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2021-10-25 3:57:34 PM  
They're kind of vague about what these jobs are and what they're offering besides "above minimum wage".

Anyway, I ghosted the website when it told me "we have to talk about your ad blocker".
 
Juc
2021-10-25 5:06:03 PM  
That's not a new trend.
Maybe calling it ghosting is a new trend, but just not showing up, or what have you has been going on forever.
 
2021-10-25 5:06:25 PM  

Mugato: They're kind of vague about what these jobs are and what they're offering besides "above minimum wage".

Anyway, I ghosted the website when it told me "we have to talk about your ad blocker".


Last year I was ghosted by a few companies for high-paying consulting jobs. Now that those companies are coming around again and I've been working all this year, not only has my rate gone up, but I might be all "new number, who dis'?"
 
2021-10-25 5:25:07 PM  

Juc: That's not a new trend.
Maybe calling it ghosting is a new trend, but just not showing up, or what have you has been going on forever.


Especially in some fields.
 
2021-10-25 5:27:46 PM  
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2021-10-25 5:29:43 PM  
Yeah, they can pound sand. If you want people to show up you best have the greatest offer in the area.

I once had a company ghost me, only to call me up 4 years later. I politely told them I would never work for such a shoddy company that can't manage a 'we've gone with another candidate' email.

More companies should have had a long term plan that accounted for a labor shortage. I was reading about this eventuality in a textbook from 5 years ago. This has been a long time coming jackholes.
 
2021-10-25 5:40:07 PM  
20 years ago there were telling me that, in my field, there was going to be a shortage of qualified people coming up--because the job is a mixed bag, blue collar...and employers were axing all the training programs.

20 years ago they saw the 'pipeline' drying up.

And now we're here, and the employers are absolutely gob-smacked that, with no training or apprentice programs in place, there is somehow a currently a shortage of qualified applicants.

/Of course, now they are pressuring the state to 'do something'
//Which means get rid of the license, or give them away (I assume).
///Hey! I've got a cunning plan to deal with the shortage of Dr.s, RNs, LPNs, Respitaory Therapists, etc....
 
2021-10-25 5:48:44 PM  
Most American employers haven't done a God damned thing to earn the employees they already have.  Why should they get more?
 
2021-10-25 5:59:00 PM  
Job hunting right now, because I can't stand my current gig, and it's abysmal. They aren't learning a damn thing from the labour shortage. In my field, every ad could be boiled down to basically "need slave for slave labor" and save everyone time.

With the way this country is going I'm thinking moving into the woods to live like a wild man would be a lateral move at this point.
 
2021-10-25 6:02:02 PM  
Oddly, my workplace sent out a survey recently asking if we would stay in the job if we found another job with similar benefits, if we felt like a valued part of the organization, etc.

I had believed that they didn't give a damn about employees because they were banking on the pay/pension to keep people. That survey makes me think that they are getting worried.

...it would be years before they do a darn thing that is helpful, tho. All they are doing right now is adding more to the workload because we are stupidly understaffed.
 
2021-10-25 6:08:08 PM  
On a topic that may or may not have to do with the topic, I've been reading about a shiatton of ride breakdowns at Disney World ever since the pandemic hit. I used to work there and there were never any problems except the occasional hiccup. I wonder if this has to do with them not hiring enough people or not training them properly.
 
2021-10-25 6:13:59 PM  

Snaptastic: Oddly, my workplace sent out a survey recently asking if we would stay in the job if we found another job with similar benefits, if we felt like a valued part of the organization, etc.

I had believed that they didn't give a damn about employees because they were banking on the pay/pension to keep people. That survey makes me think that they are getting worried.

...it would be years before they do a darn thing that is helpful, tho. All they are doing right now is adding more to the workload because we are stupidly understaffed.


Note to employers: once someone has accepted a higher offer somewhere else it's usually too late. Given the current market, if you offer, or adjust current people to the new market rate before they start looking, then it's much more likely they don't bother to look in the first place.

Surveys and togetherness and team building doesn't keep people.
 
2021-10-25 6:20:53 PM  

Snaptastic: Oddly, my workplace sent out a survey recently asking if we would stay in the job if we found another job with similar benefits, if we felt like a valued part of the organization, etc.

I had believed that they didn't give a damn about employees because they were banking on the pay/pension to keep people. That survey makes me think that they are getting worried.

...it would be years before they do a darn thing that is helpful, tho. All they are doing right now is adding more to the workload because we are stupidly understaffed.


Do you not feel 'valued'?  Would a mandatory, after-work, pizza party help?
 
2021-10-25 6:21:16 PM  

GodComplex: Yeah, they can pound sand. If you want people to show up you best have the greatest offer in the area.

I once had a company ghost me, only to call me up 4 years later. I politely told them I would never work for such a shoddy company that can't manage a 'we've gone with another candidate' email.

More companies should have had a long term plan that accounted for a labor shortage. I was reading about this eventuality in a textbook from 5 years ago. This has been a long time coming jackholes.


It's been a good 16 years or so since I last got a 'thanks but we've gone with another candidate email'.

I figure at some HR symposium in 2000, it was decided to stop notifying candidates they were not selected.
 
2021-10-25 6:44:20 PM  
It's always seemed to me that employers you apply for, for the most part, don't give a fark about your application. It's like "Yeah, we're hiring. But we're gonna treat this like college admissions. You're getting wait-listed because there were better candidates than you.  Or maybe there aren't. But we're gonna make you wait anyway." But then you think to yourself "Are you serious? You're farking Kohl's, not Harvard, you dumbasses". I have the name for it, "theoretical hiring". That's what many big companies have been up to for years. I remember applying for jobs years ago, and only getting the "We've moved on to other candidates" email months later, and my first thought was "Are you serious? I stopped being interested in working for you in the Spring and it's about to be Thanksgiving."

It's no wonder people are bailing on the interview when the company seems like it can't be bothered to give a shiat from the get-go.
 
2021-10-25 6:46:30 PM  
What's funny is the double standard employers have with respect to interviewing. I'm dressed appropriately and join the MS Teams meeting on time. My room is clean and organized, lighting and sound level are good and I'm not using the fake background overlay setting. The hiring manager joins 10 minutes late (without notifying me beforehand), looks like he/she hasn't bathed yet or just stepped out of the shower with shiat hair and threw on whatever clean clothes they could find.
 
2021-10-25 6:48:05 PM  
Asking for a thanks/no-thanks in a lateral hire is not understanding the process. A company will screen and interview on a rolling basis until it gets a satisfactory candidate. If you haven't been told "no" it's a "maybe." They don't know if they can get their top candidates and they don't know if the "top" candidates are as good as they think. If the recruiter brings the manager 10 resumes and the manager says they all suck, then the recruiter goes back to the pile to look for more. They can't tell someone "sorry" until a candidate has accepted the job and it could be months after the resume was sent in.

Now if you're talking about on-campus recruiting that's different. They get 100 resumes, they interview and pick 10 to hire and the rest are not getting hired. If 8 of the 10 accept they don't go back to look for two more interns. With on-campus recruiting it is smart to tell people "sorry" because odds are you'll be hiring a lot more in the future and you don't want to poison the well.
 
2021-10-25 6:55:08 PM  

stevesporn2000: Asking for a thanks/no-thanks in a lateral hire is not understanding the process. A company will screen and interview on a rolling basis until it gets a satisfactory candidate. If you haven't been told "no" it's a "maybe." They don't know if they can get their top candidates and they don't know if the "top" candidates are as good as they think. If the recruiter brings the manager 10 resumes and the manager says they all suck, then the recruiter goes back to the pile to look for more. They can't tell someone "sorry" until a candidate has accepted the job and it could be months after the resume was sent in.

Now if you're talking about on-campus recruiting that's different. They get 100 resumes, they interview and pick 10 to hire and the rest are not getting hired. If 8 of the 10 accept they don't go back to look for two more interns. With on-campus recruiting it is smart to tell people "sorry" because odds are you'll be hiring a lot more in the future and you don't want to poison the well.



Thanks for Corporate Explaining to us that your process is your process and you're not willing to change it when it starts driving away applicants who don't like your process.  Brilliant. You do you.
 
2021-10-25 7:16:32 PM  

SecondaryControl: Snaptastic: Oddly, my workplace sent out a survey recently asking if we would stay in the job if we found another job with similar benefits, if we felt like a valued part of the organization, etc.

I had believed that they didn't give a damn about employees because they were banking on the pay/pension to keep people. That survey makes me think that they are getting worried.

...it would be years before they do a darn thing that is helpful, tho. All they are doing right now is adding more to the workload because we are stupidly understaffed.

Do you not feel 'valued'?  Would a mandatory, after-work, pizza party help?


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2021-10-25 7:18:58 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Most American employers haven't done a God damned thing to earn the employees they already have.  Why should they get more?


Thing is that despite the mainstream media propaganda, there ISN'T a "worker shortage". There's a DECENT PAYING JOB shortage.

Who the fark wants to work in a  place flipping burgers all day while getting screamed at by enraged Karens while their boss in the back is stealing hours from their paycheck?
 
2021-10-25 7:19:49 PM  
I try not to be too hasty on the final mass-email "the position has been filled" notice as it can still be that:
* After your new hire has already accepted your offer, they call back before their first day and let you know they've accepted another offer instead.
* The new hire doesn't show up on their first day and ghosts.
* The new hire works for a few days then ghosts.

Then it's hoping that the next-best candidate from the first round is still interested or starting the whole process over again.

It's a dog-eat-dog world out there and I can understand both employers and workers doing just what is in their own best interests.
 
2021-10-25 7:38:43 PM  
When I supported senior execs I always sent out letters to those we interviewed as soon as I knew we passed on them.  HR would not and I felt it was professional courtesy to do so.

I have been ghosted and also dragged along with "definitely want the team to meet you" only to be told i was not in consideration when I followed up.  I told the recruiter that they wasted their time and mine by not being honest.  My entire interview with the hiring manager was her complaining about her incompetent team.

I applied for several jobs when I got RIFd in 2018 and heard nothing from most.  Same to companies I applied in early this year, or the recruiters couldn't schedule timely interviews.  Suddenly the same companies,  including the one above, are cold recruiting me via LinkedIn.   I just ignore them now.  Funny how tables have turned.  The AI interview process Lumen uses is a joke.  Apply, do a 30 min AI screen, on video, before they even look at your resume.   Nope, not going to waste my time if you cannot treat applicants like humans.  They are always hiring.
 
2021-10-25 7:49:02 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Marcus Aurelius: Most American employers haven't done a God damned thing to earn the employees they already have.  Why should they get more?

Thing is that despite the mainstream media propaganda, there ISN'T a "worker shortage". There's a DECENT PAYING JOB shortage.

Who the fark wants to work in a  place flipping burgers all day while getting screamed at by enraged Karens while their boss in the back is stealing hours from their paycheck?


What is your definition of living wage?  14 months ago it was $15 per hour.  Most unskilled jobs i have seen are $16 to $20, including tipped jobs.  That is more than liveable.

Leaning against the checkout counter while ignoring customers, having your customers search out water refill pitcher while three servers watch from 5 feet away, getting orders wrong, ignoring customers asking for help....NONE of these people deserve $10 an hour, much less double that.  And their apathetic treatment of customers is helping drive customers away.   A higher wage should equate to actually working, not playing on your phone while ignoring your job duties.
 
2021-10-25 8:18:46 PM  
stevesporn2000:

Sorry but you're our Sixth choice and our first and fourth choices haven't sent in their Resume yet, we don't want to tell you no just yet.
 
2021-10-25 8:20:50 PM  
Olliewog:

They deserve to starve & be culled!
 
2021-10-25 8:22:57 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Marcus Aurelius: Most American employers haven't done a God damned thing to earn the employees they already have.  Why should they get more?

Thing is that despite the mainstream media propaganda, there ISN'T a "worker shortage". There's a DECENT PAYING JOB shortage.

Who the fark wants to work in a  place flipping burgers all day while getting screamed at by enraged Karens while their boss in the back is stealing hours from their paycheck?


People have selective memories, and it drives me nuts. This was an issue 3 years ago, and everyone seems to have convieniently forgotten.

Even the derpy MAGAts, parading the 2.9% unemployment number Dumpy had compared to the 5.9% that is last month, fail to remember employers BEGGING for warm bodies and the carousel of job applications.

There has been a 4 year worker shortage because we have reached "peak capitalism". Companies have promised so much in contracts, that there is negative room for issues. 1 million widgets? Well, the plant can only make 10,000 a day. By the power of magic, we can have it done in a month, thanks for the payment, I'm going on vacation since I get 10% commission. I love being in sales! And they turn around and complain that people haven't magically appeared out of a gienie bottle, or slave ship.

All that sustainability bullshiat feed to me in the aughts was a waste of time. Accept to make 10,000 widgets, and your supplier only has 9,950 bolts? Eh, what's 50 short. I still made a profit, and the stock went up 5% this quarter.

Then 50 goes to 100. And goes to 150. Now you are redlining contract lawyers. Now whole contracts have to be voided since you are a week behind, and your supplier is following your stupid business model. You couldn't order 8,000, let alone 10,000 bolts if you life depended on it, because there aren't that many bolts on the market! Oh  and now you need double the employees (at your minimum rate) just to keep up from being behind.

Keep doing that for a decade and, what happun?! Let's blame covid. Not my fault.
 
2021-10-25 9:05:05 PM  
Waiting for the tables to turn on the dating scene. Time for guys to:

1. Give fake excuses
2. Give fake phone numbers
3. Stand up their dates

Why yes, I'm bitter, why do you ask?
 
2021-10-25 9:08:11 PM  

Olliewog: When I supported senior execs I always sent out letters to those we interviewed as soon as I knew we passed on them.  HR would not and I felt it was professional courtesy to do so.

I have been ghosted and also dragged along with "definitely want the team to meet you" only to be told i was not in consideration when I followed up.  I told the recruiter that they wasted their time and mine by not being honest.  My entire interview with the hiring manager was her complaining about her incompetent team.

I applied for several jobs when I got RIFd in 2018 and heard nothing from most.  Same to companies I applied in early this year, or the recruiters couldn't schedule timely interviews.  Suddenly the same companies,  including the one above, are cold recruiting me via LinkedIn.   I just ignore them now.  Funny how tables have turned.  The AI interview process Lumen uses is a joke.  Apply, do a 30 min AI screen, on video, before they even look at your resume.   Nope, not going to waste my time if you cannot treat applicants like humans.  They are always hiring.


That sure sounds like fun for a rainy afternoon! Is this a real company?
 
2021-10-25 9:44:15 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Olliewog: When I supported senior execs I always sent out letters to those we interviewed as soon as I knew we passed on them.  HR would not and I felt it was professional courtesy to do so.

I have been ghosted and also dragged along with "definitely want the team to meet you" only to be told i was not in consideration when I followed up.  I told the recruiter that they wasted their time and mine by not being honest.  My entire interview with the hiring manager was her complaining about her incompetent team.

I applied for several jobs when I got RIFd in 2018 and heard nothing from most.  Same to companies I applied in early this year, or the recruiters couldn't schedule timely interviews.  Suddenly the same companies,  including the one above, are cold recruiting me via LinkedIn.   I just ignore them now.  Funny how tables have turned.  The AI interview process Lumen uses is a joke.  Apply, do a 30 min AI screen, on video, before they even look at your resume.   Nope, not going to waste my time if you cannot treat applicants like humans.  They are always hiring.

That sure sounds like fun for a rainy afternoon! Is this a real company?


Yes, new name for century link
 
Juc
2021-10-25 9:47:20 PM  

The Ice Cream Man: Waiting for the tables to turn on the dating scene. Time for guys to:

1. Give fake excuses
2. Give fake phone numbers
3. Stand up their dates

Why yes, I'm bitter, why do you ask?


Ya know boys and girls, and misc, do that right. You just don't see it if you're not trying to date all groups.
Every group has jerks.
 
2021-10-25 9:51:02 PM  

stevesporn2000: Asking for a thanks/no-thanks in a lateral hire is not understanding the process. A company will screen and interview on a rolling basis until it gets a satisfactory candidate. If you haven't been told "no" it's a "maybe." They don't know if they can get their top candidates and they don't know if the "top" candidates are as good as they think. If the recruiter brings the manager 10 resumes and the manager says they all suck, then the recruiter goes back to the pile to look for more. They can't tell someone "sorry" until a candidate has accepted the job and it could be months after the resume was sent in.


I've seen this from both sides and while I understand the logic, it's still lousy.

I don't have to interview many people and anyone who writes me a thank-you letter after an interview gets an immediate response. (Even if I was just in the room and won't be their boss.) I usually can't say anything about whether or not they're gonna get the job, but it only takes a few minutes to look up my interview notes, see their highest scored answer(s), and say that it was nice to meet them and that I liked one of their answers and why. Nothing to violate HR's policies, but I get to help counter the indifference I hated so much when job hunting.
 
2021-10-25 10:01:37 PM  
I don't understand why you'd get an interview, then not bother to show.  Or get the job, and not even show up for day one (unless you get something else fast).
Are these people farking with employers, or just jerks?  Why do people feel like they're "taking a stand" when they act like an asshole FIRST?  Why would you want to be a dick to someone who is probably hating their job as much as you do?

AppleOptionEsc: There has been a 4 year worker shortage because we have reached "peak capitalism". Companies have promised so much in contracts, that there is negative room for issues. 1 million widgets? Well, the plant can only make 10,000 a day. By the power of magic, we can have it done in a month, thanks for the payment, I'm going on vacation since I get 10% commission. I love being in sales! And they turn around and complain that people haven't magically appeared out of a gienie bottle, or slave ship.


You can't plan infinite growth when you don't have infinite numbers of workers.
And who the fark ever thought that "infinite  growth" was a good idea in the first place?
 
2021-10-25 10:23:02 PM  

cryinoutloud: I don't understand why you'd get an interview, then not bother to show.  Or get the job, and not even show up for day one (unless you get something else fast).
Are these people farking with employers, or just jerks?  Why do people feel like they're "taking a stand" when they act like an asshole FIRST?  Why would you want to be a dick to someone who is probably hating their job as much as you do?

AppleOptionEsc: There has been a 4 year worker shortage because we have reached "peak capitalism". Companies have promised so much in contracts, that there is negative room for issues. 1 million widgets? Well, the plant can only make 10,000 a day. By the power of magic, we can have it done in a month, thanks for the payment, I'm going on vacation since I get 10% commission. I love being in sales! And they turn around and complain that people haven't magically appeared out of a gienie bottle, or slave ship.

You can't plan infinite growth when you don't have infinite numbers of workers.
And who the fark ever thought that "infinite  growth" was a good idea in the first place?


I was told there was a lot of cocaine in the 80s.
 
2021-10-25 10:35:06 PM  
I have a solution. The Republicans should announce a new initiative: a taxpayer-funded centralized national database for companies to submit the names and SS# of ghosting applicants and disappearing employees to. It would be like a credit bureau for job applications.These rude and unprofessional individuals would then be permanently blacklisted. Companies could run all applications through the database to save time and money. With one stroke of the pen, employers will again be on top of the situation, making Murica great again! I'm sure employers will be suitably grateful to the GQP, and the GQP should heavily advertise that they are responsible for this. What could possibly go wrong?
 
Juc
2021-10-25 11:56:22 PM  

cryinoutloud: I don't understand why you'd get an interview, then not bother to show.  Or get the job, and not even show up for day one (unless you get something else fast).
Are these people farking with employers, or just jerks?  Why do people feel like they're "taking a stand" when they act like an asshole FIRST?  Why would you want to be a dick to someone who is probably hating their job as much as you do?

AppleOptionEsc: There has been a 4 year worker shortage because we have reached "peak capitalism". Companies have promised so much in contracts, that there is negative room for issues. 1 million widgets? Well, the plant can only make 10,000 a day. By the power of magic, we can have it done in a month, thanks for the payment, I'm going on vacation since I get 10% commission. I love being in sales! And they turn around and complain that people haven't magically appeared out of a gienie bottle, or slave ship.

You can't plan infinite growth when you don't have infinite numbers of workers.
And who the fark ever thought that "infinite  growth" was a good idea in the first place?


Better offer could come up, or you discovered that the company isn't the right fit for you. Some folks are too scared to say anything. I don't agree with how they act but I can understand to a degree.
 
2021-10-26 5:07:50 AM  
Submitted an application for a position that had 1 year of experience OR a college degree listed as a requirement. I was at just over 1 year in a similar position, and I had a degree, so of course I applied. I received a rejection email stating that it was rejected because I didn't have enough experience. When I contacted the email provided specifically for contacting in the case of a disagreement with their determination, I brought up the fact I was just over the line, and that I had the college degree as well. They did not reply. So, you know, fark these guys.
 
2021-10-26 11:25:23 AM  

cryinoutloud: I don't understand why you'd get an interview, then not bother to show.  Or get the job, and not even show up for day one (unless you get something else fast).
Are these people farking with employers, or just jerks?  Why do people feel like they're "taking a stand" when they act like an asshole FIRST?  Why would you want to be a dick to someone who is probably hating their job as much as you do?

AppleOptionEsc: There has been a 4 year worker shortage because we have reached "peak capitalism". Companies have promised so much in contracts, that there is negative room for issues. 1 million widgets? Well, the plant can only make 10,000 a day. By the power of magic, we can have it done in a month, thanks for the payment, I'm going on vacation since I get 10% commission. I love being in sales! And they turn around and complain that people haven't magically appeared out of a gienie bottle, or slave ship.

You can't plan infinite growth when you don't have infinite numbers of workers.
And who the fark ever thought that "infinite  growth" was a good idea in the first place?


Cancer.
 
2021-10-26 11:27:34 AM  

Olliewog: What is your definition of living wage? 14 months ago it was $15 per hour. Most unskilled jobs i have seen are $16 to $20, including tipped jobs. That is more than liveable.


The Fight for 15 started 10 years ago.
 
2021-10-26 7:21:05 PM  
I always give the candidates we did not hire a personal call and an email that goes out prior to the stupid auto-generated form from Workday.

I thank them for the time they spent filling in shiatty web pages that pretend to parse their resumes but fark it up so bad it has to be done over.  I thank them for the time they spent interviewing the team.  I give them positive feedback about at least one thing they said, did, or had on their resume that impressed me.  I tell them (gently) how they could improve their resume and/or interviewing techniques.  I've even rewritten a candidate's resume for him one time.

You know what that gets me?  People who apply again when the next position opens up.  My best hire ever was a guy who failed to make the cut twice, but then went back and got the certifications I recommended.  He's now my peer, managing a team of eight developers.

Don't tell me it can't be done, or that you don't have time to treat your candidates as individuals.  I do it every time I hire somebody.  Sure, it requires more effort.  But the payoff is immense, even if my company doesn't immediately benefit.  Nobody loses when you treat people with respect and dignity.
 
2021-10-26 7:48:00 PM  
bagumpity:

Not to mention, you never know who knows who and if a bad expensive during the hiring process may detour someone they know who would be a star at the workplace from applying
 
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