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2021-10-24 11:39:54 AM  
Only 90% left then.
 
2021-10-24 12:42:54 PM  
Is it a rule that if you're a woman of a certain age you have to carry a wadded-up Kleenex in one hand?

/or in a sleeve of your sweater
 
2021-10-24 1:31:11 PM  
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2021-10-24 2:23:49 PM  
49 out of 50 is actually 98%. 48 out of 50 is 96%. 49 out of 100 is only 49%.

But that one will prevent ever reaching 100%
:(
 
2021-10-24 2:24:44 PM  
Antelope freeway
1/4 mile
 
2021-10-24 2:26:22 PM  
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uh huh
 
2021-10-24 2:27:23 PM  
Bah god, that's Kyrsten Sinema's music!
 
2021-10-24 2:27:43 PM  

vudukungfu: Antelope freeway
1/4 mile


Clean up our media!

Get a hair-lift!
 
2021-10-24 2:28:26 PM  
Haven't we been 96% on all deals since Manchin & Sinema declined to state what their bribes needed to be?
 
2021-10-24 2:29:03 PM  
She just announced she's not going for reelection in 2022.I'm getting she got her legacy deal.
 
2021-10-24 2:29:36 PM  
Yeah, and they f*cking cut out paid leave and Medicare expansion.

You really are embodying that GIF of that coward who believes in giving everything to the demons until they go away.
 
2021-10-24 2:29:51 PM  
The Democrats have a real messaging problem. If they pass the reconciliation bill they're talking about (still a big if) along with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, they will have delivered $3-4T towards a combination of needed infrastructure and progressive priorities. When's the last time that happened? But it will still be viewed as a failure because it's far from what they were originally aiming for and publicly promoting.
 
2021-10-24 2:31:59 PM  

DoctorWhat: The Democrats have a real messaging problem. If they pass the reconciliation bill they're talking about (still a big if) along with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, they will have delivered $3-4T towards a combination of needed infrastructure and progressive priorities. When's the last time that happened? But it will still be viewed as a failure because it's far from what they were originally aiming for and publicly promoting.


I expect we'll hear a lot more about the $3-4T in spending come December when we're looking to borrow more money.
 
2021-10-24 2:33:53 PM  
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2021-10-24 2:34:12 PM  
And there I was hoping to learn something about summoning the dead. Instead I get an article from The Hill. That's just sort of poking around in a graveyard.
 
2021-10-24 2:35:34 PM  
I watched the interview this morning.

She also said the Corporate handout bill needs to be passed by the 31st because another infrastructure spending laws ends on that date and all work will stop.

It seems Manchin and Sinema were just trying to run out the clock so everyone will feel pressured to pass the Republican bill before then.

I wouldn't put any faith in a deal coming since those operating in bad faith will wait until after the 31st.
 
2021-10-24 2:37:07 PM  

Avigdore: DoctorWhat: The Democrats have a real messaging problem. If they pass the reconciliation bill they're talking about (still a big if) along with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, they will have delivered $3-4T towards a combination of needed infrastructure and progressive priorities. When's the last time that happened? But it will still be viewed as a failure because it's far from what they were originally aiming for and publicly promoting.

I expect we'll hear a lot more about the $3-4T in spending come December when we're looking to borrow more money.


Of course the part passed through reconciliation needs to be paid for, so it isn't nearly that much added to the deficit.
 
2021-10-24 2:37:50 PM  
Once again: I love that our government's only two speeds is feckless pragmatic incrementalism, and off the rails fascism.
 
2021-10-24 2:40:15 PM  

sinner4ever: I watched the interview this morning.

She also said the Corporate handout bill needs to be passed by the 31st because another infrastructure spending laws ends on that date and all work will stop.

It seems Manchin and Sinema were just trying to run out the clock so everyone will feel pressured to pass the Republican bill before then.

I wouldn't put any faith in a deal coming since those operating in bad faith will wait until after the 31st.


This isn't a surprise. Which is why I say block both bills then put it on the line in the midterms.

For the remainder of the year hammer republicans over voting rights and passing the bill. At the expense of debt ceiling. Get Trump involved with some pot shots from the periphery to say the whole things rigged and not to vote.

Boom. Blue wave incoming.
 
2021-10-24 2:40:17 PM  

red5ish: And there I was hoping to learn something about summoning the dead. Instead I get an article from The Hill. That's just sort of poking around in a graveyard.


Remember to say "Klaatu barada nikto" before you pick up the Necronomicon.
 
2021-10-24 2:42:03 PM  
I've enjoyed her recurring role on The Walking Dead. Her old lady walker #3 role has been inspiring
 
2021-10-24 2:43:52 PM  

DoctorWhat: Of course the part passed through reconciliation needs to be paid for, so it isn't nearly that much added to the deficit.


Care to make an educated guess what portion of Americans realize that?
 
2021-10-24 2:44:12 PM  
Yay!  We've almost passed a bill that cuts out the most popular and campainable parts!  Programs that people could actually identify and point to when it's time to campaign. Can't wait for the midterm analysis trying to figure out why Democrats didn't connect with voters after passing the bill.
 
2021-10-24 2:44:15 PM  
I will give Pelosi credit on one thing.
Jake Tapper was pushing the conservative talking point that Progressives were blocking the infrastructure bill and she shut that right down.

Tapper still tried to get Pelosi to promise the the Corporate bill will pass if the Senate agrees to a blue print for a Reconciliation completely leaving out Manchin already voted for one and it didn't stop him from reneging on it.
 
2021-10-24 2:44:57 PM  
Why are we allowing octogenarians to lead this country? Can someone please lead them to the old people home before they complain the Golden Corral closed?
 
2021-10-24 2:45:39 PM  

Avigdore: DoctorWhat: Of course the part passed through reconciliation needs to be paid for, so it isn't nearly that much added to the deficit.

Care to make an educated guess what portion of Americans realize that?


Probably 20%
 
2021-10-24 2:46:38 PM  

sinner4ever: Manchin already voted for one and it didn't stop him from reneging on it.


Voting for the framework so that negotiations can begin as to what goes in the bill does not mean he's agreeing to vote for the end result. It never did. It never has. It never will.
 
2021-10-24 2:46:39 PM  

DoctorWhat: The Democrats have a real messaging problem. If they pass the reconciliation bill they're talking about (still a big if) along with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, they will have delivered $3-4T towards a combination of needed infrastructure and progressive priorities. When's the last time that happened? But it will still be viewed as a failure because it's far from what they were originally aiming for and publicly promoting.


Is it a problem of messaging if you have absolute f*cking morons conditioned by opportunistic pricks to not accept any message but the one the pricks give them, ever?

At some point, that little problem is going to have to be dealt with.  Harshly.
 
2021-10-24 2:47:52 PM  
Spoiler: were already 90% there the day the proposed legislation hit the floor for debate.

/spoiler spoiler: the remaining 10% is the important stuff that allows us to live in a society
 
2021-10-24 2:47:57 PM  

DoctorWhat: Avigdore: DoctorWhat: Of course the part passed through reconciliation needs to be paid for, so it isn't nearly that much added to the deficit.

Care to make an educated guess what portion of Americans realize that?

Probably 20%


Hmm..I probably should have framed it better. What portion of the independents, whose votes will determine the election outcome, realize that?
 
2021-10-24 2:48:51 PM  

Avigdore: sinner4ever: Manchin already voted for one and it didn't stop him from reneging on it.

Voting for the framework so that negotiations can begin as to what goes in the bill does not mean he's agreeing to vote for the end result. It never did. It never has. It never will.


That was the point I was making.
Tapper tried to play it off as a done deal if Manchin and Sinema voted for a framework so Progressives needed to vote for the Corporate bill.

We know what that means for Manchin.
He is dishonest and will kill it if it is only a framework.
 
2021-10-24 2:50:21 PM  
I see video but no picture. Is Subby still running Flash, or something?
 
2021-10-24 2:50:26 PM  

sinner4ever: Avigdore: sinner4ever: Manchin already voted for one and it didn't stop him from reneging on it.

Voting for the framework so that negotiations can begin as to what goes in the bill does not mean he's agreeing to vote for the end result. It never did. It never has. It never will.

That was the point I was making.


You can't renege on something you've never agreed to.
 
2021-10-24 2:52:17 PM  

Clutch2013: DoctorWhat: The Democrats have a real messaging problem. If they pass the reconciliation bill they're talking about (still a big if) along with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, they will have delivered $3-4T towards a combination of needed infrastructure and progressive priorities. When's the last time that happened? But it will still be viewed as a failure because it's far from what they were originally aiming for and publicly promoting.

Is it a problem of messaging if you have absolute f*cking morons conditioned by opportunistic pricks to not accept any message but the one the pricks give them, ever?

At some point, that little problem is going to have to be dealt with.  Harshly.


Yes. I include the media reporting in the messaging problem, along with the dems themselves. The Republicans have cultivated their own media ecosystem. The Democrats have not. so we have an overall national media dominated by a combination of batshiat conservative voices and BSAB voices.
 
2021-10-24 2:52:47 PM  
From a $6 trillion social spending program to a $3.5 trillion social spending program to a $1.5 trillion private company handout.

Negotiations are going exactly as expected, I see.
 
2021-10-24 2:53:00 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Why are we allowing octogenarians to lead this country? Can someone please lead them to the old people home before they complain the Golden Corral closed?


Hello Paul Ryan, nice to hear from you.
 
2021-10-24 2:53:30 PM  

sinner4ever: Corporate bill.


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2021-10-24 2:54:16 PM  

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2021-10-24 2:54:56 PM  

emtwo: From a $6 trillion social spending program to a $3.5 trillion social spending program to a $1.5 trillion private company handout.


You're conflating 2 different bills.
The $1.5T is the INVEST in America Act...the bipartisan bill that some are framing as a private industry handout.

The $6T->$3.5T->$1.75T is the Infrastructure of people or reconciliation bill.
 
2021-10-24 2:55:49 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Why are we allowing octogenarians to lead this country? Can someone please lead them to the old people home before they complain the Golden Corral closed?

Hello Paul Ryan, nice to hear from you.


I guess you're on #TeamOldPeople, then?

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2021-10-24 2:57:33 PM  
Anyone ever believed a woman can only be 90% pregnant? I sure don't work for 90% of my value. 90% of anything you need to get done is as good as 0% until it's done.
 
2021-10-24 2:57:51 PM  

Avigdore: DoctorWhat: Avigdore: DoctorWhat: Of course the part passed through reconciliation needs to be paid for, so it isn't nearly that much added to the deficit.

Care to make an educated guess what portion of Americans realize that?

Probably 20%

Hmm..I probably should have framed it better. What portion of the independents, whose votes will determine the election outcome, realize that?


In this day and age, "independents" are mostly defined as the ones not paying attention*. So that would be a very small percentage.

* Interestingly, progressives who aren't automatically Democrats don't seem to be called independents.
 
2021-10-24 2:57:55 PM  

Avigdore: emtwo: From a $6 trillion social spending program to a $3.5 trillion social spending program to a $1.5 trillion private company handout.

You're conflating 2 different bills.
The $1.5T is the INVEST in America Act...the bipartisan bill that some are framing as a private industry handout.

The $6T->$3.5T->$1.75T is the Infrastructure of people or reconciliation bill.


Still no tax increases on the rich back to any time before Trump and completely gutted anything that would help people. I'd say his description is accurate. I would say taking paid leave down to 4 weeks from 12 weeks is a very corporate friendly bill.
 
2021-10-24 2:58:01 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Bennie Crabtree: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Why are we allowing octogenarians to lead this country? Can someone please lead them to the old people home before they complain the Golden Corral closed?

Hello Paul Ryan, nice to hear from you.

I guess you're on #TeamOldPeople, then?

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There seem to be a shiatload of Nazis in US government under 40 years old.
 
2021-10-24 2:58:15 PM  
They're going to pass something. It's not going to be as much as we want. It's not going to be as much as we need.

It's still going to do an awful lot of good, and in a world where every storyline wasn't "DEMS IN DISARRAY?!?!?" the fact that they have one shot to do everything they want (because of reconciliation, the filibuster, and the lack of 50 votes to change that) and still managed to get something through would be seen as an incredible political accomplishment.

Instead, I bet there's a lot of froth.
 
2021-10-24 2:59:13 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Bennie Crabtree: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Why are we allowing octogenarians to lead this country? Can someone please lead them to the old people home before they complain the Golden Corral closed?

Hello Paul Ryan, nice to hear from you.

I guess you're on #TeamOldPeople, then?

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There seem to be a shiatload of Nazis in US government under 40 years old.


I was told Millenials and GenZ were the libby-est libs who ever libbed. What happened that so many Millenials became Nazis?
 
2021-10-24 3:00:46 PM  
Pelosi said there will be no expansion of Medicare at all. Manchin is especially against expanding it to vision and dental insurance.
 
2021-10-24 3:01:10 PM  

sinner4ever: I watched the interview this morning.

She also said the Corporate handout bill needs to be passed by the 31st because another infrastructure spending laws ends on that date and all work will stop.

It seems Manchin and Sinema were just trying to run out the clock so everyone will feel pressured to pass the Republican bill before then.

I wouldn't put any faith in a deal coming since those operating in bad faith will wait until after the 31st.


there is so much wv pork in the bif that it's a must pass for manchin.

he'll bend
 
2021-10-24 3:01:31 PM  

sinner4ever: Avigdore: emtwo: From a $6 trillion social spending program to a $3.5 trillion social spending program to a $1.5 trillion private company handout.

You're conflating 2 different bills.
The $1.5T is the INVEST in America Act...the bipartisan bill that some are framing as a private industry handout.

The $6T->$3.5T->$1.75T is the Infrastructure of people or reconciliation bill.

Still no tax increases on the rich back to any time before Trump and completely gutted anything that would help people. I'd say his description is accurate. I would say taking paid leave down up to 4 weeks from 12 0 weeks is not a very corporate friendly bill.


Changing tax rates wouldn't be framed as a private company handout.
Fixed the 2nd part for reality.
 
2021-10-24 3:02:07 PM  
Haven't we been "90% there" for months already? Even before all the concessions? So you gave up 50% of your goals and you're still at 90%... that's not a good thing, Nancy.
 
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