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(White House)   Releasing documents from 1963 might cause "identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or the conduct of foreign relations that is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure" ... in 2021   (whitehouse.gov) divider line
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2021-10-23 11:18:31 AM  
It must be much worse than I thought.  Did Rehnquist pull the trigger?
 
2021-10-23 11:19:48 AM  
It's amazing that Biden had the courage to end the war in Afghanistan, but the JFK records are still - after 58 years - too hot to handle.
 
2021-10-23 11:20:40 AM  
You sound sketchy claiming that. The government's assertion was a lone gunman corrupted by foreign influences. If you were telling the truth, what harm could possibly come from releasing documents?

Yes, that was rhetorical.
 
2021-10-23 11:32:37 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: It must be much worse than I thought.



There's no other interpretation, as far as I can see. Both Biden and Trump punted on this - one of their few areas of bipartisan agreement. And we all know Trump was no fan of intelligence agencies. If releasing what were probably already heavily redacted documents can cause identifiable harm 58 years later, it has to be seriously toxic. The most incriminating documents were surely destroyed long ago, and now they are saying even what remains is too hot to handle.
 
2021-10-23 11:38:01 AM  
The Russians had him killed and the only recourse would be war, so....
 
2021-10-23 12:08:27 PM  
The Russians didn't kill him the U.S. did.
 
2021-10-23 12:13:09 PM  
Wait until this happens with 9-11 records in 50 years.
 
2021-10-23 12:14:17 PM  
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2021-10-23 12:16:51 PM  
Obama went back in his time machine and set a plot in motion with Fidel Castro and Che Guevara to bring socialized medicine to America.  Kennedy found out and was eliminated by the CIA.  Biden is trying to cover it up.  Study it out people.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-10-23 12:24:10 PM  
I remember hearing that some documents from the Mexican-American war are still secret because the families of American supporters in Mexico might face retribution over 150 years later.
 
2021-10-23 12:30:31 PM  
But I was assured it was a lone gunman. Just a single, solitary, crazy individual. Nothing to see there, etc
 
2021-10-23 12:31:14 PM  
Curtis LeMay probably had him offed.

/farker was crazy
 
2021-10-23 12:50:27 PM  
Oswald hit him (and the other guy) with one bullet. The fatal headshot was accidental friendly fire from a Secret Service guy in the car behind him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_​E​rror
 
2021-10-23 12:53:13 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Oswald hit him (and the other guy) with one bullet. The fatal headshot was accidental friendly fire from a Secret Service guy in the car behind him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_E​rror


No.
 
2021-10-23 1:01:27 PM  
i thought this about ufo disclosure.
 
2021-10-23 1:26:47 PM  
That's not what this said. It said that the pandemic prevented proper analysis of what to release and that some new material would be released later in 2021, but not until after the anniversary of the assassination, and then more released next year.

Read the whole damn piece, not just part of it.
 
2021-10-23 1:31:22 PM  

flamark: Wait until this happens with 9-11 records in 50 years.


30.
 
2021-10-23 1:53:18 PM  
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2021-10-23 1:53:48 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: It's amazing that Biden had the courage to end the war in Afghanistan, but the JFK records are still - after 58 years - too hot to handle.


Too Hot to Handle (2019 Remaster)
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2021-10-23 1:55:15 PM  
If it's released, It will add more fuel to the fire of the already unstable nut jobs.
 
2021-10-23 1:55:59 PM  
It's because we find out that is was aliens pissed that Kennedy farked their lizard queen or something, right?
 
2021-10-23 1:57:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It must be much worse than I thought.  Did Rehnquist pull the trigger?


Bob Dole, which is impressive considering he only has one good arm.
/Still alive
 
2021-10-23 1:57:33 PM  
Ha-ha, only serious, from presidential historian Bill Hicks
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2021-10-23 1:58:25 PM  

saywhonow: It's because we find out that is was aliens pissed that Kennedy farked their lizard queen or something, right?


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2021-10-23 1:59:02 PM  
I'm with what Quincy Jones admitted awhile back: The mob killed him (or had him killed rather).

And that tracks. His dad bootlegged for them during the depression, then he gets into the White House and what's the first thing he does? Hires his brother to go after organized crime. After all the things they did for him. They were not happy at all.

The most telling evidence is not JFK's assassination, but RFK's assassination 5 years later. Total mob move: Go after any other family members who might make a play for the executive. That's why Teddy stayed in Massachusetts for 30+ years. He read the room loud and clear.
 
2021-10-23 1:59:25 PM  
Everyone knows that John F Kennedy is alive and well and living with the mole people in the sunken continent of Lumeria. Kennedy was rescued at the last minute by the mole people when Johnson colluded with the KGB and the CIA to assassinate Kennedy on the orders of the reverse vampires from outer space. JFK was very sad when JFK Jr. died because he's dead and is never going to be Trump's running mate in 2024.
 
2021-10-23 2:01:12 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: It's amazing that Biden had the courage to end the war in Afghanistan, but the JFK records are still - after 58 years - too hot to handle.


Trump was the one that announced an withdrawal date from Aghanistan, Biden just postponed it and farked it up.

Not implying that it would have been better under Trump, but he wasn't the president during the actual withdrawal.
 
2021-10-23 2:01:26 PM  

dodecahedron: That's not what this said. It said that the pandemic prevented proper analysis of what to release and that some new material would be released later in 2021, but not until after the anniversary of the assassination, and then more released next year.

Read the whole damn piece, not just part of it.


This.

Declassification review is difficult, departments are culturally biased towards maintaining classification, and NARA has only so much bandwidth.

Declassification has to assess not just the classification of a particular paragraph or page, but also aggregation. You can have pieces of information that are unclassified on their own, but once aggregated must be classified (or classified material that must be classified higher upon aggregation).
 
2021-10-23 2:01:50 PM  
Almost 60 years later the information is still sensitive?

Just how involved was the CIA?
 
2021-10-23 2:02:23 PM  
The truth and whole story will never be know ..
 
2021-10-23 2:02:39 PM  
There could be national security grounds, even now, for keeping this secret.

Say there was a double agent in the KGB back in '63. Now, say, over a 40 year career, he recruited other KGB to act as double agents. These guys would still be alive and active, but exposing the root would likely be detrimental to the current agents. They would fall under suspicion. They might be killed. From an intelligence perspective, it's likely better that they remain in place without controversy.

Of course, it's also possible, from a national security perspective, to keep this secret merely for the sake of keeping it secret. In that case, the Russian Federation may suspect that there was a a double agent in the KGB back in '63. Now, say, over a 40 year career, he recruited other KGB to act as double agents. These guys would still be alive and active, but exposing the root would likely be detrimental to the current agents. They would fall under suspicion. This paranoia would destabilize the current make up of the Russian Federation's intelligence services.
 
2021-10-23 2:02:45 PM  
I find in political matters,,
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
 
2021-10-23 2:03:44 PM  
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"Marilyn Monroe? How was she in the sack?"

"That is classified information! Top Secret! But between you and me... Wow!"
 
2021-10-23 2:06:17 PM  
It's Aliens
 
2021-10-23 2:07:14 PM  
The question is: who stole the Jack Ruby?
 
2021-10-23 2:08:00 PM  
Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
 
2021-10-23 2:09:49 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: thatguyoverthere70: It's amazing that Biden had the courage to end the war in Afghanistan, but the JFK records are still - after 58 years - too hot to handle.

Trump was the one that announced an withdrawal date from Aghanistan, Biden just postponed it and farked it up.
Not implying that it would have been better under Trump, but he wasn't the president during the actual withdrawal.


Yes he was. Trump withdrew down to 2000 left. And Trump left all the hardware on the bases he abandoned. He left the 2000 there as sacrifices to make Biden look bad.
Stop blaming the final withdrawal on Biden. There was nothing else that could be done.
 
2021-10-23 2:10:07 PM  
Or you can go psychotic and asshole voices will leak into your brain against your will.

Things like an extra judicial sacrifice system that maims and murders Americans based on the shakiest fragments of "evidence" without trials, juries, judges or lawyers.

Gosh I sure hope I'm insane.

/anything you leak into my brain becomes my property to do with whatever I want, you litterbug trespassing rapist headspies
 
2021-10-23 2:10:12 PM  

Ishkur: I'm with what Quincy Jones admitted awhile back: The mob killed him (or had him killed rather).

And that tracks. His dad bootlegged for them during the depression, then he gets into the White House and what's the first thing he does? Hires his brother to go after organized crime. After all the things they did for him. They were not happy at all.

The most telling evidence is not JFK's assassination, but RFK's assassination 5 years later. Total mob move: Go after any other family members who might make a play for the executive. That's why Teddy stayed in Massachusetts for 30+ years. He read the room loud and clear.


Like when Teddy made a run at President in 1980 and even tried to convert Carter delegates at the Convention? That Teddy?

It wasn't the assassinations that kept him in Massachusetts, or who pulled them off. It was that whole Chappaquidick thing.
 
2021-10-23 2:10:45 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Oswald hit him (and the other guy) with one bullet. The fatal headshot was accidental friendly fire from a Secret Service guy in the car behind him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_E​rror


Left-handed Jackie.
 
2021-10-23 2:11:26 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Marcus Aurelius: It must be much worse than I thought.


There's no other interpretation, as far as I can see. Both Biden and Trump punted on this - one of their few areas of bipartisan agreement. And we all know Trump was no fan of intelligence agencies. If releasing what were probably already heavily redacted documents can cause identifiable harm 58 years later, it has to be seriously toxic. The most incriminating documents were surely destroyed long ago, and now they are saying even what remains is too hot to handle.


Bingo. There's no way anything less than full on government conspiracy to commit murder would be so potentially volatile 60 years later.
 
2021-10-23 2:12:01 PM  
Joe Dimaggio had JFK killed.  There.  Now you know.
 
2021-10-23 2:12:21 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Ishkur: I'm with what Quincy Jones admitted awhile back: The mob killed him (or had him killed rather).

And that tracks. His dad bootlegged for them during the depression, then he gets into the White House and what's the first thing he does? Hires his brother to go after organized crime. After all the things they did for him. They were not happy at all.

The most telling evidence is not JFK's assassination, but RFK's assassination 5 years later. Total mob move: Go after any other family members who might make a play for the executive. That's why Teddy stayed in Massachusetts for 30+ years. He read the room loud and clear.

Like when Teddy made a run at President in 1980 and even tried to convert Carter delegates at the Convention? That Teddy?

It wasn't the assassinations that kept him in Massachusetts, or who pulled them off. It was that whole Chappaquidick thing.


Chappaquidick (seriously? Someone decided to spell it like that?) was obviously the most cruelly executed murder of all modern time
 
2021-10-23 2:12:40 PM  
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2021-10-23 2:12:55 PM  
I bet the reason they don't want to release everything is because the investigation was botched by both Texas and federal law enforcement agencies. Oswald was put under FBI surveillance after he returned from Russia, but taken off of it when they deemed him "not a threat".
 
2021-10-23 2:14:40 PM  

WhiskeySticks: If it's released, It will add more fuel to the fire of the already unstable nut jobs.


Good.
 
2021-10-23 2:15:39 PM  
Sounds like Ted Cruz pulled some strings to protect his Dad.
 
2021-10-23 2:15:57 PM  

RasIanI: Almost 60 years later the information is still sensitive?

Just how involved was the CIA?


Not at all, it will show that the intelligence agencies are so bad they bungled every aspect of the investigation. This incompetence was headlined by a Bush who eventually went on the lead the CIA.
 
2021-10-23 2:16:04 PM  

Jake Havechek: I bet the reason they don't want to release everything is because the investigation was botched by both Texas and federal law enforcement agencies. Oswald was put under FBI surveillance after he returned from Russia, but taken off of it when they deemed him "not a threat".


I'mma guess it's just because of the arcane and bureaucratic nature of the government. They often make things look cagier than they really are just through sheer humorless paper pushing.

If there was actually an insidious conspiracy here, it would've been found out already. Historically, our government is not good at keeping the lid on those.
 
2021-10-23 2:16:30 PM  

Jake Havechek: Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.


Yes, and he also used a magic bullet too.
 
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