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2021-10-26 9:17:38 AM  
Sigh
 
2021-10-26 9:26:09 AM  
No it's Alec Baldwin's fault because he's the most famous of the dozen producers.
 
2021-10-26 9:26:18 AM  

baka-san: Sigh


This.
 
2021-10-26 9:26:40 AM  
You see, it's not "those people" per se that I don't like, it's just their culture.  It's toxic and their continued devotion to it is what's really keeping them down.
 
2021-10-26 9:35:43 AM  
Wow, just wow.
 
2021-10-26 9:38:10 AM  
This sounds more and more like a Keystone Kops production with every new detail.
 
2021-10-26 9:38:32 AM  
So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

1. Someone broke into the armorer's trailer ::cough:: AD ::cough:: and took at least one gun, quite likely three or the armorer somehow had left three guns unsecured on set.

2. Guns left unsecured, probably on armorer's cart.

3 The crew used prop guns for target practice with real live ammo.

4. Someone put the guns on the armorer's cart without unloading them.

5.  AD took gun from cart and assumed ammunition clearly in gun was dummy ammo without checking it.

6. AD declares cold gun, gives it to Baldwin to rehearse scene.

7.  Baldwin while practicing drawing and pointing the gun at the camera, accidentally pulls the trigger.

8. Gun fires the real bullet, killing the DP and injuring the director.

That's a bad chain of events that shouldn't have happened. Baldwin the actor isn't that screwed, but Baldwin the producer and his production company certainly are. The AD is the person most likely facing jail time. The armorer will definitely be facing tough questions if she is the one who didn't secure the guns so they couldn't be used for target practice. However, it seems more likely someone broke into her trailer and was using the weapons without her there. It is a complete shiatshow of failures.
 
2021-10-26 9:38:45 AM  
Oh goodie, I can't wait for the MFers I have previously color coded in orange to parade through declaring industry experts wrong and telling us why Baldwin belongs in prison. If only they were so concerned about eliminating gun deaths in any other circumstances.
 
2021-10-26 9:42:12 AM  
Oh, they were just a couple of patriots celebrating their God given rights as Amer

Nope, not even as a joke. This gun fetishism that infects 1/3rd of this country is a sickness and it is killing people.

And it will continue to kill people because that same 1/3rd have enough of their people in power who have made protecting their toy collection their number one priority.
 
2021-10-26 9:44:07 AM  
This story is so quintessentially 'murican.
/depressingly so.
//but, has the media provided us an update on whether
or not the gun used is safe & sound?
 
2021-10-26 9:44:12 AM  
Oh, they were farking around plinking with the guns and then didn't unload it when finished. Completely irresponsible. I'm not a trained and licensed handler and *I* know better than that.
 
2021-10-26 9:44:58 AM  

Omnidirectional Punching: Oh goodie, I can't wait for the MFers I have previously color coded in orange to parade through declaring industry experts wrong and telling us why Baldwin belongs in prison. If only they were so concerned about eliminating gun deaths in any other circumstances.


Way to get out in front of that and preemptively refute them.
 
2021-10-26 9:46:19 AM  

GoldSpider: Omnidirectional Punching: Oh goodie, I can't wait for the MFers I have previously color coded in orange to parade through declaring industry experts wrong and telling us why Baldwin belongs in prison. If only they were so concerned about eliminating gun deaths in any other circumstances.

Way to get out in front of that and preemptively refute them.


Well, well, well.
 
2021-10-26 9:48:16 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: No it's Alec Baldwin's fault because he's the most famous of the dozen producers.


I'm not saying it's fair, but this is pretty much how it works politically.  Some GS-6 working for the Department of Agriculture does something stupid and President ____'s fault.
 
2021-10-26 9:48:31 AM  

Omnidirectional Punching: GoldSpider: Omnidirectional Punching: Oh goodie, I can't wait for the MFers I have previously color coded in orange to parade through declaring industry experts wrong and telling us why Baldwin belongs in prison. If only they were so concerned about eliminating gun deaths in any other circumstances.

Way to get out in front of that and preemptively refute them.

Well, well, well.


Still responding to arguments you imagine people are posting.
 
2021-10-26 9:51:23 AM  

greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

1. Someone broke into the armorer's trailer ::cough:: AD ::cough:: and took at least one gun, quite likely three or the armorer somehow had left three guns unsecured on set.

2. Guns left unsecured, probably on armorer's cart.

3 The crew used prop guns for target practice with real live ammo.

4. Someone put the guns on the armorer's cart without unloading them.

5.  AD took gun from cart and assumed ammunition clearly in gun was dummy ammo without checking it.

6. AD declares cold gun, gives it to Baldwin to rehearse scene.

7.  Baldwin while practicing drawing and pointing the gun at the camera, accidentally pulls the trigger.

8. Gun fires the real bullet, killing the DP and injuring the director.

That's a bad chain of events that shouldn't have happened. Baldwin the actor isn't that screwed, but Baldwin the producer and his production company certainly are. The AD is the person most likely facing jail time. The armorer will definitely be facing tough questions if she is the one who didn't secure the guns so they couldn't be used for target practice. However, it seems more likely someone broke into her trailer and was using the weapons without her there. It is a complete shiatshow of failures.


Sounds pretty reasonable synopsis.  Probably no charges beyond something "negligent" but I bet the production company is toast.
 
2021-10-26 9:51:36 AM  

GoldSpider: Omnidirectional Punching: Oh goodie, I can't wait for the MFers I have previously color coded in orange to parade through declaring industry experts wrong and telling us why Baldwin belongs in prison. If only they were so concerned about eliminating gun deaths in any other circumstances.

Way to get out in front of that and preemptively refute them.


"In before (comment that won't appear in the thread)!!"
 
2021-10-26 9:52:12 AM  

greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

1. Someone broke into the armorer's trailer ::cough:: AD ::cough:: and took at least one gun, quite likely three or the armorer somehow had left three guns unsecured on set.

2. Guns left unsecured, probably on armorer's cart.

3 The crew used prop guns for target practice with real live ammo.

4. Someone put the guns on the armorer's cart without unloading them.

5.  AD took gun from cart and assumed ammunition clearly in gun was dummy ammo without checking it.

6. AD declares cold gun, gives it to Baldwin to rehearse scene.

7.  Baldwin while practicing drawing and pointing the gun at the camera, accidentally pulls the trigger.

8. Gun fires the real bullet, killing the DP and injuring the director.

That's a bad chain of events that shouldn't have happened. Baldwin the actor isn't that screwed, but Baldwin the producer and his production company certainly are. The AD is the person most likely facing jail time. The armorer will definitely be facing tough questions if she is the one who didn't secure the guns so they couldn't be used for target practice. However, it seems more likely someone broke into her trailer and was using the weapons without her there. It is a complete shiatshow of failures.


It's really starting to look like between Baldwin and this asshole AD, the armorer might end up being the least culpable by a good bit.  There's still the inescapable matter of the guns being under her responsibility (on paper, at least).  But it feels like she was likely overruled and challenged at every possible avenue, and I would not be surprised in the slightest to learn that her job and future prospects of employment were threatened prior to this.

Of course, the sad part is now she's learned hard lessons in the worst possible way, and that in itself might restrict or terminate any chance she has at a continued career in the field.
 
2021-10-26 9:54:29 AM  

GoldSpider: Omnidirectional Punching: GoldSpider: Omnidirectional Punching: Oh goodie, I can't wait for the MFers I have previously color coded in orange to parade through declaring industry experts wrong and telling us why Baldwin belongs in prison. If only they were so concerned about eliminating gun deaths in any other circumstances.

Way to get out in front of that and preemptively refute them.

Well, well, well.

Still responding to arguments you imagine people are posting.


There has been more than one thread.
 
2021-10-26 9:54:39 AM  
Yes but "plinking" is in the Constitution. As is well known.
 
2021-10-26 9:55:06 AM  

greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

1. Someone broke into the armorer's trailer ::cough:: AD ::cough:: and took at least one gun, quite likely three or the armorer somehow had left three guns unsecured on set.

2. Guns left unsecured, probably on armorer's cart.

3 The crew used prop guns for target practice with real live ammo.

4. Someone put the guns on the armorer's cart without unloading them.

5.  AD took gun from cart and assumed ammunition clearly in gun was dummy ammo without checking it.

6. AD declares cold gun, gives it to Baldwin to rehearse scene.

7.  Baldwin while practicing drawing and pointing the gun at the camera, accidentally pulls the trigger.

8. Gun fires the real bullet, killing the DP and injuring the director.

That's a bad chain of events that shouldn't have happened. Baldwin the actor isn't that screwed, but Baldwin the producer and his production company certainly are. The AD is the person most likely facing jail time. The armorer will definitely be facing tough questions if she is the one who didn't secure the guns so they couldn't be used for target practice. However, it seems more likely someone broke into her trailer and was using the weapons without her there. It is a complete shiatshow of failures.


Given the disrespect they clearly showed the armorer (left off the day the shooting happened, when no gun usage should have happened without her), I'd bet the AD convinced someone in charge he should also have the keys to access the guns.

Also hasn't been confirmed but he sounds like the kind of yahoo who would take his friends shooting with the prop guns.
 
2021-10-26 9:56:31 AM  

GoldSpider: greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

1. Someone broke into the armorer's trailer ::cough:: AD ::cough:: and took at least one gun, quite likely three or the armorer somehow had left three guns unsecured on set.

2. Guns left unsecured, probably on armorer's cart.

3 The crew used prop guns for target practice with real live ammo.

4. Someone put the guns on the armorer's cart without unloading them.

5.  AD took gun from cart and assumed ammunition clearly in gun was dummy ammo without checking it.

6. AD declares cold gun, gives it to Baldwin to rehearse scene.

7.  Baldwin while practicing drawing and pointing the gun at the camera, accidentally pulls the trigger.

8. Gun fires the real bullet, killing the DP and injuring the director.

That's a bad chain of events that shouldn't have happened. Baldwin the actor isn't that screwed, but Baldwin the producer and his production company certainly are. The AD is the person most likely facing jail time. The armorer will definitely be facing tough questions if she is the one who didn't secure the guns so they couldn't be used for target practice. However, it seems more likely someone broke into her trailer and was using the weapons without her there. It is a complete shiatshow of failures.

Sounds pretty reasonable synopsis.  Probably no charges beyond something "negligent" but I bet the production company is toast.


That's why there's often a brand new production company for nearly every film. They're a liability if you lie about your ability.
 
2021-10-26 9:57:11 AM  

greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

<snipped chain of events for brevity>.



So if this is the case, the fault lies with the people who took the weapons without authorization, and the armorer for leaving them lying around like toys.  The fact that these are not supposed to be "real" guns makes them all the more dangerous.  They should have been under lock and key, with trigger locks, and ALWAYS unloaded until they're ready for a take.
 
2021-10-26 9:58:59 AM  
Why wasn't there a chain of custody where the armorer is the only person allowed to hand out and collect firearms?  That doesn't seem like a really hard thing to setup.
 
2021-10-26 10:00:35 AM  

Great_Milenko: greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

<snipped chain of events for brevity>.

So if this is the case, the fault lies with the people who took the weapons without authorization, and the armorer for leaving them lying around like toys.  The fact that these are not supposed to be "real" guns makes them all the more dangerous.  They should have been under lock and key, with trigger locks, and ALWAYS unloaded until they're ready for a take.


It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.
 
2021-10-26 10:00:51 AM  

UncleDirtNap: Why wasn't there a chain of custody where the armorer is the only person allowed to hand out and collect firearms?  That doesn't seem like a really hard thing to setup.


It's not, and seems to be the industry standard. The AD appears to have been overruling and sidelining the armorer, using guns even when the armorer isn't on set. The AD is in charge of safety.
 
2021-10-26 10:02:18 AM  

Clutch2013: greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

1. Someone broke into the armorer's trailer ::cough:: AD ::cough:: and took at least one gun, quite likely three or the armorer somehow had left three guns unsecured on set.

2. Guns left unsecured, probably on armorer's cart.

3 The crew used prop guns for target practice with real live ammo.

4. Someone put the guns on the armorer's cart without unloading them.

5.  AD took gun from cart and assumed ammunition clearly in gun was dummy ammo without checking it.

6. AD declares cold gun, gives it to Baldwin to rehearse scene.

7.  Baldwin while practicing drawing and pointing the gun at the camera, accidentally pulls the trigger.

8. Gun fires the real bullet, killing the DP and injuring the director.

That's a bad chain of events that shouldn't have happened. Baldwin the actor isn't that screwed, but Baldwin the producer and his production company certainly are. The AD is the person most likely facing jail time. The armorer will definitely be facing tough questions if she is the one who didn't secure the guns so they couldn't be used for target practice. However, it seems more likely someone broke into her trailer and was using the weapons without her there. It is a complete shiatshow of failures.

It's really starting to look like between Baldwin and this asshole AD, the armorer might end up being the least culpable by a good bit.  There's still the inescapable matter of the guns being under her responsibility (on paper, at least).  But it feels like she was likely overruled and challenged at every possible avenue, and I would not be surprised in the slightest to learn that her job and future prospects of employment were threatened prior to this.

Of course, the sad part is now she's learned hard lessons in the worst possible way, and that in itself might restrict or terminate any chance she has at a continued career in the field.


Somehow, I suspect the person that funnied this knows the AD.
 
2021-10-26 10:03:27 AM  

gunga galunga: Oh, they were just a couple of patriots celebrating their God given rights as Amer

Nope, not even as a joke. This gun fetishism that infects 1/3rd of this country is a sickness and it is killing people.

And it will continue to kill people because that same 1/3rd have enough of their people in power who have made protecting their toy collection their number one priority.


What's amazing is how this exact way of thinking is also what infects anti-mask, anti-vax idiots.  "They're trying to take away muh rites!"  No we're not, really.  We're trying to maintain a working society and it's morons like you that are wrecking it by making it unsafe.  And if you'd really stop to think about it, the "rights" you are fighting so hard for are trivial and frivolous.  I'd also argue they have no real place or meaning in a high population, modern democracy.   At most, you are being mildly inconvenienced and so your response is way out of proportion.
 
2021-10-26 10:06:38 AM  

GoldSpider: Great_Milenko: greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

<snipped chain of events for brevity>.

So if this is the case, the fault lies with the people who took the weapons without authorization, and the armorer for leaving them lying around like toys.  The fact that these are not supposed to be "real" guns makes them all the more dangerous.  They should have been under lock and key, with trigger locks, and ALWAYS unloaded until they're ready for a take.

It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.


The issue is that a western typically requires period weapons, which there often aren't electric versions or versions that can only shoot blanks. Particularly for the classic scene where the gun is pointed straight at the barrel, a real gun with dummy ammo is the most convincing. The problem is dummy ammo looks just like real ammo. The traditional test is to unload the ammo and shake it. Dummy ammo has BBs where the primer and powder should be and will rattle. So it is very hard to tell a real gun loaded with real live ammunition from a real gun loaded with dummy ammunition
 
2021-10-26 10:06:53 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Oh, they were farking around plinking with the guns and then didn't unload it when finished. Completely irresponsible. I'm not a trained and licensed handler and *I* know better than that.


Yeah what the fark. Presumably, not being a Hollywood Gun Supplier Guy, you keep all prop guns far far away from ones that are used for non movie purposes. Also blank ammunition should be the only thing allowed on the film lot.
Unless you are chasing off bears from the shoot, obviously.
 
2021-10-26 10:09:02 AM  

GoldSpider: Great_Milenko: greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

<snipped chain of events for brevity>.

So if this is the case, the fault lies with the people who took the weapons without authorization, and the armorer for leaving them lying around like toys.  The fact that these are not supposed to be "real" guns makes them all the more dangerous.  They should have been under lock and key, with trigger locks, and ALWAYS unloaded until they're ready for a take.

It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.


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2021-10-26 10:11:12 AM  
Why is it so hard for Hollywood to discharge dummies?
 
2021-10-26 10:12:04 AM  
GoldSpider:It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.

... the only reason for which seems to be so that whiny-ass gun nuts don't mock a movie for using unrealistic guns and ammo.
 
2021-10-26 10:12:49 AM  

Michael J Faux: Why is it so hard for Hollywood to discharge dummies?


Because they're bad at separating blanks from live loads?
 
2021-10-26 10:14:06 AM  

Enigmamf: GoldSpider:It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.

... the only reason for which seems to be so that whiny-ass gun nuts don't mock a movie for using unrealistic guns and ammo.


Got news for you, Hollywood gets so many things wrong about firearms, the gun enthusiasts don't really care.

It's the "artistes" running the show who want the backpatting for verisimilitude and get obsessed over accuracy.
 
2021-10-26 10:14:07 AM  

Omnidirectional Punching: Oh goodie, I can't wait for the MFers I have previously color coded in orange to parade through declaring industry experts wrong and telling us why Baldwin belongs in prison. If only they were so concerned about eliminating gun deaths in any other circumstances.


Baldwin the actor appears to be in the clear.  Baldwin the producer is a little murkier.  From what I've gathered, there's at least four or five kinds of Producers.

* It's strictly a vanity credit for the producer's ego / profit sharing.  Usually when the writer, star, or director is listed as a producer.

* It's strictly an investor who gets a production credit.

* It's a way to honor and reward the creator of an adapted work, especially if they originally sold off their now valuable IP cheap, and to placate the fans.  I believe Stan Lee was credited as a producer on most Marvel films.

* It's a producer who got the film started in the pre-production phase.  Calling in favors, securing stars, getting locations secured,etc.

* The actual on-set, hands-on producer.  The Gale Anne Hurd type.  They try to keep the film on time, on budget, the stars happy, and the director on script.  They ride the cast and crew to get it done.
 
2021-10-26 10:14:52 AM  

greentea1985: GoldSpider: Great_Milenko: greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

<snipped chain of events for brevity>.

So if this is the case, the fault lies with the people who took the weapons without authorization, and the armorer for leaving them lying around like toys.  The fact that these are not supposed to be "real" guns makes them all the more dangerous.  They should have been under lock and key, with trigger locks, and ALWAYS unloaded until they're ready for a take.

It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.

The issue is that a western typically requires period weapons, which there often aren't electric versions or versions that can only shoot blanks. Particularly for the classic scene where the gun is pointed straight at the barrel, a real gun with dummy ammo is the most convincing. The problem is dummy ammo looks just like real ammo. The traditional test is to unload the ammo and shake it. Dummy ammo has BBs where the primer and powder should be and will rattle. So it is very hard to tell a real gun loaded with real live ammunition from a real gun loaded with dummy ammunition


It's making a replica firearm, not splitting the atom.
 
2021-10-26 10:15:34 AM  

Persnickety: gunga galunga: Oh, they were just a couple of patriots celebrating their God given rights as Amer

Nope, not even as a joke. This gun fetishism that infects 1/3rd of this country is a sickness and it is killing people.

And it will continue to kill people because that same 1/3rd have enough of their people in power who have made protecting their toy collection their number one priority.

What's amazing is how this exact way of thinking is also what infects anti-mask, anti-vax idiots.  "They're trying to take away muh rites!"  No we're not, really.  We're trying to maintain a working society and it's morons like you that are wrecking it by making it unsafe.  And if you'd really stop to think about it, the "rights" you are fighting so hard for are trivial and frivolous.  I'd also argue they have no real place or meaning in a high population, modern democracy.   At most, you are being mildly inconvenienced and so your response is way out of proportion.


OK, you don't like guns.  We're not going to argue that.  But the thing is, the guns (for once) is less of an issue than the fact that this clusterf*ck of a movie production is documented as having flipped the bird to all manners of safety procedures and protocol.  If it wasn't going to be the guns, it probably would have been the AD thinking he's a horse wrangler, overruling the actual horse wrangler, and then staring Pikachu-faced when his improper handling of a horse compelled it to kick someone into the next county with all of the potentially lethal consequences that entails.

This production was enough of a sh*tshow to compel crew members to walk, and it's increasingly looking like at least two people hold the lion's share of the responsibility for that - Baldwin in his producer capacity, and the AD who has a history of stupidity.
 
2021-10-26 10:20:57 AM  
Also mentioned in the article, the fact that they were able to continue production after a bunch of people walked off the set because New Mexico is a "right to work" state.

This woman was killed by The United States of America.
 
2021-10-26 10:23:20 AM  

mudesi: Also mentioned in the article, the fact that they were able to continue production after a bunch of people walked off the set because New Mexico is a "right to work" state.

This woman was killed by The United States of America.


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2021-10-26 10:26:46 AM  
And following any one of the 4 rules at ANY stage before the shooting would have prevented this.

Any of them, by anyway.  Just one person.

The armorer left weapons unsecured.
The crew/actors took weapons that were demonstrably to be used on set and put live ammo through them, then didn't check to confirm they were unloaded before putting them back.
The cast member (Baldwin) didn't check a weapon when he was handed it.
He pointed a weapon he didn't check at another human.
He didn't see what was behind said human.
He pulled a trigger on a weapon he didn't check.

Out of all of them, the armorer is absolutely farked.  Multiple failures on multiple parts.  All prevented by people CHECKING A WEAPON BEFORE PULLING A TRIGGER.
 
2021-10-26 10:27:40 AM  
I head that someone slipped on the first day of production and Baldwin was never once seen with a mop in his hand. How could he let that happen?
 
2021-10-26 10:30:29 AM  

NOLAhd: This sounds more and more like a Keystone Kops production with every new detail.


I suspect that almost all "indie" productions are like this in terms of completely ignoring safety and security rules for cast and crew (and who knows what else).

We just don't hear about the 99% of productions that don't have fatal mishaps.
 
2021-10-26 10:35:44 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I head that someone slipped on the first day of production and Baldwin was never once seen with a mop in his hand. How could he let that happen?


Because no one was killed because of mishandling and outright malfeasance with dangerous mops.
 
2021-10-26 10:36:08 AM  

Boojum2k: Enigmamf: GoldSpider:It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.

... the only reason for which seems to be so that whiny-ass gun nuts don't mock a movie for using unrealistic guns and ammo.

Got news for you, Hollywood gets so many things wrong about firearms, the gun enthusiasts don't really care.

It's the "artistes" running the show who want the backpatting for verisimilitude and get obsessed over accuracy.


Don't forget the back-slapping self-important wankery of awards season.
 
2021-10-26 10:36:58 AM  

Mr_Vimes: Boojum2k: Enigmamf: GoldSpider:It's unbelievable to me that there is ANY need for a real firearm on a film set.  Ever.

... the only reason for which seems to be so that whiny-ass gun nuts don't mock a movie for using unrealistic guns and ammo.

Got news for you, Hollywood gets so many things wrong about firearms, the gun enthusiasts don't really care.

It's the "artistes" running the show who want the backpatting for verisimilitude and get obsessed over accuracy.

Don't forget the back-slapping self-important wankery of awards season.


Well, I was trying to. . .
 
2021-10-26 10:40:53 AM  

Bio-nic: HotWingConspiracy: I head that someone slipped on the first day of production and Baldwin was never once seen with a mop in his hand. How could he let that happen?

Because no one was killed because of mishandling and outright malfeasance with dangerous mops.


Someone got a bruise though. Why wasn't there a meeting with all of the producers?
 
2021-10-26 10:41:23 AM  

GoldSpider: The issue is that a western typically requires period weapons, which there often aren't electric versions or versions that can only shoot blanks.


You're so full of shiat I'm surprised they don't call you brownie.

Yes, you can absolutely use blanks in 'period' weapons - in fact it's actually safer all around if you do.  You load a powder charge and a wad into a shell with a (usually paraffin wax cap) and then shoot that.  Or, lacking that, you crimp off the end of the shell so all the powder burns and makes a flash out the end of the barrel.

/ has reloaded period correct ammo since he was 10.
// this was a failure of the 4 rules, not a failure of the weapon.
 
2021-10-26 10:41:27 AM  

Bio-nic: HotWingConspiracy: I head that someone slipped on the first day of production and Baldwin was never once seen with a mop in his hand. How could he let that happen?

Because no one was killed because of mishandling and outright malfeasance with dangerous mops.


We have a number of politroid Farkers who are only upset that Alec Baldwin, who rather effectively and thoroughly skewered and lampooned Trump, is now inconvenienced by having killed a woman who dared stand before his gun.

That his politics are entirely beside the point, and the chain of events leading him to the fatal error were a pattern of disregard by multiple people on the set, is irrelevant. He must be beyond criticism in case his critical satire skills are needed once again.

Basically, they're disgusting political cheerleaders who don't actually care about anything but points on the board.
 
2021-10-26 10:42:33 AM  

greentea1985: So let's see if we can get this chain of failures down.

1. Someone broke into the armorer's trailer ::cough:: AD ::cough:: and took at least one gun, quite likely three or the armorer somehow had left three guns unsecured on set.

2. Guns left unsecured, probably on armorer's cart.

3 The crew used prop guns for target practice with real live ammo.

4. Someone put the guns on the armorer's cart without unloading them.

5.  AD took gun from cart and assumed ammunition clearly in gun was dummy ammo without checking it.

6. AD declares cold gun, gives it to Baldwin to rehearse scene.

7.  Baldwin while practicing drawing and pointing the gun at the camera, accidentally pulls the trigger.

8. Gun fires the real bullet, killing the DP and injuring the director.

That's a bad chain of events that shouldn't have happened. Baldwin the actor isn't that screwed, but Baldwin the producer and his production company certainly are. The AD is the person most likely facing jail time. The armorer will definitely be facing tough questions if she is the one who didn't secure the guns so they couldn't be used for target practice. However, it seems more likely someone broke into her trailer and was using the weapons without her there. It is a complete shiatshow of failures.


So it was basically that Simpsons where Bart got into the condemned jail, turned on the electric chair to fry things, and then Mayor Quimby got into it to do a live fake demonstration of what happens to criminals in his town without making sure that the power was still disconnected?

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