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(US Naval Institute)   Three-masted sailing ship and high-speed power boat involved in 6 ton cocaine bust. Since this is Fark, you should be able to guess who caught who   (news.usni.org) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-10-23 4:39:52 PM  
Does it have period armament to match?  Heave to, smugglers, or we'll fire a load of grapeshot... 50 feet over your heads.  Sailors, you have to time your shot to match the rolling of our ship.  Please wait a minute, narco traffickers, we're having technical difficulties but we WILL destroy you eventually.
 
2021-10-23 6:31:44 PM  
This reminds me of a fun fact.

The first speeding ticket in the UK went to a man who was driving four times the speed limit. The speed limit was two miles per hour and he was driving a reckless eight miles per hour.

He was caught and ticked by a policeman on a bicycle.
 
2021-10-23 6:35:34 PM  
O C E A N S    A R E   N O W    B A T T L E F I E L D S
 
2021-10-23 8:20:09 PM  
dramático accidente del buque escuela Cisne Branco en Guayaquil ecuador.
Youtube lY3M2VDf7mY

Ecuador just had to rub salt in Brazil's wound, eh?
 
2021-10-23 8:22:16 PM  
I damn near read this as a three-busted sailing ship...
 
2021-10-23 8:23:25 PM  
So, the powerboat was broke down, then?
 
2021-10-23 8:23:51 PM  
"Heave to or we'll fire a broadside into you!"
 
2021-10-23 8:24:27 PM  
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2021-10-23 8:31:03 PM  
I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.
 
2021-10-23 8:32:27 PM  
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2021-10-23 8:32:40 PM  
Came here for a math problem, leaving disappointed.
 
2021-10-23 8:33:53 PM  
It wasn't a speed boat.
 
2021-10-23 8:35:22 PM  

Zik-Zak: I damn near read this as a three-busted sailing ship...


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2021-10-23 8:35:51 PM  
Enchanter, you are a US flag ship and we are going to board you. Heave to now.
/DNRTFA
 
2021-10-23 8:39:13 PM  
best pirate i've ever seen
Youtube Ld57wNXddGU
 
2021-10-23 8:40:28 PM  

Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.


Where did you hear that nonsense?

The mpg sweet spot is on plane, not ploughing. It's usually around the lowest rpm that keeps the boat planed up.
 
2021-10-23 8:43:36 PM  
Rent a high-speed power goat for your large clearing operations.
 
2021-10-23 8:43:57 PM  
Should have invoked the old ways and keel hauled the traffickers like the pirates they are.  After all, they were not running a national flag on their vessel and in international waters.  It is only fitting if you get yourself captured by a naval training vessel.
 
2021-10-23 8:43:59 PM  

ToughActinProlactin: Zik-Zak: I damn near read this as a three-busted sailing ship...

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2021-10-23 8:44:12 PM  

Smackledorfer: Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.

Where did you hear that nonsense?

The mpg sweet spot is on plane, not ploughing. It's usually around the lowest rpm that keeps the boat planed up.


Are you telling me Jesus Christ was inefficient?
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2021-10-23 8:46:01 PM  
Ship fails without dudes in puffy shirts on it.

Seriously sweet boat tho. Gorgeous!
 
2021-10-23 8:48:46 PM  

Porous Horace: Rent a high-speed power goat for your large clearing operations.


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2021-10-23 8:50:18 PM  
Drug smugglers were nailed that day by a three-masted ship, a three-masted ship.
 
2021-10-23 8:53:06 PM  

Daedalus27: Should have invoked the old ways and keel hauled the traffickers like the pirates they are.  After all, they were not running a national flag on their vessel and in international waters.  It is only fitting if you get yourself captured by a naval training vessel.


Is it a requirement for all vessels at sea to carry some nations flag? Civilians can't just sail around without proclaiming some nationality?
 
2021-10-23 8:54:08 PM  
Someone forgot to read this book:
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2021-10-23 8:55:55 PM  
this one is a bit more interesting of a Coast Guard vid

/doesn't look like the guys that jump on top are wearing life vests
 
2021-10-23 8:57:12 PM  
Did they try telling the captain that they were the lesser of two weevils?
 
2021-10-23 8:58:11 PM  
That should keep the drugs out of one city for one day
 
2021-10-23 9:01:58 PM  

Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.


If it's heavily laden, into the submarine range, then this is exactly right.  The thing is barely making way.
 
2021-10-23 9:02:47 PM  

Smackledorfer: Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.

Where did you hear that nonsense?

The mpg sweet spot is on plane, not ploughing. It's usually around the lowest rpm that keeps the boat planed up.


Hulls that are meant to plane are horribly inefficient at any speed really. The adage is referring to a planing boat vs a displacement vessel that has a non-submerged transom.
 
2021-10-23 9:05:26 PM  
Only pirate that boat is catching is Jack Sparrow
 
2021-10-23 9:08:57 PM  

Medic Zero: Daedalus27: Should have invoked the old ways and keel hauled the traffickers like the pirates they are.  After all, they were not running a national flag on their vessel and in international waters.  It is only fitting if you get yourself captured by a naval training vessel.

Is it a requirement for all vessels at sea to carry some nations flag? Civilians can't just sail around without proclaiming some nationality?


It's somewhat complex, but in general, any vessel that operates internationally / crosses national borders is required by international law to be registered / "have a flag."
 
2021-10-23 9:13:25 PM  

Nosatril: Smackledorfer: Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.

Where did you hear that nonsense?

The mpg sweet spot is on plane, not ploughing. It's usually around the lowest rpm that keeps the boat planed up.

Hulls that are meant to plane are horribly inefficient at any speed really. The adage is referring to a planing boat vs a displacement vessel that has a non-submerged transom.


There is no such adage for a v-hull powerboat to avoid riding on plane out of sight of land for the purpose of fuel efficiency.
 
2021-10-23 9:19:20 PM  
I will say this: depending on hull design the boat in question may not be able plane up at all, in which case this ridiculous adage still doesn't apply. Moreover, their sweet spot ceases to be relevant when getting away is the goal.

They got caught because the sailboat has a fast boat with it.
 
2021-10-23 9:26:41 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: So, the powerboat was broke down, then?


It wasn't a powerboat, submitter lied in the headline. Imagine that.

That thing would be very slow due most of its mass being under water, and having common finishing boat engines, which aren't made for speedboats.
 
2021-10-23 9:28:02 PM  

Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.


What power vessel?

Yeah its Fark, but if you're curious, why don't you read TFA?
 
2021-10-23 10:07:23 PM  
This is how Ecuador sneakily wins the Americas cup
 
2021-10-23 10:19:53 PM  

drewbob: Came here for a math problem, leaving disappointed.


Oh I dunno. Article says between 1.5 and 6 ton. Quite a problem in my book.
 
2021-10-23 10:26:56 PM  
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2021-10-23 11:15:51 PM  

BigNumber12: ... in general, any vessel that operates internationally / crosses national borders is required by international law to be registered / "have a flag."


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2021-10-24 12:00:29 AM  
Columbia has been going after the drug cartels recently, although this guy doesn't look like a drug lord more like medium level fart demon or something.

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/why are they all looking in different directions?
 
2021-10-24 7:57:43 AM  

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/why are they all looking in different directions?


It's an album cover.  Remember albums?
 
2021-10-24 9:11:25 AM  

Random Celebrity Insult Generator: this one is a bit more interesting of a Coast Guard vid

/doesn't look like the guys that jump on top are wearing life vests


I could not tell from the video but it's possible they use a co2 inflatable vest like most serious fisherman.
 
2021-10-24 9:16:01 AM  

Smackledorfer: Nosatril: Smackledorfer: Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.

Where did you hear that nonsense?

The mpg sweet spot is on plane, not ploughing. It's usually around the lowest rpm that keeps the boat planed up.

Hulls that are meant to plane are horribly inefficient at any speed really. The adage is referring to a planing boat vs a displacement vessel that has a non-submerged transom.

There is no such adage for a v-hull powerboat to avoid riding on plane out of sight of land for the purpose of fuel efficiency.


Pretty sure I read it in Low Resistence Boats by Thomas Firth Jones. Can't find my copy at the moment. He also quoted a figure for V hulls that they needed 1 horsepower per 25lbs of weight to get on a plane vs flat bottom boats which could do so with about half the power. That's why the earliest planing powerboats were flat bottomed and looked like the Phil Bolger Sneakeasy. Most everything is V bottom now as it rides better, and power is plentiful.

I'm sure the info is out of date, but the general premise is still sound. Long range vessels are all of displacement variety.
 
2021-10-24 12:54:23 PM  

Nosatril: Smackledorfer: Nosatril: Smackledorfer: Nosatril: I didn't see it specified anywhere. The whole thing is curious to me. The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient. Without planing, a power vessel isn't necessarily faster than a sailing monohull.

Where did you hear that nonsense?

The mpg sweet spot is on plane, not ploughing. It's usually around the lowest rpm that keeps the boat planed up.

Hulls that are meant to plane are horribly inefficient at any speed really. The adage is referring to a planing boat vs a displacement vessel that has a non-submerged transom.

There is no such adage for a v-hull powerboat to avoid riding on plane out of sight of land for the purpose of fuel efficiency.

Pretty sure I read it in Low Resistence Boats by Thomas Firth Jones. Can't find my copy at the moment. He also quoted a figure for V hulls that they needed 1 horsepower per 25lbs of weight to get on a plane vs flat bottom boats which could do so with about half the power. That's why the earliest planing powerboats were flat bottomed and looked like the Phil Bolger Sneakeasy. Most everything is V bottom now as it rides better, and power is plentiful.

I'm sure the info is out of date, but the general premise is still sound. Long range vessels are all of displacement variety.


I'm not arguing the efficiency of one hull vs another for task X.

The statement you made was that a boat that is capable of getting up on plane should, by conventional wisdom, not operate on plane when out of sight of land, because that vessel will be less efficient when on plane.

That statement is completely false. A vessel that can plane up is at its most efficient when planed up: it is pushing less water and running at a better spot for the engines.

We are talking about a boat pushed by 3 outboards. Whatever you read about trawlers, freighters, or the boats five years after Evinrude designed the outboard doesn't really matter. The boat in question cannot become a different boat hull or engine design to meet some book you read one time.

Now, the boat in question, as I said, may not be able to plane up because these are weird boats with a focus on odd weight distribution to keep a low profile. We don't know its weight, hull design, nor the hp attached. We also have no idea how much gas it has, but it is unlikely someone built a smuggling boat to go from A to B and back with insufficient fuel to do more than crawl it in.


Tldr: don't confuse which boat type is most efficient with what speed is most efficient for a specific boat type.
 
2021-10-24 1:41:33 PM  
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2021-10-24 1:50:20 PM  
I may have not been perfectly clear in what I was saying, but I never meant to imply that planing boats were more efficient off plane. The quote I was referring to was talking about planing vessels vs displacement ones. The sailboat is certainly of displacement variety. If the drug running ship was as well, then the difference in top speed wouldn't necessarily be all that different for similar water lines.
 
2021-10-24 2:30:50 PM  

Nosatril: I may have not been perfectly clear in what I was saying, but I never meant to imply that planing boats were more efficient off plane. The quote I was referring to was talking about planing vessels vs displacement ones. The sailboat is certainly of displacement variety. If the drug running ship was as well, then the difference in top speed wouldn't necessarily be all that different for similar water lines.


I'll try to take your word for it, but reread what you said, "The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient."

Everything about that statement is untrue.  

If the boat can plane, it is most efficient on plane.

If the boat can't, your statement doesn't apply to the vessel at all.  Btw, the local CBP 33 foot safe boat, a giant tub of overweight sluggishness if ever there was one, with triple outboards (350 or 300s I can't remember) can run full throttle for 5+ hours. 40+ knots.  Ignoring planing, even if it wanted to maximize efficiency for most of it's float time, if something like a freaking chase scene came up, it would forego efficiency to try to make a run for it.

I have no doubt that a drug smuggling vessel would prefer running out of gas and escaping, and then radioing a buddy for an assist, than losing the load. I also have no doubt that a drug running vessel would give up some drug storage space for a modified extra large tank if it made the difference between having the ability to flee to home port or not. These LPVs are, as the article says, artisan builds. Maybe the artisan sucks, but the goal isn't going to be "build an extra expensive boat and then try to make 1k more per trip at the cost of the whole load".

As for your "the speed wouldn't be that different" that is the silliest claim to make I've ever seen.  The truth is, even with the new parameters you've placed into assumption, you still have no idea what the HP of those outboards is.  Triple 4s? Triple 250s?  Supercharged?

Double 250s vs 225s allow a 27' safeboat to go faster than a 25' safeboat.  With that perspective in mind, how can you possibly, without knowing the status of the outboards, make the blanket assumption that they might have the same speed? Of course, you phrased it "not necessarily" because no shiat, if the LPV is running triple 100s or something absurdly stupid it'll be slower than molasses.

That boat looks to be a little over 30' long, with an unknown weight, unknown distribution, and unknown ability to empty any water tanks designed to "submerge" it lower in the water, and unknown hull design (even one designed to run low could have a variety of chine configurations, and it needn't be a deep V to plane up, either).  So sure, it doesn't necessarily have a top speed over 10mp, or a max distance of over X miles, or a minimum distance of over Y miles, etc.  But none of that has a darn thing to do with your initial claim that you tripled down on.

And even your newest remembered quote from a book you read one time was "hp to get on plane" which is not the same as hp to stay on plane. Many boats require nearly full throttle and 10s to get on plane, and can then be reduced to 40% of max to stay that way. To not know the difference between getting up and staying up suggests a pretty low level of boating knowledge.  How could you not know that concept but somehow be the knowledge-bringer of "old adages" about boating? Jiminy Christmas :P

When you triple down on that statement it is hard for me to accept you meant something entirely different, and aren't just trying to move goalposts.
 
2021-10-24 6:09:05 PM  

Smackledorfer: Nosatril: I may have not been perfectly clear in what I was saying, but I never meant to imply that planing boats were more efficient off plane. The quote I was referring to was talking about planing vessels vs displacement ones. The sailboat is certainly of displacement variety. If the drug running ship was as well, then the difference in top speed wouldn't necessarily be all that different for similar water lines.

I'll try to take your word for it, but reread what you said, "The traditional wisdom is that you can't plane a boat out of site of land without running out of gas - too inefficient."

Everything about that statement is untrue.  

If the boat can plane, it is most efficient on plane.

If the boat can't, your statement doesn't apply to the vessel at all.  Btw, the local CBP 33 foot safe boat, a giant tub of overweight sluggishness if ever there was one, with triple outboards (350 or 300s I can't remember) can run full throttle for 5+ hours. 40+ knots.  Ignoring planing, even if it wanted to maximize efficiency for most of it's float time, if something like a freaking chase scene came up, it would forego efficiency to try to make a run for it.

I have no doubt that a drug smuggling vessel would prefer running out of gas and escaping, and then radioing a buddy for an assist, than losing the load. I also have no doubt that a drug running vessel would give up some drug storage space for a modified extra large tank if it made the difference between having the ability to flee to home port or not. These LPVs are, as the article says, artisan builds. Maybe the artisan sucks, but the goal isn't going to be "build an extra expensive boat and then try to make 1k more per trip at the cost of the whole load".

As for your "the speed wouldn't be that different" that is the silliest claim to make I've ever seen.  The truth is, even with the new parameters you've placed into assumption, you still have no idea what the HP of those outboards is.  Triple 4s? Triple 250s?  Supercharged?

Double 250s vs 225s allow a 27' safeboat to go faster than a 25' safeboat.  With that perspective in mind, how can you possibly, without knowing the status of the outboards, make the blanket assumption that they might have the same speed? Of course, you phrased it "not necessarily" because no shiat, if the LPV is running triple 100s or something absurdly stupid it'll be slower than molasses.

That boat looks to be a little over 30' long, with an unknown weight, unknown distribution, and unknown ability to empty any water tanks designed to "submerge" it lower in the water, and unknown hull design (even one designed to run low could have a variety of chine configurations, and it needn't be a deep V to plane up, either).  So sure, it doesn't necessarily have a top speed over 10mp, or a max distance of over X miles, or a minimum distance of over Y miles, etc.  But none of that has a darn thing to do with your initial claim that you tripled down on.

And even your newest remembered quote from a book you read one time was "hp to get on plane" which is not the same as hp to stay on plane. Many boats require nearly full throttle and 10s to get on plane, and can then be reduced to 40% of max to stay that way. To not know the difference between getting up and staying up suggests a pretty low level of boating knowledge.  How could you not know that concept but somehow be the knowledge-bringer of "old adages" about boating? Jiminy Christmas :P

When you triple down on that statement it is hard for me to accept you meant something entirely different, and aren't just trying to move goalposts.


So I looked around and found this.

From the article...

A 60 feet (18.3 m) long narco-submarine can reach speeds of 11 miles per hour (18 km/h; 9.6 kn) and carry up to 10 short tons (8.9 long tons; 9.1 t) of cocaine.[1] They are typically made of fiberglass, powered by a 300 hp (220 kW)/350 hp (260 kW) diesel engine and manned by a crew of four.

Additionally...
 
2021-10-24 6:18:39 PM  
Well, that was premature. Anyway, additionally,

They have enough cargo space to carry two to ten tons of cocaine, carry large fuel tanks which give them a range of 2,000 miles (3,200 km; 1,700 nmi)


Those just aren't numbers that say a planing hull form. Perhaps the one in the article is a different form and for a different purpose. I don't know, but everything I've ever read (and no not just a single book) is that you can't just load up engines on a displacement vessel and make it go faster. The bow will raise out of the water and the transom will swamp.
 
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