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2021-10-22 11:17:27 PM  
Was he e-mailing Bruce Allen?
 
2021-10-23 1:55:38 AM  
Is "mounts" really the verb they needed to use there?
 
2021-10-23 2:55:47 AM  

skinnycatullus: Is "mounts" really the verb they needed to use there?


Well someone's bound to get farked...
 
2021-10-23 3:15:28 AM  
So if Donald Sterling is an example, he'll be ousted in a couple decades, die, and still the franchise won't have a ring?
 
2021-10-23 3:37:04 AM  
Before anyone asks "How can they kick him out," here's the chief provisions from the NBA's Constitution and Bylaws...

Article 13
Termination of Ownership or Membership

The Membership of a Member or the interest of any Owner may be terminated by a vote of three-fourths (3/4) of the Board of Governors if the Member or Owner shall do or suffer any of the following:
(a) Willfully violate any of the provisions of the Constitution and By-Laws, resolutions, or agreements of the Association.
(b) Transfer or attempt to transfer a Membership or an interest in a Member without complying with the provisions of Article 5.
(c) Fail to pay any dues or other indebtedness owing to the Association within thirty (30) days after Written Notice from the Commissioner of default in such payment.
(d) Fail or refuse to fulfill its contractual obligations to the Association, its Members, Players, or any other third party in such a way as to affect the Association or its Members adversely.
(e) Wager or countenance wagering by its officers or employees on any game in which a Team operated by a Member of the Association participates.
(f) Willfully permit open betting, pool selling, or any other form of gambling upon any premises owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the Member or an Owner, except, subject to Article 8(a), for gambling activities that are lawful in the applicable jurisdiction and do not involve in any way, directly or indirectly, gambling with respect to any aspect of the Association's games, events, property, players, or other personnel.
(g) Offer, agree, conspire, or attempt to lose or control the score of any game participated in by a Team operated by a Member of the Association, or fail to suspend immediately any officer or any Player or other employee of the Member who shall be found guilty, in a court of law or in any hearing sanctioned by this Constitution and By-Laws, of offering, agreeing, conspiring, or attempting to lose or control the score of any such game or of being interested in any pool or wager on any game in which a Team operated by a Member of the Association participates.
(h) Disband its Team during the Season, dissolve its business, or cease its operation.
(i) Willfully fail to present its Team at the time and place it is scheduled to play in an Exhibition, Regular Season, or Playoff Game.
(j) Willfully misrepresent any material fact contained in its application for Membership in the Association.

Article 14
Procedure for Termination

The Membership of a Member or the interest of any Owner shall be terminated on the occurrence of any of the events described in Article 13 by the following procedure:
(a) Any Member of the Association or the Commissioner may charge that a Member or Owner has violated one (1) or more of the provisions of Article 13. Said charge shall be made in Writing and shall be filed with the Commissioner, who shall, no later than three (3) business days after the charges are filed, cause a copy thereof to be served by a Writing upon the Member or Owner against whom such charges have been made.
(b) The Member or Owner so charged shall, within five (5) days after receipt of the charges, file with the Commissioner its written answer thereto. The Commissioner shall thereupon transmit said charges and answer to each of the Governors of the Association and shall call a special meeting of the Governors to hear the charges, to be held on a date not more than ten (10) days after the filing of a Member's or Owner's answer, due notice to be given.
(c) Willful failure by a Member or Owner so charged to answer the charges during such five (5) day period or to appear at the hearing shall be deemed an admission by said Member or Owner of the total validity of the charges as presented.
(d) At such hearing, the Chairman of the Board of Governors shall be the presiding officer, except that if the Chairman of the Board of Governors represents either the complaining Member or the Member charged, then the Commissioner shall designate an alternate Chairman for purposes of the hearing.
(e) At the hearing, the Member or Owner so charged shall have the right to be represented by counsel. Strict rules of evidence shall not apply, and all relevant and material evidence submitted prior to and at the hearing may be received and considered.
(f) After duly considering all the evidence, the Board of Governors shall vote upon the proposition that the charges have been sustained in whole or in part. The affirmative vote of three-fourths (3/4) of all the Governors shall be required to sustain the charges.
(g) If, by a three-fourths (3/4) vote, the Board of Governors votes to sustain the charges, the Membership of the guilty Member or the Member in which the guilty Owner has an interest shall automatically be terminated, unless, following a motion duly made and seconded, two-thirds (2/3) of all the Governors vote instead to terminate the ownership interest of the guilty Owner or to invoke the provisions of Article 15.
(h) Notwithstanding Article 14(g) above, in the case of a violation of Article 13 by an Owner who has an interest of ten percent (10%) or less in, and does not have effective control over, a Member, the Membership of such Member may not be terminated solely because of such Owner's violation. In such case, if the charges are sustained against such Owner by a three-fourths (3/4) vote of the Board of Governors, the ownership interest of that Owner shall be automatically terminated unless, following a motion duly made and seconded, two-thirds (2/3) of all the Governors vote to invoke the provisions of Article 15.
(i) If any Membership or interest of an Owner shall be terminated pursuant to this Article 14, the provisions of Article 14A shall apply.
(j) The decisions of the Association made in accordance with the foregoing procedure shall be final, binding, and conclusive, and each Member and Owner waives any and all recourse to any court of law to review any such decision.

Is it likely this happens?  No.

Is this process even legal?  It's a question.  The only times a league attempted to actually enforce it, it resulted in (a) the formation of the NHL, over a century ago, when everybody but the owner they wanted to kick out leaving the NHA to form it, and (b) lawsuits galore, both in that case and one involving a women's soccer league; the owner of the kicked out team died before it was resolved in court, however.

Donald Sterling was prepared to litigate, and one which the NBA was uncertain enough about not to follow through on, allowing him to sell and cash out rather than terminate his NBA membership/franchise.  This case could take the same path.
 
2021-10-23 3:53:43 AM  
Wonder what he did if he's already tryna get ahead of it. Can't be good.
 
2021-10-23 4:25:23 AM  

TheJoe03: Wonder what he did if he's already tryna get ahead of it. Can't be good.


*numerous widespread accusations*

Rich guy: "I did NOT use such slurs!"

Everyone else: "Err, yeah, we'll get to that later... how about all the other crazy racist shiat?"
 
2021-10-23 7:18:13 AM  
Rich old white man acts like rich old white man, more on this story at 11
 
2021-10-23 9:06:59 AM  
You know it's gonna be a good time when the team releases a PR statement denying the story before the story's published.
 
2021-10-23 10:18:14 AM  
So here's the talk out of Phoenix, based on reporting from insiders (albeit, insiders who work for the radio station that's aired Suns games since forever) and interviews that were done on Friday:

- At least 50 people were interviewed for the story
- The story has been worked for at least a year
- Two of the people interviewed who go on the record are a former head coach and former GM, both of whom were fired (sour grapes alert there)
- One of the details being alleged is that Sarver said things attacking a female NBA team owner, with some believing that he views them as beneath him

Now, I am not someone who would defend the Suns owner for two reasons. One is that my nickname for him is "cheap ass motherf**ker," a name that seems others are picking up on after the Suns didn't give a contract extension to their former #1 draft pick Ayton.

The other is that I had a family member who worked security on the floor for Suns games and saw Sarver's excessively hot temper on many occasions. They witnessed him swearing at people, belittling people, and more; though they never witnessed him being racist, sexist, or sexually harassing anyone. I talked to them last night and they said that many people who worked in the Suns offices have quit under him for various reasons. That person worked until quitting during last summer's NBA Finals because they took the entire season off due to Covid restrictions on staff until late in the playoffs (after getting vaxxed) and they couldn't stand the massive dysfunction going on there and there were others who left at the same time.

Would it surprise me if the accusations in the story to come out are at least partially true? No. It fits a pattern with him. But I still want to see the details before jumping to any final conclusions.
 
2021-10-23 11:03:36 AM  
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the historically cheap owner probably has a decent track record of "comments" at the points where his cheapness is on full display and being criticized.
 
2021-10-23 11:26:33 AM  

desertgeek: So here's the talk out of Phoenix, based on reporting from insiders (albeit, insiders who work for the radio station that's aired Suns games since forever) and interviews that were done on Friday:

- At least 50 people were interviewed for the story
- The story has been worked for at least a year
- Two of the people interviewed who go on the record are a former head coach and former GM, both of whom were fired (sour grapes alert there)
- One of the details being alleged is that Sarver said things attacking a female NBA team owner, with some believing that he views them as beneath him

Now, I am not someone who would defend the Suns owner for two reasons. One is that my nickname for him is "cheap ass motherf**ker," a name that seems others are picking up on after the Suns didn't give a contract extension to their former #1 draft pick Ayton.

The other is that I had a family member who worked security on the floor for Suns games and saw Sarver's excessively hot temper on many occasions. They witnessed him swearing at people, belittling people, and more; though they never witnessed him being racist, sexist, or sexually harassing anyone. I talked to them last night and they said that many people who worked in the Suns offices have quit under him for various reasons. That person worked until quitting during last summer's NBA Finals because they took the entire season off due to Covid restrictions on staff until late in the playoffs (after getting vaxxed) and they couldn't stand the massive dysfunction going on there and there were others who left at the same time.

Would it surprise me if the accusations in the story to come out are at least partially true? No. It fits a pattern with him. But I still want to see the details before jumping to any final conclusions.


I didn't even know who the Suns owner was until just now. I watch, read, and listen to a lot of sports related media and maybe I just missed it but I've never heard even a peep about this guy until now. Seems like if he was so awful, it would be known and they would be talking about it, even if only occasionally.

Maybe it's just not talked about nationally because it's the Suns and no on cares but as much as people seem to love to try and bring down these owners, it just seems odd I haven't heard even a peep about it until now.
 
2021-10-23 11:41:10 AM  

abhorrent1: Maybe it's just not talked about nationally because it's the Suns and no on cares but as much as people seem to love to try and bring down these owners, it just seems odd I haven't heard even a peep about it until now.


Yeah, no one cares about Arizona teams until they have a reason to.
 
2021-10-23 12:32:58 PM  

desertgeek: - One of the details being alleged is that Sarver said things attacking a female NBA team owner, with some believing that he views them as beneath him


Now this all makes sense.  You're allowed to be a piece of shiat to your minions to a point.  But the bridge too far is a lot easier to reach when it's another rich owner.
 
2021-10-23 1:10:35 PM  

abhorrent1: I didn't even know who the Suns owner was until just now. I watch, read, and listen to a lot of sports related media and maybe I just missed it but I've never heard even a peep about this guy until now. Seems like if he was so awful, it would be known and they would be talking about it, even if only occasionally.

Maybe it's just not talked about nationally because it's the Suns and no on cares but as much as people seem to love to try and bring down these owners, it just seems odd I haven't heard even a peep about it until now.


Huh. I've known about this stuff for years. Usually from out of the mouths of former employees. Sarver usually skates by because it's Phoenix and he's not really in the spotlight there.
 
2021-10-23 1:20:35 PM  
Meanwhile, Dan Snyder is openly laughing as he burns another NFL investigation document.
 
2021-10-23 1:44:02 PM  

baorao: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the historically cheap owner probably has a decent track record of "comments" at the points where his cheapness is on full display and being criticized.


He's notoriously cheap, doesn't want to pay his players.  Left in place, his very good team will fall apart.  So people are going after him.

Not saying he doesn't deserve it, I can't stand the guy.  He was clearly an awful person, even before this stuff started leaking out.  But I think there'll an agenda at work here, and this is a takedown attempt.  I'm here for it.
 
2021-10-23 1:44:54 PM  

Naido: baorao: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the historically cheap owner probably has a decent track record of "comments" at the points where his cheapness is on full display and being criticized.

He's notoriously cheap, doesn't want to pay his players.  Left in place, his very good team will fall apart.  So people are going after him.

Not saying he doesn't deserve it, I can't stand the guy.  He was clearly an awful person, even before this stuff started leaking out.  But I think there'll an agenda at work here, and this is a takedown attempt.  I'm here for it.


There's, not there'll
 
2021-10-23 2:00:38 PM  
Owner of Phoenix Suns to be "forcibly removed"

What did Giannis Antetokounmpo do???
 
2021-10-23 4:27:06 PM  

desertgeek: Now, I am not someone who would defend the Suns owner for two reasons. One is that my nickname for him is "cheap ass motherf**ker," a name that seems others are picking up on after the Suns didn't give a contract extension to their former #1 draft pick Ayton.


See, I don't know if he deserves the label for that... Let me be honest, Ayton isn't worth what he thinks he is. Not that he won't get a contract elsewhere... but he's no Luca or Trae.

OTHER THINGS, sure.
 
2021-10-23 4:27:52 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Owner of Phoenix Suns to be "forcibly removed"

What did Giannis Antetokounmpo do???


Well, per NBA rules, you can't technically be a player and part-owner of a team.
 
2021-10-23 4:51:22 PM  

puffy999: desertgeek: Now, I am not someone who would defend the Suns owner for two reasons. One is that my nickname for him is "cheap ass motherf**ker," a name that seems others are picking up on after the Suns didn't give a contract extension to their former #1 draft pick Ayton.

See, I don't know if he deserves the label for that... Let me be honest, Ayton isn't worth what he thinks he is. Not that he won't get a contract elsewhere... but he's no Luca or Trae.

OTHER THINGS, sure.


Believe me, there's plenty of reasons for that nickname that I'm not covering.
 
2021-10-23 9:50:50 PM  

desertgeek: So here's the talk out of Phoenix, based on reporting from insiders (albeit, insiders who work for the radio station that's aired Suns games since forever) and interviews that were done on Friday:

- At least 50 people were interviewed for the story
- The story has been worked for at least a year
- Two of the people interviewed who go on the record are a former head coach and former GM, both of whom were fired (sour grapes alert there)
- One of the details being alleged is that Sarver said things attacking a female NBA team owner, with some believing that he views them as beneath him

Now, I am not someone who would defend the Suns owner for two reasons. One is that my nickname for him is "cheap ass motherf**ker," a name that seems others are picking up on after the Suns didn't give a contract extension to their former #1 draft pick Ayton.

The other is that I had a family member who worked security on the floor for Suns games and saw Sarver's excessively hot temper on many occasions. They witnessed him swearing at people, belittling people, and more; though they never witnessed him being racist, sexist, or sexually harassing anyone. I talked to them last night and they said that many people who worked in the Suns offices have quit under him for various reasons. That person worked until quitting during last summer's NBA Finals because they took the entire season off due to Covid restrictions on staff until late in the playoffs (after getting vaxxed) and they couldn't stand the massive dysfunction going on there and there were others who left at the same time.

Would it surprise me if the accusations in the story to come out are at least partially true? No. It fits a pattern with him. But I still want to see the details before jumping to any final conclusions.


The damage control and coddling of franchises demands are one reason I wish there was a better alternative to 98.7 than the three other competing sports stations in town.
 
2021-10-24 2:20:49 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Meanwhile, Dan Snyder is openly laughing as he burns another NFL investigation document.


This.gif

/sigh
 
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