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(Mother Jones)   Wage theft is hitting the restaurant industry even harder during the pandemic   (motherjones.com) divider line
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2021-10-24 4:17:11 AM  
No one ever goes to jail for wage theft, it's the best kind of theft.  Worst case scenario is you have to give back what you stole.
 
2021-10-24 4:37:47 AM  
Sadly much of this is directed to Latino employees who will be too scared to report to the police
 
2021-10-24 8:20:39 AM  
I've been assured employers deserve every penny of their employees' labor. Then maybe if they're lucky, the employee will get something back from their employer.
 
2021-10-24 9:11:53 AM  
Still?

I was a busboy once. My boss tried to stiff me on my pay. My mother refused to allow that crap and took him to task.

Bottom line - have a great mother. Also don't work at a shiatty place if you can help it.
 
2021-10-24 9:45:18 AM  

EvilEgg: No one ever goes to jail for wage theft, it's the best kind of theft.  Worst case scenario is you have to give back what you stole.


Right. This problem could be solved in a matter of weeks by making wage theft a criminal offense punishable by jail time and then enthusiastically and zealously prosecuting a dozen or so thieves with accompanying laws giving treble damages + legal fees for civil judgements.

Instead "ItS aCiViL mAtTeR" in a lot of places, and even where there are theoretically criminal laws with teeth prosecutors assign it the lowest possible priority for enforcement.
 
2021-10-24 9:59:25 AM  
Steal $50 from a store, you go to jail. If that store steals $5,000 from it's employees, they usually only have to pay $4,000 back to the employees because the employees didn't keep track of their time or the store will argue that it would hurt them to pay the full amount.
 
2021-10-24 10:09:00 AM  
I'm super happy that people are finally acknowledging this is real thing and it's bad. I was tired of the farking regurgitated capitalist bullshiat every media spews.
 
2021-10-24 10:35:05 AM  
Legitimate question: why don't more sit-down restaurants take on a model of "let's pay a fair wage and make it clear customers aren't supposed to tip"?  If nothing else than as an experiment?  Is it the servers who won't take jobs under a model where 100% of their pay is now government-reported income?  Or is it the restauranteurs who want to make it seem like their prices are as low as possible, even though the money out of the customer's pocket is the same at the end?  The model of no tips for food service clearly works in fast food and fast casual restaurants, why don't more sit-downs take the plunge?
 
2021-10-24 10:40:17 AM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: Legitimate question: why don't more sit-down restaurants take on a model of "let's pay a fair wage and make it clear customers aren't supposed to tip"?  If nothing else than as an experiment?  Is it the servers who won't take jobs under a model where 100% of their pay is now government-reported income?  Or is it the restauranteurs who want to make it seem like their prices are as low as possible, even though the money out of the customer's pocket is the same at the end?  The model of no tips for food service clearly works in fast food and fast casual restaurants, why don't more sit-downs take the plunge?


It's been tried a couple of times and often fails due to some combination of:

1. Sticker shock / perceived overpricing
2. Customers thinking the servers aren't working as hard if they're not being tipped.
3. A certain section of the customer base really like the idea they have power over how much their server earns
 
2021-10-24 10:54:13 AM  
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2021-10-24 10:55:44 AM  

gorauma: I'm super happy that people are finally acknowledging this is real thing and it's bad. I was tired of the farking regurgitated capitalist bullshiat every media spews.


Big business owned media

They act like company owners shiat doesnt stink.
 
2021-10-24 10:57:11 AM  

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Socislistssd!!
 
2021-10-24 11:07:55 AM  
People just don't want to work.

for those assholes
 
2021-10-24 11:13:45 AM  
Wage theft is an uncomfortable subject for some Farkers - note that there are already attempts to change the subject.
I wonder what their personal incentives are for avoiding this topic?
 
2021-10-24 11:26:46 AM  

edmo: People just don't want to work.

for those assholes


But does anyone really want to work those type of jobs, or is it just better than starving?
 
2021-10-24 11:29:44 AM  

Target Builder: Dr. Nick Riviera: Legitimate question: why don't more sit-down restaurants take on a model of "let's pay a fair wage and make it clear customers aren't supposed to tip"?  If nothing else than as an experiment?  Is it the servers who won't take jobs under a model where 100% of their pay is now government-reported income?  Or is it the restauranteurs who want to make it seem like their prices are as low as possible, even though the money out of the customer's pocket is the same at the end?  The model of no tips for food service clearly works in fast food and fast casual restaurants, why don't more sit-downs take the plunge?

It's been tried a couple of times and often fails due to some combination of:

1. Sticker shock / perceived overpricing
2. Customers thinking the servers aren't working as hard if they're not being tipped.
3. A certain section of the customer base really like the idea they have power over how much their server earns


Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.  The tipped model is a mix of hourly wages and pay for performance... if I were a very efficient, effective server and usually made out well on tips, and I was told I was going to be paid the same as Slow Craig who whines about not making minimum even with tips, I'd book the fark out of there the moment they suggested that! (Ditto for pooled tips)

Basically... the un-tipped model can't survive if it's next to restaurants that have the tips, because it's a talent drain.  The more talented servers will want the opportunity to earn more, while the less talented will want the guarantees of the stable earnings.  Basically, you end up with East and West Berlin.
 
DVD
2021-10-24 11:31:33 AM  

rustypouch: edmo: People just don't want to work.

for those assholes

But does anyone really want to work those type of jobs, or is it just better than starving?


___________________________________

Faux News:  "Not enough poors are starving, thus depriving thrifty job creators of vital workers!"
 
2021-10-24 11:53:25 AM  
Some years ago, I was a contractor on a wage audit for a regional Fast-Casual chain. They had an interesting skimming scheme with credit card tips. They would always show the floor personnel making $8-9 an hour and then pocket the rest. I never did hear how much restitution had to be paid, but the fines and back taxes were well into 6 digits.
 
2021-10-24 11:55:56 AM  

EvilEgg: No one ever goes to jail for wage theft, it's the best kind of theft.  Worst case scenario is you have to give back what you stole.


Some.
They have to give back 'some' of what they stole, not all.
 
DVD
2021-10-24 12:03:35 PM  

Another Government Employee: Some years ago, I was a contractor on a wage audit for a regional Fast-Casual chain. They had an interesting skimming scheme with credit card tips. They would always show the floor personnel making $8-9 an hour and then pocket the rest. I never did hear how much restitution had to be paid, but the fines and back taxes were well into 6 digits.


_____________________________________

Well into 6 digits, so between $999,999 and 100,000?  Did that take back much of what was stolen, or did the chain still come out ahead on that particular crime?
 
2021-10-24 12:24:24 PM  

Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.


I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.

Tipping is so ingrained and standard - is there any significant portion of the population out there who are seriously adjusting their tips between good and excellent service? If someone tips 20% as "standard" I don't see them upping it to 25% because the food got brought to them with a bigger smile. If someone tips 10% as standard I don't see them doubling that for any particular reason. Similarly folks who don't tip at all.

The main exception I'm aware of are dudes who tip hot waitresses more as some form of flirting/power thing, which comes solidly under Item 3, but that's a bit of a special case that's not really related to quality of service.
 
2021-10-24 12:31:09 PM  

jso2897: Wage theft is an uncomfortable subject for some Farkers - note that there are already attempts to change the subject.
I wonder what their personal incentives are for avoiding this topic?


Probably the topic is boring because it doesn't apply to most of us in the business tab, likely because we haven't worked hourly wage service jobs in 20 years minimum.

My kids do though... incidentally, my teenage daughter had an issue where she picked up a shift from someone else, and found at paytime that those hours had been removed. 

I asked if she wanted me to get involved (she's a minor), but she wanted to handle it first.  She confronted the boss, who said "I didn't approve those hours."  She got them added back in to the subsequent check and immediately put in her notice.  She told her straight up that she didn't feel comfortable working for a business that messed with hours already in the time clock.

There are too many open jobs right now to put up with shenanigans in a $12/hour nothing job. She advocated for herself, and learned on her own how to push back and not settle. Proud of her!
 
2021-10-24 12:34:02 PM  

Izunbacol: Target Builder: Dr. Nick Riviera: Legitimate question: why don't more sit-down restaurants take on a model of "let's pay a fair wage and make it clear customers aren't supposed to tip"?  If nothing else than as an experiment?  Is it the servers who won't take jobs under a model where 100% of their pay is now government-reported income?  Or is it the restauranteurs who want to make it seem like their prices are as low as possible, even though the money out of the customer's pocket is the same at the end?  The model of no tips for food service clearly works in fast food and fast casual restaurants, why don't more sit-downs take the plunge?

It's been tried a couple of times and often fails due to some combination of:

1. Sticker shock / perceived overpricing
2. Customers thinking the servers aren't working as hard if they're not being tipped.
3. A certain section of the customer base really like the idea they have power over how much their server earns

Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.  The tipped model is a mix of hourly wages and pay for performance... if I were a very efficient, effective server and usually made out well on tips, and I was told I was going to be paid the same as Slow Craig who whines about not making minimum even with tips, I'd book the fark out of there the moment they suggested that! (Ditto for pooled tips)

Basically... the un-tipped model can't survive if it's next to restaurants that have the tips, because it's a talent drain.  The more talented servers will want the opportunity to earn more, while the less talented will want the guarantees of the stable earnings.  Basically, you end up with East and West Berlin.


It's a vicious cycle of win more/lose more the manager gets to play.

You put your best server on the friday/saturday/sunday rotation. They pull in $300 those days. Your less talented staff gets stuck on shiat schedule, and make their $50.

How exactly do you expect the person who can't afford rent to put forth some decent effort*wink*. The top server doesn't want to live in abject poverty. They won't slack on the premo shifts. So you east/west Berlin already exists. The staff already fight eachother in vicious backstabbing, bribery, and blackmail.

I seent it. I never want to go back to that hell hole lifestyle ever again. You think quarterbacks making millions on football are divas? Nothing on waitstaff.
 
2021-10-24 12:34:43 PM  

Target Builder: Dr. Nick Riviera: Legitimate question: why don't more sit-down restaurants take on a model of "let's pay a fair wage and make it clear customers aren't supposed to tip"?  If nothing else than as an experiment?  Is it the servers who won't take jobs under a model where 100% of their pay is now government-reported income?  Or is it the restauranteurs who want to make it seem like their prices are as low as possible, even though the money out of the customer's pocket is the same at the end?  The model of no tips for food service clearly works in fast food and fast casual restaurants, why don't more sit-downs take the plunge?

It's been tried a couple of times and often fails due to some combination of:

1. Sticker shock / perceived overpricing
2. Customers thinking the servers aren't working as hard if they're not being tipped.
3. A certain section of the customer base really like the idea they have power over how much their server earns


Nowadays with credit cards this isn't as relevant as it used to be in a cash only society, but

Honor system of reporting as little as possible means lower payroll taxes and withholding. That saves employer a ton and makes employee happier.

Of course this screws their social security payouts at retirement, but nobody thinks that far advance.
 
2021-10-24 12:39:48 PM  

Target Builder: Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.

I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.

Tipping is so ingrained and standard - is there any significant portion of the population out there who are seriously adjusting their tips between good and excellent service? If someone tips 20% as "standard" I don't see them upping it to 25% because the food got brought to them with a bigger smile. If someone tips 10% as standard I don't see them doubling that for any particular reason. Similarly folks who don't tip at all.

The main exception I'm aware of are dudes who tip hot waitresses more as some form of flirting/power thing, which comes solidly under Item 3, but that's a bit of a special case that's not really related to quality of service.


Those three items are wholly from the point of view of the customer.  The servers aren't chained to the restaurant - the ones who can make more from tips will go to a tipped restaurant.  Servers who are very good at what they do will try to climb to better restaurants - a tipped waiter at a Michelin Star restaurant is doing far better than at the Waffle House, but they also have much higher performance expectations.

The ones who can't will stick with the tip-less place.
 
2021-10-24 12:45:34 PM  

Target Builder: Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.

I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.

Tipping is so ingrained and standard - is there any significant portion of the population out there who are seriously adjusting their tips between good and excellent service? If someone tips 20% as "standard" I don't see them upping it to 25% because the food got brought to them with a bigger smile. If someone tips 10% as standard I don't see them doubling that for any particular reason. Similarly folks who don't tip at all.



I do.  Recommend something I like and make sure my glass is never empty and I add a little more.  Have me sitting there waiting for you to take my order and I take a little off.  I also adjust for the length of time I'm at the table.  I'm sure I'm not the only one that does that.
 
2021-10-24 1:24:14 PM  

Target Builder: Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.

I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.


I think a lot of that depends on the type of restaurant.   Cracker Barrel, incredibly unlikely.  Ruth Chris Steak House, very possible.
 
2021-10-24 1:35:11 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Of course this screws their social security payouts at retirement, but nobody thinks that far advance.


lol what's retirement
 
2021-10-24 1:37:04 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Target Builder: Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.

I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.

Tipping is so ingrained and standard - is there any significant portion of the population out there who are seriously adjusting their tips between good and excellent service? If someone tips 20% as "standard" I don't see them upping it to 25% because the food got brought to them with a bigger smile. If someone tips 10% as standard I don't see them doubling that for any particular reason. Similarly folks who don't tip at all.


I do.  Recommend something I like and make sure my glass is never empty and I add a little more.  Have me sitting there waiting for you to take my order and I take a little off.  I also adjust for the length of time I'm at the table.  I'm sure I'm not the only one that does that.


Yup. Although for me it's more of a feeling. If I'm feeling like the server is there when I need them and not when I don't then their tip goes up. I also take into account how busy it is and if they're short staff. Really good servers who are ON IT get really great tips from me. But they aren't working at Applebees, the really good ones graduate to fine dining fairly quickly.
 
2021-10-24 1:43:06 PM  

DVD: Another Government Employee: Some years ago, I was a contractor on a wage audit for a regional Fast-Casual chain. They had an interesting skimming scheme with credit card tips. They would always show the floor personnel making $8-9 an hour and then pocket the rest. I never did hear how much restitution had to be paid, but the fines and back taxes were well into 6 digits.

_____________________________________

Well into 6 digits, so between $999,999 and 100,000?  Did that take back much of what was stolen, or did the chain still come out ahead on that particular crime?


The overall amount stolen was around $3 Million, but when I left the project that actual restitution was still under negotiation. My experience says they probably had to pay back about 40% of the amount since former employees wouldn't have been eligible. The chain also had to agree to be monitored for a while to keep from repeating the scheme.

/ They probably came up with something else
 
2021-10-24 1:46:11 PM  

Izunbacol: jso2897: Wage theft is an uncomfortable subject for some Farkers - note that there are already attempts to change the subject.
I wonder what their personal incentives are for avoiding this topic?

Probably the topic is boring because it doesn't apply to most of us in the business tab, likely because we haven't worked hourly wage service jobs in 20 years minimum.

My kids do though... incidentally, my teenage daughter had an issue where she picked up a shift from someone else, and found at paytime that those hours had been removed. 

I asked if she wanted me to get involved (she's a minor), but she wanted to handle it first.  She confronted the boss, who said "I didn't approve those hours."  She got them added back in to the subsequent check and immediately put in her notice.  She told her straight up that she didn't feel comfortable working for a business that messed with hours already in the time clock.

There are too many open jobs right now to put up with shenanigans in a $12/hour nothing job. She advocated for herself, and learned on her own how to push back and not settle. Proud of her!


Smart girl.
 
2021-10-24 1:50:27 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Target Builder: Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.

I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.

Tipping is so ingrained and standard - is there any significant portion of the population out there who are seriously adjusting their tips between good and excellent service? If someone tips 20% as "standard" I don't see them upping it to 25% because the food got brought to them with a bigger smile. If someone tips 10% as standard I don't see them doubling that for any particular reason. Similarly folks who don't tip at all.


I do.  Recommend something I like and make sure my glass is never empty and I add a little more.  Have me sitting there waiting for you to take my order and I take a little off.  I also adjust for the length of time I'm at the table.  I'm sure I'm not the only one that does that.


So you are not the only asshole.
 
2021-10-24 3:10:13 PM  
To anyone who's worked in the industry this is ancient news.
 
2021-10-24 3:45:51 PM  

bigdog1960: Jeebus Saves: Target Builder: Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.

I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.

Tipping is so ingrained and standard - is there any significant portion of the population out there who are seriously adjusting their tips between good and excellent service? If someone tips 20% as "standard" I don't see them upping it to 25% because the food got brought to them with a bigger smile. If someone tips 10% as standard I don't see them doubling that for any particular reason. Similarly folks who don't tip at all.


I do.  Recommend something I like and make sure my glass is never empty and I add a little more.  Have me sitting there waiting for you to take my order and I take a little off.  I also adjust for the length of time I'm at the table.  I'm sure I'm not the only one that does that.

So you are not the only asshole.


What the hell are you talking about?  I leave a fair tip based on the service I'm given.  And it's still probably more than most people leave.
 
2021-10-24 7:15:00 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Target Builder: Izunbacol: Also - servers who are very good at what they do don't want to work in that environment.  They can easily beat minimum wages, and usually beat "living" wages.

I see this put out but am skeptical it's not Item 2 rebranded.

Tipping is so ingrained and standard - is there any significant portion of the population out there who are seriously adjusting their tips between good and excellent service? If someone tips 20% as "standard" I don't see them upping it to 25% because the food got brought to them with a bigger smile. If someone tips 10% as standard I don't see them doubling that for any particular reason. Similarly folks who don't tip at all.


I do.  Recommend something I like and make sure my glass is never empty and I add a little more.  Have me sitting there waiting for you to take my order and I take a little off.  I also adjust for the length of time I'm at the table.  I'm sure I'm not the only one that does that.


Yeah... that's just "what normal people do"  Take the total at the end, double it, divide by 10, that's the 20%.  If it's great service, add $5 or so to that.  An extra $5 tip on a $100 bill takes it from 20 to 25%, so if the bill is less, that's going way over 25%. It's not like I'm gonna miss that $5.  It would have to be pretty bad to go below 20%, and really, at that point, you should be talking to the manager so they can fix the issue.
 
2021-10-24 8:25:05 PM  
It took a pandemic and a Bribe for the upcoming election but the Ontario Government is actually "doing something" about the Legal Slave Labour Market.
Not just Foreign workers but all Temp Agencies that steal wages from the workers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.​c​a/amp/1.6213249
 
2021-10-24 11:19:16 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: You put your best server on the friday/saturday/sunday rotation. They pull in $300 those days. Your less talented staff gets stuck on shiat schedule, and make their $50.


Best == girl he thinks he has a chance with?
 
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