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2021-10-23 8:57:09 AM  
Who Doesn't love burgers, Dogs and salsa music?
 
2021-10-23 9:09:39 AM  
Wow, does no one remeber microsofts " embrace and extend" stratagy? This just sounds like a rehash of what they tryed with web browsers. Heres a great feature but it will only work if you use our product..
 
2021-10-23 9:23:04 AM  
Are people going to have the balls to fork?
 
2021-10-23 10:21:19 AM  

orneryredguy: Are people going to have the balls to fork?


I don't think they even need to fork, it sounds like a plug-in might do the job.  Microsoft really put their foot into it either way.

They'll ruin Typescript next.
 
2021-10-23 10:21:34 AM  

orneryredguy: Are people going to have the balls to fork?


This is not .NET itself, just the dev tool.
 
2021-10-23 10:49:48 AM  
It's a tool. I'm sure there's a dozen plugins that do this already.

You'd think the anti Microsoft crowd wouldn't even be using anything Microsoft, let alone relying on it.

Such fickle hatred
 
2021-10-23 10:53:26 AM  
Actually, there must be better languages than .net?

Right?
 
2021-10-23 11:11:36 AM  

Gubbo: It's a tool. I'm sure there's a dozen plugins that do this already.

You'd think the anti Microsoft crowd wouldn't even be using anything Microsoft, let alone relying on it.

Such fickle hatred


Sometimes I think The Register derives all its income from anti-Microsoft screeds.

(BOFH excluded. That's awesome.)
 
2021-10-23 11:23:09 AM  

Mcavity: Wow, does no one remeber microsofts " embrace and extend" stratagy? This just sounds like a rehash of what they tryed with web browsers. Heres a great feature but it will only work if you use our product..


Except .NET is their 'feature' that they want embraced.  So its less 'extend' than simply 'cripple'
 
2021-10-23 11:23:47 AM  

Gubbo: Actually, there must be better languages than .net?

Right?


Esperanto.
 
2021-10-23 11:30:51 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Mcavity: Wow, does no one remeber microsofts " embrace and extend" stratagy? This just sounds like a rehash of what they tryed with web browsers. Heres a great feature but it will only work if you use our product..

Except .NET is their 'feature' that they want embraced.  So its less 'extend' than simply 'cripple'


They aren't crippling .NET. They are placing a dev TOOL for testing efficiency inside VS. The code is still OSS. No dev is required to use the tool.
 
2021-10-23 11:32:41 AM  
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2021-10-23 11:35:47 AM  

GardenWeasel: Vlad_the_Inaner: Mcavity: Wow, does no one remeber microsofts " embrace and extend" stratagy? This just sounds like a rehash of what they tryed with web browsers. Heres a great feature but it will only work if you use our product..

Except .NET is their 'feature' that they want embraced.  So its less 'extend' than simply 'cripple'

They aren't crippling .NET. They are placing a dev TOOL for testing efficiency inside VS. The code is still OSS. No dev is required to use the tool.


If they are making it harder to develop, less code gets made.  Crippled

/ 'Sure, use Linux, but we're removing GCC from the distribution'
// fork them
 
2021-10-23 11:43:07 AM  
The linux community should know better than to trust Microsoft
 
2021-10-23 11:44:32 AM  
Is that like Superhot?
(Which is amazing)

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2021-10-23 11:54:18 AM  

Nadie_AZ: The linux community should know better than to trust Microsoft


I run OpenSuse specifically because MS bundled Ubuntu into Windows 10
 
2021-10-23 11:56:13 AM  

GardenWeasel: orneryredguy: Are people going to have the balls to fork?

This is not .NET itself, just the dev tool.


That simply lowers the barriers to forking, if what needs to be forked is a dev tool.

I don't have a dog in this fight as I'm not a .Net developer.  I am however prepared to make as many bowl of popcorn as needed.
 
2021-10-23 12:25:26 PM  
Isn't there already a fully open source version of VS Code?
 
2021-10-23 12:27:40 PM  

Mcavity: Wow, does no one remeber microsofts " embrace and extend" stratagy? This just sounds like a rehash of what they tryed with web browsers. Heres a great feature but it will only work if you use our product..


I remember that strategy under its full name.
 
2021-10-23 12:39:04 PM  
Baby step by baby step, self-modifying code enters the tent.
 
2021-10-23 2:21:34 PM  

Gubbo: Actually, there must be better languages than .net?

Right?


No.  Next question?
 
2021-10-23 2:23:31 PM  
I don't get it, there's already Hot Reload in VS2019.
 
2021-10-23 3:06:50 PM  

GardenWeasel: Gubbo: It's a tool. I'm sure there's a dozen plugins that do this already.

You'd think the anti Microsoft crowd wouldn't even be using anything Microsoft, let alone relying on it.

Such fickle hatred

Sometimes I think The Register derives all its income from anti-Microsoft screeds.

(BOFH excluded. That's awesome.)


It's like Fark pol tab with Tucker Carlson threads. What did that Facebook exec say? Outrage drives engagement which drives revenue?

I get it. It works.
 
2021-10-23 3:23:10 PM  
The .NET runtime is the reason even your calculator application requires a splash screen, and that is a very sad thing, IMHO.
 
2021-10-23 3:26:09 PM  
 
2021-10-23 4:14:20 PM  
It's open source.

Someone should just copy the code for the feature and then later submit it again as a hot new feature.
 
2021-10-23 5:06:20 PM  

GardenWeasel: Nadie_AZ: The linux community should know better than to trust Microsoft

I run OpenSuse specifically because MS bundled Ubuntu into Windows 10


I don't always run OpenSUSE, but when I do, the video driver never works.
 
2021-10-23 6:01:43 PM  

dyhchong: It's open source.

Someone should just copy the code for the feature and then later submit it again as a hot new feature.


Someone is already on it.  Which makes the fiasco look even worse for M$, if that's possible.
 
2021-10-23 6:03:36 PM  
Dear open source .NET developers:

Animal House
Youtube -glKGjp50Ug
 
2021-10-23 9:13:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: GardenWeasel: Nadie_AZ: The linux community should know better than to trust Microsoft

I run OpenSuse specifically because MS bundled Ubuntu into Windows 10

I don't always run OpenSUSE, but when I do, the video driver never works.


Wait... what? Ubuntu is now part of win 10? Please tell me you are kidding! All of my boxes run different versions of Ubuntu!
 
2021-10-23 9:20:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Gubbo: Actually, there must be better languages than .net?

Right?

Esperanto.


Why don't you come to your senses?
 
2021-10-23 9:38:21 PM  
I run win10 on a vm that runs on linux. Its network access is almost nothing and its only purpose is to serve as a remote work desktop. I don't want zoom, office, citrix webex, citrix receiver/workspace, teams, and every other analytics capture point shiat installed in my personal space. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. fark Microsoft.
 
2021-10-23 9:44:04 PM  

tedthebellhopp: Who Doesn't love burgers, Dogs and salsa music?


The same people who don't like beer and fried chicken. Communis.
 
2021-10-23 9:51:42 PM  

I Swear I'll Jump: tedthebellhopp: Who Doesn't love burgers, Dogs and salsa music?

The same people who don't like beer and fried chicken. Communis.


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2021-10-23 10:54:50 PM  

orneryredguy: Are people going to have the balls to fork?


Subjecting your balls to a poking fork is even worse than a slatted chair.
 
2021-10-24 12:10:55 AM  

halfjack: Marcus Aurelius: GardenWeasel: Nadie_AZ: The linux community should know better than to trust Microsoft

I run OpenSuse specifically because MS bundled Ubuntu into Windows 10

I don't always run OpenSUSE, but when I do, the video driver never works.

Wait... what? Ubuntu is now part of win 10? Please tell me you are kidding! All of my boxes run different versions of Ubuntu!


WSL2 is pretty sweet. Also it came with VS Code integration right out of the box.
 
2021-10-24 12:16:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: GardenWeasel: Nadie_AZ: The linux community should know better than to trust Microsoft

I run OpenSuse specifically because MS bundled Ubuntu into Windows 10

I don't always run OpenSUSE, but when I do, the video driver never works.

Is it an Nvidia GPU? If so, Linus has already spoken quite clearly on the topic.

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2021-10-24 1:44:03 AM  

Katerchen: WSL2 is pretty sweet. Also it came with VS Code integration right out of the box.


But not hot reloading, apparently.
 
2021-10-24 9:27:05 AM  

MetaDeth: I don't get it, there's already Hot Reload in VS2019.


There's been "hot reload" in VS since 2006. My mind was blown at that feature of VS over other IDEs I had used until then. Intellisense was the other.

What MS needs to do is slim down VS. it eats over 800MB of memory per instance and 98% of what it does is bloat I don't, and won't use, but can't trim it down. Like Adobe Photoshop it has become a single monolithic thing to support overtone tangentially related to the process.

It has database access built in, tuning and performance tools, a WSIWYG editor for native front ends and web front ends, embedded source control, deployment, mapping, unit testing, and hundreds of other features you can't disable or uninstall. I would love to install VS with only the minimum, and choose which other features I actually want to install.

VS Code is much closer to that thing. I was hoping MS was headed down that path. But now they want to cripple other tools in favor of monolithic VS?
 
2021-10-24 10:02:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: orneryredguy: Are people going to have the balls to fork?

I don't think they even need to fork, it sounds like a plug-in might do the job.  Microsoft really put their foot into it either way.

They'll ruin Typescript next.


Tbf, Typescript ruined Typescript
 
2021-10-24 11:13:50 AM  

Quantumbunny: MetaDeth: I don't get it, there's already Hot Reload in VS2019.

There's been "hot reload" in VS since 2006. My mind was blown at that feature of VS over other IDEs I had used until then. Intellisense was the other.

What MS needs to do is slim down VS. it eats over 800MB of memory per instance and 98% of what it does is bloat I don't, and won't use, but can't trim it down. Like Adobe Photoshop it has become a single monolithic thing to support overtone tangentially related to the process.

It has database access built in, tuning and performance tools, a WSIWYG editor for native front ends and web front ends, embedded source control, deployment, mapping, unit testing, and hundreds of other features you can't disable or uninstall. I would love to install VS with only the minimum, and choose which other features I actually want to install.

VS Code is much closer to that thing. I was hoping MS was headed down that path. But now they want to cripple other tools in favor of monolithic VS?


Not just "other" tools.  They've been punishing MS employees that contribute to VS Code / .NET integration tools.

Have you ever noticed that .NET - a Microsoft owned product - is the worst supported programming platform on Visual Studio Code - which also happens to be another Microsoft owned product? I've been complaining about this for years, because to me Visual Studio Code represents the future of .NET and a new gateway into growing the .NET platform beyond traditional die-hard Windows fans. However, Microsoft has been purposefully underfunding OmniSharp for years in an effort to push developers towards Visual Studio again.

Sure, you might think this is not a big deal and completely up to Microsoft to decide where they want to allocate their resources, and normally I would agree, but what if I tell you that internally at Microsoft employees are being actively punished by management if they contribute improvements or bug fixes to OmniSharp (the OSS .NET plugin for VS Code) which is seen as further undermining Visual Studio?
 
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