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2021-10-23 9:54:39 AM  

webct_god: Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.

Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.

Say it with me: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges.

Should we use smaller words?

Say it with me: A prosector can throw a case or prosecute a bad case by misleading the Grand Jury.

That's the issue - he gets to decide which cases go to trial, period.

Those goalposts are quick little bastards.

Anyway, y'all were biatching about having to go to the grand jury. I just pointed out that it's the law, that's why. Now you're talking about a hypothetical corrupt prosecutor.

If that's the case, does the requirement of a grand jury indictment even matter? No.

Soooo....


Is your reading comprehension up to speed? At no point do I mention requirements to go before a grand jury. The Texas grand jury system is badly broken, and is subject to abuse. That's what I was pointing out - the DA is about to make this case go away.

If you want to argue about the requirements to go before a grand jury, why don't you interject yourself into a conversation about that - just find a thread that actually disagrees with you, otherwise that straw man gets a bit obvious.
 
2021-10-23 9:58:10 AM  

Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.

Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.

Say it with me: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges.

Should we use smaller words?

Say it with me: A prosector can throw a case or prosecute a bad case by misleading the Grand Jury.

That's the issue - he gets to decide which cases go to trial, period.

Those goalposts are quick little bastards.

Anyway, y'all were biatching about having to go to the grand jury. I just pointed out that it's the law, that's why. Now you're talking about a hypothetical corrupt prosecutor.

If that's the case, does the requirement of a grand jury indictment even matter? No.

Soooo....

Is your reading comprehension up to speed? At no point do I mention requirements to go before a grand jury. The Texas grand jury system is badly broken, and is subject to abuse. That's what I was pointing out - the DA is about to make this case go away.

If you want to argue about the requirements to go before a grand jury, why don't you interject yourself into a conversation about that - just find a thread that actually disagrees with you, otherwise that st ...


Perhaps you meant to attack Gyrfalcon. Either way, if you disagree with someone, you can do it in a less douchy way - also helps if you address your douchiness to the correct person.
 
2021-10-23 10:03:02 AM  

BizarreMan: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Stopped clock, or exception make the rule rules?


I'll take "Signed in with the wrong alt" for $200, Alex.
 
2021-10-23 10:10:03 AM  

Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.

Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.

Say it with me: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges.

Should we use smaller words?

Say it with me: A prosector can throw a case or prosecute a bad case by misleading the Grand Jury.

That's the issue - he gets to decide which cases go to trial, period.

Those goalposts are quick little bastards.

Anyway, y'all were biatching about having to go to the grand jury. I just pointed out that it's the law, that's why. Now you're talking about a hypothetical corrupt prosecutor.

If that's the case, does the requirement of a grand jury indictment even matter? No.

Soooo....

Is your reading comprehension up to speed? At no point do I mention requirements to go before a grand jury. The Texas grand jury system is badly broken, and is subject to abuse. That's what I was pointing out - the DA is about to make this case go away.

If you want to argue about the requirements to go before a grand jury, why don't you interject yourself into a conversation about that - just find a thread that actually disagrees with you, otherwise that straw man gets a bit obvious.


I selectively read these types of threads; If I read the entire thing, I'd lose some brain cells.

people are posting, you included, without any proof that the reason this is going before a GJ is so the prosecutor can weasel their way out of prosecuting. And, some are going so far as to say this is the reason the prosecutor is taking it before a GJ, as if they have a choice. See:

"isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.
"

This is false. Period. Texas law requires a GJ indictment. Prosecutor has no say in the matter of whether it needs to go to a GJ or not.

"Indictments are presented by prosecutors to a 12-person grand jury that then votes whether there is probable cause of the defendant's guilt.  Nine votes are required to take the case to trial. If the prosecution does not meet that requirement, no charge is filed, but the prosecution can present its case again to a grand jury."

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2016/06/03/arrest-arraignment-indictment-trial-how-does-texas-justice-system-work/

That is all. Have a nice day.
 
2021-10-23 10:15:53 AM  

Xai: Pretty certain if I saw a gunman chasing me down the street I'd try to flee too, they act like that is somehow suspicious.


Why she shot somebody after they got the wrong address or were an Uber driver or were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He chased a man down and murdered him. And somehow in Texas fleeing from a dangerous psychopath with a gun is now a crime. I guess it comes down to whoever draws first who ever survive the duel that gets to go and claim self-defense. Note to self next time I meet Governor Abbott he reached for it
 
2021-10-23 10:16:26 AM  
I'd call a guy on foot waving a gun and chasing my car down the street to be pretty suspicious.  Does that mean I can turn around and shoot him?
 
2021-10-23 10:16:48 AM  

whosits_112: Gyrfalcon: Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?

There are any of a thousand reasons I can think of that are both farious and nefarious.

Maybe next time, call the cops and let them sort it out. Or just wait and see if the guy leaves, which is what I would do. Why was the shooter awake at 4 am locked and loaded protecting his driveway? What kind of maniac or meth dealer is up prowling around at 4 am?

Well, the article did say that the dude woke up to use the toilet. Glanced out the window and saw the stranger's car in his driveway. To be fair, I would have freaked too. Yet I would have called the cops, not gone out in my skivvies and waving a gun around.


The article also said that dude claimed his victim had a gun, which he didn't.

I'm trying to figure out if this guy really WAS parked in the driveway, or just outside of it. The article notes he was on-scene, outside the driveway while the murderer says he was in the driveway and backed out,in the same article.

What I want to know is if he was in that driveway, why? I don't care 'why' if he wasn't actually parked in the driveway.
 
2021-10-23 10:21:03 AM  

Boo_Guy: resident dystopian: Ah yes, middle aged with the white goatee. It's like asshole regalia.
/thanks, farkers.
//i really wanted to grow out my beard this year.

Like this guy?
[Fark user image 398x278]
/from a thread yesterday


That guy has gone to great lengths to not be white and you shouldn't accuse him of it.

/Don't Call Me White
 
2021-10-23 10:22:25 AM  

Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

Usually that excuse only works for cops but it is Texas.


Yeah, but if there's no gun, that definitely only works for the cops.
 
2021-10-23 10:22:55 AM  

Private_Citizen: Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.

Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.

Say it with me: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges.

Should we use smaller words?

Say it with me: A prosector can throw a case or prosecute a bad case by misleading the Grand Jury.

That's the issue - he gets to decide which cases go to trial, period.

Those goalposts are quick little bastards.

Anyway, y'all were biatching about having to go to the grand jury. I just pointed out that it's the law, that's why. Now you're talking about a hypothetical corrupt prosecutor.

If that's the case, does the requirement of a grand jury indictment even matter? No.

Soooo....

Is your reading comprehension up to speed? At no point do I mention requirements to go before a grand jury. The Texas grand jury system is badly broken, and is subject to abuse. That's what I was pointing out - the DA is about to make this case go away.

If you want to argue about the requirements to go before a grand jury, why don't you interject yourself into a conversation about that - just find a thread that actually disagrees with you, otherwise that st ...

Perhaps you meant to attack Gyrfalcon. Either way, if you disagree with someone, you can do it in a less douchy way - also helps if you address your douchiness to the correct person.


You're right, replied to the wrong person. In my defense, so many farkers are posting false crap in this thread, it's hard to keep track.

It's some sorta grand conspiracy in Texas. OMG! The prosecutor is taking this before a grand jury instead! Because he's white, the prosecutor wants to let a accused murder go free without a trial! OMG!

Forget the fact that ALL felonies in Texas require an indictment. And the only way to get an indictment in Texas is from a grand jury. Even if the accused admits guilt. Still going to a grand jury.

But what are facts in Fark?
 
2021-10-23 10:26:46 AM  

whosits_112: Resident Muslim: BizarreMan: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Stopped clock, or exception make the rule rules?

What do you two have against Fecking?

He's (almost) always on the wrong side of every argument.


In fairness, I think their positions are sincere, not trolling. Which means, occasionally, they say things that make sense, but are usually just a dick.
 
2021-10-23 10:31:07 AM  

webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges


The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.
 
2021-10-23 10:32:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.


Yup. Damn shame the killer walked free...
 
2021-10-23 10:43:50 AM  

Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right


You don't have to imagine. Remember that 'reset the clocks there's been a mass shooting' in a Dallas area school recently where an 18 year old guy shot 4 people after a fight and then fled? Because he, a Black guy, was also promptly released on bail. A 'mass school shooter' was given an ankle monitor, sent home and told "don't you go getting in any more trouble now" and the whole 'school shooter' narrative was abandoned once authorities determined it was not a white guy with dark makeup and a notebook full of creepy drawings.

Nobody really gave a shiat, there was no rioting or much of anything in response. The only reaction from the right I saw really was a few commentators pointing out how quickly the media pounced when they thought they had a juicy story then ran away when they realized it cut against their preferred narrative.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/timberview-shooting-suspect-transferred-to-tarrant-co-jail/2760729/
 
2021-10-23 10:47:07 AM  

GrinzGrimly: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

You don't have to imagine. Remember that 'reset the clocks there's been a mass shooting' in a Dallas area school recently where an 18 year old guy shot 4 people after a fight and then fled? Because he, a Black guy, was also promptly released on bail. A 'mass school shooter' was given an ankle monitor, sent home and told "don't you go getting in any more trouble now" and the whole 'school shooter' narrative was abandoned once authorities determined it was not a white guy with dark makeup and a notebook full of creepy drawings.

Nobody really gave a shiat, there was no rioting or much of anything in response. The only reaction from the right I saw really was a few commentators pointing out how quickly the media pounced when they thought they had a juicy story then ran away when they realized it cut against their preferred narrative.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/timberview-shooting-suspect-transferred-to-tarrant-co-jail/2760729/


I know. it's just outrageous what those blacks get away with in this country!
When is the White man ever going to get an even break?
 
2021-10-23 10:48:17 AM  

Latinwolf: AlwaysRightBoy: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Are you new here? He says smarter things than 99% of the posers here.

Guy I have favored in Trump orange makes excuses for another guy I have favored in trump orange.  BTW by attempting to claim he's better than 99% of the posters here, you just made yourself out to be a bigger idiot than he is.


I have never advocated anything the idiot Trump spews ...and had to vote Democrat in the last two elections because of him.
Feckingmorons is a skilled master at making you Farkingmorons look stupid. Hell, half of you posers don't even know his handle is calling you morons.
 
2021-10-23 10:51:13 AM  
webct_god: You're right, replied to the wrong person.

No worries, happens to everyone eventually. Still, a less attacking tone makes those mistake much less awkward.
 
2021-10-23 10:55:53 AM  
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2021-10-23 10:59:14 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.


I was simply pointing out the law requires it, despite the lies being posted all over this thread. But, I'll bite...

And what do you propose?

Automatically go to trial? Great, now EVERYONE charged with a felony, even those charged by corrupt cops, has to go to trial.

Prosecutorial discretion? Well, if you think a prosecutor would throw a grand jury, not sure they would have a change of heart when it's their choice. And now we get to deal with malicious prosecutions, but with felonies. Yea!

I agree that in some instances prosecutors have done some questionable things to either benefit or hinder the accused. But simply requiring a GJ indictment by law has nothing to do with it.

Of course, all of this is irrelevant regarding this particular case, seeing as this hasn't reached a GJ yet. Unless you used your time machine to see that the prosecutor was, in fact, corrupt.

You used your time machine, didn't you? Damn it, you know that cause problems with spacetime.
 
2021-10-23 11:01:56 AM  

Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?


It probably helped that he turned himself in, making him seen as less of a flight risk.

He must have been parked there, how else would he have time to retrieve his gun, exit the house and chase down the car.

Well, it could have been parked along the sidewalk, and he's lying because he thinks he's allowed to murder people on his property.
 
2021-10-23 11:07:58 AM  

Private_Citizen: Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.

Yup. Damn shame the killer walked free...


If farkers spend half the effort going after real events that have actually happened as they spend complaining about hypotheticals on a fark thread, we might see some real reform.
 
2021-10-23 11:13:47 AM  
Guys, price of freedom is a few broken eggs. GUYS.
 
2021-10-23 11:15:37 AM  
And this is what i mean.
This is not wroth the inner damage to your own self to light the fire to burn this palace of shiat down.
While this is also a place and culture unworthy of sacrifices or effort to keep it going and protect it.
 
2021-10-23 11:19:08 AM  
I lived in that town 35 years ago, this doesn't surprise me. Everyone there is a gun toting trigger happy redneck. It was extremely common for neighbors to shoot and kill each other's pets. If they didn't do that, they'd try to run them over with their trucks.
 
2021-10-23 11:19:48 AM  

webct_god: Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.

I was simply pointing out the law requires it, despite the lies being posted all over this thread. But, I'll bite...

And what do you propose?

Automatically go to trial? Great, now EVERYONE charged with a felony, even those charged by corrupt cops, has to go to trial.

Prosecutorial discretion? Well, if you think a prosecutor would throw a grand jury, not sure they would have a change of heart when it's their choice. And now we get to deal with malicious prosecutions, but with felonies. Yea!


A lot of the cynicism about the prosecutor cautioning they're at the mercy of getting a grand jury indictment is that these virtually always return a true bill because their purpose is to verify if there's some evidence the person did the thing they're accused of.

The defense has no place at it. The defenses case (self defense here) doesn't get presented. The prosecutor doesn't present all their evidence or all their case. They show they have some evidence a crime was committed (the guy with a hole in his head) and some evidence the person did it (the phone call stating he did). Any arguments for self defense are for the jury to decide at trial.

What seems to be happening lately though is that prosecutors have been having a suspiciously hard time getting grand jury indictments for police officers who kill people or for white dudes who kill/harm black people or left wing protestors. Almost as though they've been using closed door grand juries to deliberately throw the case so they can pretend they really wanted to take it to trial but schucks... couldn't get an indictment.

Making grand juries open, or requiring transcripts to be released showing exactly how hard prosecutors argued, might go some way to mitigating this.
 
2021-10-23 11:28:23 AM  

Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

Usually that excuse only works for cops but it is Texas.


"I was in fear of my life"
 
2021-10-23 11:30:12 AM  
Since Dghoughi's shooting, over $27,000 has been raised to help his family hire an attorney and private investigator.

Has it reached the point where a private investigator is needed to makes sure justice is served ?
 
2021-10-23 11:30:45 AM  

feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.


If you are that scared. Call the Cops. They are experts at killing unarmed brown people. It is in their job description.
 
2021-10-23 11:31:11 AM  

webct_god: Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.

I was simply pointing out the law requires it, despite the lies being posted all over this thread. But, I'll bite...

And what do you propose?

Automatically go to trial? Great, now EVERYONE charged with a felony, even those charged by corrupt cops, has to go to trial.

Prosecutorial discretion? Well, if you think a prosecutor would throw a grand jury, not sure they would have a change of heart when it's their choice. And now we get to deal with malicious prosecutions, but with felonies. Yea!

I agree that in some instances prosecutors have done some questionable things to either benefit or hinder the accused. But simply requiring a GJ indictment by law has nothing to do with it.

Of course, all of this is irrelevant regarding this particular case, seeing as this hasn't reached a GJ yet. Unless you used your time machine to see that the prosecutor was, in fact, corrupt.

You used your time machine, didn't you? Damn it, you know that cause problems with spacetime.


You do realize grand juries aren't required in felony cases in about half of the states, right?  So this doesn't have to be a hypothetical about prosecutorial discretion.

I think some people here are rightly skeptical when the DA says it's up to the grand jury to indict.  There's a dead guy and a guy who admitted shooting him.  That's a slam dunk indictment if you want it.
 
2021-10-23 11:37:50 AM  

Target Builder: webct_god: Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.

I was simply pointing out the law requires it, despite the lies being posted all over this thread. But, I'll bite...

And what do you propose?

Automatically go to trial? Great, now EVERYONE charged with a felony, even those charged by corrupt cops, has to go to trial.

Prosecutorial discretion? Well, if you think a prosecutor would throw a grand jury, not sure they would have a change of heart when it's their choice. And now we get to deal with malicious prosecutions, but with felonies. Yea!

A lot of the cynicism about the prosecutor cautioning they're at the mercy of getting a grand jury indictment is that these virtually always return a true bill because their purpose is to verify if there's some evidence the person did the thing they're accused of.

The defense has no place at it. The defenses case (self defense here) doesn't get presented. The prosecutor doesn't present all their evidence or all their case. They show they have some evidence a crime was committed (the guy with a hole in his head) and some evidence the person did it (the phone call stating he did). Any arguments for self defense are for the jury to decide at trial.

What seems to be happening lately though is that prosecutors have been having a suspiciously hard time getting grand jury indictments for police officers who kill people or for white dudes who kill/harm black people or left wing protestors. Almost as though they've been using closed door grand juries to deliberately throw the case so they can pretend they really wanted to take it to trial but schucks... couldn't get an indictment.

Making grand juries open, or requiring transcripts to be released showing exactly how hard prosecutors argued, might go some way to mitigating this.


Open grand juries is something I would support. While I understand the reasoning for keeping them secret, transparency to the public outweighs this, IMO.
 
2021-10-23 11:42:40 AM  

dark brew: webct_god: Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.

I was simply pointing out the law requires it, despite the lies being posted all over this thread. But, I'll bite...

And what do you propose?

Automatically go to trial? Great, now EVERYONE charged with a felony, even those charged by corrupt cops, has to go to trial.

Prosecutorial discretion? Well, if you think a prosecutor would throw a grand jury, not sure they would have a change of heart when it's their choice. And now we get to deal with malicious prosecutions, but with felonies. Yea!

I agree that in some instances prosecutors have done some questionable things to either benefit or hinder the accused. But simply requiring a GJ indictment by law has nothing to do with it.

Of course, all of this is irrelevant regarding this particular case, seeing as this hasn't reached a GJ yet. Unless you used your time machine to see that the prosecutor was, in fact, corrupt.

You used your time machine, didn't you? Damn it, you know that cause problems with spacetime.

You do realize grand juries aren't required in felony cases in about half of the states, right?  So this doesn't have to be a hypothetical about prosecutorial discretion.

I think some people here are rightly skeptical when the DA says it's up to the grand jury to indict.  There's a dead guy and a guy who admitted shooting him.  That's a slam dunk indictment if you want it.


And you realize this guy was accused of murder in Texas only, not in 'about half of the states', right?
People being skeptical about this case because it's going before a GJ as required by law is illogical.

And people accusing the prosecutor of corruption by letting this guy off behind a close door GJ proceeding that hasn't happened yet is petty and, well the norm on fark.
 
2021-10-23 11:55:51 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?

It probably helped that he turned himself in, making him seen as less of a flight risk.

He must have been parked there, how else would he have time to retrieve his gun, exit the house and chase down the car.

Well, it could have been parked along the sidewalk, and he's lying because he thinks he's allowed to murder people on his property.


He "turned himself in" 10-11 days after the incident and after enough of a fuss was raised about this.
After reading your comment, I'm wondering if he shot through the window without even confronting the guy.
I don't see any reason for breaking the window whatever the case, even if the guy is driving away, it doesn't make sense to break the window.

Now I'm guessing he walked up to the guy and shot him in the street without even asking him what he's doing there.
 
2021-10-23 12:05:08 PM  

capt.hollister: Since Dghoughi's shooting, over $27,000 has been raised to help his family hire an attorney and private investigator.

Has it reached the point where a private investigator is needed to makes sure justice is served ?


Reached? Its been there forever. The only reason those three rednecks in GA are being prosecuted for hunting down and murdering that black jogger are that the family enlisted outside assistance. In small town America, the Sheriff and local DA/judges are a posse thug racket protecting their own.
 
2021-10-23 12:07:04 PM  
Reminds me of something that happened in Georgia.
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2021-10-23 12:11:34 PM  
DNRTA:
it looks like Dr. Kimble does not have to try anymore...
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2021-10-23 12:26:46 PM  
"Turner told deputies he ran back to his bedroom, got his handgun and ran back outside."

Christmas morning in Texas is farked up.

/"ohboyohboyohboy"
 
2021-10-23 12:53:42 PM  
Imagine nothing for eternity. That's what the victim gets for being non-white. Farking amazing. Killer should hang - he'll get a medal.
 
2021-10-23 12:56:11 PM  

Resident Muslim: Ketchuponsteak: Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?

It probably helped that he turned himself in, making him seen as less of a flight risk.

He must have been parked there, how else would he have time to retrieve his gun, exit the house and chase down the car.

Well, it could have been parked along the sidewalk, and he's lying because he thinks he's allowed to murder people on his property.

He "turned himself in" 10-11 days after the incident and after enough of a fuss was raised about this.
After reading your comment, I'm wondering if he shot through the window without even confronting the guy.
I don't see any reason for breaking the window whatever the case, even if the guy is driving away, it doesn't make sense to break the window.

Now I'm guessing he walked up to the guy and shot him in the street without even asking him what he's doing there.


Oh, I got the impression he turned himself in the same day.

If it was 10-11 days later, then it definetly sounds like he was just going to pretend like nothing.

But then again, he also has 10-11 days to flee, and didn't. The potential outrage from my side is more about the racism, and well, why its made legal to shoot people. Ie., and boy have I got a lot of flak from this, I argued that of course Zimmerman had to walk, because that's the farking law.

I live in a country where you won't be released as long as you're in a position to sway witnesses. And where its only a question of the duration of the sentence, and that sentence is longer than the time till the sentencing, you won't be released prior to the trial, because, why should you?
 
2021-10-23 1:09:26 PM  
The article mentioned law enforcement serving several search warrants. Why do I have a horrible feeling they were searching for dirt on the victim to make this seem OK. Didn't they do something similar with Botham Jean when his neighbor (the off-duty cop) went to the wrong apartment and shot him while he was sitting eating ice cream?
 
2021-10-23 1:16:04 PM  

feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.


If someone broke into my house and I had a gun (I don't but if I did) and I was alone (my kids were away) my first instinct would be to get away if I could.  Go to a neighbour's.  Call the cops or even hide/wait somewhere.

I would prefer not to shoot someone even if they are stealing my property.  I have insurance for that and I don't want to shoot someone else's kid/husband/brother who is mentally ill or in such dire straights for other reasons.
 
2021-10-23 1:29:43 PM  

mrshowrules: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

If someone broke into my house and I had a gun (I don't but if I did) and I was alone (my kids were away) my first instinct would be to get away if I could.  Go to a neighbour's.  Call the cops or even hide/wait somewhere.

I would prefer not to shoot someone even if they are stealing my property.  I have insurance for that and I don't want to shoot someone else's kid/husband/brother who is mentally ill or in such dire straights for other reasons.


You need to stay out of Texas with that kinda bullshiat, y'huh.

/I agree
/I'd let them have the kids though.
 
2021-10-23 1:36:03 PM  

Brosephus: You would think that any notion of self-defense is destroyed when you chase someone down to kill them. However, this occurred in the state of Texas, and an older white man shot and killed a brown person.

I don't ever intend on setting foot within the state borders of Texas. I believe I would have to basically shoot dead any old white men to avoid getting shot myself. This world is farking nuts.


The world isn't nuts.  The US is.
 
2021-10-23 1:58:17 PM  

shadow9d9: Brosephus: You would think that any notion of self-defense is destroyed when you chase someone down to kill them. However, this occurred in the state of Texas, and an older white man shot and killed a brown person.

I don't ever intend on setting foot within the state borders of Texas. I believe I would have to basically shoot dead any old white men to avoid getting shot myself. This world is farking nuts.

The world isn't nuts.  The US is.


Russia, UK, Brazil, China, and a whole slew of "third world" countries are pretty nuts right now, along with the USA.
 
2021-10-23 2:05:13 PM  

Nirbo: mrshowrules: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

If someone broke into my house and I had a gun (I don't but if I did) and I was alone (my kids were away) my first instinct would be to get away if I could.  Go to a neighbour's.  Call the cops or even hide/wait somewhere.

I would prefer not to shoot someone even if they are stealing my property.  I have insurance for that and I don't want to shoot someone else's kid/husband/brother who is mentally ill or in such dire straights for other reasons.

You need to stay out of Texas with that kinda bullshiat, y'huh.

/I agree
/I'd let them have the kids though.


Well, at least the ugly one.
 
2021-10-23 3:17:23 PM  

Resident Muslim: Ketchuponsteak: Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?

It probably helped that he turned himself in, making him seen as less of a flight risk.

He must have been parked there, how else would he have time to retrieve his gun, exit the house and chase down the car.

Well, it could have been parked along the sidewalk, and he's lying because he thinks he's allowed to murder people on his property.

He "turned himself in" 10-11 days after the incident and after enough of a fuss was raised about this.
After reading your comment, I'm wondering if he shot through the window without even confronting the guy.
I don't see any reason for breaking the window whatever the case, even if the guy is driving away, it doesn't make sense to break the window.

Now I'm guessing he walked up to the guy and shot him in the street without even asking him what he's doing there.


If someone was walking towards me at 4am with a gun. I would try to flee also.

Seems in Texas that is also a reason to shoot someone before they get away and make the shot harder
 
2021-10-23 3:19:47 PM  

Another Government Employee: Marcus Aurelius: The best part is the DA is convening a Grand Jury on whom he can blame his failure to prosecute.

Nah. Grand Jury is the best place to sort out what level of Homicide is going to be appropriate.


Caldwell County is 75% white, 3/4 rural and majority Republican.
 
2021-10-23 3:35:46 PM  

webct_god: dark brew: webct_god: Marcus Aurelius: webct_god: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges

The DAs hands were tied.  You know how it is.

I was simply pointing out the law requires it, despite the lies being posted all over this thread. But, I'll bite...

And what do you propose?

Automatically go to trial? Great, now EVERYONE charged with a felony, even those charged by corrupt cops, has to go to trial.

Prosecutorial discretion? Well, if you think a prosecutor would throw a grand jury, not sure they would have a change of heart when it's their choice. And now we get to deal with malicious prosecutions, but with felonies. Yea!

I agree that in some instances prosecutors have done some questionable things to either benefit or hinder the accused. But simply requiring a GJ indictment by law has nothing to do with it.

Of course, all of this is irrelevant regarding this particular case, seeing as this hasn't reached a GJ yet. Unless you used your time machine to see that the prosecutor was, in fact, corrupt.

You used your time machine, didn't you? Damn it, you know that cause problems with spacetime.

You do realize grand juries aren't required in felony cases in about half of the states, right?  So this doesn't have to be a hypothetical about prosecutorial discretion.

I think some people here are rightly skeptical when the DA says it's up to the grand jury to indict.  There's a dead guy and a guy who admitted shooting him.  That's a slam dunk indictment if you want it.

And you realize this guy was accused of murder in Texas only, not in 'about half of the states', right?
People being skeptical about this case because it's going before a GJ as required by law is illogical.

And people accusing the prosecutor of corruption by letting this guy off behind a close door GJ proceeding that hasn't happened yet is petty and, well the norm on fark.


Has that guy who ran over the bicyclists been charged yet?
 
2021-10-23 5:13:19 PM  

rga184: dsmith42: Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

Usually that excuse only works for cops but it is Texas.

I remember a case years ago. Neighbor sees house allegedly getting robbed. Grabs his rifle and confronts suspected burglars. They attempt to flee. Both shot and killed by neighbor. No charges were filed. But in that case I think they were actually robbing the house.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

Holy crap.  He says "I'm gonna kill 'em" on the phone before killing them.  How does that not show intent?  He shot them in the back, he said he was going to kill them, and he still got off.


You can stop people committing felonies.

Maybe try not committing felonies in texas?
 
2021-10-23 5:14:24 PM  
This is THE case. The one that says ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU NERVOUS IS AN EXCUSE TO KILL.

If I were a Texas pig cop, I'd be terrified.

License, registration, proof of *POW*.

"He made me nervous."
GAVEL: dismissed, next case
 
2021-10-23 7:02:31 PM  

NevynFox: Resident Muslim: BizarreMan: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Stopped clock, or exception make the rule rules?

What do you two have against Fecking?

You know he rolls troll, right?


I think he's an honest believer.  Which is REALLY REALLY sad, as apparently outside of the right-wing derposphere, hes apparently pretty damn decent.
 
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