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2021-10-22 11:54:06 PM  
So let me get this straight.  They were instructed to teach opposing viewpoints on The Holocaust, Civil Rights, The Civil War, Slavery, Women's Rights, but NOT on issues like Colonization and Manifest Destiny?

Hmmmmmmm.   What's the commonality for the first bunch of issues and differences with the second!  I wonder...
 
2021-10-23 1:21:16 AM  
She shouldn't have said "like"
 
2021-10-23 1:26:34 AM  
I don't mean that as a slight, I mean that as a word pattern issue. You may be able to hide your voice, but people may be able to pick up on who you are just by which words you use, and when.
 
2021-10-23 1:48:55 AM  

puffy999: I don't mean that as a slight, I mean that as a word pattern issue. You may be able to hide your voice, but people may be able to pick up on who you are just by which words you use, and when.


It depends on if people who wish her ill do and Dox her.  Then she probably has to move out of state, minimum, or just accept the inevitably of being verbally and possibly physically assaulted for years.  Not to mention Red State schools blacklisting her.
 
2021-10-23 1:51:44 AM  

Kris_Romm: puffy999: I don't mean that as a slight, I mean that as a word pattern issue. You may be able to hide your voice, but people may be able to pick up on who you are just by which words you use, and when.

It depends on if people who wish her ill do and Dox her.  Then she probably has to move out of state, minimum, or just accept the inevitably of being verbally and possibly physically assaulted for years.  Not to mention Red State schools blacklisting her.


Hell I was just thinking a teacher or coach recognizing her... What you suggest sadly is worse and also possible.
 
2021-10-23 4:04:29 AM  
I have no kids but I am fine with my taxes going to schools. that will change if they start teaching holocaust denying as a real thing,
I am really sick of having a 'balanced' debate involving science on one side and idiotic conspiracy theories on the other as if they have the same merit.
stop it.
 
2021-10-23 4:22:11 AM  

chucknasty: I have no kids but I am fine with my taxes going to schools. that will change if they start teaching holocaust denying as a real thing,
I am really sick of having a 'balanced' debate involving science on one side and idiotic conspiracy theories on the other as if they have the same merit.
stop it.


Republicans:
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2021-10-23 6:22:56 AM  
Well, the opposing viewpoint was that the Nazis were genocidal, invaders, and they lost a war fighting on multiple fronts.  *Looks around at the current Republican party and their sudden embracing of historical revisionism*, speaking of fighting on multiple fronts....

Incidentally you wanna know why Republicans can't become the Nazis and are instead doomimg themselves to fail? The Nazis actually gave a shiat about their people's survival if you weren't one of the oppressed minorities; they didn't parasitize them with corporate greed to leave them to die choking on viruses just for a grift, and their obsession with the fatherland and living space translated to ultimately being environmentalists.  In several ways, Republican damage over the last 60 years has, cumulatively, probably killed and will continue to kill more people worldwide than the Nazis ever did.

There's your farking opposing viewpoint.
 
2021-10-23 6:29:27 AM  
There are two possible opposing viewpoints to "The holocaust happened and was a horrific crime against humanity."  Either that it didn't happen...or that it did happen but it was a good thing.
 
2021-10-23 6:29:33 AM  
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2021-10-23 6:29:45 AM  
....... what the fark am I reading?
 
2021-10-23 6:38:46 AM  
We also need opposing viewpoints on science.

Let's oppose gravity, then we will be able to fly.
 
2021-10-23 6:39:32 AM  

puffy999: chucknasty: I have no kids but I am fine with my taxes going to schools. that will change if they start teaching holocaust denying as a real thing,
I am really sick of having a 'balanced' debate involving science on one side and idiotic conspiracy theories on the other as if they have the same merit.
stop it.

Republicans:
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I understand what you were going for, but don't use Steve for those assholes.
 
2021-10-23 6:42:23 AM  
"What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"
 
2021-10-23 6:44:01 AM  
These would be more fun if they disguised the reporter's voice too, and also cloaked them in shadows.  Keep the reporter's name on screen, but make it feel like we're attending a secret meeting of the IlumiFreeShriners.
 
2021-10-23 6:45:52 AM  
I think we should encourage them to publicly state what their "opposing viewpoint" of the Holocaust is -- if their curriculum is so vital they should be willing to share it with us all. Let us all bask in your genius. Shine the brightest light we can on the dumbest racists.

Here in PA the Republicans are trying to push a "public curriculum" law that would require every teacher to post their daily lesson plans on the school's website for "public review" -- y'know, so the same right-wing lunatics -- most of them not in the state, let alone school district -- who scream for kids to take masks off can now clutch their pearls and bleat "They's teachin' mah boy Curlumbus weren't no American hero!" and so everyone can carefully monitor who's teaching Critical Race Theory (as of today, being taught in none PA schools).
 
2021-10-23 6:47:07 AM  
They just can't wait to plunge into fascism, can they?
 
2021-10-23 6:47:21 AM  

Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"


I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?
 
2021-10-23 6:49:06 AM  

aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?


There aren't any.
 
2021-10-23 6:51:06 AM  

Valter: aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?

There aren't any.


Tell me that to challenge her to present those views would not be entertaining as hell.
 
2021-10-23 6:52:34 AM  

aagrajag: Valter: aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?

There aren't any.

Tell me that to challenge her to present those views would not be entertaining as hell.


It's an actual nazi. I don't find that entertaining at all.
 
2021-10-23 6:53:57 AM  

Valter: aagrajag: Valter: aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?

There aren't any.

Tell me that to challenge her to present those views would not be entertaining as hell.

It's an actual nazi. I don't find that entertaining at all.


For real? The newer ones normally aren't so open about such things.
 
2021-10-23 6:56:49 AM  

whosits_112: puffy999: chucknasty: I have no kids but I am fine with my taxes going to schools. that will change if they start teaching holocaust denying as a real thing,
I am really sick of having a 'balanced' debate involving science on one side and idiotic conspiracy theories on the other as if they have the same merit.
stop it.

Republicans:
[i.kym-cdn.com image 850x478]

I understand what you were going for, but don't use Steve for those assholes.


I scrolled back and un-funnied it because of your comment.
 
2021-10-23 6:56:52 AM  
God, its the 1800's all over again, complete with all the 'Civik War' nut baggery as well.

These people pushing this White's First mentality will not be satisfied until tgings become violent... ok, more violent
 
2021-10-23 6:57:16 AM  

LedLawless: There are two possible opposing viewpoints to "The holocaust happened and was a horrific crime against humanity."  Either that it didn't happen...or that it did happen but it was a good thing.


And the GQP is fine with either. Although I think they'd prefer the latter.

Keep voting for these f#ckers and IT WILL happen in the USA sooner or later.
 
2021-10-23 6:58:02 AM  

Valter: aagrajag: Valter: aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?

There aren't any.

Tell me that to challenge her to present those views would not be entertaining as hell.

It's an actual nazi. I don't find that entertaining at all.


Whoa whoa! You're not calling me a nazi are you?
 
2021-10-23 7:03:03 AM  
Fairness according to conservatives is 10 minutes for the Jews and 10 minutes for Hitler, in a debate animated by Goebbels
 
2021-10-23 7:03:39 AM  

Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"


He killed Hitler. Talk over.
 
2021-10-23 7:04:23 AM  

aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?


My post is supposed to be of a school admin when they told her to present opposing view points, that's why it's in quotes.

I suppose I could've been more clear on that.
 
2021-10-23 7:08:50 AM  
There are no legitimate "opposing views" of the Holocaust.

That teacher should be afraid of losing their job. For good reason.
 
2021-10-23 7:10:44 AM  

Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"


Whatever you say about Hitler, at least Hitler killed Hitler.
 
2021-10-23 7:10:54 AM  

Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"


My brother and his lawyer were having this exact conversation. "Nobody talks about the roads and other good things.... blah blah blah." The same brother who buried his Jewish stepfather 2 months ago and is still mourning the loss. I cannot wrap my brain around the mental disconnect.
 
2021-10-23 7:18:14 AM  

Jiggatron69: [Fark user image image 671x579]


Now, Homelander is a better representation for Republicans.
 
2021-10-23 7:18:17 AM  
I have a friend from Germany.  She's in her mid 70s, married to an American GI.  She will be the first to jump on ANYONE that tries to defend Nazis.  She gets absolutely spitting furious with Fox news and other history revisionists.

It's pretty comical to be with her and have some stranger be stupid around her.  She loves this country, she loves Germany, she loathes Nazis, and will fight you on all three fronts, at the same time.
 
2021-10-23 7:19:23 AM  
For a second there I wanted to take the opposing viewpoint that maybe it isnt the worst idea to teach both sides...... like, yeah, the Holocaust.  There is the belief that, the Holocaust happened and the Nazi were mass murdering fark heads. And the other side could be taught, that.... "the Jews were evil and eugenics.... superiority of the white race..."
But yeah..... even teaching that to adults would be fraught and maybe ...... maybe you could make an argument .... there could be an argument that showing the absurdity of "the other side" could be helpful in helping adults critically think. But no.... these are kids. End of story.
 
2021-10-23 7:20:00 AM  

cherryl taggart: I have a friend from Germany.  She's in her mid 70s, married to an American GI.  She will be the first to jump on ANYONE that tries to defend Nazis.  She gets absolutely spitting furious with Fox news and other history revisionists.

It's pretty comical to be with her and have some stranger be stupid around her.  She loves this country, she loves Germany, she loathes Nazis, and will fight you on all three fronts, at the same time.


Your friend sounds like a good woman.
 
2021-10-23 7:20:44 AM  

LedLawless: There are two possible opposing viewpoints to "The holocaust [snip for specificity] did happen but it was a good thing."


I was about to ask, "Has anyone really ever argued that?"

And then I sought through memory and realised, by damn, it has. The Hitler "did not go far enough" line is something I vaguely, vaguely, remember from the 1990s.

Not sure there's a book on it, though.
 
2021-10-23 7:26:40 AM  

Boo_Guy: Valter: aagrajag: Valter: aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?

There aren't any.

Tell me that to challenge her to present those views would not be entertaining as hell.

It's an actual nazi. I don't find that entertaining at all.

Whoa whoa! You're not calling me a nazi are you?


American Nazis - just like your garden variety white supremacist, just like your gaming cheaters, they don't disapprove (and may even tacitly approve) of what they do, they don't disapprove of others who do as they do, but don't call them those names because even they know that those carry social stigma.
 
2021-10-23 7:28:11 AM  
Teaching the opposing viewpoint:  "Some people don't believe the Holocaust happened.  Those people are stupid assholes.  You should avoid engaging them whenever possible"
 
2021-10-23 7:29:22 AM  

Zik-Zak: Boo_Guy: Valter: aagrajag: Valter: aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?

There aren't any.

Tell me that to challenge her to present those views would not be entertaining as hell.

It's an actual nazi. I don't find that entertaining at all.

Whoa whoa! You're not calling me a nazi are you?

American Nazis - just like your garden variety white supremacist, just like your gaming cheaters, they don't disapprove (and may even tacitly approve) of what they do, they don't disapprove of others who do as they do, but don't call them those names because even they know that those carry social stigma.


I'm not talking about you, Boo.

/it's the shiatfark who even brought up the idea of alternate viewpoints in the first damn place
 
2021-10-23 7:35:16 AM  

Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"


Is that you, Marge Schott?
 
2021-10-23 7:38:22 AM  
Could kinda go like this in Texas: "Well, the Holocaust did happen, which may be considered a good thing because it led to the creation of the 2nd Israel, which was needed for it to be destroyed during End Times, when Jesus comes back and saves teh faithful, as prophesized in teh Good Book!"
 
2021-10-23 7:40:08 AM  

LedLawless: There are two possible opposing viewpoints to "The holocaust happened and was a horrific crime against humanity."  Either that it didn't happen...or that it did happen but it was a good thing.


A guy I know asked me, "Don't you think it's strange that there's no massgraves at Auchweitz?".

The QAnon way is clearly that it didn't happen. It's the steel does not melt at those temperatures over again.

And no, I didn't tell him why there indeed aren't any mass Graves there, because it wouldn't make a difference.

I just til him no, because I have an education. Sadly, it sounds that's not an argument where they tell dissenting history.


Why can't the dissent ever be something fun?
 
2021-10-23 7:41:38 AM  

Boo_Guy: Valter: aagrajag: Valter: aagrajag: Boo_Guy: "What about all the good things Hitler did? Why does no one ever talk about that?"

I can't see the video, but what, exactly, is the different viewpoint she wishes to present?

There aren't any.

Tell me that to challenge her to present those views would not be entertaining as hell.

It's an actual nazi. I don't find that entertaining at all.

Whoa whoa! You're not calling me a nazi are you?


I can see that there is a bit of misunderstanding here.  The TEACHER is appalled that the powers that be interpret the requirement to present diverse points of view selectively.  She specifically says they were instructed to teach other POV about civil rights, civil war, the the holocaust etc.  Things not mentioned were things like the legacy of Columbus.  In other words, if conventional views run counter to far right dogma, present both sides equally.  If conventional views are in line with the far right, diversity is not required.
 
2021-10-23 7:45:06 AM  
HOT TAKE: maybe these 'diverse views' and 'alternative facts' are the GQP's form of 'hot takes', because they are addicted to validation (and likely social media) because without them, they know and fear that they are as interesting as mayonnaise.
 
2021-10-23 7:45:45 AM  

koder: Well, the opposing viewpoint was that the Nazis were genocidal, invaders, and they lost a war fighting on multiple fronts.  *Looks around at the current Republican party and their sudden embracing of historical revisionism*, speaking of fighting on multiple fronts....

Incidentally you wanna know why Republicans can't become the Nazis and are instead doomimg themselves to fail? The Nazis actually gave a shiat about their people's survival if you weren't one of the oppressed minorities; they didn't parasitize them with corporate greed to leave them to die choking on viruses just for a grift, and their obsession with the fatherland and living space translated to ultimately being environmentalists.  In several ways, Republican damage over the last 60 years has, cumulatively, probably killed and will continue to kill more people worldwide than the Nazis ever did.

There's your farking opposing viewpoint.


I'm not saying it's Nazi all the way down, but if it werent for that Allah guy, they would he furiously beating their meat if they could have religious police, slaves to build buildings, keep women locked at home, AND go around killin folk "who need killin" and them folks with those raindbow flags.

Nazis are pretty neat, but they LOVE the Russian government and think Iran has some pretty good ideas, too.

I think we shoupd diversify our anaologys. Ya'llqueda was a good start. GOPstapo works too.
 
2021-10-23 7:48:16 AM  

whosits_112: I understand what you were going for,


I don't.
 
2021-10-23 7:49:14 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: LedLawless: There are two possible opposing viewpoints to "The holocaust [snip for specificity] did happen but it was a good thing."

I was about to ask, "Has anyone really ever argued that?"

And then I sought through memory and realised, by damn, it has. The Hitler "did not go far enough" line is something I vaguely, vaguely, remember from the 1990s.

Not sure there's a book on it, though.


Unfortunately that's a fairly common discussion in some circles.  They even have tee shirts.
 
2021-10-23 7:57:54 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: LedLawless: There are two possible opposing viewpoints to "The holocaust [snip for specificity] did happen but it was a good thing."

I was about to ask, "Has anyone really ever argued that?"

And then I sought through memory and realised, by damn, it has. The Hitler "did not go far enough" line is something I vaguely, vaguely, remember from the 1990s.

Not sure there's a book on it, though.


Yeah, dude at the insurrection had this on.
6MWE = "6 million wasn't enough."

It's still going on today.

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2021-10-23 7:59:49 AM  

flondrix: whosits_112: I understand what you were going for,

I don't.


In that scene, Captain America (Steve Rogers) says, "No. No I don't think I will," when asked by his friend, "Are you going to tell me about her?" when he sees the wedding band on his finger.

Puffy wanted to use the image to convey Republicans saying no.
 
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