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(9 to 5 Mac)   It was twenty years ago today, Steve at Apple taught iPod to play   (9to5mac.com) divider line
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2021-10-24 11:57:36 AM  
Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.
 
2021-10-24 12:35:24 PM  
 
2021-10-24 2:05:02 PM  
And a dissociated society has crumbled ever since.
 
2021-10-24 2:12:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.


Innovators Dilemma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_I​nno​vator%27s_Dilemma
 
2021-10-24 2:13:56 PM  
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'I gave birth to the iPod'
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2021-10-24 2:14:51 PM  
 
2021-10-24 2:17:36 PM  
I should put a new battery in my 5th gen Nano just to remind myself exactly how much I hated running iTunes on Windows.
 
2021-10-24 3:36:34 PM  
My OG spinner click wheel iPod came to life after a battery replacement awhile ago. Rock it as my in car MP3 player. Works just fine.
 
2021-10-24 3:53:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.


As far as I can tell, Steve Jobs was basically a tech A&R man.  He'd see a hit, and tell his labs to make it.  Or if they got something right, work on that till it was ready, then ship it.  Woz told the story of the start of their partner ship with Woz showing him the "blue box" (for stealing phone calls) and Jobs saying "we should sell this".

For all the grief that Xerox  gets over letting all the "tech get away" from PARC, the real story goes closer to this:

1973 Xerox makes Alto: cost $32k (>$100k in 2020 money.  I think my parents bought a house for $32k, last sold for $450k).  Aside from the GUI, it couldn't have had more capabilities than an Apple 2.  Nobody bought it, nobody could afford it.  It was cheaper to pay a secretary to use a typewriter.

Sometime before 1978, Jobs pays to tour PARC and buys the rights to build what he sees.  Apple starts Lisa

1983 Lisa ships at $10k.  Fails hard.
1984 Apple strips down the Lisa to form a Macintosh.  May have also seriously upgraded the CPU.  10 years after the Alto debut, GUIs finally sell.
1985 Jobs kicked out and tries his hand at yet another GUI-based computer (NeXT)
1985 Microsoft releases Apple/Xerox ripoff windows 1.0  It does nothing (except likely crash) and goes nowhere
1990 Jobs launched NeXT computer, another $10k computer, same result as Lisa
1990 Microsoft launches windows 3.0.  And on the third try, they finally get some traction and begin their path to monopoly.

/note that while NeXT computer may have died, the OS is the current OSX (or whatever runs macs)
//the other option was obviously better (Be OS), but history has shown that they needed Jobs (and he came with NeXTStep)
///I'm guessing for his A&R skills.  His reality distortion had nothing on Microsoft marketing [at least under Bill], and his management methods couldn't have helped.  Maybe it was his NeXT team that launched them to the stars, but it is too late and the cult of Jobs is entrenched.
 
2021-10-24 3:55:28 PM  
On one hand, they were super easy to use, which caused a lot of people to buy an MP3 player that otherwise wouldn't have, which in turn did have a measurable effect on the transition to digital music...

...but holy shiat did those things break easily. I was working in a Best Buy, and we basically had two piles of shiat that had to be sent away for repair, the iPod pile and the Everything Else pile.
 
2021-10-24 4:12:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.


And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/a​p​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit
 
2021-10-24 4:37:46 PM  
My diamond rio would like a word
 
2021-10-24 8:20:31 PM  

OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit


It's funny that the articles never say what those patents are. Probably something like, "We took the existing practice of navigating hierarchically through files and applied it to the existing product of a portable music player. Patent please!" Exactly the type of patent that absolutely stifles the pace of real innovation.
 
2021-10-24 9:06:51 PM  

Enigmamf: OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit

It's funny that the articles never say what those patents are. Probably something like, "We took the existing practice of navigating hierarchically through files and applied it to the existing product of a portable music player. Patent please!" Exactly the type of patent that absolutely stifles the pace of real innovation.


I'm sure you could look it up since that type of info is public record. Sincerely doubt they'd pay $100mln to beat a generic patent. Plus since creative was at the forefront of mp3 players they probably detailed things pretty well to protect themselves.
 
2021-10-25 12:54:42 AM  

OhioUGrad: Enigmamf: OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit

It's funny that the articles never say what those patents are. Probably something like, "We took the existing practice of navigating hierarchically through files and applied it to the existing product of a portable music player. Patent please!" Exactly the type of patent that absolutely stifles the pace of real innovation.

I'm sure you could look it up since that type of info is public record. Sincerely doubt they'd pay $100mln to beat a generic patent. Plus since creative was at the forefront of mp3 players they probably detailed things pretty well to protect themselves.


And by "to protect themselves", I'm sure you mean, to try to establish a monopoly using obvious iterations of existing technologies.
 
2021-10-25 2:54:57 AM  

OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit


From TFA: "A settlement doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong. In general it's just the cheapest way to get on with life," Kroll said. "You do what's best at the time. I'm sure that's what Apple was thinking."

But don't let the facts get in your way. Your kind never do.
 
2021-10-25 9:32:27 AM  

Enigmamf: OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit

It's funny that the articles never say what those patents are. Probably something like, "We took the existing practice of navigating hierarchically through files and applied it to the existing product of a portable music player. Patent please!" Exactly the type of patent that absolutely stifles the pace of real innovation.


Rounded corners
 
2021-10-25 9:45:50 AM  

OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit


I loved my creative Zen
 
2021-10-25 12:04:30 PM  

mjbok: Enigmamf: OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit

It's funny that the articles never say what those patents are. Probably something like, "We took the existing practice of navigating hierarchically through files and applied it to the existing product of a portable music player. Patent please!" Exactly the type of patent that absolutely stifles the pace of real innovation.

Rounded corners


That was one element of a design patent - not a utility patent. Visual identity doesn't affect a competitor's ability to innovate. I'm talking about actual technology that affects how the product works, not visual imitation.

If you think it's OK to sell knock-offs, well, you'll already get what your cheapness deserves.
 
2021-10-25 12:08:00 PM  

Fano: OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit

I loved my creative Zen


I still have mine. 30GB and still works!

bingethinker: OhioUGrad: Marcus Aurelius: Another way of putting it is that 20 years ago, Apple acquired SoundJam MP.

Apple does not invent jack or shiat.  They steal what's not nailed down.

And stole from CreativeLabs

http://preserve.mactech.com/content/ap​ple-pays-creative-100-million-ipod-rel​ated-lawsuit

From TFA: "A settlement doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong. In general it's just the cheapest way to get on with life," Kroll said. "You do what's best at the time. I'm sure that's what Apple was thinking."

But don't let the facts get in your way. Your kind never do.


Sorry that your butthurt, fanboy, but your favorite cult does NOT invent anything and never has and never will. Might want to look up what "in general" means, and it's also based on OPINION, which you may also want to look up.
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2021-10-25 12:26:49 PM  

OhioUGrad: Sorry that your butthurt, fanboy, but your favorite cult does NOT invent anything and never has and never will. Might want to look up what "in general" means, and it's also based on OPINION, which you may also want to look up.
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Whereas Creative demonstrated unbridled creativity in their patent for letting you select a genre of music to play on a portable player.

* Not for inventing MP3 metadata - that was in the original format specification

* Not for inventing the concept of letting you play music by the genre in that metadata - that was prior art, existing in every desktop and open-source player.

But because they did it on a portable player, and had a friendly judge, suddenly they get to make money off of someone else's product. Yeah, real innovative there.

An earlier press release indicates that one of their first lawsuits against Apple was for using a hard drive in the ipod (instead of flash memory). They literally claimed that they invented using an off-the-shelf product designed for portable devices, in a portable device.
 
2021-10-25 12:44:49 PM  

Enigmamf: OhioUGrad: Sorry that your butthurt, fanboy, but your favorite cult does NOT invent anything and never has and never will. Might want to look up what "in general" means, and it's also based on OPINION, which you may also want to look up.
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Whereas Creative demonstrated unbridled creativity in their patent for letting you select a genre of music to play on a portable player.

* Not for inventing MP3 metadata - that was in the original format specification

* Not for inventing the concept of letting you play music by the genre in that metadata - that was prior art, existing in every desktop and open-source player.

But because they did it on a portable player, and had a friendly judge, suddenly they get to make money off of someone else's product. Yeah, real innovative there.

An earlier press release indicates that one of their first lawsuits against Apple was for using a hard drive in the ipod (instead of flash memory). They literally claimed that they invented using an off-the-shelf product designed for portable devices, in a portable device.


Curious if there are any instances of a hard drive being used in a handheld portable device before their MP3 players. Quick Google says Palm (PDAs) had internal memory, but I didn't dig deep enough to see if they actually incorporated a physical HD or used flash.

If they filed a patent and were the first to do something (or first to patent it) they have a right to sue, although, somethings should not be patented or allowed to be patented.
 
2021-10-25 8:16:13 PM  
Wasn't the real genius the itunes store that allowed one to easily buy and transfer music to the ipod
 
2021-10-25 8:48:20 PM  

Enigmamf: If you think it's OK to sell knock-offs, well, you'll already get what your cheapness deserves.


Apple went after Samsung on this.  That was not a knock-off.  That was another high level competitor and the suit was the for the express purpose of stifling competition.

Apple hasn't gone after the super cheap knock-offs, they have gone after the potential serious competitors.
 
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