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2021-10-26 5:11:40 AM  
FTFA:

"In an email statement to The Associated Press, a producer for the movie "Freedom's Path" confirmed that Dave Halls was fired from the 2019 production after a crew member suffered a minor injury "when a gun was unexpectedly discharged."


Well the lawsuit just doubled. Apparently this guy is a slow learner.  JFC.
 
2021-10-26 5:45:30 AM  
I guess my question is this - "Why is live ammo needed on a film set?"

I get explosives depending on the need.  But bullets?
 
2021-10-26 5:50:04 AM  
Wow. If you ever want to own a movie studio via lawsuit this is a pretty perfect recipe.
 
2021-10-26 5:56:23 AM  
The guy who called out 'cold gun' is in a tough spot. It's possible to claim you didn't know the gun was not a harmless prop unless you personally called it a cold gun. At that point he assumed responsibility for it. He personally vouched for it being safe. Even if he claimed that all those guns were supposed to be cold guns, he's still the one who said it was. You don't say that unless you can guarantee it or it's your fault. I can see a criminal case being made against him. He might try to make a deal by implicating someone else, like the armorer, but he's still going to pay some kind of price.
 
2021-10-26 5:59:20 AM  

Birnone: The guy who called out 'cold gun' is in a tough spot. It's possible to claim you didn't know the gun was not a harmless prop unless you personally called it a cold gun. At that point he assumed responsibility for it. He personally vouched for it being safe. Even if he claimed that all those guns were supposed to be cold guns, he's still the one who said it was. You don't say that unless you can guarantee it or it's your fault. I can see a criminal case being made against him. He might try to make a deal by implicating someone else, like the armorer, but he's still going to pay some kind of price.


Even guns loaded with blanks aren't harmless and can cause injury or death if misused.
 
2021-10-26 6:02:42 AM  
Say what you want about Hollywood, the independent movie scene sounds wild as fark.
 
2021-10-26 6:02:44 AM  
At least he's consistent.
 
2021-10-26 6:05:59 AM  

caffeine_addict: I guess my question is this - "Why is live ammo needed on a film set?"

I get explosives depending on the need.  But bullets?


There was an NPR story on this, Sometimes they use real bullets in films because they show an explosive discharge from the muzzle of the weapon that blanks don't. The story was pretty interesting in dispelling some misconceptions about blanks vs. bullets.
 
2021-10-26 6:10:24 AM  

caffeine_addict: I guess my question is this - "Why is live ammo needed on a film set?"

I get explosives depending on the need.  But bullets?


The shot was down the barrel of a revolver, you can see the bullets from that angle. They have ammunition with bullets, but no powder, the BBs in them rattle when you shake them. 
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2021-10-26 6:11:39 AM  
In other news, the media has flipped seamlessly from breathlessly wondering "Did Brian Laundrie murder Gabby Petit???????" to breathlessly wondering "Will Alec Baldwin be charged with murder for an accident on the movie set?????"

Seriously, they dropped the Laundrie case like a hot bullet in favor of babbling endlessly over this new non-story. Because uncommon tragedies involving B-list celebs on indie film sets should be above-the-fold stories especially when the talking heads know next to nothing about the circumstances.

/rant
 
2021-10-26 6:18:09 AM  

Gyrfalcon: In other news, the media has flipped seamlessly from breathlessly wondering "Did Brian Laundrie murder Gabby Petit???????" to breathlessly wondering "Will Alec Baldwin be charged with murder for an accident on the movie set?????"

Seriously, they dropped the Laundrie case like a hot bullet in favor of babbling endlessly over this new non-story. Because uncommon tragedies involving B-list celebs on indie film sets should be above-the-fold stories especially when the talking heads know next to nothing about the circumstances.

/rant


Yeah, no way Baldwin gets charged with murder. He has some responsibility but the AD made almost all of the worst mistakes short of actually aiming and pulling the trigger.

The AD may actually face some charges here. Baldwin likely faces civil liability though and should probably be planning a generous settlement.
 
2021-10-26 6:19:53 AM  

caffeine_addict: I guess my question is this - "Why is live ammo needed on a film set?"

I get explosives depending on the need.  But bullets?


It's not.  Blanks for bangs, dummy rounds for close up shots.  No excuse to have live rounds on a film set *EVER*.
 
2021-10-26 6:23:42 AM  
This is all going to turn out to be a set up. The cinematographer dumped the AD for Alec Baldwin, and this is the ADs way of getting back at them both.

Daniel Craig will star in the movie about this, to be the third installment in the Knives Out series.
 
2021-10-26 6:23:44 AM  

Gyrfalcon: In other news, the media has flipped seamlessly from breathlessly wondering "Did Brian Laundrie murder Gabby Petit???????" to breathlessly wondering "Will Alec Baldwin be charged with murder for an accident on the movie set?????"

Seriously, they dropped the Laundrie case like a hot bullet in favor of babbling endlessly over this new non-story. Because uncommon tragedies involving B-list celebs on indie film sets should be above-the-fold stories especially when the talking heads know next to nothing about the circumstances.

/rant


The media goes where the money and the story of Gabby Petito is pretty much over and done with the suicide of Brian Laundrie. There will still be some small developments but for the most part that well is dry.

Alec Baldwin's incident is just as interchangeable to the media as Gabby Petito's murder. Soon there will be another story that becomes what they babble about on 60 different panel shows, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
 
2021-10-26 6:35:45 AM  

omg bbq: Wow. If you ever want to own a movie studio via lawsuit this is a pretty perfect recipe.


What studio? This was an indie shoot.
 
2021-10-26 6:38:57 AM  

Boojum2k: The AD may actually face some charges here. Baldwin likely faces civil liability though and should probably be planning a generous settlement.


Unlikely.  Hutchins' family apparently doesn't blame him.  He might work out something for her son independently on his own, but I'm betting that the lawyers will be specifically told to not target him.

There are plenty more culpable people involved, and plenty deep pockets to go after there as well.
 
2021-10-26 6:39:07 AM  

Boojum2k: Gyrfalcon: In other news, the media has flipped seamlessly from breathlessly wondering "Did Brian Laundrie murder Gabby Petit???????" to breathlessly wondering "Will Alec Baldwin be charged with murder for an accident on the movie set?????"

Seriously, they dropped the Laundrie case like a hot bullet in favor of babbling endlessly over this new non-story. Because uncommon tragedies involving B-list celebs on indie film sets should be above-the-fold stories especially when the talking heads know next to nothing about the circumstances.

/rant

Yeah, no way Baldwin gets charged with murder. He has some responsibility but the AD made almost all of the worst mistakes short of actually aiming and pulling the trigger.

The AD may actually face some charges here. Baldwin likely faces civil liability though and should probably be planning a generous settlement.


I think he should suffer a bit more.

As producer, he's got ultimate responsibility for the production and how it was being run, including who to hire.   By all accounts, he went dirt cheap with bottom of the barrel talent.

Plus, he pulled the trigger on a real gun being used as a prop when people were in front of him. It was my understanding that this was during the set up for a close camera shot and that people wouldn't have been in front of him when actually filming.

He pulled the trigger on a real gun he didn't check himself.  I don't care who the fark you are, you hand me a real gun I'm checking for myself.  Since this is a western, the gun used was almost certainly some kind of revolver.  You can easily check any revolver by putting the gun on half-cock and spinning the cylinder to check for ammunition in the chambers.  It's very easy to see.

So Alec Baldwin shares a large portion of the blame here, in multiple ways.  In fact, most of the blame for this negligent discharge falls squarely on his shoulders.
 
2021-10-26 6:43:01 AM  

WDFark think for a second: FTFA:

"In an email statement to The Associated Press, a producer for the movie "Freedom's Path" confirmed that Dave Halls was fired from the 2019 production after a crew member suffered a minor injury "when a gun was unexpectedly discharged."


Well the lawsuit just doubled. Apparently this guy is a slow learner.  JFC.


The other allegation in TFA is pretty serious too. Crew member for a show on Hulu said they were setting up a pyro sequence, and the protechnics guy, who was diabetic, passed out for a minute or two. Crew member claims the AD was demanding to keep going on the sequence before the pyro guy could get his bearings back.

This guy must be somebody's cousin to keep getting hired if he's this damn reckless.
 
2021-10-26 6:48:35 AM  
There is a reason you hire a guy like him. His ability to ignore safety regs means you can cut corners on costs at the expense of safety. He apparently has a long history of ignoring safety.
 
2021-10-26 6:49:01 AM  

NEDM: Boojum2k: The AD may actually face some charges here. Baldwin likely faces civil liability though and should probably be planning a generous settlement.

Unlikely.  Hutchins' family apparently doesn't blame him.  He might work out something for her son independently on his own, but I'm betting that the lawyers will be specifically told to not target him.

There are plenty more culpable people involved, and plenty deep pockets to go after there as well.


Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.
 
2021-10-26 6:50:21 AM  

stoli n coke: omg bbq: Wow. If you ever want to own a movie studio via lawsuit this is a pretty perfect recipe.

What studio? This was an indie shoot.


You fool they named the dog Indie.
 
2021-10-26 6:52:04 AM  

Decorus: There is a reason you hire a guy like him. His ability to ignore safety regs means you can cut corners on costs at the expense of safety. He apparently has a long history of ignoring safety.


So it circles back to Baldwin, who was ultimately the one controlling the purse strings.

I'm thinking that as part of any sentence or settlement he should be required to take all of the NRA firearm safety courses.  Maybe even get certified as a range safety officer.
 
2021-10-26 6:53:46 AM  
I'm surprised no one has mentioned that CNN reported today that the cast was reportedly "plinking" (shoot live fire ammunition at cans) shortly before the scene with Baldwin.  If true odds are that the armorer and others responsible didn't check or clear the guns on the cart before the AD handed it to Baldwin.
 
2021-10-26 6:55:06 AM  

Magnus: NEDM: Boojum2k: The AD may actually face some charges here. Baldwin likely faces civil liability though and should probably be planning a generous settlement.

Unlikely.  Hutchins' family apparently doesn't blame him.  He might work out something for her son independently on his own, but I'm betting that the lawyers will be specifically told to not target him.

There are plenty more culpable people involved, and plenty deep pockets to go after there as well.

Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.


Baldwin is the producer.  He is the one behind this project.  So not only did he actually pull the trigger, it was his decisions that ultimately led to this tragedy.  He needs to pay.
 
2021-10-26 6:55:12 AM  
Doesn't matter, Alec Baldwin needs to be punished because he made fun of Trump.
 
2021-10-26 6:58:30 AM  

dittybopper: I think he should suffer a bit more.

As producer, he's got ultimate responsibility for the production and how it was being run, including who to hire. By all accounts, he went dirt cheap with bottom of the barrel talent.

Plus, he pulled the trigger on a real gun being used as a prop when people were in front of him. It was my understanding that this was during the set up for a close camera shot and that people wouldn't have been in front of him when actually filming.

He pulled the trigger on a real gun he didn't check himself. I don't care who the fark you are, you hand me a real gun I'm checking for myself. Since this is a western, the gun used was almost certainly some kind of revolver. You can easily check any revolver by putting the gun on half-cock and spinning the cylinder to check for ammunition in the chambers. It's very easy to see.

So Alec Baldwin shares a large portion of the blame here, in multiple ways. In fact, most of the blame for this negligent discharge falls squarely on his shoulders.


No, "most of the blame" does not fall on his shoulders.  Read the other threads on this.  He was the final link in a chain, one that had many more links than just him.  This was a dress rehearsal, where very likely he was expecting to have been handed a fake gun to practice the scene with.  Should he have checked it himself?  Perhaps yes.  Does that absolve the AD for declaring a cold gun without checking it himself, when he is the person who has to ultimately sign off on that check?  Fark no.  To add into this there's the possibility that they broke into the set's armory to get the guns for a shoot without the armorer being present, along with the possibility that crew had been using that gun for target shooting after filming.

And he might be a "producer", but he is one of over a dozen and he is not an executive producer.  The chance of him having any say whatsoever in what talent was hired is nil.  He took a producer's credit so he could work with the director, so the studio didn't have to pay him as much as an actor.  The reports about how this is a vanity project were incorrect; he might be the title character, but he isn't the main character and he didn't have top billing*.  His place in the project is as a diminishing former A-list star taking on smaller roles in his twilight years to keep himself busy, not as a powerhouse driving an entire project.

/*Considering everything we know about the story, Baldwin was probably playing the "prominent rancher" who winds up shot and drives the plot about the actual main characters getting in trouble with the law
//If that's the case he's about as important to the story as Obi-Wan Kenobi, and nobody claims Star Wars was a vanity project for Sir Alec Guinness.
 
2021-10-26 6:59:23 AM  

EnzoTheCoder: Doesn't matter, Alec Baldwin needs to be punished because he made fun of Trump.


*eyeroll.jpg*

At least Alec Baldwin has something new to focus on. You? Not so much.
 
2021-10-26 6:59:47 AM  

EnzoTheCoder: Doesn't matter, Alec Baldwin needs to be punished because he made fun of Trump.


Go away, adults are talking.
 
2021-10-26 7:02:08 AM  

dittybopper: So it circles back to Baldwin, who was ultimately the one controlling the purse strings.


dittybopper: Baldwin is the producer. He is the one behind this project. So not only did he actually pull the trigger, it was his decisions that ultimately led to this tragedy. He needs to pay.


Just because you keep repeating this doesn't make it true.  Don't believe me?  Just look at the actual list of producers.  Alec Baldwin is not the only person on that list, and there are several who rank higher than him.

One man out of 12, with 5 executive producers?  And you're saying that he's the lead of the project?  Come the fark on, ditty.
 
2021-10-26 7:04:30 AM  

Magnus: Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.


Like the actual production company/studio.  Just because it's an indie film doesn't mean it's being made by film students in an alleyway.
 
2021-10-26 7:06:05 AM  

Boojum2k: EnzoTheCoder: Doesn't matter, Alec Baldwin needs to be punished because he made fun of Trump.

Go away, adults are talking.


No, they're not.
 
2021-10-26 7:06:31 AM  

It's Bensane Garrison!: I'm surprised no one has mentioned that CNN reported today that the cast was reportedly "plinking" (shoot live fire ammunition at cans) shortly before the scene with Baldwin.  If true odds are that the armorer and others responsible didn't check or clear the guns on the cart before the AD handed it to Baldwin.


The armorer was apparently off the time sheet that day and wasn't even on set when the AD went to grab the gun.
 
2021-10-26 7:08:17 AM  

NEDM: dittybopper: So it circles back to Baldwin, who was ultimately the one controlling the purse strings.

dittybopper: Baldwin is the producer. He is the one behind this project. So not only did he actually pull the trigger, it was his decisions that ultimately led to this tragedy. He needs to pay.

Just because you keep repeating this doesn't make it true.  Don't believe me?  Just look at the actual list of producers.  Alec Baldwin is not the only person on that list, and there are several who rank higher than him.

One man out of 12, with 5 executive producers?  And you're saying that he's the lead of the project?  Come the fark on, ditty.


How many of the others were on set?
 
2021-10-26 7:09:59 AM  

EnzoTheCoder: Boojum2k: EnzoTheCoder: Doesn't matter, Alec Baldwin needs to be punished because he made fun of Trump.

Go away, adults are talking.

No, they're not.


As long as you and your buddies are posting nonsense I suppose you're right about that.

What you meant before was Alec Baldwin should face no consequences whatsoever, because he made fun of Trump. That's all that matters to politroids like you.
 
2021-10-26 7:11:24 AM  

Boojum2k: How many of the others were on set?


Is that supposed to mean something?  Being on-set doesn't mean shiat in terms of control.  It just means he was the only actor who took a producer credit to allow for a pay cut.
 
2021-10-26 7:13:21 AM  

NEDM: Boojum2k: How many of the others were on set?

Is that supposed to mean something?  Being on-set doesn't mean shiat in terms of control.  It just means he was the only actor who took a producer credit to allow for a pay cut.


Nope. According to his Hollywood Reporter interview a couple of months ago he was the driving force on this project along with the director.

So he had the personal and positional authority to correct their safety failures. And failed to do so.
 
2021-10-26 7:15:26 AM  

NEDM: Magnus: Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.

Like the actual production company/studio.  Just because it's an indie film doesn't mean it's being made by film students in an alleyway.


This is an LLC. Baldwin is listed as the primary producer. He is listed as co-writer. Souza is co-writer and director.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(​upcoming_film)

This is Souza's second film. The primary "studio" is El Dorado Pictures which is Baldwin and one othe person.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B52nkVUAPv​L/?hl=en

Again, what other deep pockets are you aware of involved in this indie film mainly financed by Baldwin?
 
2021-10-26 7:17:50 AM  

Boojum2k: NEDM: Boojum2k: How many of the others were on set?

Is that supposed to mean something?  Being on-set doesn't mean shiat in terms of control.  It just means he was the only actor who took a producer credit to allow for a pay cut.

Nope. According to his Hollywood Reporter interview a couple of months ago he was the driving force on this project along with the director.

So he had the personal and positional authority to correct their safety failures. And failed to do so.


Read it again.  That interview said he was the driving force in writing the story with the director.  That does not translate into having actual control over production details.
 
2021-10-26 7:19:27 AM  

Magnus: NEDM: Magnus: Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.

Like the actual production company/studio.  Just because it's an indie film doesn't mean it's being made by film students in an alleyway.

This is an LLC. Baldwin is listed as the primary producer. He is listed as co-writer. Souza is co-writer and director.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(​upcoming_film)

This is Souza's second film. The primary "studio" is El Dorado Pictures which is Baldwin and one othe person.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B52nkVUAPv​L/?hl=en

Again, what other deep pockets are you aware of involved in this indie film mainly financed by Baldwin?


Those links go nowhere.
 
2021-10-26 7:20:18 AM  

NEDM: Boojum2k: NEDM: Boojum2k: How many of the others were on set?

Is that supposed to mean something?  Being on-set doesn't mean shiat in terms of control.  It just means he was the only actor who took a producer credit to allow for a pay cut.

Nope. According to his Hollywood Reporter interview a couple of months ago he was the driving force on this project along with the director.

So he had the personal and positional authority to correct their safety failures. And failed to do so.

Read it again.  That interview said he was the driving force in writing the story with the director.  That does not translate into having actual control over production details.


Well, then tell us who did have control, El Dorado Pictures?
 
2021-10-26 7:20:35 AM  

NEDM: Magnus: NEDM: Magnus: Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.

Like the actual production company/studio.  Just because it's an indie film doesn't mean it's being made by film students in an alleyway.

This is an LLC. Baldwin is listed as the primary producer. He is listed as co-writer. Souza is co-writer and director.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(​upcoming_film)

This is Souza's second film. The primary "studio" is El Dorado Pictures which is Baldwin and one othe person.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B52nkVUAPv​L/?hl=en

Again, what other deep pockets are you aware of involved in this indie film mainly financed by Baldwin?

Those links go nowhere.


Yes they do.
 
2021-10-26 7:21:38 AM  

NEDM: Boojum2k: NEDM: Boojum2k: How many of the others were on set?

Is that supposed to mean something?  Being on-set doesn't mean shiat in terms of control.  It just means he was the only actor who took a producer credit to allow for a pay cut.

Nope. According to his Hollywood Reporter interview a couple of months ago he was the driving force on this project along with the director.

So he had the personal and positional authority to correct their safety failures. And failed to do so.

Read it again.  That interview said he was the driving force in writing the story with the director.  That does not translate into having actual control over production details.


Right, he's a brand new actor and producer who's never been involved in a project, and not the biggest name, producer bankroll, and star. He had no ability to improve safety after multiple dangerous incidents. It's all the fault of a shadowy cabal.

Bullshiat.
 
2021-10-26 7:22:13 AM  

NEDM: Magnus: Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.

Like the actual production company/studio.  Just because it's an indie film doesn't mean it's being made by film students in an alleyway.


Independent films are, with very few exceptions, financed and produced without a studio. Then, after the movie is done, the filmmakers try to sell it to a distributor.
 
2021-10-26 7:22:25 AM  
I still think the crew/armorer were using the antique guns after hours. Otherwise it makes no sense why there would be live ammo on the set.
 
2021-10-26 7:22:54 AM  

Magnus: Well, then tell us who did have control, El Dorado Pictures?


Okay, I was wrong, guess he was the primary backer.
 
2021-10-26 7:25:26 AM  
Baldwin has a history of anger management issues . Maybe the victim had dirt on him. Maybe he sexually harassed her? Maybe she threatened to ruin him. Maybe he accidentally on purpose shot her. **insert "hunting accident"** scenarios. Maybe he wanted her dead. Maybe I'm pulling this out of my ass. But...everything and anything is possible.
 
2021-10-26 7:26:35 AM  

thrillbilly1967: Baldwin has a history of anger management issues . Maybe the victim had dirt on him. Maybe he sexually harassed her? Maybe she threatened to ruin him. Maybe he accidentally on purpose shot her. **insert "hunting accident"** scenarios. Maybe he wanted her dead. Maybe I'm pulling this out of my ass. But...everything and anything is possible.


maybe MAGA cultist are trying to bring Baldwin down
 
2021-10-26 7:27:06 AM  

NEDM: Magnus: NEDM: Magnus: Deep pockets you say? Like who? This is an Indie film. The only deep pockets I've heard about are the guy who shot the victim.

Like the actual production company/studio.  Just because it's an indie film doesn't mean it's being made by film students in an alleyway.

This is an LLC. Baldwin is listed as the primary producer. He is listed as co-writer. Souza is co-writer and director.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(​upcoming_film)

This is Souza's second film. The primary "studio" is El Dorado Pictures which is Baldwin and one othe person.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B52nkVUAPv​L/?hl=en

Again, what other deep pockets are you aware of involved in this indie film mainly financed by Baldwin?

Those links go nowhere.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(​upcoming_film)

Rust is an upcoming American Western film written and directed by Joel Souza. It stars Alec Baldwin, Travis Fimmel, Brady Noon, Frances Fisher, and Jensen Ackles. In October 2021, production was suspended indefinitely after a firearms shooting incident where cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed by a prop gun fired by Baldwin; director Souza was wounded by the same projectile.

Rust
Directed by
Joel Souza
Screenplay by
Joel Souza
Story by
Joel Souza
Alec Baldwin
Produced by
Alec Baldwin
Matt DelPiano
Ryan Donnell Smith
Anjul Nigam
Ryan Winterstern
Nathan Klingher
Starring
Alec Baldwin
Travis Fimmel
Brady Noon
Frances Fisher
Jensen Ackles
Cinematography
Halyna Hutchins
Production
companies
El Dorado Pictures
Cavalry Media
Thomasville Pictures
Brittany House Pictures
Short Porch Pictures
Country
United States


https://www.instagram.com/p/B52nkVUAPv​L/?hl=en

alecbaldwininsta We at El Dorado Pictures (that's me and @caseybader) are extremely proud of @stuffbydanny and his new film BEAST BEAST.... more
 
2021-10-26 7:27:26 AM  

The_Homeless_Guy: I still think the crew/armorer were using the antique guns after hours. Otherwise it makes no sense why there would be live ammo on the set.


The target practice thing doesn't bode well for the armorer or the crew members who went along.

Sure there's rules against using props as toys during your end of the day beer and biatching session.
 
2021-10-26 7:37:24 AM  
I hope this guy will ever get another shot at being Assistant Director.
 
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