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2021-10-23 8:25:05 AM  

eswan: whosits_112: Ok, so, a casual Google search didn't really provide me with a reason why a grand jury is only used for some cases, but not for others.

Can any Farker tell me why they are only used sometimes?

Marcus Aurelius: The best part is the DA is convening a Grand Jury on whom he can blame his failure to prosecute.


I guess that's the "real" reason, but not the intended reason.
 
2021-10-23 8:25:42 AM  
Yeah, it's pretty sweet, being an old white guy in Texas.

Or it would be if I were a soulless, amoral monster like all my neighbors.
 
2021-10-23 8:26:04 AM  

whosits_112: Ok, so, a casual Google search didn't really provide me with a reason why a grand jury is only used for some cases, but not for others.

Can any Farker tell me why they are only used sometimes?


They are a requirement for capital cases on the federal level (5th amendment)
States can have their own rules
 
2021-10-23 8:29:05 AM  

whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.


I'm as shocked as anyone.
 
2021-10-23 8:30:02 AM  

Resident Muslim: /in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?


The article says that the victim was outside of his killer's driveway. I take that to mean that he was parked on the street in front of the house.
 
2021-10-23 8:30:15 AM  

whosits_112: Ker_Thwap: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

Imagine Adil Dghoughi was named Gabby Pettito and was a cute blonde girl.

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I originally was going with the quote from the book, but it was really long, and I don't watch movies, and forgot that memes exist, and a meme tells a thousand words.

But, yeah, that's what I was going for.
 
2021-10-23 8:30:50 AM  

BizarreMan: Gyrfalcon: Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?

There are any of a thousand reasons I can think of that are both farious and nefarious.

Maybe next time, call the cops and let them sort it out. Or just wait and see if the guy leaves, which is what I would do. Why was the shooter awake at 4 am locked and loaded protecting his driveway? What kind of maniac or meth dealer is up prowling around at 4 am?

But if you call the cops and let them sort it out, they will get the kill not you.


This is basically it.  A lot of these assholes spend their time at the gun range shooting at silhouettes of a person, all the while imagining it's somebody they hate.  They don't want the gun for self defense.  They want to gun to live out their fantasy of killing a "bad guy", and are just looking for a plausible enough "self defense" situation that allows them to do it.

Their distaste for gun control isn't about freedom.  It's just a threat to their potential ability to live out their fantasy. That's why they pack heat everywhere.  They're just hoping for that day when they can squeeze the trigger and get away with it.
 
2021-10-23 8:31:30 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.


I'm pretty sure that depends on state.
 
2021-10-23 8:32:02 AM  

feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.


If they're white, they're alright.
If they're brown, hunt them down.
If they're black, shoot them in the back.

It's the Texas way.
 
2021-10-23 8:32:54 AM  

NevynFox: Resident Muslim: BizarreMan: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Stopped clock, or exception make the rule rules?

What do you two have against Fecking?

You know he rolls troll, right?


or he's truly the angry old man yelling at clouds that we all think he is.
 
2021-10-23 8:39:36 AM  

whosits_112: Gyrfalcon: Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?

There are any of a thousand reasons I can think of that are both farious and nefarious.

Maybe next time, call the cops and let them sort it out. Or just wait and see if the guy leaves, which is what I would do. Why was the shooter awake at 4 am locked and loaded protecting his driveway? What kind of maniac or meth dealer is up prowling around at 4 am?

Well, the article did say that the dude woke up to use the toilet. Glanced out the window and saw the stranger's car in his driveway. To be fair, I would have freaked too. Yet I would have called the cops, not gone out in my skivvies and waving a gun around.


A long time ago, and lived in a neighborhood that had a number of car break-ins. One morning @ 4am, I was awakened by the sound of breaking glass and two guys talking. When I heard more breaking glass and the guys getting closer, I peeked out the window, but couldn't see anything....so I grabbed the phone ready to call 911 as soon as I saw them try to break in a car.

As I heard more breaking glass, it got ready to dial.... Only to see the 4am garbage truck come rolling over the hill. Felt appropriately stupid and went back to bed.

/end CSB
 
2021-10-23 8:41:19 AM  

puffy999: puffy999: Despite Turner's claims, the probable cause affidavit states no guns were found inside of Dghoughi's car

Texas???

Burn. In. Hell.

Err, I meant that as a statement TOWARD Texas.


I just assumed you were describing life in Texas with the theocratic narcissistic sociopaths in charge of the state.
 
2021-10-23 8:42:09 AM  
You should see the squealing when the white privilege is denied.   I remember when the cops rounded up a white motorcycle "club" in Texas a couple of years back and the members were crying that they didn't know it could happen in (white) America.
 
2021-10-23 8:44:52 AM  
Texas is a shiathole country. America would be better off if we ended immigration from Texas until we get a better handle on the situation.
 
2021-10-23 8:47:02 AM  

Resident Muslim: Circusdog320: Reverse the situation... could you imagine the outrage from the right

I can't reach that stage of imagination...I can't imagine a brown/black person bonding out like that and in less than a couple of hours from arrest. Probably walked in and was directly processed in and out without even seeing a jail cell.


/in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?


From previous articles the victim liked to drive around at night and listen/sing along to songs from his native country to release stress and not bother anyone.

The theory is that this area is notorious for it's bad cell reception and he was driving around trying to get a signal.

Oh, his car is a BMW. The choice of burglars everywhere.
 
2021-10-23 8:49:39 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Resident Muslim: /in the spirit of fairness, the article doesn't attempt to answer why the deceased was there in the first place.
//assuming he was in the driveway in the first place
///no security cameras in the area?

The article says that the victim was outside of his killer's driveway. I take that to mean that he was parked on the street in front of the house.


It says Turner confronted the car parked outside his driveway, but the timeline of events they describe has Dghoughi in the drive and reversing out when he was killed.
 
2021-10-23 8:49:47 AM  

Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

Usually that excuse only works for cops but it is Texas.


I am pretty sure that in most states, someone pointing a gun at you is grounds for you to assume that they have lethal intent on you and you may use any and all means necessary to protect your life.

I mean, it doesn't YET be legal for me to kill assholes in trucks who tailgate, but it is clear that anyone who points a gun at you intends to kill you.
 
2021-10-23 8:51:22 AM  
Ah yes, middle aged with the white goatee. It's like asshole regalia.
/thanks, farkers.
//i really wanted to grow out my beard this year.
 
2021-10-23 8:52:20 AM  
I would say "What the actual f**k?" but it is Texass. A darker skinned person coughs wrong and you can publicly execute them in Texass.
 
2021-10-23 8:53:58 AM  

Meatsim1: Stand your ground was always a license for murder


It was supposed to be that you can protect yourself without having to flee as far as you can.  For instance, in some states if an armed intruder broke into your house and yelled "I'm going to kill everyone in here" you have to retreat as far as you can in the house until you can't go anywhere else before you could shoot that person.
Stand your ground means if there are a threat you can kill them without having to run from your own home.  Or that's what it's supposed to mean. Apparently it's evolved into just straight up murder brown people who look at you too long because they might be thinking about raping your white daughter, and you can't be too careful now, can you?

Pulling into a driveway to look at Google maps because you got lost shouldn't be a death sentence. That guy needs to never see the outside of jail until he is 90 and then can no longer cope with how the world has changed so he hangs himself from the rafters of a halfway house.
 
2021-10-23 8:54:36 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.


Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.
 
2021-10-23 8:55:27 AM  
If I owned Texas and I owned Hell, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell.
 
2021-10-23 8:57:28 AM  

Mister Peejay: Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

Usually that excuse only works for cops but it is Texas.

I am pretty sure that in most states, someone pointing a gun at you is grounds for you to assume that they have lethal intent on you and you may use any and all means necessary to protect your life.

I mean, it doesn't YET be legal for me to kill assholes in trucks who tailgate, but it is clear that anyone who points a gun at you intends to kill you.


My comment is more in respect to the fact that he didn't have a gun. Cops have often used the excuse of "seeing a gun" to kill someone and then it turns out they didn't have a weapon or anything at all in their hands. Or if they did have something in their hands it was a phone or a snickers bar or a banana.
 
2021-10-23 8:57:49 AM  

Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,


The Boondocks He Got a Gun
Youtube hY5zuerWj_E
 
2021-10-23 9:01:05 AM  

resident dystopian: Ah yes, middle aged with the white goatee. It's like asshole regalia.
/thanks, farkers.
//i really wanted to grow out my beard this year.


Like this guy?
Fark user imageView Full Size

/from a thread yesterday
 
2021-10-23 9:03:25 AM  
I've had a guy go nuts on me for parking in front of his house to make a call. I put Parkway in my GPS instead of Road and ended up in the wrong spot. I didn't realize it so I pulled over to call the company to see what I did wrong. I wasn't sitting there 15 seconds and the dude just freaked out. People are crazy.
 
2021-10-23 9:04:09 AM  

resident dystopian: Ah yes, middle aged with the white goatee. It's like asshole regalia.
/thanks, farkers.
//i really wanted to grow out my beard this year.


Just grow out a full beard. No need to shave it into a mouthgina pattern.
 
2021-10-23 9:05:21 AM  

whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.


Are you new here? He says smarter things than 99% of the posers here.
 
2021-10-23 9:10:04 AM  

MythDragon: Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

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I really liked the show.
 
2021-10-23 9:11:13 AM  

Boo_Guy: resident dystopian: Ah yes, middle aged with the white goatee. It's like asshole regalia.
/thanks, farkers.
//i really wanted to grow out my beard this year.

Like this guy?
[Fark user image 398x278]
/from a thread yesterday


Nah, a bit more Jason Statham (after styling it) and less
SatanicNaziRapist.
/yeah, that dude's daddy never hugged him.
 
2021-10-23 9:14:06 AM  

eswan: whosits_112: Ok, so, a casual Google search didn't really provide me with a reason why a grand jury is only used for some cases, but not for others.

Can any Farker tell me why they are only used sometimes?

Marcus Aurelius: The best part is the DA is convening a Grand Jury on whom he can blame his failure to prosecute.


Calm down. Texas law requires a grand jury for a felony indictment. No super secret conspiracy.

Oh, and he was charged with murder and then bonded out. Meh. Sounds like the system worked as it was supposed to. At least so far.

What the hell do farkers expect? A summary execution on the streets, without a trial, days after?
 
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2021-10-23 9:16:10 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Are you new here? He says smarter things than 99% of the posers here.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-10-23 9:16:18 AM  

Private_Citizen: Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.

Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.


Say it with me: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges.

Should we use smaller words?
 
2021-10-23 9:17:53 AM  

Boo_Guy: Mister Peejay: Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

Usually that excuse only works for cops but it is Texas.

I am pretty sure that in most states, someone pointing a gun at you is grounds for you to assume that they have lethal intent on you and you may use any and all means necessary to protect your life.

I mean, it doesn't YET be legal for me to kill assholes in trucks who tailgate, but it is clear that anyone who points a gun at you intends to kill you.

My comment is more in respect to the fact that he didn't have a gun. Cops have often used the excuse of "seeing a gun" to kill someone and then it turns out they didn't have a weapon or anything at all in their hands. Or if they did have something in their hands it was a phone or a snickers bar or a banana.


Oh, of course.  And when the prosecution is all "Dude didn't have a gun", defense goes "Oh, uh, our bad", then the jury acquits because in Texas it's okay as long as at least the defendant is white.
 
2021-10-23 9:19:30 AM  

rga184: dsmith42: Boo_Guy: "He pointed a gun at me and I shot," Turner said,

Usually that excuse only works for cops but it is Texas.

I remember a case years ago. Neighbor sees house allegedly getting robbed. Grabs his rifle and confronts suspected burglars. They attempt to flee. Both shot and killed by neighbor. No charges were filed. But in that case I think they were actually robbing the house.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ho​rn_shooting_controversy

Holy crap.  He says "I'm gonna kill 'em" on the phone before killing them.  How does that not show intent?  He shot them in the back, he said he was going to kill them, and he still got off.


It is legal in Texas to use lethal force to defend your property.  If I recall, the only critical point in the case was whether or not the neighbor had asked him to watch his house.  If he did, the ability to defend his neighbors house would have been transferred to him.  If not, he was just a dude shooting people in the back.
 
2021-10-23 9:21:58 AM  
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Any state south of the 49th Parallel is a breading ground of tongue chomping Derp.
Any state considered "Southern US" or "Fly Over" or " Heartland" or "Bible Belt" should just be avoided at all costs.
It is fun to make jokes at the once greatest country on earth though
Lol
 
2021-10-23 9:22:32 AM  
Everything you need to know is in the article's description of the victim.

"Muslim Moroccan"

Do we say Christian German, Christian Australian, Christian Norwegian?  No we don't.  Because they are rarely brown and scary.

This was an execution by a classic American Racist.   There's at least 75 million of them out there, mostly in Texas and Florida.
 
2021-10-23 9:26:09 AM  

webct_god: Private_Citizen: Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.

Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.

Say it with me: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges.

Should we use smaller words?


Say it with me: A prosector can throw a case or prosecute a bad case by misleading the Grand Jury.

That's the issue - he gets to decide which cases go to trial, period.
 
2021-10-23 9:32:10 AM  

gilgigamesh: Look at that smug smirk in that mugshot.

It's the smirk of a man who knows he'll get away with it.


It's the smirk of a man who shot someone he knew about.  The articles haven't stated why the victim was there, and I suspect the victim was a process server or a collateral inspector sent out by a bank.  Those are both weekend gig jobs that pay decently but are dangerous because of crazy people.
 
2021-10-23 9:33:29 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Are you new here? He says smarter things than 99% of the posers here.


Negative, AlwaysWrongBoy.
 
2021-10-23 9:35:34 AM  

gilgigamesh: Look at that smug smirk in that mugshot.

It's the smirk of a man who knows he'll get away with it.


I fear you're right, but I hope it morphs into the before and after pics, like Derek Chauvin.
 
2021-10-23 9:36:25 AM  
"Fred Weber, the Caldwell County District Attorney, told The Daily Beast that Turner was charged with murder but it will be up to a grand jury to decide whether to indict him "

The fix is in. Grand juries are supposed to confirm there is some evidence a crime may have happened and some evidence that the accused did it. The prosecution doesn't lay out all their evidence. The defense doesn't even get to present their case. They are typically very short, very concise, administrative processes that last a few minutes.

The only way on earth a prosecutor would be concerned about securing an indictment in a case like this is if they're planning on running it as a trial behind closed doors where they present the Defense's case instead and then go "gosh darn it, we did what we could, out of our hands now" instead of actually having a public trial.
 
2021-10-23 9:36:29 AM  
"It's crazy that they are going to let this guy out on bail and he chased someone down and murdered them in the street. How in the hell is he out on bail? He is a threat to the entire community," Todd said.

Valid point.  What's the contention here, that he shouldn't have been released or that black people in his situation should also be released but aren't.
 
2021-10-23 9:40:59 AM  

Private_Citizen: webct_god: Private_Citizen: Gyrfalcon: Reek!: My internet law degree is out of date, but isn't it a requirement to get a grand jury indictment to prosecute a murder case?

No.

Only a handful of murder cases ever go to the grand jury. All that has to happen is for the DA to refer the case for trial. It usually only happens if the DA wants to be sure the case is solid, like if the defendant is high-profile or if the case turns on a novel or unusual interpretation of evidence.

Or the DA is looking to let the criminal go free. He can selectively present evidence and ignore others, and bias the jury any way he wants. It's widely known than a DA could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich. The flip side is a DA can also convince a Grave Jury to let a stone cold killer walk away Scott Free.

This DA is about to let the killer walk free, and his excuse is going to be that the GJ refused to indict.

Say it with me: Texas law requires a grand jury indictment for felony charges.

Should we use smaller words?

Say it with me: A prosector can throw a case or prosecute a bad case by misleading the Grand Jury.

That's the issue - he gets to decide which cases go to trial, period.


Those goalposts are quick little bastards.

Anyway, y'all were biatching about having to go to the grand jury. I just pointed out that it's the law, that's why. Now you're talking about a hypothetical corrupt prosecutor.

If that's the case, does the requirement of a grand jury indictment even matter? No.

Soooo....
 
2021-10-23 9:41:21 AM  
Same thing happened to the white boy who shot up Timberview high school two weeks ago. He was bullied, doncha know.
 
2021-10-23 9:42:24 AM  
A Muslim African in a non urban part of Texas? Dude didn't stand a chance.

/Algerian American that used to live in Texas, ain't going back.
 
2021-10-23 9:42:42 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Are you new here? He says smarter things than 99% of the posers here.


Guy I have favored in Trump orange makes excuses for another guy I have favored in trump orange.  BTW by attempting to claim he's better than 99% of the posters here, you just made yourself out to be a bigger idiot than he is.
 
2021-10-23 9:45:46 AM  

Hey Nurse!: I've had a guy go nuts on me for parking in front of his house to make a call. I put Parkway in my GPS instead of Road and ended up in the wrong spot. I didn't realize it so I pulled over to call the company to see what I did wrong. I wasn't sitting there 15 seconds and the dude just freaked out. People are crazy.


Which is why I always use a commercial parking lot to do that.
 
2021-10-23 9:49:56 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: whosits_112: feckingmorons: If you see a suspicious car in your driveway and you go out to talk to the driver and they drive away why would you chase them down, much less shoot them. Isn't the point just to make them go away?

We shouldn't kill people.

For once, you've said something not-stupid.

Are you new here? He says smarter things than 99% of the posers here.


Well, his Fark handle certainly checks out better than yours.
 
2021-10-23 9:50:43 AM  
I would really love to remove that smug little chimp-smirk from that guy's face. It just screams "Yeah, I killed me a negro and ain't nothin gonna happen."
 
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