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(NPR)   Bonesaw pledges cuts   (npr.org) divider line
    More: Unlikely, Petroleum, United Arab Emirates, Greenhouse gas, Climate change, Carbon dioxide, Fossil fuel, Natural gas, Saudi Arabia  
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2021-10-23 5:56:55 PM  
Spider-Man (2002) - BONESAW IS READY!
Youtube powBr8Hobbk
 
2021-10-23 6:26:48 PM  
I dismember what that headline is about.
 
2021-10-23 8:39:31 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: [YouTube video: Spider-Man (2002) - BONESAW IS READY!]


Done in one, everybody go home I'll turn off the lights.
 
2021-10-23 9:14:08 PM  
Reading between the lines the Saudi's either think they run out of oil by then or the planet will be so farked that no one will really be thinking about promises made in the year 2021.
 
2021-10-23 10:03:43 PM  
Who can talk about Saudi Arabia without talking about hidebound orthodoxy?

No. No. Not THAT orthodoxy. I am talking about the one that stands up and claps when Greenpeace steals information from governments and leaks it simply because they want to advance their own agenda. I am talking about the orthodoxy that says that nuclear power is bad, coal is bad, all renewables are good, and buy more Tesla stock because the FIX IS IN!!

It seems clear to me that, just to get along, everyone is making big promises to do x or y by 2050 or 2060 or whatever. Why? Well, the article says it... to get a seat at the table. That is all anyone cares about. The Saudis are coping. ...Or Cop26ing... with the problem at hand.

Over the next 30 years, Western governments will give up their energy companies, give up producing vehicles, accept patchwork infrastructure, and slide. As that occurs, imperialism and militarism will weaken. Is anybody going to pick up the slack? Sure! Asia, Africa, South America will be producing what the world will continue to need. Everyone wants to have a modern lifestyle, and that will require energy.

The good news is that, given the appropriate technologies, every country will be able to produce enough energy within its own borders to support its economy. For those which can't, there will be Russia, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and others willing to produce and fund their energy habit.

Will "energy" continue to mean "power"? That remains to be seen. Probably. And if energy holds importance, Saudi Arabia is making appropriate moves to make sure that its influence grows at least as much as the Western democracies are willing to let their own influence wane and flicker.
 
2021-10-23 10:21:10 PM  
Can Saudi Arabia become carbon neutral? Sure.

Greenpeace and their ilk will accept any pie in the sky technology EXCEPT any having to do with carbon capture, nuclear power, or any developed by an oil company or an oil rich country.

The production of hydrogen and ammonia can be done with solar power using water and hydrocarbons. Hydrogen can be moved as stored in ammonia or some other medium in huge tankers. Production of plastics will presumably be necessary. All kinds of accounting are possible. If the Saudis send a tanker of crude to country B so that country B can produce fertilizers and plastics more efficiently and with less emissions than country A, do the Saudis get a credit? They probably should.

If the Saudis produce millions of tons of carbon products from CO2 every year and ship them to places that can use them efficiently, do the Saudis get a credit? They probably should.

Maybe the Saudis could produce a space elevator sending all the CO2 to low Earth orbit to support space travel. At a few million tons a year, that would make everyone better off.

2060 is 40 years from now. 40 years ago, few people knew anyone with a personal computer. My car got about 8 miles to the gallon. Ronald Reagan was buying arms from Iran with help from the Israelis, sending them to Central American terrorists and importing cocaine to the US to pay for it all. Most people did not own a telephone. They LEASED them from a monopoly, remember?

Who am I to say what is possible?
 
2021-10-23 11:12:19 PM  
Can we saw off wots?
 
2021-10-23 11:33:59 PM  

2fardownthread: Can Saudi Arabia become carbon neutral? Sure.

Greenpeace and their ilk will accept any pie in the sky technology EXCEPT any having to do with carbon capture, nuclear power, or any developed by an oil company or an oil rich country.

The production of hydrogen and ammonia can be done with solar power using water and hydrocarbons. Hydrogen can be moved as stored in ammonia or some other medium in huge tankers. Production of plastics will presumably be necessary. All kinds of accounting are possible. If the Saudis send a tanker of crude to country B so that country B can produce fertilizers and plastics more efficiently and with less emissions than country A, do the Saudis get a credit? They probably should.

If the Saudis produce millions of tons of carbon products from CO2 every year and ship them to places that can use them efficiently, do the Saudis get a credit? They probably should.

Maybe the Saudis could produce a space elevator sending all the CO2 to low Earth orbit to support space travel. At a few million tons a year, that would make everyone better off.

2060 is 40 years from now. 40 years ago, few people knew anyone with a personal computer. My car got about 8 miles to the gallon. Ronald Reagan was buying arms from Iran with help from the Israelis, sending them to Central American terrorists and importing cocaine to the US to pay for it all. Most people did not own a telephone. They LEASED them from a monopoly, remember?

Who am I to say what is possible?


Well said. 40 years is a huge amount of time, and with progress getting exponentially faster, 2060 will be unrecognizable for people from today.

I wish the US had this kind of foresight and forward-looking declarative culture. Instead, we'll probably be closer to 40 years ago, in 40 years.
 
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