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2021-10-26 11:48:48 AM  
People with ADHD who can't crack the threshold to structured, engaging jobs often find themselves institutionalized to the abuses of retail managers who do not and cannot understand the fundamental concepts of motivation, because a person can fail to understand a great deal when their salary depends on it.

My friend just got into a professional job and he still can't sit still without hearing someone yelling at him in his head, or take a piss without asking permission. All because of people who were incredibly abusive to him as a perfectly good human being.
 
2021-10-26 11:51:50 AM  
That article was too long and I couldn't finish it.
 
2021-10-26 11:52:46 AM  
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2021-10-26 12:00:09 PM  
"I used to tell doctors and therapists all the time, 'You've got to make this constant noise in my head stop. I can't think. I can't sleep. I can't get any peace,' but this was always dismissed as anxiety or women's problems," Hester says.

That's tinnitus. Get a white noise machine or small water fountain thingie.

/diagnosed with adhd at 32
//also gen-xer
///MEH - OH SHINY!
 
2021-10-26 12:30:38 PM  
Nadie_AZ:
That's tinnitus. Get a white noise machine or small water fountain thingie.

Heh, I remember learning that not everyone has tinnitus at like 13.
 
2021-10-26 1:11:27 PM  
Humans do not have evolved cognitive and behavioral differences between the sexes.  Liberal Jesus made us that way.  That's farking science.
 
2021-10-26 1:11:51 PM  
May be related:
ADHD in Women
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2021-10-26 1:23:19 PM  
But, with the support of her family and friends, she went on to study law at university and become a beauty journalist for a prominent magazine.


I like to believe she prepared for a career, saw those dumb ass wigs they were going to make her wear and spouted an opinion on them so scathing she got fired and offered a job in the same day.
 
2021-10-26 1:24:29 PM  
Right now I'm a mess because I cannot take stimulants without it affecting my blood pressure. I'm hiding from the world in my bedroom though because I had a cold.

/normally 117/72 BP
/Vyvance shoots it up to 157/100
 
2021-10-26 1:30:31 PM  
How many people in academic mathematics are really doing it to avoid social activities and anxieties? From "I have papers to grade" to the madness of 2n-1.
 
2021-10-26 1:31:59 PM  

cheap_thoughts: Right now I'm a mess because I cannot take stimulants without it affecting my blood pressure. I'm hiding from the world in my bedroom though because I had a cold.

/normally 117/72 BP
/Vyvance shoots it up to 157/100


Sorry to hear that. I'm on BP meds and take a 10mg Adderall XR. I usually max out at 130/90 but more typically am around 120/75.
 
2021-10-26 1:39:03 PM  
Well-
*chases shiny thing down the hall*
Where was I? Um - daughter Henrietta got diagnosed at age 26. She says I should-
*adjusts pull-down window blinds so that they're perfectly symmetrical*
Furthermore-
*clips fingernails for the 3rd time this week*
We should get bikes & ride them...
 
2021-10-26 1:58:01 PM  
I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.

so everyone that believes that, go die already so the rest of us can get back to the IN PERPETUITY EVOLVING that is what existence actually is.

I do  believe that some of us lack whatever hardware is needed to control our minds enough to choose to focus our attention when and where we cant to, even if our natural instincts would not.

So it is i see "attention" as a mental skill w have to actually develop and work on, not some intrinsic power we just have to use at will from birth.
And like learning a language, that's going to be a whole lot easier when we are younger, and if we do not get certain kinds of experiences and learning in beofre we get too old(too set in what we know and do already, who we are), those lessons are goign to a lot harder to learn and cope with.


So sure, some of have a real actual impacted capacity here, but in a lot of us i do belvei the real truth is, we just never even learned to try and focus, so we do not know how to still.
We can focus when we do, because our interests are driving us, we want to know the knowledge.
but really how much can anyone care about how to run a  sales report or the TPS cover sheets kind of junk?


The monk does not have magic special inhuman powers to meditate, they merely have training an practice from a young age, and tons of it all life long. nothing in the genes that makes it that only they could have done those things, it's all in the training and practice.
 
2021-10-26 2:08:44 PM  

PvtStash: I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.

so everyone that believes that, go die already so the rest of us can get back to the IN PERPETUITY EVOLVING that is what existence actually is.

I do  believe that some of us lack whatever hardware is needed to control our minds enough to choose to focus our attention when and where we cant to, even if our natural instincts would not.

So it is i see "attention" as a mental skill w have to actually develop and work on, not some intrinsic power we just have to use at will from birth.
And like learning a language, that's going to be a whole lot easier when we are younger, and if we do not get certain kinds of experiences and learning in beofre we get too old(too set in what we know and do already, who we are), those lessons are goign to a lot harder to learn and cope with.


So sure, some of have a real actual impacted capacity here, but in a lot of us i do belvei the real truth is, we just never even learned to try and focus, so we do not know how to still.
We can focus when we do, because our interests are driving us, we want to know the knowledge.
but really how much can anyone care about how to run a  sales report or the TPS cover sheets kind of junk?


The monk does not have magic special inhuman powers to meditate, they merely have training an practice from a young age, and tons of it all life long. nothing in the genes that makes it that only they could have done those things, it's all in the training and practice.


It's a bit different than that. ADHD means it is hard at times to focus on things or start activities (the deficit portion) but if something has your focus, it is hard to focus on something else (the hyperactivity portion). The anxiety comes because you never quite know if you can focus on something or not. When you are in the hyper-focused state, it's almost like a superpower, but is so frustrating when you can't focus.
 
2021-10-26 2:16:54 PM  

PvtStash: I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.

so everyone that believes that, go die already so the rest of us can get back to the IN PERPETUITY EVOLVING that is what existence actually is.

I do  believe that some of us lack whatever hardware is needed to control our minds enough to choose to focus our attention when and where we cant to, even if our natural instincts would not.

So it is i see "attention" as a mental skill w have to actually develop and work on, not some intrinsic power we just have to use at will from birth.
And like learning a language, that's going to be a whole lot easier when we are younger, and if we do not get certain kinds of experiences and learning in beofre we get too old(too set in what we know and do already, who we are), those lessons are goign to a lot harder to learn and cope with.


So sure, some of have a real actual impacted capacity here, but in a lot of us i do belvei the real truth is, we just never even learned to try and focus, so we do not know how to still.
We can focus when we do, because our interests are driving us, we want to know the knowledge.
but really how much can anyone care about how to run a  sales report or the TPS cover sheets kind of junk?


The monk does not have magic special inhuman powers to meditate, they merely have training an practice from a young age, and tons of it all life long. nothing in the genes that makes it that only they could have done those things, it's all in the training and practice.


There are classes and books on doing just that; when you have ADHD medication alone doesn't solve all your problems.
 
2021-10-26 2:21:52 PM  

greentea1985: It's a bit different than that. ADHD means it is hard at times to focus on things or start activities (the deficit portion) but if something has your focus, it is hard to focus on something else (the hyperactivity portion). The anxiety comes because you never quite know if you can focus on something or not. When you are in the hyper-focused state, it's almost like a superpower, but is so frustrating when you can't focus.


New things can be very, very scary. Doing a new-to-me multi-stage task is pretty much my definition of brainlock. If you asked me to, say, organize a wedding, I would freak, internally, for weeks. As for the article, once again, women get treated poorly, and it's not cool.
/ADD before it was cool.
//Ask me about Feingold.
///every day is a new chance. don't worry about the past.
 
2021-10-26 2:47:50 PM  
they no longer diagnose whether or not you have ADD

they diagnose whether or not you're functional

if you have figured out how to deal with it you don't have it
 
2021-10-26 3:05:31 PM  

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2021-10-26 3:30:47 PM  
The wife has some kind of ADHD issue. She was taking Adderal (basically amphetamines) to help her stay focussed but it made her unbearable to be around. Her normal busybody nature was turned up to 11, it was like a vibration in the air around her. She's tried other stimulants but they all seem to have the same effect in various degrees. Honestly easier to deal with unmedicated wife.
 
2021-10-26 3:52:55 PM  

greentea1985: PvtStash: I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.

so everyone that believes that, go die already so the rest of us can get back to the IN PERPETUITY EVOLVING that is what existence actually is.

I do  believe that some of us lack whatever hardware is needed to control our minds enough to choose to focus our attention when and where we cant to, even if our natural instincts would not.

So it is i see "attention" as a mental skill w have to actually develop and work on, not some intrinsic power we just have to use at will from birth.
And like learning a language, that's going to be a whole lot easier when we are younger, and if we do not get certain kinds of experiences and learning in beofre we get too old(too set in what we know and do already, who we are), those lessons are goign to a lot harder to learn and cope with.


So sure, some of have a real actual impacted capacity here, but in a lot of us i do belvei the real truth is, we just never even learned to try and focus, so we do not know how to still.
We can focus when we do, because our interests are driving us, we want to know the knowledge.
but really how much can anyone care about how to run a  sales report or the TPS cover sheets kind of junk?


The monk does not have magic special inhuman powers to meditate, they merely have training an practice from a young age, and tons of it all life long. nothing in the genes that makes it that only they could have done those things, it's all in the training and practice.

It's a bit different than that. ADHD means it is hard at times to focus on things or start activities (the deficit portion) but if something has your focus, it is hard to focus on something else (the hyperactivity portion). The anxiety comes because you never quite know if you can f ...


THISGODDAMMITSOMUCH!
 
2021-10-26 4:49:41 PM  

greentea1985: PvtStash: I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.
~

It's a bit different than that. ADHD means it is hard at times to focus on things or start activities (the deficit portion) but if something has your focus, it is hard to focus on something else (the hyperactivity portion). The anxiety comes because you never quite know if you can f ...


The question in your statement is left unanswered though.
There are distinct states of existence we are needing to be sure and be real clear about for this.

Human intrinsically born capacity to have and control your own focus onto what your will desires when your will desires it. How much of this do we have, what hardware do we require to exert this capacity?
vs.
Learned skills we only have from practice in those skills.
vs.
a learned skill that has a hardware dependency.

like dancing.
Some of us seem to have some rhythm from birth, but a lot of show we can learn that. And functional legs are a hardware requirement to do something like say, a pirouette. So no amount of practice overcomes the hardware not present or not in typical working order.


And the question we really do not have answered quantifiablly is, how much of controlling our focus is a learned skill and how much of that is hardware dependent?


You see where this goes if we could have the objective answer to that question?


now by my own life's xp, so my POV, i find focus has a hardware dependency, but that hardware is not a structure of our brains so much, but the right balance of hormonal chems combined with a lot of skill practice and effort.

Graves disease changes you, but slowly in ways you can't notice yourself so readily. others have to point out to you how you are no longer a patient person, but short and impatient as if time were always pressing even when it isn't. And that's way out of character for you, what gives?
years of treatment later and back to the right balance, patience is what i got in buckets, focus is on what i want  when i want it.
Though of course, always easier when something specifically interest, or harder not to when if feels important to my future livelihood.

So by my POV a proper IDing of some actual chemical imbalance is required, before there is anything but a lack of practiced mental focus on display.

I know by XP, our own internal chems can make us not be able to focus. But they do not seem to specifically grant us focus either. Only that we can have if it if we practice it, unless the chems are off and then we'll not have as much personal say so over who we are and what we're thinking about any more, when the hormones that keep us alive and breeding get a bit too much "hand on the wheel" as it were.


I often find that we tend to not like to work hard and we like to make money.
So  lots of people claiming they can ID and solve 'your" problems in just 3 easy steps.
And lots of other people like that id and want to believe in that, so here we are.

Answers that involve less work, get moved to the front.
Answer that involve not taking personal blame or responsibility, also moved to the front.
And people making their money peddling those kinds of easy answers sure as hell ain't changing their tune any time soon are they?
I find that it has been the last few decades that plainly lead us here.

The child raised on 100+ tv channels and the norm that you just endlessly flip from one to the next, somehow only seeing the shows and skipping all the commercials in this way of "watching a show."
To the record now watch anytime group who no longer has to conform to any schedule for this.
To "on demand" we don't  even have to plan in advance to record the thing now.

I find that "the training" that gives us this focus and patience, is when our day to day lives just have some minimum amount of that demand in it intrinsically.
Today we can't hardly ait to find out if a text went though right fooking now.
i'd be real sure the normal life of, you send a letter, and you do not expect a reply for several weeks to even months. Pretty sure that culture just has focus and patience, without even actively thinking about it, because normal day to day life just demands it.


imagine the ambush hunter.
They have to say still, and alertly focused, for long periods of time. just to eat, nothing special or out of the norm skill training like surgeon or rocket scientist going on. just the demands of normal day to day living cultivates these sorts of things in us.
 
2021-10-26 4:55:38 PM  

PvtStash: greentea1985: PvtStash: I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.
~

It's a bit different than that. ADHD means it is hard at times to focus on things or start activities (the deficit portion) but if something has your focus, it is hard to focus on something else (the hyperactivity portion). The anxiety comes because you never quite know if you can f ...

The question in your statement is left unanswered though.
There are distinct states of existence we are needing to be sure and be real clear about for this.

Human intrinsically born capacity to have and control your own focus onto what your will desires when your will desires it. How much of this do we have, what hardware do we require to exert this capacity?
vs.
Learned skills we only have from practice in those skills.
vs.
a learned skill that has a hardware dependency.

like dancing.
Some of us seem to have some rhythm from birth, but a lot of show we can learn that. And functional legs are a hardware requirement to do something like say, a pirouette. So no amount of practice overcomes the hardware not present or not in typical working order.


And the question we really do not have answered quantifiablly is, how much of controlling our focus is a learned skill and how much of that is hardware dependent?


You see where this goes if we could have the objective answer to that question?


now by my own life's xp, so my POV, i find focus has a hardware dependency, but that hardware is not a structure of our brains so much, but the right balance of hormonal chems combined with a lot of skill practice and effort.

Graves disease changes you, but slowly in ways you can't notice yourself so readily. others have to point out to you how you are no longer a patient person, but short and impatient as if time were always pressing even when it isn't. And that's way out of character for you, what gives?
years of treatment later and back to the right balance, patience is what i got in buckets, focus is on what i want  when i want it.
Though of course, always easier when something specifically interest, or harder not to when if feels important to my future livelihood.

So by my POV a proper IDing of some actual chemical imbalance is required, before there is anything but a lack of practiced mental focus on display.

I know by XP, our own internal chems can make us not be able to focus. But they do not seem to specifically grant us focus either. Only that we can have if it if we practice it, unless the chems are off and then we'll not have as much personal say so over who we are and what we're thinking about any more, when the hormones that keep us alive and breeding get a bit too much "hand on the wheel" as it were.


I often find that we tend to not like to work hard and we like to make money.
So  lots of people claiming they can ID and solve 'your" problems in just 3 easy steps.
And lots of other people like that id and want to believe in that, so here we are.

Answers that involve less work, get moved to the front.
Answer that involve not taking personal blame or responsibility, also moved to the front.
And people making their money peddling those kinds of easy answers sure as hell ain't changing their tune any time soon are they?
I find that it has been the last few decades that plainly lead us here.

The child raised on 100+ tv channels and the norm that you just endlessly flip from one to the next, somehow only seeing the shows and skipping all the commercials in this way of "watching a show."
To the record now watch anytime group who no longer has to conform to any schedule for this.
To "on demand" we don't  even have to plan in advance to record the thing now.

I find that "the training" that gives us this focus and patience, is when our day to day lives just have some minimum amount of that demand in it intrinsically.
Today we can't hardly ait to find out if a text went though right fooking now.
i'd be real sure the normal life of, you send a letter, and you do not expect a reply for several weeks to even months. Pretty sure that culture just has focus and patience, without even actively thinking about it, because normal day to day life just demands it.


imagine the ambush hunter.
They have to say still, and alertly focused, for long periods of time. just to eat, nothing special or out of the norm skill training like surgeon or rocket scientist going on. just the demands of normal day to day living cultivates these sorts of things in us.


I ain't reading that.
 
2021-10-26 5:03:19 PM  
Smart move.  I don't trust a damn thing from a FARKer about ADHD who hasn't researched the phenomenon.
 
2021-10-26 8:27:34 PM  

millia: greentea1985: It's a bit different than that. ADHD means it is hard at times to focus on things or start activities (the deficit portion) but if something has your focus, it is hard to focus on something else (the hyperactivity portion). The anxiety comes because you never quite know if you can focus on something or not. When you are in the hyper-focused state, it's almost like a superpower, but is so frustrating when you can't focus.

New things can be very, very scary. Doing a new-to-me multi-stage task is pretty much my definition of brainlock. If you asked me to, say, organize a wedding, I would freak, internally, for weeks. As for the article, once again, women get treated poorly, and it's not cool.
/ADD before it was cool.
//Ask me about Feingold.
///every day is a new chance. don't worry about the past.


Fark Feingold. Fark carob.
 
2021-10-26 8:30:41 PM  
I didn't get diagnosed until college. My doctor asked me unsettlingly specific questions about my experience, tested me, and told me I wasn't incompetent or innately terrible and I cried for a week after decades of being accused of bad character and constant failure to achieve. I have a lot of pain from being a 'bright' kid, because people stopped treating me like a kid and expected way, way too much from me. Now I'm terrified of committing to anything or anyone relying on me. The stress piled up and exacerbated my autoimmune symptoms.

The instant I hear "you're very smart" I know there's something bad coming and things are going to go wrong. Some encouragement from my parents would have been a lot more helpful than giving me shiat for getting a B grade at the university level; my roommate's parents took him out to celebrate his first university B.

The medication gave me a circadian rhythm, and I got all my late college assignments done in a week. It was a revelation. My brain just stopped locking up.

Unfortunately, Vyvanse isn't covered, so when I left school and my extended medical expired I went off it. The generic is covered, but when I tried it, turned out it had that goddamned red dye that makes ADD symptoms worse. X(

I won't go back on it for a while, my mix of medications changed so the stimulants give me anxiety and a racing heart. My ADD is from a concussion when I was quite small, and it also led to sensory integration disorder. Not a fan of my stupid nervous system.

/ super senses are terrible and bad
 
2021-10-26 8:43:35 PM  
Pretty sure THIS ARTICLE is what ADHD looks like on women.
 
2021-10-26 8:46:27 PM  

rue_in_winter: I didn't get diagnosed until college. My doctor asked me unsettlingly specific questions about my experience, tested me, and told me I wasn't incompetent or innately terrible and I cried for a week after decades of being accused of bad character and constant failure to achieve. I have a lot of pain from being a 'bright' kid, because people stopped treating me like a kid and expected way, way too much from me. Now I'm terrified of committing to anything or anyone relying on me. The stress piled up and exacerbated my autoimmune symptoms.

The instant I hear "you're very smart" I know there's something bad coming and things are going to go wrong. Some encouragement from my parents would have been a lot more helpful than giving me shiat for getting a B grade at the university level; my roommate's parents took him out to celebrate his first university B.

The medication gave me a circadian rhythm, and I got all my late college assignments done in a week. It was a revelation. My brain just stopped locking up.

Unfortunately, Vyvanse isn't covered, so when I left school and my extended medical expired I went off it. The generic is covered, but when I tried it, turned out it had that goddamned red dye that makes ADD symptoms worse. X(

I won't go back on it for a while, my mix of medications changed so the stimulants give me anxiety and a racing heart. My ADD is from a concussion when I was quite small, and it also led to sensory integration disorder. Not a fan of my stupid nervous system.

/ super senses are terrible and bad


God, that sounds terrible.  I hope you end up in a better place soon.
 
2021-10-26 9:37:51 PM  
In that you get the help you need.
 
2021-10-26 10:10:02 PM  

gnosis301: God, that sounds terrible.  I hope you end up in a better place soon.


Thanks.

Honestly, my experience wasn't as bad as my ex's for crippling consequences. Because I was sickly, I did have access to sporadic counseling and therapy groups, I was able to get into a cognitive behavioural therapy group that was really helpful. I did have a chance to develop some insight.

He had all the same "very smart but unmotivated" comments on his school work. I arranged to get him seen by the same doctor I was because even I could see he was a textbook case, including more obvious impulse control issues than me (I'm inattentive type). He also didn't have supportive friends and mostly just had friends of convenience, so nothing for emotional support. Stepdad was a dick, grandfather was a bigger dick, mom was working to support the whole household, siblings were all older by at least 5 years.

He seemed relieved at first with the diagnosis, but he wasn't really. By the time he was diagnosed and on meds, he'd developed such an inferiority complex about his academic and intellectual capabilities that it completely did a number on his head. Getting good grades actually led to the meltdown -- he just dumped all his self-worth into grades, but took on way too much for his course load, dug his heels in when anyone said that he was doing too much, so his grades slipped anyway, which put him into a downward spiral. He'd pick stupid fights about things trying to get one over on me or my roommate.

Didn't do any of the cognitive stuff, none of the self-management, none of the reflection to identify things that triggered the anxiety and self-worth issues. He'd forget to eat, spend all his time reading, but it didn't get him ahead. He was miserable, and took it out on me and others.

He basically just took the drugs and then presumed everything in his life would turn around without any work. I broke it off with him -- he started to view me as a waste of time and avoided me, so it's not like I had anything to miss when he was gone. Roomie only put up with him for my sake at the end. Once my ex was gone, we were both just relieved.

Another friend of mine is also a textbook case, with dyslexia, but she's in the UK and they suck for cognitive disability support period, but especially for women. She got genuinely cruel treatment in school, and no family support. The one time she asked for help she was basically told she didn't deserve any by a shiathead GP, and she never tried again. She would lash out at encouragement, and never bring up when she was unhappy with things -- not like people cared before. She couldn't trust people, she had a lot of superficial friends who just weren't there for her.

Meds can help. But there's a lot more to dealing with ADD than meds, and the baggage you can be left with after going undiagnosed for so long is no joke.
 
2021-10-26 10:23:30 PM  

greentea1985: PvtStash: I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.

so everyone that believes that, go die already so the rest of us can get back to the IN PERPETUITY EVOLVING that is what existence actually is.

I do  believe that some of us lack whatever hardware is needed to control our minds enough to choose to focus our attention when and where we cant to, even if our natural instincts would not.

So it is i see "attention" as a mental skill w have to actually develop and work on, not some intrinsic power we just have to use at will from birth.
And like learning a language, that's going to be a whole lot easier when we are younger, and if we do not get certain kinds of experiences and learning in beofre we get too old(too set in what we know and do already, who we are), those lessons are goign to a lot harder to learn and cope with.


So sure, some of have a real actual impacted capacity here, but in a lot of us i do belvei the real truth is, we just never even learned to try and focus, so we do not know how to still.
We can focus when we do, because our interests are driving us, we want to know the knowledge.
but really how much can anyone care about how to run a  sales report or the TPS cover sheets kind of junk?


The monk does not have magic special inhuman powers to meditate, they merely have training an practice from a young age, and tons of it all life long. nothing in the genes that makes it that only they could have done those things, it's all in the training and practice.

It's a bit different than that. ADHD means it is hard at times to focus on things or start activities (the deficit portion) but if something has your focus, it is hard to focus on something else (the hyperactivity portion). The anxiety comes because you never quite know if you can focus on something or not. When you are in the hyper-focused state, it's almost like a superpower, but is so frustrating when you can't focus.


The really shiatty part, that I didn't learn about despite having been diagnosed for about 30 farking years... Until just last year...

The reward center of your brain as someone with ADHD doesn't fire when you complete the task your are assigned. You only get that pleasure from completing side tasks that are of lesser or questionable priority.

Since learning about this, and identifying it when it happens, I like to explain it as the worst type of procrastination. I can't get done certain things I want or need to, unless there's more important things to do.

I haven't been on medication for it for maybe 20 years, but I often think I should look into it.
 
2021-10-26 10:35:27 PM  
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2021-10-26 11:21:44 PM  

PvtStash: I mean the very idea of a deficit of attention, means you have some form of quantifiable data about what the known standard minimum amount of attention a human is born capable of, and that attention is NOT A CULTIVATED SKILL BUT AN INTRINSIC POWER of humanity.

so everyone that believes that, go die already so the rest of us can get back to the IN PERPETUITY EVOLVING that is what existence actually is.

I do  believe that some of us lack whatever hardware is needed to control our minds enough to choose to focus our attention when and where we cant to, even if our natural instincts would not.

So it is i see "attention" as a mental skill w have to actually develop and work on, not some intrinsic power we just have to use at will from birth.
And like learning a language, that's going to be a whole lot easier when we are younger, and if we do not get certain kinds of experiences and learning in beofre we get too old(too set in what we know and do already, who we are), those lessons are goign to a lot harder to learn and cope with.


So sure, some of have a real actual impacted capacity here, but in a lot of us i do belvei the real truth is, we just never even learned to try and focus, so we do not know how to still.
We can focus when we do, because our interests are driving us, we want to know the knowledge.
but really how much can anyone care about how to run a  sales report or the TPS cover sheets kind of junk?


The monk does not have magic special inhuman powers to meditate, they merely have training an practice from a young age, and tons of it all life long. nothing in the genes that makes it that only they could have done those things, it's all in the training and practice.


You know how I know you're a sociopath? You don't have the slightest idea of what an ADDADHD person's mind is like or a scintilla of belief in actual science that has amply demonstrated the existence of these conditions. Instead, you substitute your own fantasy of what you want to be true for the substantial body of peer-reviewed evidence that contradicts your imagination. You sound just like a g****n Republican.
 
2021-10-27 4:42:38 AM  

rue_in_winter: Meds can help. But there's a lot more to dealing with ADD than meds, and the baggage you can be left with after going undiagnosed for so long is no joke.


I'm a textbook case in that one.  I didn't get diagnosed until my 40s, when my life had basically blown up, and I was already dealing with major depression / anxiety / trauma / etc.

I told my boss (civil servant I reported to) my diagnosis, but not my manager at the contracting company, who were cracking down on my getting upset at my office mate who wouldn't shut up one day about personal crap when I was having my first really productive day in more than a month.

I self medicated for years with soda.  Was going through about 3L of Mt Dew a day during undergrad, and still fell asleep in almost every class.

I also need to look up what you said about red dye- I avoid red icing because of an incident when I was really young (threw up my own birthday cake), and I wonder if it's related.  I think there's a red dye that's no longer used (which was why red m&ms disappeared for a while)
 
2021-10-27 4:59:21 AM  

zepillin: they no longer diagnose whether or not you have ADD

they diagnose whether or not you're functional

if you have figured out how to deal with it you don't have it


No, they can diagnose ADHD, at least for inattentive type.

There was this test on a computer, where you had to press a button when we saw a dot.  I remember asking the doctor during the test 'is the test to see when I finally give up?' And she would give strange answers suggesting that wasn't what they were testing for.  But it was maddening trying to sit there and wait for that damned dot.

I won't say what exactly they're testing for, so I don't throw off anyone who might have to take it... but I really did not enjoy it.

...

ADHD people have a higher incident of depression than so-called 'normal' people.  Just because you're functional right now doesn't mean that your coping strategies are going to hold up forever.  Mine break down when I start getting a backlog of tasks and management won't prioritize them and I start feeling unappreciated at work and I just can't concentrate enough to get anything done.
 
2021-10-27 10:44:10 AM  

rue_in_winter: I didn't get diagnosed until college. My doctor asked me unsettlingly specific questions about my experience, tested me, and told me I wasn't incompetent or innately terrible and I cried for a week after decades of being accused of bad character and constant failure to achieve. I have a lot of pain from being a 'bright' kid, because people stopped treating me like a kid and expected way, way too much from me. Now I'm terrified of committing to anything or anyone relying on me. The stress piled up and exacerbated my autoimmune symptoms.

The instant I hear "you're very smart" I know there's something bad coming and things are going to go wrong. Some encouragement from my parents would have been a lot more helpful than giving me shiat for getting a B grade at the university level; my roommate's parents took him out to celebrate his first university B.

The medication gave me a circadian rhythm, and I got all my late college assignments done in a week. It was a revelation. My brain just stopped locking up.

Unfortunately, Vyvanse isn't covered, so when I left school and my extended medical expired I went off it. The generic is covered, but when I tried it, turned out it had that goddamned red dye that makes ADD symptoms worse. X(

I won't go back on it for a while, my mix of medications changed so the stimulants give me anxiety and a racing heart. My ADD is from a concussion when I was quite small, and it also led to sensory integration disorder. Not a fan of my stupid nervous system.

/ super senses are terrible and bad


Somebody needs to explain to me why marketing teams insist that pills need ALL BRIGHT COLORS ALL THE TIME. That shiat is completely unnecessary and can straight up kill people, not to mention all the joys it brings for the ADD crowd.

Don't even get me started on the generic Benadryl that is bright pink. "Hey, let's treat your allergic reaction by giving you more stuff you're allergic to!"
 
2021-10-27 11:07:29 AM  

Liadan: rue_in_winter: I didn't get diagnosed until college. My doctor asked me unsettlingly specific questions about my experience, tested me, and told me I wasn't incompetent or innately terrible and I cried for a week after decades of being accused of bad character and constant failure to achieve. I have a lot of pain from being a 'bright' kid, because people stopped treating me like a kid and expected way, way too much from me. Now I'm terrified of committing to anything or anyone relying on me. The stress piled up and exacerbated my autoimmune symptoms.

The instant I hear "you're very smart" I know there's something bad coming and things are going to go wrong. Some encouragement from my parents would have been a lot more helpful than giving me shiat for getting a B grade at the university level; my roommate's parents took him out to celebrate his first university B.

The medication gave me a circadian rhythm, and I got all my late college assignments done in a week. It was a revelation. My brain just stopped locking up.

Unfortunately, Vyvanse isn't covered, so when I left school and my extended medical expired I went off it. The generic is covered, but when I tried it, turned out it had that goddamned red dye that makes ADD symptoms worse. X(

I won't go back on it for a while, my mix of medications changed so the stimulants give me anxiety and a racing heart. My ADD is from a concussion when I was quite small, and it also led to sensory integration disorder. Not a fan of my stupid nervous system.

/ super senses are terrible and bad

Somebody needs to explain to me why marketing teams insist that pills need ALL BRIGHT COLORS ALL THE TIME. That shiat is completely unnecessary and can straight up kill people, not to mention all the joys it brings for the ADD crowd.

Don't even get me started on the generic Benadryl that is bright pink. "Hey, let's treat your allergic reaction by giving you more stuff you're allergic to!"


Having had a lot of very similar-looking medications, I get why it's a good idea to differentiate them. And if your vision isn't very good, it's quite helpful.

But yeah, dyes that were in use for a long time aren't without possible complications.
 
2021-10-27 12:07:45 PM  

Liadan: ALL BRIGHT COLORS ALL THE TIME
I used to laugh at all the goofy colors and shapes until I started needing to spot check multiple pills twice a day


rue_in_winter: Some of the worst shiat I ever did hear


That hyperblows. I count my blessings at least once a week that I had the money, time, and wherewithal to put the brakes on when my coping mechanisms failed and I picked up a panic disorder.

One of the hardest parts was re-evaluating irrational behavior, because those are checks you were really hoping wouldn't get cashed.

If anyone's wondering, it took 9 full-time months to dig out of my particular hole. I could survive burning out the rotted parts, I couldn't survive inflicting insecurity onto my wife.
 
2021-10-27 12:30:06 PM  

Oneiros: zepillin: they no longer diagnose whether or not you have ADD

they diagnose whether or not you're functional

if you have figured out how to deal with it you don't have it

No, they can diagnose ADHD, at least for inattentive type.

There was this test on a computer, where you had to press a button when we saw a dot.  I remember asking the doctor during the test 'is the test to see when I finally give up?' And she would give strange answers suggesting that wasn't what they were testing for.  But it was maddening trying to sit there and wait for that damned dot.

I won't say what exactly they're testing for, so I don't throw off anyone who might have to take it... but I really did not enjoy it.

...

ADHD people have a higher incident of depression than so-called 'normal' people.  Just because you're functional right now doesn't mean that your coping strategies are going to hold up forever.  Mine break down when I start getting a backlog of tasks and management won't prioritize them and I start feeling unappreciated at work and I just can't concentrate enough to get anything done.


Read the current questions that used to diagnose ADD and get back to me
 
2021-10-27 12:40:19 PM  

Spermbot: You know how I know you're a sociopath? You don't have the slightest idea of what an ADDADHD person's mind is like or a scintilla of belief in actual science that has amply demonstrated the existence of these conditions. Instead, you substitute your own fantasy of what you want to b ...


This is a pretty hurtful, short sighted assessment of the comment you're talking about, and it really falls short of warranting that kind of judgement.

PVTStash is presenting a perspective on how he thinks focus and motivation works. In real substance, what he's saying about the failure to develop tools in people experiencing ADHD is very true. In my personal experience, how he describes improving focus is also true, but painful to hear as an ADHD person because those are the very activities that have monumental barriers for me.

There wasn't nearly enough judgement, presumption, or dismissal to warrant calling PVTStash a sociopath.
 
2021-10-27 12:43:57 PM  

zepillin: Oneiros: zepillin: they no longer diagnose whether or not you have ADD

they diagnose whether or not you're functional

if you have figured out how to deal with it you don't have it

No, they can diagnose ADHD, at least for inattentive type.

There was this test on a computer, where you had to press a button when we saw a dot.  I remember asking the doctor during the test 'is the test to see when I finally give up?' And she would give strange answers suggesting that wasn't what they were testing for.  But it was maddening trying to sit there and wait for that damned dot.

I won't say what exactly they're testing for, so I don't throw off anyone who might have to take it... but I really did not enjoy it.

...

ADHD people have a higher incident of depression than so-called 'normal' people.  Just because you're functional right now doesn't mean that your coping strategies are going to hold up forever.  Mine break down when I start getting a backlog of tasks and management won't prioritize them and I start feeling unappreciated at work and I just can't concentrate enough to get anything done.

Read the current questions that used to diagnose ADD and get back to me


You give me an exact link to the ones you don't like or you can fark right off.  I'm not wasting my time to find some questions and then you to complain that I'm looking at the wrong ones.

There was some self-reporting type questions that I had to do, but that is NOT a formal diagnosis.

And unless it's changed in the past 4 years, 'ADD' is the OLD designation, everything now is ADHD, even if you don't have hyperactivity.
 
2021-10-27 12:54:57 PM  

Oneiros: zepillin: Oneiros: zepillin: they no longer diagnose whether or not you have ADD

they diagnose whether or not you're functional

if you have figured out how to deal with it you don't have it

No, they can diagnose ADHD, at least for inattentive type.

There was this test on a computer, where you had to press a button when we saw a dot.  I remember asking the doctor during the test 'is the test to see when I finally give up?' And she would give strange answers suggesting that wasn't what they were testing for.  But it was maddening trying to sit there and wait for that damned dot.

I won't say what exactly they're testing for, so I don't throw off anyone who might have to take it... but I really did not enjoy it.

...

ADHD people have a higher incident of depression than so-called 'normal' people.  Just because you're functional right now doesn't mean that your coping strategies are going to hold up forever.  Mine break down when I start getting a backlog of tasks and management won't prioritize them and I start feeling unappreciated at work and I just can't concentrate enough to get anything done.

Read the current questions that used to diagnose ADD and get back to me

You give me an exact link to the ones you don't like or you can fark right off.  I'm not wasting my time to find some questions and then you to complain that I'm looking at the wrong ones.

There was some self-reporting type questions that I had to do, but that is NOT a formal diagnosis.

And unless it's changed in the past 4 years, 'ADD' is the OLD designation, everything now is ADHD, even if you don't have hyperactivity.


The old stuff was accurate
If you Google the questions are in your face
 
2021-10-27 1:27:53 PM  
And the point at which they droped the ADD designation is the point where their hypothesis began to go askew Predominantly for academic and political Considerations
 
2021-10-27 2:46:46 PM  

zepillin: Oneiros: zepillin: Oneiros:

You give me an exact link to the ones you don't like or you can fark right off.  I'm not wasting my time to find some questions and then you to complain that I'm looking at the wrong ones.

There was some self-reporting type questions that I had to do, but that is NOT a formal diagnosis.

And unless it's changed in the past 4 years, 'ADD' is the OLD designation, everything now is ADHD, even if you don't have hyperactivity.

The old stuff was accurate
If you Google the questions are in your face


Right.  So you can fark right off then.

There are a ton of 'screening' questions out there to figure out if someone should be sent to a psychologist to be diagnosed.

You won't tell me which questions you think are so great, and are too lazy to link to them, so go fark yourself for wasting my time
 
2021-10-27 2:52:33 PM  

zepillin: Oneiros: zepillin: Oneiros: zepillin: they no longer diagnose whether or not you have ADD

they diagnose whether or not you're functional

if you have figured out how to deal with it you don't have it

No, they can diagnose ADHD, at least for inattentive type.

There was this test on a computer, where you had to press a button when we saw a dot.  I remember asking the doctor during the test 'is the test to see when I finally give up?' And she would give strange answers suggesting that wasn't what they were testing for.  But it was maddening trying to sit there and wait for that damned dot.

I won't say what exactly they're testing for, so I don't throw off anyone who might have to take it... but I really did not enjoy it.

...

ADHD people have a higher incident of depression than so-called 'normal' people.  Just because you're functional right now doesn't mean that your coping strategies are going to hold up forever.  Mine break down when I start getting a backlog of tasks and management won't prioritize them and I start feeling unappreciated at work and I just can't concentrate enough to get anything done.

Read the current questions that used to diagnose ADD and get back to me

You give me an exact link to the ones you don't like or you can fark right off.  I'm not wasting my time to find some questions and then you to complain that I'm looking at the wrong ones.

There was some self-reporting type questions that I had to do, but that is NOT a formal diagnosis.

And unless it's changed in the past 4 years, 'ADD' is the OLD designation, everything now is ADHD, even if you don't have hyperactivity.

The old stuff was accurate
If you Google the questions are in your face


It's on you to link them.
 
2021-10-27 4:55:55 PM  

zepillin: And the point at which they droped the ADD designation is the point where their hypothesis began to go askew Predominantly for academic and political Considerations


Political considerations?  What does that mean?
 
2021-10-27 6:19:32 PM  

OutsmartBullet: Liadan: ALL BRIGHT COLORS ALL THE TIME
I used to laugh at all the goofy colors and shapes until I started needing to spot check multiple pills twice a day


rue_in_winter: Some of the worst shiat I ever did hear

That hyperblows. I count my blessings at least once a week that I had the money, time, and wherewithal to put the brakes on when my coping mechanisms failed and I picked up a panic disorder.

One of the hardest parts was re-evaluating irrational behavior, because those are checks you were really hoping wouldn't get cashed.


Truth. Anxiety feels like a particular failure, except it can also really serve in a bunch of ways, so you can get some really screwed up approaches to issues. Until you have to look at it, it seems normal. Then you see it's not, and that also feels bad, because 'normal' people don't do this shiat, it's just you being a farkup again. Not fun.

If anyone's wondering, it took 9 full-time months to dig out of my particular hole. I could survive burning out the rotted parts, I couldn't survive inflicting insecurity onto my wife.

Props for making that decision, that cannot have been an easy process.

I suggested counseling to my ex and my friend, but they both said there was nothing to talk about. :(

Sometimes people just get set up to fail -- they don't have access to help, they don't know they need help, they don't think they deserve help. It's awful what a waste it is, and how much pain it causes.
 
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