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2021-10-25 4:28:09 AM  
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2021-10-25 9:49:11 AM  
They have a right to operate so long as they are not breaking the law nor enabling others to do so, thereby being complicit in said crimes.

Wait... What's that? There's already evidence they have? I present exhibit 1 and 2 which both show their willful inaction to curb illegal activities being operated through their hosting platform.

Investigate, prosecute, and, if they're found to have willfully turned a blind eye or worse, aided in the commission of said crimes, shut them down.
 
2021-10-25 9:51:51 AM  
 
2021-10-25 9:51:53 AM  
Now get in that kitchen and make me a sammamich.
 
2021-10-25 9:55:39 AM  
They make decent video games.  I wonder what kind of stench Ubisoft makes.
 
2021-10-25 10:00:07 AM  
I don't know why the city felt the need to post this message (other than ooh ooh ick ick), but I think what it directly means is that the business is based outside city limits (but the nearest town is probably this one so that' what it uses when specifying it's location).
 
2021-10-25 10:00:25 AM  
Epik is an American domain registrar and web hosting company known for providing services to websites that host far-right, neo-Nazi, and other extremist content. It has been described as a haven for the far-right because of its willingness to provide services to far-right websites that have been denied service by other Internet service providers.

I thought that they made chemicals or ran slaughterhouses with an 'epik' sound system that broadcasts through loudspeakers each cow's demise with a hammer4 strike, cow scream and a riff of "Another One Bites the Dust"

Or Epik Abortion Factory and Totes Unrelated Slurry Producers.
 
2021-10-25 10:00:37 AM  
Make me a sammamish!
 
2021-10-25 10:02:41 AM  
And how is T****'s  Truthie thing going?   Is there a Farker brave enough to venture forth and see how many truth followers he has?   How many truths he's issued?
 
2021-10-25 10:07:01 AM  
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2021-10-25 10:07:08 AM  
Menlo Park?

... guess not this time.
 
2021-10-25 10:07:42 AM  
White supremacists shouldn't have rights.
 
2021-10-25 10:08:29 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: And how is T****'s  Truthie thing going?   Is there a Farker brave enough to venture forth and see how many truth followers he has?   How many truths he's issued?


It's still in development. But the owners of the software platform it's built in top have told the Trumpers they have 30 days to comply with the terms of the software license. The license says consumers of the code have to publicly distribute said code including any modifications made to it.

EFF is involved. Might get lawyerly soon.
 
2021-10-25 10:09:35 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: And how is T****'s  Truthie thing going?   Is there a Farker brave enough to venture forth and see how many truth followers he has?   How many truths he's issued?


IIRC, somebody has already registered under his name. TFG didn't even register his own name before the site went live. Pretty much says everything you need to know about that website.
 
2021-10-25 10:09:58 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: And how is T****'s  Truthie thing going?   Is there a Farker brave enough to venture forth and see how many truth followers he has?   How many truths he's issued?


I wouldn't touch that site with a 20-foot pole that has Hitler's dick stapled to the business end of it.
 
2021-10-25 10:12:48 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: They make decent video games.  I wonder what kind of stench Ubisoft makes.


Epik isn't Epic.
 
2021-10-25 10:13:06 AM  

Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.


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Counterpoint.
 
2021-10-25 10:13:44 AM  

bumfuzzled: Harry Freakstorm: And how is T****'s  Truthie thing going?   Is there a Farker brave enough to venture forth and see how many truth followers he has?   How many truths he's issued?

IIRC, somebody has already registered under his name. TFG didn't even register his own name before the site went live. Pretty much says everything you need to know about that website.


Supposedly it hasn't gone live. It just has extremely shiatty security and people found publicly accessible pages before the site has launched.
 
2021-10-25 10:16:32 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: And how is T****'s  Truthie thing going?   Is there a Farker brave enough to venture forth and see how many truth followers he has?   How many truths he's issued?


I get emails from the Gab guy, also hosted by Epik, every few days.

He's very high on his own supply, which is both terrifying and amusing at the same time.
 
2021-10-25 10:19:56 AM  

Geotpf: I don't know why the city felt the need to post this message (other than ooh ooh ick ick), but I think what it directly means is that the business is based outside city limits (but the nearest town is probably this one so that' what it uses when specifying it's location).


Probably more along the lines of:  "Oh, crap, our entire City council took bribe money from these guys...no, no!  We've...um...never heard of them...might have brought us coffee a couple times."
 
2021-10-25 10:20:25 AM  
This is a story that will never get enough attention.
 
2021-10-25 10:22:03 AM  

Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.


Disagree.

They should have the right to get punched in the face.
 
2021-10-25 10:23:58 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.

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Counterpoint.


Rights and lefts directly to the face, yes.
 
2021-10-25 10:24:23 AM  

A Cave Geek: Geotpf: I don't know why the city felt the need to post this message (other than ooh ooh ick ick), but I think what it directly means is that the business is based outside city limits (but the nearest town is probably this one so that' what it uses when specifying it's location).

Probably more along the lines of:  "Oh, crap, our entire City council took bribe money from these guys...no, no!  We've...um...never heard of them...might have brought us coffee a couple times."


The specific wording said they collected no taxes from the business and their business license was from the state and not the city.
 
2021-10-25 10:28:53 AM  
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2021-10-25 10:34:52 AM  
Epik?

Fail!
 
2021-10-25 10:38:31 AM  

Outshined_One: thealgorerhythm: Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.

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Counterpoint.

Rights and lefts directly to the face, yes.


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2021-10-25 10:40:34 AM  

Astorix: [Image "Brainwashing & radicalizing American voters should NOT be 1st Amendment protected free speech."]


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So, on what basis do you reach that conclusion? And how do you define "brainwashing" and "radicalizing"?
 
2021-10-25 10:42:21 AM  

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that sounds like a dangerous and radical thought. we should look into closing down the company that allowed you to post that.
 
2021-10-25 10:43:11 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.

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Counterpoint.


Exactly. Everyone gets rights that's what makes us need civilization instead of a mob.

Suffering the consequences of your own stupid actions? That should also be happening just as often.

We went to war with the Nazis once, punching them is still on the table.
 
2021-10-25 10:46:07 AM  

oyster_popsicles: Outshined_One: thealgorerhythm: Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.

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Counterpoint.

Rights and lefts directly to the face, yes.

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This one has always been my favorite. The weak chinned armband wearing wannabe tough guy suddenly wants to have a reasoned conversation two seconds after he realized he went too far and gets knocked the fark out.
 
2021-10-25 10:46:24 AM  

patrick767: bumfuzzled: Harry Freakstorm: And how is T****'s  Truthie thing going?   Is there a Farker brave enough to venture forth and see how many truth followers he has?   How many truths he's issued?

IIRC, somebody has already registered under his name. TFG didn't even register his own name before the site went live. Pretty much says everything you need to know about that website.

Supposedly it hasn't gone live. It just has extremely shiatty security and people found publicly accessible pages before the site has launched.


It was a publicly-accessible test site, I believe.
 
MFK
2021-10-25 10:50:34 AM  

abb3w: Astorix: [Image "Brainwashing & radicalizing American voters should NOT be 1st Amendment protected free speech."]

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So, on what basis do you reach that conclusion? And how do you define "brainwashing" and "radicalizing"?


come on. We are all CLEARLY talking about the pandemic of misinformation that plagues this country and is resulting in unsustainable percentages of our society turning it's back on democracy so they can get "their way" if they even know what that is.

There's being tolerant of opposing viewpoints and there's allowing bad faith actors to use that tolerant landscape to eliminate any opposition which, by the way, includes you, presuming you are a believer in democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox​_​of_tolerance
Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.-In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.
 
2021-10-25 10:52:07 AM  

Geotpf: The specific wording said they collected no taxes from the business and their business license was from the state and not the city.


No taxes from teh business...?  What about those 'unaccounted for' payments to certain campaign coffers?  And why did the business pay no taxes?  Some deal with city council members to 'reimburse them' for lost revenue?

City council members are the most easily 'purchased' form of politician on the planet.

Federal politicians can be bought as well, but their prices are higher.
 
2021-10-25 10:59:08 AM  

Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.

No, uppercuts and body blows as shown above.
 
2021-10-25 11:13:40 AM  
LOL Sammamish!

I love it when the uber-rich people talk dirty.
 
2021-10-25 11:20:27 AM  

A Cave Geek: Geotpf: The specific wording said they collected no taxes from the business and their business license was from the state and not the city.

No taxes from teh business...?  What about those 'unaccounted for' payments to certain campaign coffers?  And why did the business pay no taxes?  Some deal with city council members to 'reimburse them' for lost revenue?

City council members are the most easily 'purchased' form of politician on the planet.

Federal politicians can be bought as well, but their prices are higher.


What exactly makes you so certain that the city has to actively permit Epik's existence?

Reminds me of a situation in my city maybe 15 years ago. An adult shop opened on a busy corner. Some people complained, but the city did not have a legal leg to stand on to shut it down, because there was no law saying that such businesses could not exist in the city. So it stayed coontil the state rebuilt the intersection a couple years ago and the building was torn down.)

I'm thinking there is probably not any law on the books saying that an ISP can't operate in the city, so there's nothing to be done about it, and because ex post facto laws are legally dicey at best, they can't make one and use it to shut them down either.
 
2021-10-25 11:24:51 AM  

MFK: We are all CLEARLY talking about the pandemic of misinformation that plagues this country


Fairly clearly, yes. However, if you're talking legally, being able to precisely define those categories is considered important if you want to prevent newspapers for being shut down over truthfully reporting that Senator Bedfellow has been indicted for 65374 counts of mail fraud, or other such inconveniences. The Chaplinsky and Brandenburg rulings also put some limits on what legal constraints would be allowable.

If you're talking the broader sense of politically, you either need to accept these constraints or give alternate social principles for establishing new ones (such as by constitutional amendment).

MFK: is resulting in unsustainable percentages of our society turning it's back on democracy so they can get "their way"


"Unsustainable" seems likely, but hides another philosophical can of worms. Also, "can try to get" would seem more precise.

MFK: presuming you are a believer in democracy


I believe it exists. I don't consider it necessarily "better" or "worse" than any other system of government until the basis of partial ordering is explicit.

If you consider it inherently a good thing, you need not only to deal with the paradox of tolerance, but the potential inherent paradox of democracy. The fundamental principle of democracy seems that the authority of a government derives from the consensus of the governed; what happens if the social consensus is that democracy is inferior to some other alternative basis of selection for the government?

Nohow, the current US political climate seems further from such a "byzantine generals" question and nearer facing the problem of "how do you bell the cat".
 
2021-10-25 11:43:12 AM  

rummonkey: oyster_popsicles: Outshined_One: thealgorerhythm: Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.

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Counterpoint.

Rights and lefts directly to the face, yes.

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/yougotknockedthef*ckout.gif

This one has always been my favorite. The weak chinned armband wearing wannabe tough guy suddenly wants to have a reasoned conversation two seconds after he realized he went too far and gets knocked the fark out.


"No, wait..." POW!

Even better than Spencer's KO.
 
2021-10-25 11:48:10 AM  

whidbey: LOL Sammamish!

I love it when the uber-rich people talk dirty.


Sammamish.  When you are too much of a douche even for Bellevue.
 
2021-10-25 11:49:52 AM  
I have been saying for months if our local Antifa/Lefty brigade was worth a crap at all, it would go out and pay Rob Monster a visit at his place of business.

But they're not and they won't. So much more strategic to smash a window at a branch bank or Starbucks, again.
 
2021-10-25 12:05:37 PM  

ColonelCathcart: I thought


Bullshiat
 
2021-10-25 12:38:15 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: They make decent video games.  I wonder what kind of stench Ubisoft makes.


Like jalapeños and migrant sweat after four weeks without a bath
 
2021-10-25 12:46:17 PM  

pdieten: I'm thinking there is probably not any law on the books saying that an ISP can't operate in the city, so there's nothing to be done about it, and because ex post facto laws are legally dicey at best, they can't make one and use it to shut them down either.

"The city collected no taxes"


That right there tells me all I need to know.  There was a deal...an easily purchased and difficult to trace 'deal'.. City council members are easily and cheaply bought, and tax structures are directly tied to who owns the land on which the company will be operating.
 
2021-10-25 12:53:52 PM  

Astorix: [Fark user image image 850x477]


*waits for religion to be outlawed*

On a related tangent I recommend any of the narrated versions of "the last church" on YouTube.  Yes it's Warhammer 40k but it's still an enjoyable morality tale... Well 40k morality.  Arrogance redeemed with faith which was itself more arrogance and churches burned
 
2021-10-25 12:55:47 PM  
Do you realize how hard the intelligence community works to keep up these right wing pages? It is much harder to track the problem people when they've been pushed to obscure places that aren't owned by the various TLAs.
 
2021-10-25 1:04:36 PM  

NateAsbestos: ColonelCathcart: I thought

Bullshiat


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2021-10-25 1:23:25 PM  
Epic?

It's magic, it's tragic
It's a loss, It's a win.

Faith No More - Epic (Official Music Video)
Youtube ZG_k5CSYKhg
 
2021-10-25 1:33:05 PM  

oyster_popsicles: Outshined_One: thealgorerhythm: Karma Chameleon: White supremacists shouldn't have rights.

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Counterpoint.

Rights and lefts directly to the face, yes.

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/yougotknockedthef*ckout.gif


I love this clip.  that dude is NOT messing about.
 
2021-10-25 2:57:06 PM  

MFK: abb3w: Astorix: [Image "Brainwashing & radicalizing American voters should NOT be 1st Amendment protected free speech."]

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So, on what basis do you reach that conclusion? And how do you define "brainwashing" and "radicalizing"?

come on. We are all CLEARLY talking about the pandemic of misinformation that plagues this country and is resulting in unsustainable percentages of our society turning it's back on democracy so they can get "their way" if they even know what that is.

There's being tolerant of opposing viewpoints and there's allowing bad faith actors to use that tolerant landscape to eliminate any opposition which, by the way, includes you, presuming you are a believer in democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_​of_tolerance
Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.-In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.


Sure, fine. Now define it with enough precision that it won't be used politically to eliminate speech someone simply doesn't like.
 
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