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2021-10-25 3:10:27 PM  
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2021-10-25 3:11:55 PM  
CNN has their finger on the pulse (of their own erection)
 
2021-10-25 3:12:36 PM  
They spent the first ten minutes of the Today show this morning on this important topic.
 
2021-10-25 3:13:21 PM  
Ok apparently the video they have on that page is an interview with the armorer from The Crow.

Of all armorers in hollywood to interview, why him!?
 
2021-10-25 3:15:32 PM  
And Fark is going to breathlessly link to every single update while mocking the media for giving updates.
 
2021-10-25 3:18:10 PM  
The movie's producers did not reply to CNN directly but, a source close to production tells CNN "His Facebook post has a lot of misinformation in it... he said they were penny pinching and didn't hire good people, but this is a union certified set."

Up until six hours before the shooting, when the union people protested, were threatened with security, and forced off the set they mean. There's some serious CYA going on here
 
2021-10-25 3:21:11 PM  
Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.
 
2021-10-25 3:30:05 PM  
I think they need to use a more professional picture of the Armorer.

Best one they could find you say?
 
2021-10-25 3:37:35 PM  

gunga galunga: Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.


Why tho? At least a missing plane is a mystery. I can kinda get that. But why is a fairly simple and not entirely uncommon workplace accident getting so much press? It'd be one thing if Baldwin had went postal and just straight up ganked a motherfarker, but he was just as surprised as everyone else when it happened.
 
2021-10-25 3:38:58 PM  
Dumbasses were using the gun for target practice between shoots with live ammo.

Baldwin and his production company are gonna be taken to the cleaners.
 
2021-10-25 3:41:15 PM  
Baldwin has fathered 5 kids in the last 7 years so we know he ain't shootin' blanks
 
2021-10-25 3:41:56 PM  

Esroc: gunga galunga: Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.

Why tho? At least a missing plane is a mystery. I can kinda get that. But why is a fairly simple and not entirely uncommon workplace accident getting so much press? It'd be one thing if Baldwin had went postal and just straight up ganked a motherfarker, but he was just as surprised as everyone else when it happened.


Because of the CYA and finger pointing going on, along with the conspiracy theorists already out there either claiming Baldwin shot Hutchins because she knew deets on Killary, or that the Big Orange Turd used his tiny hands to fire the shot and blame Baldwin.
And also a prime example of what IATSE has been protesting and threatening a strike over for work and safety conditions, that actually came down to a walkout in this case, with a troubled production that all but spelled out "disaster incoming" in 50 foot tall flaming letters.
 
2021-10-25 3:42:02 PM  

Esroc: gunga galunga: Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.

Why tho? At least a missing plane is a mystery. I can kinda get that. But why is a fairly simple and not entirely uncommon workplace accident getting so much press? It'd be one thing if Baldwin had went postal and just straight up ganked a motherfarker, but he was just as surprised as everyone else when it happened.


They found the dead white girl and the dead white girl's killer too quick
 
2021-10-25 3:44:09 PM  

Esroc: gunga galunga: Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.

Why tho? At least a missing plane is a mystery. I can kinda get that. But why is a fairly simple and not entirely uncommon workplace accident getting so much press? It'd be one thing if Baldwin had went postal and just straight up ganked a motherfarker, but he was just as surprised as everyone else when it happened.


And there's your mystery. Why were live rounds brought to the set? Who had access to the prop gun? Was it an accident or is there a motive? Was Halyna Hutchins the intended victim, or just an innocent bystander in this nefarious plot? What did Alec Baldwin know, and when did he know it? Tune it to CNN for your hourly updates.
 
2021-10-25 3:46:11 PM  

gunga galunga: Esroc: gunga galunga: Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.

Why tho? At least a missing plane is a mystery. I can kinda get that. But why is a fairly simple and not entirely uncommon workplace accident getting so much press? It'd be one thing if Baldwin had went postal and just straight up ganked a motherfarker, but he was just as surprised as everyone else when it happened.

And there's your mystery. Why were live rounds brought to the set? Who had access to the prop gun? Was it an accident or is there a motive? Was Halyna Hutchins the intended victim, or just an innocent bystander in this nefarious plot? What did Alec Baldwin know, and when did he know it? Tune it to CNN for your hourly updates.


🎶He knew the gun was loaded but he didn't think it killed
Everything exploded and the blood began to spill 🎵
 
2021-10-25 3:52:46 PM  

Esroc: gunga galunga: Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.

Why tho? At least a missing plane is a mystery. I can kinda get that. But why is a fairly simple and not entirely uncommon workplace accident getting so much press? It'd be one thing if Baldwin had went postal and just straight up ganked a motherfarker, but he was just as surprised as everyone else when it happened.


1) It gives the GOP a chubby. Someone died (big turn on for them) and it involved someone they detest. This gives CNN a way to draw in those viewers.

2) This is the sexy version of Amazon is unsafe and has union issues. We know this but Scarlett Johansson is not injuring the workers and letting scabs on site.

This was Baldwin's production company and either he was oblivious or negligent in this case. He could have forced the production to pay attention to the union complaints about safety. None of this puts him in a good light.
 
2021-10-25 3:55:21 PM  
"At this time Alec Baldwin has not shot anyone this hour. Repeat as of this hour no more persons have been shot by Alec Baldwin this current past hour. Now John back to you."
 
2021-10-25 3:55:42 PM  
"Is she still dead, Wolf?"
Someone sarcastically said that when Wolf Blitzer was standing in a cemetery at night, waiting for Anna Nicole Smith's body to show up.  😄
 
2021-10-25 3:56:20 PM  
I'd love to hear what Baldwin's lawyer has told him.
 
2021-10-25 4:00:45 PM  

WDFark think for a second: I'd love to hear what Baldwin's lawyer has told him.


"Don't say a word to the press" would be my guess as the first thing out of his mouth.
 
2021-10-25 4:03:22 PM  

gunga galunga: WDFark think for a second: I'd love to hear what Baldwin's lawyer has told him.

"Don't say a word to the press" would be my guess as the first thing out of his mouth.


In this day and age also send no texts, e-mails or twits.
 
2021-10-25 4:07:31 PM  

gunga galunga: WDFark think for a second: I'd love to hear what Baldwin's lawyer has told him.

"Don't say a word to the press" would be my guess as the first thing out of his mouth.


But he did though. There's some repeated generic quote about being very sad about the tragedy and working with the police from Baldwin repeated in a lot of articles. Though that Frankly could just be his PR person.
 
2021-10-25 4:13:27 PM  

WDFark think for a second: gunga galunga: WDFark think for a second: I'd love to hear what Baldwin's lawyer has told him.

"Don't say a word to the press" would be my guess as the first thing out of his mouth.

But he did though. There's some repeated generic quote about being very sad about the tragedy and working with the police from Baldwin repeated in a lot of articles. Though that Frankly could just be his PR person.


I'm guessing a carefully worded statement crafted by his PR people and vetted by his lawyer.
 
2021-10-25 4:37:39 PM  
12 Producers listed on the film  Perhaps a few of them could've helped out in the props dept. and security crew. (To keep the guns from walking away during breaks and used for target practice shooting)
 
2021-10-25 4:44:01 PM  
CNN is essentially watered down right wing propaganda, because they'll give it airtime for eyeballs without any care about the effect of giving crap a platform.

And right now the right is masturbating to the idea of punishing the guy who made fun of Trump on SNL, while the left will get outraged about it or try to discuss the legalities of the situation.

CNN collects advertiser revenue and smiles.  Not actively evil like Fox, but complicit with evil.
 
2021-10-25 4:54:19 PM  

Unsung_Hero: CNN is essentially watered down right wing propaganda, because they'll give it airtime for eyeballs without any care about the effect of giving crap a platform.

And right now the right is masturbating to the idea of punishing the guy who made fun of Trump on SNL, while the left will get outraged about it or try to discuss the legalities of the situation.

CNN collects advertiser revenue and smiles.  Not actively evil like Fox, but complicit with evil.


It's major news because Hollywood and the film and television industry have been strictly following safety rules for firearms successfully for a couple of decades now, and then a troubled production with plenty of red flags had a prime example of what IATSE has been fighting recently, a union walkout/thrown out, and then a fatal incident. Has nothing to do with Baldwin's roles or politics in general, and everything to do with the chain of safety failures, including his, that resulted in the death of Halyna Hutchins.
 
2021-10-25 4:59:42 PM  

skyotter: And Fark is going to breathlessly link to every single update while mocking the media for giving updates.


As I asked in a different thread on an entirely different topic: Are we in any position to criticize?
 
2021-10-25 5:00:32 PM  
Well they have to do something with the latest missing white girl story ending with a disappointing ending.
 
2021-10-25 5:25:02 PM  

hammettman: 12 Producers listed on the film  Perhaps a few of them could've helped out in the props dept. and security crew. (To keep the guns from walking away during breaks and used for target practice shooting)


"Producer" doesn't necessarily mean "in charge on the set."
A lot of times, that credit is given to the people who helped develop the script or helped get financing. Or it's given to an actor in exchange for them working for less than their usual salary.

If you watch some movies, actors are listed as producers who not only never appeared on screen, they weren't even in the same state or country during the shoot.

An example of that is, a while back, 25th Hour was on TV. Tobey Maguire is listed as a producer on that one. His involvement was that he bought the rights to the book it was based on. He was set to star, but dropped out because he had contractual obligations on Spider-Man. Ed Norton got the part, but Maguire got to keep his producer credit, even though he never set foot on the set.
 
2021-10-25 5:28:51 PM  

stoli n coke: hammettman: 12 Producers listed on the film  Perhaps a few of them could've helped out in the props dept. and security crew. (To keep the guns from walking away during breaks and used for target practice shooting)

"Producer" doesn't necessarily mean "in charge on the set."
A lot of times, that credit is given to the people who helped develop the script or helped get financing. Or it's given to an actor in exchange for them working for less than their usual salary.

If you watch some movies, actors are listed as producers who not only never appeared on screen, they weren't even in the same state or country during the shoot.

An example of that is, a while back, 25th Hour was on TV. Tobey Maguire is listed as a producer on that one. His involvement was that he bought the rights to the book it was based on. He was set to star, but dropped out because he had contractual obligations on Spider-Man. Ed Norton got the part, but Maguire got to keep his producer credit, even though he never set foot on the set.


Which has what to do with this case, where Alec Baldwin is not only a producer, but was there on the set and fired the fatal shot?
 
2021-10-25 5:47:41 PM  

Boojum2k: gunga galunga: Esroc: gunga galunga: Of course, they do. This story is this year's Flight MH370.

Why tho? At least a missing plane is a mystery. I can kinda get that. But why is a fairly simple and not entirely uncommon workplace accident getting so much press? It'd be one thing if Baldwin had went postal and just straight up ganked a motherfarker, but he was just as surprised as everyone else when it happened.

And there's your mystery. Why were live rounds brought to the set? Who had access to the prop gun? Was it an accident or is there a motive? Was Halyna Hutchins the intended victim, or just an innocent bystander in this nefarious plot? What did Alec Baldwin know, and when did he know it? Tune it to CNN for your hourly updates.

🎶He knew the gun was loaded but he didn't think it killed
Everything exploded and the blood began to spill 🎵


Lots of shady characters...
 
2021-10-25 5:49:16 PM  

Boojum2k: Has nothing to do with Baldwin's roles or politics in general, and everything to do with the chain of safety failures, including his, that resulted in the death of Halyna Hutchins.


It SHOULD have nothing to do with it, but it does, and you know it.
 
2021-10-25 5:50:09 PM  
One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how this all happened.
Two people shot, so does that mean he was AIMING at them? I understand he was practicing his 'draw', but he was doing it with people standing in front of him? For them to be shot, the gun would have to be nearly level and THEN the trigger pulled, where the article suggests he was practicing the 'draw' and the weapon discharged....which is really only gonna happen on a pull or with a wicked hair-trigger weapon.


Anyone?
 
2021-10-25 6:01:19 PM  

fastfxr: One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how this all happened.
Two people shot, so does that mean he was AIMING at them? I understand he was practicing his 'draw', but he was doing it with people standing in front of him? For them to be shot, the gun would have to be nearly level and THEN the trigger pulled, where the article suggests he was practicing the 'draw' and the weapon discharged....which is really only gonna happen on a pull or with a wicked hair-trigger weapon.


Anyone?


It was probably a pretty powerful cartridge. The bullet went through one person and into the other. In theory the gun was most likely single action and required the thumb to cock it. It could have been lots of things. He thought the gun was unloaded (but didn't check) so he was practicing drawing / aiming /  maybe even pulling the trigger in advance of shooting. Still - you should always check for rounds before handling and even practicing it is kinda uncool to draw / point in the direction of a person.
 
2021-10-25 6:08:19 PM  
LEAVE BRITNEY ALEC BALDWIN ALONE 😩
 
2021-10-25 6:10:09 PM  

madgonad: fastfxr: One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how this all happened.
Two people shot, so does that mean he was AIMING at them? I understand he was practicing his 'draw', but he was doing it with people standing in front of him? For them to be shot, the gun would have to be nearly level and THEN the trigger pulled, where the article suggests he was practicing the 'draw' and the weapon discharged....which is really only gonna happen on a pull or with a wicked hair-trigger weapon.


Anyone?

It was probably a pretty powerful cartridge. The bullet went through one person and into the other. In theory the gun was most likely single action and required the thumb to cock it. It could have been lots of things. He thought the gun was unloaded (but didn't check) so he was practicing drawing / aiming /  maybe even pulling the trigger in advance of shooting. Still - you should always check for rounds before handling and even practicing it is kinda uncool to draw / point in the direction of a person.


Apparently the camera angle was supposed to be directly looking at the gun so Baldwin was supposed to point the gun directly at the camera which had two people behind it.
 
2021-10-25 6:11:21 PM  

madgonad: fastfxr: One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how this all happened.
Two people shot, so does that mean he was AIMING at them? I understand he was practicing his 'draw', but he was doing it with people standing in front of him? For them to be shot, the gun would have to be nearly level and THEN the trigger pulled, where the article suggests he was practicing the 'draw' and the weapon discharged....which is really only gonna happen on a pull or with a wicked hair-trigger weapon.


Anyone?

It was probably a pretty powerful cartridge. The bullet went through one person and into the other. In theory the gun was most likely single action and required the thumb to cock it. It could have been lots of things. He thought the gun was unloaded (but didn't check) so he was practicing drawing / aiming /  maybe even pulling the trigger in advance of shooting. Still - you should always check for rounds before handling and even practicing it is kinda uncool to draw / point in the direction of a person.


So he was pointing the weapon, with people in the line of fire, and pulled the trigger.
I can't even force myself to do that with toy guns, much less an actual gun. Holychit.
 
2021-10-25 6:14:13 PM  

fastfxr: So he was pointing the weapon, with people in the line of fire, and pulled the trigger.
I can't even force myself to do that with toy guns, much less an actual gun. Holychit.


Yep. I thought about it and there are plenty of scenes in TV/movies in which the gun is fired directly at the camera - and that means directly at a person. If I was going to be downrange of an assumed unloaded gun you better believe I would check for live rounds.
 
2021-10-25 6:17:28 PM  

fastfxr: madgonad: fastfxr: One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how this all happened.
Two people shot, so does that mean he was AIMING at them? I understand he was practicing his 'draw', but he was doing it with people standing in front of him? For them to be shot, the gun would have to be nearly level and THEN the trigger pulled, where the article suggests he was practicing the 'draw' and the weapon discharged....which is really only gonna happen on a pull or with a wicked hair-trigger weapon.


Anyone?

It was probably a pretty powerful cartridge. The bullet went through one person and into the other. In theory the gun was most likely single action and required the thumb to cock it. It could have been lots of things. He thought the gun was unloaded (but didn't check) so he was practicing drawing / aiming /  maybe even pulling the trigger in advance of shooting. Still - you should always check for rounds before handling and even practicing it is kinda uncool to draw / point in the direction of a person.

So he was pointing the weapon, with people in the line of fire, and pulled the trigger.
I can't even force myself to do that with toy guns, much less an actual gun. Holychit.


I learned "Don't point a gun at people" with cap guns, while still in the single digits age range. Learned the rest of firearm safety at a Cub Scout camp when I was about 10. I may have picked up a lot more experience since then, but I still remember learning safety with a cap gun to begin the proper habit.
 
2021-10-25 6:18:15 PM  

madgonad: fastfxr: So he was pointing the weapon, with people in the line of fire, and pulled the trigger.
I can't even force myself to do that with toy guns, much less an actual gun. Holychit.

Yep. I thought about it and there are plenty of scenes in TV/movies in which the gun is fired directly at the camera - and that means directly at a person. If I was going to be downrange of an assumed unloaded gun you better believe I would check for live rounds.


Also typically when they do those shots, the camera is operated remotely.
 
2021-10-25 6:22:14 PM  

Boojum2k: I learned "Don't point a gun at people" with cap guns, while still in the single digits age range. Learned the rest of firearm safety at a Cub Scout camp when I was about 10. I may have picked up a lot more experience since then, but I still remember learning safety with a cap gun to begin the proper habit.


Back when I was in college I fixed a neighbor kid's Red Ryder-style BB gun. I knew it wasn't loaded. I checked the whole action, reservoir, everything. The gun wasn't loaded. I cocked it once and dry-fired it toward the sky. The entire internal assembly inside the rifle shot out and smashed a window. Even guns you know are unloaded still shouldn't be pointed at someone. There is always some crazy thing that could happen.
 
2021-10-25 7:13:38 PM  
Not a pretty white girl or missing airplane to report on

It's entertainment, not news.
 
2021-10-25 7:35:41 PM  

fastfxr: One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how this all happened.
Two people shot, so does that mean he was AIMING at them? I understand he was practicing his 'draw', but he was doing it with people standing in front of him? For them to be shot, the gun would have to be nearly level and THEN the trigger pulled, where the article suggests he was practicing the 'draw' and the weapon discharged....which is really only gonna happen on a pull or with a wicked hair-trigger weapon.


Anyone?


They were setting up a shot, so it is very possible that it was a camera facing shot.  It something that is done often in movies and there is supposed to be a set of safeguards in place, but it sounds like there were many issues on this set.  There have been several posts across the many threads that describe all of this.
 
2021-10-25 7:39:53 PM  
So, cold opening for SNL next week? Who would play Alec?
/Too soon?
 
2021-10-25 7:42:35 PM  
Alex Moffat. I think he'd make the best Alec Baldwin.
/Still too soon?
//When?
 
2021-10-25 7:43:46 PM  

madgonad: Boojum2k: I learned "Don't point a gun at people" with cap guns, while still in the single digits age range. Learned the rest of firearm safety at a Cub Scout camp when I was about 10. I may have picked up a lot more experience since then, but I still remember learning safety with a cap gun to begin the proper habit.

Back when I was in college I fixed a neighbor kid's Red Ryder-style BB gun. I knew it wasn't loaded. I checked the whole action, reservoir, everything. The gun wasn't loaded. I cocked it once and dry-fired it toward the sky. The entire internal assembly inside the rifle shot out and smashed a window. Even guns you know are unloaded still shouldn't be pointed at someone. There is always some crazy thing that could happen.


A real life example of potential energy transformed into kinetic energy. Springs are dangerous. Last time I watched that happen was a botched drum brake job.
 
2021-10-25 8:22:16 PM  
So what does Fark think CNN should report on?
 
2021-10-25 8:39:29 PM  

skybird659: So, cold opening for SNL next week? Who would play Alec?
/Too soon?


Zombie trump look a like.

So Steve Bannon.
 
2021-10-25 9:31:07 PM  

browneye: skyotter: And Fark is going to breathlessly link to every single update while mocking the media for giving updates.

As I asked in a different thread on an entirely different topic: Are we in any position to criticize?


The shooting, no. Terrible accident but not his fault.

The safety issues on the set, yes. When the union camera walked off he could have joined them (as a fellow union member) until the issues were addressed. As a producer he could have shown more care fore those under his employ.
 
DVD
2021-10-25 9:57:30 PM  

madgonad: fastfxr: So he was pointing the weapon, with people in the line of fire, and pulled the trigger.
I can't even force myself to do that with toy guns, much less an actual gun. Holychit.

Yep. I thought about it and there are plenty of scenes in TV/movies in which the gun is fired directly at the camera - and that means directly at a person. If I was going to be downrange of an assumed unloaded gun you better believe I would check for live rounds.


_____________________________

Isn't that part of why he'd be told "Cold Gun", to let him know it was unloaded?
 
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