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(YouTube) Video Van Halen's Jump, but in a minor key. It's actually a decent listen, so might as well go aeolian   (youtube.com) divider line
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2021-10-23 1:23:55 AM  
That gave me a seizure, and I haven't felt that awful since I watched that Ronald Reagan film.
 
2021-10-23 3:53:44 AM  
david lee roth running with the devil (vocals only) 1978
Youtube IArxakPsPE0
 
2021-10-23 4:18:09 AM  
Sounds like the theme to a cheesy A-Team knock-off TV show.
 
2021-10-23 4:20:14 AM  
I prefer the country version
Vank Walen - "Your Jumpin' Heart"
Youtube fZ6bli9Xir4
 
2021-10-23 4:51:19 AM  
It's certainly better but that synth still makes me want to skip it.
 
2021-10-23 4:55:27 AM  

invictus2: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/IArxakPs​PE0]


Classic.  At first it's funny, and then you realize what a good lead singer he was.... always 110%.
 
2021-10-23 5:00:46 AM  
It's like Coke Zero or high fiber Cheerios. It's perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with it at all. Some may even prefer it. But still...
 
2021-10-23 5:05:07 AM  
Underwheling at best.
 
2021-10-23 5:05:42 AM  
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2021-10-23 5:23:39 AM  
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2021-10-23 7:27:31 AM  

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: invictus2: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/IArxakPs​PE0]

Classic.  At first it's funny, and then you realize what a good lead singer he was.... always 110%.


So true.  Lots of bands right in that early to mid 80's rock genre had lead singers with that combination of range, quality, volume, and effort.  Lots of empty cheese in that time, though.

/We're gonna rock you with the noize!
 
2021-10-23 8:12:39 AM  

invictus2: [YouTube video: david lee roth running with the devil (vocals only) 1978]


Awesome to know that Bobcat Goldthwait could have been the lead singer of Van Halen.
 
2021-10-23 8:33:10 AM  
That sounded like an hours of TV version of Jump.
 
2021-10-23 9:21:17 AM  
Oh man... The jazz based guitar solo cracked me up
 
2021-10-23 9:34:59 AM  
Ehh, sounded more Dorian to me

/didn't listen, actually
//VH is one of my favorite bands but Jump is easily one of my least favorite songs
 
2021-10-23 12:15:04 PM  
It isn't a decent listen. It sounds like a bad cover band.
 
2021-10-23 12:24:05 PM  

H31N0US: Ehh, sounded more Dorian to me

/didn't listen, actually
//VH is one of my favorite bands but Jump is easily one of my least favorite songs


Of course it's one of your least favorite.  It's the same as "I was made for loving you" by Kiss (though much better of course), an attempt to cash in on what was popular in music at the time.  So it didn't sound anything like Van Halen.
 
2021-10-23 12:27:00 PM  
If by "better", you mean literally make me want to Jump off a building, then yeah, "better".
 
2021-10-23 12:47:30 PM  
Can some music-nerd give us non-music-inclined-types a quick word on what a "minor key" is?

/kthxbye
 
2021-10-23 1:22:12 PM  

Fursecution: Can some music-nerd give us non-music-inclined-types a quick word on what a "minor key" is?

/kthxbye


There are seven notes in a diatonic major scale: Doh re mi fa so la ti...and then doh would be the octave. If you have ever seen The Sound of Music, that's what the major scale is. In musical terms, "doh" is the root, "re" is the 2nd, "mi" is the 3rd, and so on. Straightforward.

Each octave has 12 notes, or "half steps". A "Half Step" is one note up or down. A "Whole Step" is two notes.

Note there are seven notes in the major scale, but 12 notes between octaves. So we don't use every possible note: we only use about half of them. The diatonic major scale, in terms of steps, is like this

(1st) Root, (2nd) whole step, (3rd) whole step, (4th) half step, (5th) whole step, (6th) whole step, (7th) whole step, then a half step back to the root octave.

Since there are 7 notes, there are seven "modes" to the scale, and they are implemented by changing the order of whole steps and half steps between the root and the octave. There are three Major modes, and three minor modes. The Major modes are Ionian (root), Lydian (fourth), and Mixolydian (fifth). The minor modes are Dorian (second), Phrygian (3rd), and Aeolian (6th). There is a seventh mode that's neither, Locrian, which is an interesting and really cool transitional mode.

Anyway:

The third note is what changes Major to minor. If that note is flat, or one half step lower, it changes the whole sound from upbeat to somber. It is fascinating, but to the best of my knowledge, though this discussion is biased towards Western music, the same holds true in all other systems. It's physics.

Aeolian is the natural minor mode. To change from the Ionian to the Aeolian mode, one needs to flat the third (by default), sixth, and seventh, so the scalar progression goes

root, whole, half, whole, whole, half, whole.

Dorian is the same, except the sixth isn't flat. It is called the "happy minor" because though the the third is flat, the natural sixth brings the mood back up.

Phrygian is the same as Aeolian but the 2nd is flat, yielding an ominous sound - this is the mode that features prominently in horror movie sound tracks.

Music theory is not as hard as it seems at first, and there are dozens of high quality vids on the Tube that explain it. Start with Rick Beato.
 
2021-10-23 1:36:37 PM  
Further to my hackish explain above.

Music Theory Lecture - What Every Pro Musician Needs To Know
Youtube T5SmcH11kUk
 
2021-10-23 1:47:50 PM  
Aztec Camera - Jump
Youtube COtZZmWKcRI
 
2021-10-23 2:09:15 PM  
I heard it. I can't unhear it.

Now I need to cleanse the palate.
 
2021-10-23 2:13:04 PM  
Paul Anka - Jump
Youtube HlMq8DImlTI
 
2021-10-23 2:35:01 PM  
Oh my god no.
 
2021-10-23 2:37:01 PM  
Sure, if you mean a decent soundtrack to a nightmare.
 
2021-10-23 3:21:41 PM  

H31N0US: Fursecution: Can some music-nerd give us non-music-inclined-types a quick word on what a "minor key" is?

/kthxbye

There are seven notes in a diatonic major scale: Doh re mi fa so la ti...and then doh would be the octave. If you have ever seen The Sound of Music, that's what the major scale is. In musical terms, "doh" is the root, "re" is the 2nd, "mi" is the 3rd, and so on. Straightforward.

Each octave has 12 notes, or "half steps". A "Half Step" is one note up or down. A "Whole Step" is two notes.

Note there are seven notes in the major scale, but 12 notes between octaves. So we don't use every possible note: we only use about half of them. The diatonic major scale, in terms of steps, is like this

(1st) Root, (2nd) whole step, (3rd) whole step, (4th) half step, (5th) whole step, (6th) whole step, (7th) whole step, then a half step back to the root octave.

Since there are 7 notes, there are seven "modes" to the scale, and they are implemented by changing the order of whole steps and half steps between the root and the octave. There are three Major modes, and three minor modes. The Major modes are Ionian (root), Lydian (fourth), and Mixolydian (fifth). The minor modes are Dorian (second), Phrygian (3rd), and Aeolian (6th). There is a seventh mode that's neither, Locrian, which is an interesting and really cool transitional mode.

Anyway:

The third note is what changes Major to minor. If that note is flat, or one half step lower, it changes the whole sound from upbeat to somber. It is fascinating, but to the best of my knowledge, though this discussion is biased towards Western music, the same holds true in all other systems. It's physics.

Aeolian is the natural minor mode. To change from the Ionian to the Aeolian mode, one needs to flat the third (by default), sixth, and seventh, so the scalar progression goes

root, whole, half, whole, whole, half, whole.

Dorian is the same, except the sixth isn't flat. It is called the "happy minor" because though the the third is flat, the natural sixth brings the mood back up.

Phrygian is the same as Aeolian but the 2nd is flat, yielding an ominous sound - this is the mode that features prominently in horror movie sound tracks.

Music theory is not as hard as it seems at first, and there are dozens of high quality vids on the Tube that explain it. Start with Rick Beato.


All you had to say was *major chord middle note is one higher than minor, minor chord sounds kind of sad, major doesn't*, for the purposes of a Fark thread about a home made Van Halen cover version surely that would have sufficed.
 
2021-10-23 3:25:36 PM  

H31N0US: The third note is what changes Major to minor. If that note is flat, or one half step lower, it changes the whole sound from upbeat to somber


I did indeed feel miserable having started to watch this.

Impressive, though, is that the creator determinedly decided to excite such misery for over three years.
 
2021-10-23 3:32:25 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: H31N0US: The third note is what changes Major to minor. If that note is flat, or one half step lower, it changes the whole sound from upbeat to somber

I did indeed feel miserable having started to watch this.

Impressive, though, is that the creator determinedly decided to excite such misery for over three years.


I too started watching it but someone's mom walked in and I had to switch to porn real fast
 
2021-10-23 3:37:36 PM  

Bobson Dugnutt: Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: invictus2: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/IArxakPs​PE0]

Classic.  At first it's funny, and then you realize what a good lead singer he was.... always 110%.

I love that dual pitch thing (lack of a better phrase) he does when he screams.  One of the great vocalists in the 80s.


Dyad
 
2021-10-23 3:38:16 PM  

LewDux: I too started watching it but someone's mom walked in and I had to switch to porn real fast


At least you both had a good time.
 
2021-10-23 3:46:36 PM  

El Rich-o: H31N0US: Fursecution: Can some music-nerd give us non-music-inclined-types a quick word on what a "minor key" is?

/kthxbye

There are seven notes in a diatonic major scale: Doh re mi fa so la ti...and then doh would be the octave. If you have ever seen The Sound of Music, that's what the major scale is. In musical terms, "doh" is the root, "re" is the 2nd, "mi" is the 3rd, and so on. Straightforward.

Each octave has 12 notes, or "half steps". A "Half Step" is one note up or down. A "Whole Step" is two notes.

Note there are seven notes in the major scale, but 12 notes between octaves. So we don't use every possible note: we only use about half of them. The diatonic major scale, in terms of steps, is like this

(1st) Root, (2nd) whole step, (3rd) whole step, (4th) half step, (5th) whole step, (6th) whole step, (7th) whole step, then a half step back to the root octave.

Since there are 7 notes, there are seven "modes" to the scale, and they are implemented by changing the order of whole steps and half steps between the root and the octave. There are three Major modes, and three minor modes. The Major modes are Ionian (root), Lydian (fourth), and Mixolydian (fifth). The minor modes are Dorian (second), Phrygian (3rd), and Aeolian (6th). There is a seventh mode that's neither, Locrian, which is an interesting and really cool transitional mode.

Anyway:

The third note is what changes Major to minor. If that note is flat, or one half step lower, it changes the whole sound from upbeat to somber. It is fascinating, but to the best of my knowledge, though this discussion is biased towards Western music, the same holds true in all other systems. It's physics.

Aeolian is the natural minor mode. To change from the Ionian to the Aeolian mode, one needs to flat the third (by default), sixth, and seventh, so the scalar progression goes

root, whole, half, whole, whole, half, whole.

Dorian is the same, except the sixth isn't flat. It is called the "happy minor" because though the the third is flat, the natural sixth brings the mood back up.

Phrygian is the same as Aeolian but the 2nd is flat, yielding an ominous sound - this is the mode that features prominently in horror movie sound tracks.

Music theory is not as hard as it seems at first, and there are dozens of high quality vids on the Tube that explain it. Start with Rick Beato.

All you had to say was *major chord middle note is one higher than minor, minor chord sounds kind of sad, major doesn't*, for the purposes of a Fark thread about a home made Van Halen cover version surely that would have sufficed.


But then we would've missed out on your invaluable contribution to the thread.

And mine, apparently.
 
2021-10-23 4:24:36 PM  
I enjoyed it, but watching it made me realize what utter jackholes they looked like in that video.
 
2021-10-23 4:28:51 PM  

Fursecution: Can some music-nerd give us non-music-inclined-types a quick word on what a "minor key" is?

/kthxbye


So in Western music there tend to be two scale forms, major and minor. Scales have seven notes ("degrees"), and major and minor differ primarily on the third scale degree. In major keys, it's slightly higher; our social conditioning makes us recognize chors built on that higher "major" degree as "happy/bright" and ones built on the lower "minor" degree as "sad/dark."

On a related note, making a major version of a minor-key song or vice versa isn't anywhere near as simple as "just change that one note throughout and you're good." Relationships between chords are significantly different in major keys versus minor, and keeping the music well constructed across that transition can require a lot more revisions than is obvious.
 
2021-10-23 4:57:11 PM  
If they'd have stuck that version in a movie from around then, it probably would have sold just as well.  Not a good movie, mind you, more like a "thinking man's action movie".
 
2021-10-23 5:02:57 PM  
Decent like rusty nails on a blackboard decent.
 
2021-10-23 5:10:07 PM  

DaWormyPimpsta: I heard it. I can't unhear it.

Now I need to cleanse the palate.


Great googly moogly
 
2021-10-23 5:12:20 PM  

Bobson Dugnutt: Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: invictus2: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/IArxakPs​PE0]

Classic.  At first it's funny, and then you realize what a good lead singer he was.... always 110%.

I love that dual pitch thing (lack of a better phrase) he does when he screams.  One of the great vocalists in the 80s.


In the late 70s, too. Here's another example off their second album, also vocals only:

Van Halen Outta Love Again Vocals DIY BY ULTIMATE VOCAL REMOVER v5
Youtube PG39XKHXLrM
 
2021-10-23 6:20:20 PM  

El Rich-o: All you had to say was *major chord middle note is one higher than minor, minor chord sounds kind of sad, major doesn't*, for the purposes of a Fark thread about a home made Van Halen cover version surely that would have sufficed.


Actually, I didn't have to say anything. This site does just fine without old H31N0US' two cents.

But since Subby went all modal, I figured I'd explain it a little. If just one person says "Cool, that was informative, I've been playing [instrument] for a couple years and I really should learn more theory..." then it was worth the few minutes it took to write it out.

Beato does a better job. And there's a Frank Gambale vid called "Modes: no more mystery" which is really good despite being the ultimate 80's cheese.
 
2021-10-23 6:52:36 PM  
Harmonic minor, and it sucked.

Well performed, but it was a really bad idea.  Imagine the Mona Lisa in neon.  It just wouldn't work, would it?
 
2021-10-23 7:09:21 PM  

recondite cetacean: Harmonic minor, and it sucked.

Well performed, but it was a really bad idea.  Imagine the Mona Lisa in neon.  It just wouldn't work, would it?


On the internet, you don't need to imagine.

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2021-10-23 7:16:05 PM  
man, that farking collapsed at the guitar "solo".
 
2021-10-23 7:42:16 PM  
I'm glad andy rehfeldt is still making his brand of peculiar-ass re-imaginations of music.

Conway Twitty Sings Death Metal
Youtube hd16RkIHeKk
 
2021-10-23 7:57:10 PM  
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2021-10-23 7:57:38 PM  
You could bring in Mozart as a song doctor. Nothing will make that a good song.
 
2021-10-23 10:39:41 PM  
http://stsanders.com/web/vh/

Still the best....
 
2021-10-24 12:10:12 AM  
Van Halen Shreds
Youtube u-yn1pdEm5I
 
2021-10-24 1:39:12 AM  

DaWormyPimpsta: I heard it. I can't unhear it.

Now I need to cleanse the palate.


Thank you, kind commentator...

//Me too, after that video.
 
2021-10-24 7:15:33 AM  
No, that sucks dead goat balls.
 
2021-10-24 11:52:54 AM  

phedex: I'm glad andy rehfeldt is still making his brand of peculiar-ass re-imaginations of music.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/hd16RkIH​eKk]


I feel the need to add this:

Crazy Train
Youtube sl7rkIc9b24
 
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