/kyle-beach-j​ohn-doe​-1.1712468
 
2021-10-27 11:17:44 PM  

Aezetyr: This is a black eye for hockey, a really farking big one. Just goes to show that people with power will expressly use that power to keep themselves in power and protect themselves from real consequences. 2MM for an organization that is worth what.. a half-billion (I think)?  Financially speaking that's *nothing*. The *Image* of the farkhawks is tarnished, and young players aren't going to want to play there. That could be deadly for the organization for years, and that's a good farking thing.


I wouldn't say it's a black eye for the game. It's certainly a black eye to the Hawks.

People in power, regardless of their affiliation to a sport or business are ruthless scumbags. Plain and simple.

This could be a story about a college golf coach, or a swimming coach. Or like we have seen, a gymnastics coach or a college football coordinator. The sport isnt the issue and won't take the brunt of it.

The issue is that people in power always continue to cover-up for each other's messes. Unfortunately, I don't believe that will ever change. It's human nature.

The NHL can setup "tip hotlines" to report this stuff, but if the people in power don't care it won't matter.

The thing that really sets me off is that it wasn't an important part of the team that committed this. It was a FARKING VIDEO COACH!!!

How important is someone who edits and analyzes tape that it was worth covering-up to this degree?

That just makes the cover-up worse. This guy was as useless as taking advantage of a free meal at some restaurant when the Leafs win a playoff game.
 
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