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2021-10-25 6:13:26 PM  
Yes.

Next question?
 
2021-10-25 6:26:15 PM  
Every time he uses the transporter, the little death occurs.
 
2021-10-25 6:41:09 PM  
Do you die every time you sleep? Are you sure about that?
 
2021-10-25 6:52:50 PM  
No.

Next question?

/on "Enterprise", we meet the inventor of the transporter and he confirmed that doesn't happen
//hate the show if you must but it's canon
 
2021-10-25 7:04:19 PM  
Yes

but no one really knows how the transporters work since it was used in the OST to save time and budget

Star wars didn't have Teleporters
 
2021-10-25 7:11:59 PM  
As Larry Niven put it in his essay, "The Theory and Practice of Teleportation": I don't know. I wouldn't ride in one of the goddamn things.
 
2021-10-25 7:43:45 PM  
I died just a little reading this thread.

Get a life!
 
2021-10-25 7:49:58 PM  

sorceror: As Larry Niven put it in his essay, "The Theory and Practice of Teleportation": I don't know. I wouldn't ride in one of the goddamn things.


My first thought was Larry Niven as well, but the book where the protagonist specifically said he was going to die, so he had to prepare to die while also knowing that he would also feel exhilarated at surviving.
 
2021-10-25 8:07:25 PM  

markie_farkie: I died just a little reading this thread.

Get a life!


Well you did take the time to read the read, having an idea what it was about.
 
2021-10-25 8:08:07 PM  
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2021-10-25 8:18:27 PM  
Not every time...sometimes he splits in two and sometimes he goes to the evil universe where Spock has a goatee, but the rest of the time, yeah.
 
2021-10-25 9:29:11 PM  

markie_farkie: Get a life!


Get a sense of humor!
 
2021-10-25 9:40:48 PM  

Kris_Romm: markie_farkie: Get a life!

Get a sense of humor!


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2021-10-25 9:54:56 PM  

iron de havilland: Kris_Romm: markie_farkie: Get a life!

Get a sense of humor!

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I always thought it would be funny if that guy was talking to people with the surname "Moran".
 
2021-10-25 10:03:33 PM  

Kris_Romm: I always thought it would be funny if that guy was talking to people with the surname "Moran".


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Maybe she broke up with Chachi (Scott Baio, a well known right winger) and his friends weren't happy about it. "Moran" was plural because he was addressing her whole family.
 
2021-10-25 10:06:38 PM  
He drowns in a tank

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2021-10-25 10:23:48 PM  

Mugato: Kris_Romm: I always thought it would be funny if that guy was talking to people with the surname "Moran".

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Maybe she broke up with Chachi (Scott Baio, a well known right winger) and his friends weren't happy about it. "Moran" was plural because he was addressing her whole family.


Exactly.  I was thinking of her and in the back of my mind did remember Chaci is a right wing lunatic now.
 
2021-10-25 10:37:33 PM  
Whatever actually happens, the person that comes out at the end doesn't think they died
 
2021-10-25 10:37:39 PM  

GoodCopBadCop: He drowns in a tank

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What I thought of.

And the phrasing of it: does Captain Kirk die every time... Wouldn't they all die (or not die) every time they used the transporter?

I think people that used the transporter Willie Wonka's chocolate factory died several times before they were reassembled. But in Star Trek? Nah, they just got a little tired from the trip.
 
2021-10-25 10:46:17 PM  
Catherine Chun might know.


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2021-10-25 10:47:11 PM  

markie_farkie: I died just a little reading this thread.

Get a life!


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2021-10-25 10:47:32 PM  
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri Secret Project: The Bulk Matter Transmitter
Youtube wh-ZcdO5fe8
 
2021-10-25 10:52:43 PM  
Ok, humans might be atheists in the future but there are spiritual species left in the galaxy. Vulcans wouldn't believe that their katra would survive the trip and Klingons wouldn't consider voluntarily stepping into a disintegration machine while not in battle an honorable death. So if the transporter really killed you, at least two species would never use it.
 
2021-10-25 10:54:42 PM  

kkinnison: Yes

but no one really knows how the transporters work since it was used in the OST to save time and budget

Star wars didn't have Teleporters


Even the Emperor is not THAT evil
 
2021-10-25 10:55:45 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: GoodCopBadCop: He drowns in a tank

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What I thought of.

And the phrasing of it: does Captain Kirk die every time... Wouldn't they all die (or not die) every time they used the transporter?

I think people that used the transporter Willie Wonka's chocolate factory died several times before they were reassembled. But in Star Trek? Nah, they just got a little tired from the trip.


It's just a little jaunt, but it takes longer than you think
 
2021-10-25 10:58:00 PM  
Depends on how big a stickler you are concerning the Ship of Theseus problem and continuity.
 
2021-10-25 11:03:19 PM  
In Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" and "Endymion" series he writes about teleportation / FTL travel in very detailed, pseudo-scientific, highly disturbing ways. In Endymion, they straight up say "Your body won't withstand FTL travel. You're liquefied. Fortunately, we've embedded this iconographic parasite into you, so we'll put you in a bowl, and once you're at your destination the parasite will rebuild you from the goo at the bottom."

Ilium / Olympos is slightly less disturbing.

/ Farcasting
// Resurrection Creche
/// Shudder.
 
2021-10-25 11:03:48 PM  
Yes.

But good luck defining death in terms of God and law and .... pretty much all the reality that most people rely on to define ... the self.

Or is it that the person survives and the rest of the universe is clicked on and off?

/ mirror universes, parallel universes, etc.
// you know the drill.
/// eventually you could do one hour episodes making deep statements because you never needed any exposition. Imagine. Everyone knows what a transporter is, what it does, and it has never existed.
 
2021-10-25 11:05:09 PM  

potierrh: Every time he uses the transporter, the little death occurs.


Giggity tag needed, but only if you are French.
 
2021-10-25 11:10:03 PM  

Mugato: /on "Enterprise", we meet the inventor of the transporter and he confirmed that doesn't happen


How would we know? If a person went through, they'd tell you they are the person who went in regardless of whether or not it killed you. If you went through you would tell people you are the same person that went in but you couldn't know for sure you weren't merely a perfect copy of someone who is now dead. There is no way to send someone through where they could tell anyone, even themselves, whether or not they are the original or a copy.

This thought experiment seems to ask the question if there is something intrinsic or essential about being alive that can't be replicated, basically a soul.
 
2021-10-25 11:17:53 PM  

guttermedic: In Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" and "Endymion" series he writes about teleportation / FTL travel in very detailed, pseudo-scientific, highly disturbing ways. In Endymion, they straight up say "Your body won't withstand FTL travel. You're liquefied. Fortunately, we've embedded this iconographic parasite into you, so we'll put you in a bowl, and once you're at your destination the parasite will rebuild you from the goo at the bottom."

Ilium / Olympos is slightly less disturbing.

/ Farcasting
// Resurrection Creche
/// Shudder.


I found Raul Endymion getting the hots for a child far more disturbing than anything else in the Cantos.

/But you've got to adjust your expectations with libertarian authors, I guess.
 
2021-10-25 11:18:54 PM  
The Man Who Dies Everyday
Youtube 1FPO9_gXyq0
 
2021-10-25 11:21:19 PM  
"Information sent at the speed of light"

Except in that alternate universe movie where they could suddenly beam you a few thousand light years.
 
2021-10-25 11:22:57 PM  
Welcome to the same debate since the '10s
'00s
'90s
'80s
'70s

'60s.  There ya go.
 
2021-10-25 11:25:53 PM  
At a quantum level (which is where what we perceive consciousness resides anyway) you are always Schrodinger.  Every moment you are alive, you are dead the next, and then alive again.  A teleporter is no difference than losing consciousness and waking up somewhere else.

Now, the you that "arrives" somewhere else is not the you that left.  But neither is the you of now, the you who started reading this post.  You left them behind and they died, now you're here.  If you can grok that, then get in the damn teleporter and get it over with.  If not? Well, carpe diem.
 
2021-10-25 11:26:46 PM  
We. in the 21st century, don't know enough to even know if that's an intelligent question let alone what the answer is.  From this little dingbat essay, it's clear she doesn't know enough about the science we have today ("Energy isn't something, it's a property") to even begin to even come up with a decent question.
 
2021-10-25 11:27:28 PM  
It depends on whether you believe that people have souls or not.

Either way, the physical body is converted to code and then destroyed, to be reassembled on the other end. Since the signal is only binary, the atoms that make up the new body are completely different from the ones that were destroyed at the point of transportation. The atoms from the original body are recycled and undoubtedly end up in someone's sandwich from the replicator the next day.

Maybe the code that is transmitted is the actual soul. If so, that would be the best case scenario. The worst case would be the soul does exist, but the transporter doesn't even recognize it, so the thing that comes out on the other end looks like you, thinks like you and has all the same memories as you, but doesn't have a soul.
 
2021-10-25 11:34:15 PM  

Befuddled: Mugato: /on "Enterprise", we meet the inventor of the transporter and he confirmed that doesn't happen

How would we know? If a person went through, they'd tell you they are the person who went in regardless of whether or not it killed you. If you went through you would tell people you are the same person that went in but you couldn't know for sure you weren't merely a perfect copy of someone who is now dead. There is no way to send someone through where they could tell anyone, even themselves, whether or not they are the original or a copy.

This thought experiment seems to ask the question if there is something intrinsic or essential about being alive that can't be replicated, basically a soul.


Well, the same holds true, as someone pointed out above, every time you go to sleep.  The continuity of self is ended as soon as you lose consciousness.  You can never be sure that the you that wakes up is the you that went to sleep.

Though, can't even really be sure that the universe didn't begin in situ a second ago.
 
2021-10-25 11:37:38 PM  
The No Cloning Theorem
Youtube owPC60Ue0BE
 
2021-10-25 11:37:57 PM  

potierrh: Every time he uses the transporter, the little death occurs.


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2021-10-25 11:44:15 PM  
It's a fictional show
None of it exists
The writers can make it do whatever they want
 
2021-10-25 11:45:09 PM  
It depends on whether or not the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is the correct one.  If so, then no.  If not, then yes.
 
2021-10-25 11:46:01 PM  
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2021-10-25 11:46:05 PM  
You're overthinking it Sabine.  "Die" is just a word.
 
2021-10-25 11:46:12 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: It's a fictional show
None of it exists
The writers can make it do whatever they want


Wow, that's profound. We all thought it was a documentary. Thanks for setting us straight.
 
2021-10-25 11:49:03 PM  

mudesi: It depends on whether or not the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is the correct one.  If so, then no.  If not, then yes.


Isn't it like Schrödinger's cat?  Kirk is both alive AND dead.
 
2021-10-25 11:59:21 PM  
Couldn't they use the transporter buffer to cure immortality? It works in FTL.
 
2021-10-26 12:13:37 AM  
The thing is, if they convert the human body into energy, how do they contain the massive explosive potential they just created before they can send and reassemble it somewhere else?
 
2021-10-26 12:14:29 AM  

Mugato: Herr Flick's Revenge: It's a fictional show
None of it exists
The writers can make it do whatever they want

Wow, that's profound. We all thought it was a documentary. Thanks for setting us straight.


Since you could not figure it out yourself, you are welcome.
I try to help you little people out where I can
 
2021-10-26 12:14:33 AM  
Yes, but shuttlecraft are expensive and none of the dead Kirks have complained yet.

Now here's my question. You have what is essentially a cloning machine. You can turn one Riker into two Rikers. Maybe you have to kill a Riker to use it, maybe you don't; doesn't matter. Point is, why stop there? Why not four or sixteen or 256 Rikers? Why not an entire dang Starfleet's worth of Rikers?

You could put together an all-star team of the Federation's best and brightest, then Xerox them as needed to fill your complement of starships. Rig up the pattern buffer for long-term storage, like Scotty did, and you could even have spares. "Computer, queue up five Ensign Rickies for the away team."
 
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