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2021-10-26 3:10:55 AM  
The software was crashing (running out of memory/cpu) and getting dumber while doing so. The main concern to me is that it didn't fail safe and return control to the driver.
 
2021-10-26 3:49:39 AM  
It would be amusing to see the feds introduce a mandate that any autonomus driving software has to have a live version in a federal database that is not behind any form of redaction or censoring. Full source code with notes explaining what each bit of code is supposed to do

Failure to do so would be a fine per vehicle per week. That would make a lot of things far clearer for invistigations when things go sideways
 
2021-10-26 4:31:20 AM  
Hey, I have been assured by multiple people that automated driving is ALWAYS safer than human driving, therefore, randomly breaking hard when driving at highway speeds in heavy track for no reason is, de-facto, safe. What are they complaining about?
 
2021-10-26 8:24:39 AM  
Having your customers be the beta testers is not always a great idea

Who knew?
 
2021-10-26 9:04:49 AM  

baka-san: Having your customers be the beta testers is not always a great idea

Who knew?


The crashes they are referring to are not from their FSD  beta. They are from the cruise control level "autopilot". They have made major improvements, but other cars have also had major accidently while on cruise control.
 
2021-10-26 9:36:38 AM  
What happens when one of these Telsas get into an accident, even a slight one? It must cost a fortune to repair with all the sensors and what not.
 
2021-10-26 10:10:40 AM  

Felgraf: Hey, I have been assured by multiple people that automated driving is ALWAYS safer than human driving, therefore, randomly breaking hard when driving at highway speeds in heavy track for no reason is, de-facto, safe. What are they complaining about?


These are not people who know what they are talking about.  There are no automated systems in existence.  Overall, assisted driving is safer.
 
2021-10-26 11:36:23 AM  
Somehow this company is worth a trillion dollars. For "self-driving" cars that are wildly unsafe/untested and interiors that look like a base level Corolla. It boggles the mind.
 
2021-10-26 11:50:57 AM  

lifeslammer: It would be amusing to see the feds introduce a mandate that any autonomus driving software has to have a live version in a federal database that is not behind any form of redaction or censoring. Full source code with notes explaining what each bit of code is supposed to do


In the age of deep learning that's no longer enough to diagnose some types of issues - probably the ones you'd be most interested in. Modern deep neural nets are no longer explainable via a typical "if this then that" decision tree. Their "program" is a (long) series of nonlinearities stacked on top of each other, learned from data.

There are ways to gather some insight into how they make their predictions but each of them has limitations.
 
2021-10-26 1:51:30 PM  
"TESLA TESLA TESLA TESLA other companies have the same problem TESLA TESLA"
 
2021-10-26 3:33:04 PM  

natazha: Felgraf: Hey, I have been assured by multiple people that automated driving is ALWAYS safer than human driving, therefore, randomly breaking hard when driving at highway speeds in heavy track for no reason is, de-facto, safe. What are they complaining about?

These are not people who know what they are talking about.  There are no automated systems in existence.  Overall, assisted driving is safer.


Ah, my bad.

Because *assisted* driving is overall safer, that means that the assisted driving randomly slamming on the breaks is a good thing and not at all a sign that this shiat shouldn't be put into use yet.
 
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