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(Mother Jones)   Much like his crown, King Manchin's blatant congressional conflict of interest may have a silver lining if reform of DC's ethical cesspool is on the way   (motherjones.com) divider line
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2021-10-26 9:47:08 AM  
He's one of 538. There are 500 others just like him in congress. Nothing we can do about it.
 
2021-10-26 10:08:24 AM  
"He specifically opposed the proposed Clean Electricity Performance Program, a $150 billion package of financial carrots and sticks designed to transition American industries from fossil fuels to renewable energy."

Because of course he did.

He knows what side of the bread his butter is on.
 
2021-10-26 10:09:12 AM  
Yeah... Not happening. Just look at how the folks who pass laws that can make or break industries, especially financial and tech, make the bulk of their personal finances: opensecrets.org

The congresscritters who aren't owned wholecloth by others have too much skin in the game to let such a silly thing as ethics change how they butter their biscuits.

/ In this metaphor "butter" means earn money
// and biscuits means... Biscuits, I guess.
/// Shut up. I'm on a super low carb diet and haven't had a good biscuit in close to two years, damnit.
 
2021-10-26 10:09:17 AM  

psilocyberguy: He's one of 538. There are 500 others just like him in congress. Nothing we can do about it.


what about the other 37?
 
2021-10-26 10:09:20 AM  
That's a big, huge, neon-lit, throbbing, pulsing, massive-ass "IF" there, Subby.
 
2021-10-26 10:09:38 AM  
AHahahahahahahahahahahahahah reform ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
 
2021-10-26 10:12:27 AM  

Mcavity: psilocyberguy: He's one of 538. There are 500 others just like him in congress. Nothing we can do about it.

what about the other 37?


Awaiting indictment for their roles in aiding the 1/6 insurrection?

Why are you laughing?
 
2021-10-26 10:15:43 AM  

brokenbiscuits: Yeah... Not happening. Just look at how the folks who pass laws that can make or break industries, especially financial and tech, make the bulk of their personal finances: opensecrets.org

The congresscritters who aren't owned wholecloth by others have too much skin in the game to let such a silly thing as ethics change how they butter their biscuits.

/ In this metaphor "butter" means earn money
// and biscuits means... Biscuits, I guess.
/// Shut up. I'm on a super low carb diet and haven't had a good biscuit in close to two years, damni


I guess user name checks out....mmmm biscuits *nom nom nom*
 
2021-10-26 10:17:31 AM  
Can we also apply this to members of the USPS committee?
 
2021-10-26 10:19:27 AM  
"if reform of DC's ethical cesspool is on the way"

Narrator: It's not.
 
2021-10-26 10:22:22 AM  
Some how the reforms will be undone in a omnibus spending bill in 6 months.
 
2021-10-26 10:24:27 AM  

quatchi: "He specifically opposed the proposed Clean Electricity Performance Program, a $150 billion package of financial carrots and sticks designed to transition American industries from fossil fuels to renewable energy."

Because of course he did.

He knows what side of the bread his butter is on.


The 500 actual coal miners in WVA sure have influence.  You'd think the 2000 Amazon delivery people would like to drive an electric truck.

/numbers pulled from my lumpy, bloody a$$
//cannot unsee that
 
2021-10-26 10:25:14 AM  

Mcavity: psilocyberguy: He's one of 538. There are 500 others just like him in congress. Nothing we can do about it.

what about the other 37?


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2021-10-26 10:26:13 AM  
"But only if it creates an appetite to reform DC's ethical cesspool."

Narrator: An appetite was created to reform DC's Ethical Cesspool but not amongst those who could actually do anything about it
 
2021-10-26 10:26:46 AM  
This completely reinforces my belief that all politicians should have blind trusts managing their funds while in office.

It'll never happen, but it should happen.
 
2021-10-26 10:26:58 AM  
Conflict of interest rules seem to need more and sharper teeth to be more effective.

Perhaps a reform-minded congress might pass a law granting each chamber civil standing to recover in court any proceeds obtained by members who violate the rules, such as by insider training.
 
2021-10-26 10:27:02 AM  
Considering that it would have to be a law passed by Congress to do anything, it's never going to happen. And if something did somehow work it's way through the process, it would be so gutted and twisted by the time it came up for a vote that it would probably make reporting on conflicts of interest illegal and pay bonuses to the people who had the most annually.
 
2021-10-26 10:28:40 AM  
If.
 
2021-10-26 10:31:00 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: The 500 actual coal miners in WVA sure have influence.  You'd think the 2000 Amazon delivery people would like to drive an electric truck.


60k US coal jobs, 30k in WV.

They've lost double that in manufacturing. 

There are 260k workers in solar alone.
 
2021-10-26 10:32:38 AM  
Any effective law would have to be very broad, to the point it would basically ban Congresscritters from owning stocks.  And I don't see a majority of both Houses restricting themselves like that.
 
2021-10-26 10:33:02 AM  

brokenbiscuits: Yeah... Not happening. Just look at how the folks who pass laws that can make or break industries, especially financial and tech, make the bulk of their personal finances: opensecrets.org

The congresscritters who aren't owned wholecloth by others have too much skin in the game to let such a silly thing as ethics change how they butter their biscuits.

/ In this metaphor "butter" means earn money
// and biscuits means... Biscuits, I guess.
/// Shut up. I'm on a super low carb diet and haven't had a good biscuit in close to two years, damnit.


Sorry to hear that, I just made biscuits and gravy with the gravy inside the biscuit. Good in theory and taste but the biscuits didn't stay closed during cooking and so it sorta became a biscuit bowl with gravy in it.
 
2021-10-26 10:33:21 AM  
At what point do you wake up from the fantasy that at some point in the future America will have a sane rational government?

I mean... wake the f*ck up.
 
2021-10-26 10:34:25 AM  
What would happen if we required representatives and senators to ... you know ... Not own stocks ? 

Like ... Sell everything that isn't real estate and put that money into Federal Bonds.

Man, I bet that would weed out all the grifters.

And it would make me feel so much better about their pensions.
 
2021-10-26 10:35:10 AM  
Narrator: But it wasn't.
 
2021-10-26 10:35:48 AM  
Legalize dueling, demand satisfaction: is a sort of reform.
 
2021-10-26 10:44:46 AM  

clkeagle: This completely reinforces my belief that all politicians should have blind trusts managing their funds while in office.

It'll never happen, but it should happen.


Theoretically, if a congressperson has a conflict of interest, they will be realistically unable to do anything with it because they will be outvoted by the rest of the congress. And, if every congressperson has conflicts of interests, their votes to further all of those interests simultaneously will ultimately create a facsimile for the economy as a whole, thus negating the negative side effects. So, the system itself isn't necessarily flawed.

The only reason this is a big deal suddenly is because of the razor-thin margins that give one Senator so much power over the entirety of the chamber. So, he or she can make or break entire legislation based on his or her personal whims.

While your heavy-handed solutions might prevent some of the more obvious issues from coming to light like this, it would not negate senators voting in favour of industries in their particular states, for instance, which would create some of the same outcomes.

The more obvious solution would be to bring back earmarks and encourage more conflicts of interest rather than less. If the Republicans were able to add in all kinds of riders to benefit their voters at home, they would then be in a position where voting for a huge package might seem less terrible than being portrayed as supporting "Democrat Socialism." Get past this 50/50 vote on every bill and then Manchin doesn't matter any more.
 
2021-10-26 10:48:00 AM  
IF ENOUGH OF YOU VOTE BLUE THEN IT WONT MATTER AS MUCH THAT BERNIES NOT A DEMOCRAT
 
2021-10-26 10:56:14 AM  
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2021-10-26 10:59:51 AM  
Biden used OSHA to get vaccines in place. Medicaid//Medicare pay a lot for black lung. We should mandate that coal workers wear farkin' space suits and do what ever to make coal mining unaffordable.
 
2021-10-26 11:01:02 AM  

Shaggy_C: clkeagle: This completely reinforces my belief that all politicians should have blind trusts managing their funds while in office.

It'll never happen, but it should happen.

Theoretically, if a congressperson has a conflict of interest, they will be realistically unable to do anything with it because they will be outvoted by the rest of the congress. And, if every congressperson has conflicts of interests, their votes to further all of those interests simultaneously will ultimately create a facsimile for the economy as a whole, thus negating the negative side effects. So, the system itself isn't necessarily flawed.

The only reason this is a big deal suddenly is because of the razor-thin margins that give one Senator so much power over the entirety of the chamber. So, he or she can make or break entire legislation based on his or her personal whims.

While your heavy-handed solutions might prevent some of the more obvious issues from coming to light like this, it would not negate senators voting in favour of industries in their particular states, for instance, which would create some of the same outcomes.

The more obvious solution would be to bring back earmarks and encourage more conflicts of interest rather than less. If the Republicans were able to add in all kinds of riders to benefit their voters at home, they would then be in a position where voting for a huge package might seem less terrible than being portrayed as supporting "Democrat Socialism." Get past this 50/50 vote on every bill and then Manchin doesn't matter any more.


It doesn't change my stance on blind trusts, but I fully support the return of earmarks. And think it's more achievable.

Bipartisanship has essentially been dead since earmarks were removed from legislation. I'd much rather see Capitol Hill get greedy on behalf of their respective states than on behalf of their national party's fundraising priorities.
 
2021-10-26 11:26:30 AM  
"if"
 
2021-10-26 11:32:28 AM  
It will never happen, you are asking the criminals to regulate themselves.
 
2021-10-26 11:35:41 AM  

fasahd: Biden used OSHA to get vaccines in place. Medicaid//Medicare pay a lot for black lung. We should mandate that coal workers wear farkin' space suits and do what ever to make coal mining unaffordable.


You get a can of that Flex Seal stuff and coat the inside of their lungs with it and they won't get black lung.  I mean, their lungs will be black, but they won't die from the disease.  Cheaper than space suits.
 
2021-10-26 11:44:28 AM  

Aar1012: "But only if it creates an appetite to reform DC's ethical cesspool."

Narrator: An appetite was created to reform DC's Ethical Cesspool but not amongst those who could actually do anything about it


Those who aren't directly profiting from being a politician you mean?

I also adore the thinking that this is some sort of sea change. Like citizens United was the first of its kind and Washington hasn't been corrupt since it's foundation. The only difference now, is that the corruption is blatant, and so unchallenged while being more exposed than it ever has been in the past.
 
2021-10-26 11:46:02 AM  
Cant we get one more dem senator elected so this guy has no power?
 
2021-10-26 11:51:57 AM  

stuhayes2010: Cant we get one more dem senator elected so this guy has no power?


Get three or four and get a 6 trillion BBB.
 
2021-10-26 11:57:56 AM  

Mcavity: psilocyberguy: He's one of 538. There are 500 others just like him in congress. Nothing we can do about it.

what about the other 37?


Some are too stupid to be bribed, so that's nice.
 
2021-10-26 12:03:42 PM  
Eh...what the hell.
I went to Catholic school for 11 years.

I'll believe anything.
 
2021-10-26 12:06:01 PM  

quatchi: "He specifically opposed the proposed Clean Electricity Performance Program, a $150 billion package of financial carrots and sticks designed to transition American industries from fossil fuels to renewable energy."

Because of course he did.

He knows what side of the bread his butter is on.


Does he? The man has children and grandchildren and should be thinking about more than his income from the people who want to destroy our civilization for short-term profits.
 
2021-10-26 12:06:09 PM  

Palined Parenthood: IF ENOUGH OF YOU VOTE BLUE THEN IT WONT MATTER AS MUCH THAT BERNIES NOT A DEMOCRAT


How soon do you think before something is really going to happen..?

...let me guess...
 
2021-10-26 12:08:05 PM  
Don't farking Count On It.
 
2021-10-26 12:11:34 PM  
I'm so over Manchin.

We just need to keep the Democrats in power.   That's Plan B at this point.
 
2021-10-26 12:11:36 PM  
Brought to you by Citizens United.
Wake the hell up people.
 
2021-10-26 12:14:09 PM  
Tl;dr

It isn't

Next
 
2021-10-26 12:22:25 PM  
Well I guess I need to start smarting my own posts.
 
2021-10-26 12:23:08 PM  
Unless you're a lobbyist or its time to cast ballots, most/all of your elected representatives don't give a fig about you and your peasant problems.
 
2021-10-26 12:30:14 PM  

HerptheDerp: Unless you're a lobbyist or its time to cast ballots, most/all of your elected representatives don't give a fig about you and your peasant problems.


Mine do.   Mad?
 
2021-10-26 12:36:00 PM  

clkeagle: This completely reinforces my belief that all politicians should have blind trusts managing their funds while in office.

It'll never happen, but it should happen.


This should have way more smarts associated with it.  WAY more.
 
2021-10-26 12:38:21 PM  

stuhayes2010: Cant we get one more dem senator elected so this guy has no power?


What are Arlen Specter and Ben Nelson up to these days? Can we resurrect Robert Byrd from the dead?

clkeagle: It doesn't change my stance on blind trusts, but I fully support the return of earmarks. And think it's more achievable.


I guess I'm interested in what the mechanism would look like for the blind trust. Is it any and all investments? Liquidate businesses that they own? Would they need to sell properties? Or just stock?Perhaps an easier way to prevent 'bad behaviour' is to do like businesses do and put in restricted periods for purchases and sales by their employees as 'insiders'. Lawmakers, by their nature, are insiders across the board. So, we basically allow them one or two windows a year to buy or sell stocks but otherwise they can't touch them.
 
2021-10-26 1:10:25 PM  

1funguy: Palined Parenthood: IF ENOUGH OF YOU VOTE BLUE THEN IT WONT MATTER AS MUCH THAT BERNIES NOT A DEMOCRAT

How soon do you think before something is really going to happen..?

...let me guess...


Ain't nothin' gonn' happen, but something huge must be about to drop
 
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