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2021-10-25 11:23:46 PM  
Hell I still remember Windows 95 and Netscape Navigator.
 
2021-10-25 11:41:02 PM  
Pffft
I remember Windows 1.0 in college.
Huge step up from DOS and way better than BASIC
 
2021-10-25 11:44:34 PM  
Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.
 
2021-10-26 12:10:15 AM  
"Today is the 20th anniversary of Windows XP, and although the operating system reached the end of support in 2014, way too many people continue to use the insecure version of Windows. "

Screw you, MS sycophant. I have an XP machine at work I'll never give up because it has access to 12 years of Outlook Express emails.

/still like Win 98se best of all
//still have Win 3.1 little "floppy" disks
///https://www.realultimatepower.net/
 
2021-10-26 1:45:06 AM  
Bah. It's almost all point of sale and kiosk systems kept as is because of user "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality or the vendor has gone claws up.
 
2021-10-26 1:49:32 AM  

fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.


Pff
I remember the abacus.

Way better than Ogg counting on his fingers
 
2021-10-26 1:49:55 AM  

kdawg7736: Hell I still remember Windows 95 and Netscape Navigator.


And Trumpet Winsock to tie the two together.
 
2021-10-26 2:04:29 AM  

fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.


Luxury. We had to count with rocks, but we had to push the rocks uphill both ways first.
 
2021-10-26 2:05:53 AM  

thorpe: "Today is the 20th anniversary of Windows XP, and although the operating system reached the end of support in 2014, way too many people continue to use the insecure version of Windows. "

Screw you, MS sycophant. I have an XP machine at work I'll never give up because it has access to 12 years of Outlook Express emails.

/still like Win 98se best of all
//still have Win 3.1 little "floppy" disks
///https://www.realultimatepower.net/


If the reason you're staying in Windows XP is access to local email that would could be trivially accessible or transferred to a new OS/PC you are not making good decisions.

Whether IMAP, SMTP locally stored, whatever, email is not a good rationale.
 
2021-10-26 2:11:17 AM  

cretinbob: Pffft
I remember Windows 1.0 in college.
Huge step up from DOS and way better than BASIC


I started with 2.1. I specifically remember buying a retail copy on 5 1/4" floppies at Egghead Software. My dad wasn't thrilled because it took up a big chunk of our whopping 20MB hard drive.

After all the hassles, Windows didn't look all that great in Hercules monochrome.
 
2021-10-26 2:49:21 AM  

kdawg7736: Hell I still remember Windows 95 and Netscape Navigator.


Bah!  I did a 50 unit install of Windows for Weenies.  In 1993-ish?  Netware NOS, with Groupwise as the mail system.  Ran like a top until there my boss moved on (CFO) and then there were no raises for me in the next budget.  Then I moved on, my replacement put in MS everything and it failed catastrophically a couple times a month.  She then felt the need to get pregnant and moved on.
 
2021-10-26 2:51:21 AM  
Spelin' I does gud, gramma?  Nut so much.
 
2021-10-26 3:29:55 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Bah. It's almost all point of sale and kiosk systems kept as is because of user "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality or the vendor has gone claws up.


Yeah, I was somewhere the other day and their POS needed a reboot and there it was
 
2021-10-26 3:52:06 AM  
Backwards compatability is not something a capatalist society believes in

Maybe you should take your complaint up with them instead
 
2021-10-26 5:22:44 AM  
IBM OS/2 Warp advert
Youtube JqHD0XRLsH4
 
2021-10-26 6:19:46 AM  
I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.
 
2021-10-26 6:29:22 AM  

crumblecat: fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.

Pff
I remember the abacus.

Way better than Ogg counting on his fingers


Pffff

I remember counting amino acids as the first chains came together to form proteins.
 
2021-10-26 6:45:29 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: crumblecat: fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.

Pff
I remember the abacus.

Way better than Ogg counting on his fingers

Pffff

I remember counting amino acids as the first chains came together to form proteins.


Pff

I remember BANG! (It was a big one)
 
2021-10-26 6:51:01 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: crumblecat: fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.

Pff
I remember the abacus.

Way better than Ogg counting on his fingers

Pffff

I remember counting amino acids as the first chains came together to form proteins.


You guys can count? No fair!
 
2021-10-26 6:54:09 AM  

kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.


I can think of several scenarios where such an idea (if it's not broke don't fix it) would be considered gross negligence... especially in todays modern cyber security environment.
 
2021-10-26 6:56:22 AM  

keldaria: kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.

I can think of several scenarios where such an idea (if it's not broke don't fix it) would be considered gross negligence... especially in todays modern cyber security environment.


Those require us to make the stupid assumption that companies bother with more than a half-assed effort to internet security
 
2021-10-26 7:04:22 AM  

keldaria: kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.

I can think of several scenarios where such an idea (if it's not broke don't fix it) would be considered gross negligence... especially in todays modern cyber security environment.


XP is fine in some applications. It's not uncommon in air-gapped industrial control systems.
 
2021-10-26 7:34:56 AM  

keldaria: kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.

I can think of several scenarios where such an idea (if it's not broke don't fix it) would be considered gross negligence... especially in todays modern cyber security environment.


It isn't in this case. Not everything new is better.  The most cyber secure machines are the old ones that can't get online.
 
2021-10-26 8:18:28 AM  
I can remember before counting was invented, people would just say "I got this much".
 
2021-10-26 8:18:49 AM  

kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.


I have one I use with the cards for my Tech2 scanner.  Lots of manufacturers used the Tech2 hardware (developed by Vetronix for GM) as their scanner.  You could swap cards in a Tech2 and go from GM to Isuzu to Suzuki to Saab and so on.

I only have two physical cards so I use one for GM only and the other I reflash as needed.  The card flashing software only runs under XP.

If anyone out there has any Intel SeriesII dual voltage Linear Flash
 
2021-10-26 8:22:42 AM  
I keep one XP box only because I have a nice scanner that can handle old-style large-format negatives and has never had any newer drivers available, and a decal printer with the same driver situation.

The ease of use this way has it all over inconsistent results I've had when trying to use compatibility modes on newer OSes.

That machine hasn't seen the internet in over ten years.
 
2021-10-26 8:23:05 AM  

scanman61: kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.

I have one I use with the cards for my Tech2 scanner.  Lots of manufacturers used the Tech2 hardware (developed by Vetronix for GM) as their scanner.  You could swap cards in a Tech2 and go from GM to Isuzu to Suzuki to Saab and so on.

I only have two physical cards so I use one for GM only and the other I reflash as needed.  The card flashing software only runs under XP.

If anyone out there has any Intel SeriesII dual voltage Linear Flash


Posted too soon

If anyone has any 32MB Intel Series II dual voltage Linear Flash cards I'll be happy to take them off your hand.  The clone cards work as read only but since they aren't dual voltage cards the Tech2 can't write to them.
 
2021-10-26 8:38:51 AM  
Last I heard, banks were paying MS to keep their XP boxes (most in ATMs) updated because it cost less than, you know, rewriting the software for a new OS. If you're not a bank, you takes your chances.
 
2021-10-26 8:48:02 AM  

crumblecat: Tom Marvolo Bombadil: crumblecat: fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.

Pff
I remember the abacus.

Way better than Ogg counting on his fingers

Pffff

I remember counting amino acids as the first chains came together to form proteins.

Pff

I remember BANG! (It was a big one)


I remember nothing
 
2021-10-26 8:48:59 AM  

kukukupo: keldaria: kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.

I can think of several scenarios where such an idea (if it's not broke don't fix it) would be considered gross negligence... especially in todays modern cyber security environment.

It isn't in this case. Not everything new is better.  The most cyber secure machines are the old ones that can't get online.


Bonus security measure: no usb ports
 
2021-10-26 8:53:25 AM  
People are paranoid and stupid. My Windows XP box has never had a virus and still works just ENLARGE YOUR PENIS TODAY! ASK ME HOW!!!
 
2021-10-26 9:08:09 AM  

crumblecat: keldaria: kukukupo: I still have several XP machines running at work.  If it works, don't fix it.

I can think of several scenarios where such an idea (if it's not broke don't fix it) would be considered gross negligence... especially in todays modern cyber security environment.

XP is fine in some applications. It's not uncommon in air-gapped industrial control systems.


We have machines still running DOS. They work..
 
2021-10-26 9:12:02 AM  
Window 7 has been very good to me.
 
2021-10-26 9:23:19 AM  

thehellisthis: kdawg7736: Hell I still remember Windows 95 and Netscape Navigator.

And Trumpet Winsock to tie the two together.


You beat me to it.  I remember the first time I opened Netscape 1.0 and saw "BOB's WEB PAGE" in blinking rainbow colors.
Shout out to Something Awful, The Spark, and SoxSuck.
/RIP
 
2021-10-26 9:32:11 AM  

crumblecat: air-gapped industrial control systems


Iran maybe used it for some things.
 
2021-10-26 9:33:45 AM  

fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.


Learned COBOL in high school on a Burroughs B1900 with the washing machine-sized disc packs.
 
2021-10-26 9:54:17 AM  

TTFK: fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.

Learned COBOL in high school on a Burroughs B1900 with the washing machine-sized disc packs.


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2021-10-26 10:26:15 AM  

weirdneighbour: Window 7 has been very good to me.


I'm using it now.  Windows 10 was unbearable.  Advertising built into my operating system?  No thank you.
So windows 7 is the last upgrade.  I guess after I can't get those anymore, I'll stop using the internet.  I almost broke my other computer, trying to get Windows 10 to stop telling me what to do.
 
2021-10-26 10:37:48 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: People are paranoid and stupid. My Windows XP box has never had a virus and still works just ENLARGE YOUR PENIS TODAY! ASK ME HOW!!!


HOW??
 
2021-10-26 11:11:02 AM  

cryinoutloud: weirdneighbour: Window 7 has been very good to me.

I'm using it now.  Windows 10 was unbearable.  Advertising built into my operating system?  No thank you.
So windows 7 is the last upgrade.  I guess after I can't get those anymore, I'll stop using the internet.  I almost broke my other computer, trying to get Windows 10 to stop telling me what to do.


It takes like 3 minutes to turn off the "ads" as people call them.

Disable windows search from returning web results, disable recommendations, and disable their start screen/lock screen malarkey.

Done.

It's not exactly rocket science, nor a significant barrier to remove this stuff.

If you prefer not using an OS from a company that would do that, Linux is very usable these days. But staying in Windows XP or Windows 7 is not really an acceptable choice as a responsible person.

There are allowances for outside small use case scenarios, like embedded, or machines that are airgapped and running scientific equipment that can't be replaced. But that's a fraction of a fraction set of use cases.
 
2021-10-26 11:22:42 AM  

fatassbastard: Pffft
I remember using magnetic tape in college.
Huge step up from punchcards and way better than an abacus.


Greetings, fellow old guy!

I was in the last Freshman Chemistry class to use slide rules. In December of that year, I bought a Sears-branded Bowmar 4-banger.  One of my better off classmates got an HP-45. She was popular.

Mainframe was a CDC 3600/3800 pair, later upgraded to a CYBER74.  Timesharing was through a Tempo minicomputer acting as a multiplexor for about 50 dialup lines (mostly ASR33 Teletypes with a few 2741 Selectric terminals for use with APL).  Plenty of punch cards.
 
2021-10-26 11:43:58 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Bah. It's almost all point of sale and kiosk systems kept as is because of user "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality or the vendor has gone claws up.


A lot of manufacturing equipment still uses it. The lifespan of an industrial robotic lathe is longer than the release cycle for windows.
-
/Its stable, and networking is disabled, so its really a non-issue
 
2021-10-26 12:11:20 PM  
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From my cold dead hands.
 
2021-10-26 12:27:34 PM  

New Farkin User Name: Jumpthruhoops: People are paranoid and stupid. My Windows XP box has never had a virus and still works just ENLARGE YOUR PENIS TODAY! ASK ME HOW!!!

HOW??


Shave or at least give the forest a trim. My personal trick was to marry a girl that wears glasses. Then she got lasik. Dammit.
 
2021-10-26 12:41:08 PM  

Quantumbunny: It takes like 3 minutes to turn off the "ads" as people call them.
Disable windows search from returning web results, disable recommendations, and disable their start screen/lock screen malarkey.
Done.
It's not exactly rocket science, nor a significant barrier to remove this stuff.
If you prefer not using an OS from a company that would do that, Linux is very usable these days. But staying in Windows XP or Windows 7 is not really an acceptable choice as a responsible person.
There are allowances for outside small use case scenarios, like embedded, or machines that are airgapped and running scientific equipment that can't be replaced. But that's a fraction of a fraction set of use cases.lic


Why should I use something that i have to defend myself from?  the internet is bad enough already, and I have everything turned off that I know how to turn off.  I'm not a computer person.  I can't get in there and disable the code.
Why the fark everyone thinks that 'progress' means that we have to keep upgrading to complete dehumanization  and dependence is beyond me. The public internet is a mixed blessing, at best.  A lot of is little more than a giant advertising and self-esteem torpedo.  I don't feel obliged to keep feeding it more.  I'm trying to keep it from eating me alive.
 
2021-10-26 12:42:40 PM  

Quantumbunny: cryinoutloud: weirdneighbour: Window 7 has been very good to me.

I'm using it now.  Windows 10 was unbearable.  Advertising built into my operating system?  No thank you.
So windows 7 is the last upgrade.  I guess after I can't get those anymore, I'll stop using the internet.  I almost broke my other computer, trying to get Windows 10 to stop telling me what to do.

It takes like 3 minutes to turn off the "ads" as people call them.

Disable windows search from returning web results, disable recommendations, and disable their start screen/lock screen malarkey.

Done.

It's not exactly rocket science, nor a significant barrier to remove this stuff.

If you prefer not using an OS from a company that would do that, Linux is very usable these days. But staying in Windows XP or Windows 7 is not really an acceptable choice as a responsible person.

There are allowances for outside small use case scenarios, like embedded, or machines that are airgapped and running scientific equipment that can't be replaced. But that's a fraction of a fraction set of use cases.


Sounds like other people problems, if they can't handle the mighty Windows 7 it's on them.
 
2021-10-26 1:51:22 PM  

Quantumbunny: If the reason you're staying in Windows XP is access to local email that would could be trivially accessible or transferred to a new OS/PC you are not making good decisions.


The emails are already transferred to another machine so no worries there, amd those are backed up. I want to keep the originals as well.

I'll tell my boss I'm making bad decisions the next time I look in the mirror.
 
2021-10-26 2:54:58 PM  
Now, if one could find someone still running Windows NT, or better yet, CP/M, that would be something.
 
2021-10-26 3:11:13 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Now, if one could find someone still running Windows NT, or better yet, CP/M, that would be something.


Not NT, but I'm pretty sure I still have a Win2K laptop stuffed in the back of my closet somewhere. At a blistering (IIRC) 400 MHz, it's not gonna run anything more recent than that. (My intent was to revert it to a dedicated DOS gaming machine, but I never got around to tracking down a set of install discs for an OS with actual DOS)
 
2021-10-26 3:12:18 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Now, if one could find someone still running Windows NT, or better yet, CP/M, that would be something.


I know of one functioning CP/M machine, A Kaypro.
It has an SSD in place of the 10 meg MFM hard drive, so it will probably still be doing its thing for some time to come.
AFAIK its only real application is to be placed at interns desks for their first day on the job, along side an acoustic coupler modem.
/Which to be fair, is a worthy reason to keep it alive all by itself.
 
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