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(CNBC)   "Were you playing this Sudoku?" U.S. District Court Judge Edward Davila asked juror No. 5 while in chambers. "I do have Sudoku, but it doesn't interfere with me listening," the [BRILLIANT] juror said   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2021-10-23 5:11:03 AM  
Sometimes its better to settle than bore the jurors to death with complicated, tedious, and irrelevant financial details.
 
2021-10-23 5:12:49 AM  
Jesus, lady. Just get a fidget spinner if you're that ADD.

/but also thanks lady for a new example of how to get out of jury duty
 
2021-10-23 5:18:41 AM  
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2021-10-23 5:22:17 AM  
I would listen to audiobooks at work. I did electron microscopy things. it was like how an audiobook doesn't mess with you doing dishes. I cannot write emails while listening to people talking though. words on words is bad, words on math is fine.
I could listen to the court and do sudoku pretty easily. I get where she is coming from.
 
2021-10-23 5:33:08 AM  
I can't just sit and do nothing, either.  I can't sit and watch TV.  But if I had to sit on  a jury, I'd bring sewing. Would they let you sew?
 
2021-10-23 5:39:41 AM  
That was a long article. I got about halfway through before I hit a jackpot on my dragon game and kind of didn't finish it. Anyone have the Cliff Notes version?
 
2021-10-23 5:40:07 AM  

cryinoutloud: I can't just sit and do nothing, either.  I can't sit and watch TV.  But if I had to sit on  a jury, I'd bring sewing. Would they let you sew?


They might not let you sew discontent.
 
2021-10-23 5:59:53 AM  
This makes me want to practice scales on an unplugged electric guitar the entire time the next time I get jury duty.
 
2021-10-23 6:08:39 AM  

SeriousTube: cryinoutloud: I can't just sit and do nothing, either.  I can't sit and watch TV.  But if I had to sit on  a jury, I'd bring sewing. Would they let you sew?
They might not let you sew discontent.


And that's why I will never be on  a jury.  My  expressions alone would get me disqualified.
 
2021-10-23 6:10:14 AM  
Objection! One does not "play" sudoku.

/fun_at_parties
 
2021-10-23 6:19:40 AM  
I listen to instrumental rock while working. It only interferes when I really get into a song.

/nitpick : Sudoku is not math, Ken Ken is (but I get what you mean)
//loves me some Ken Ken
 
2021-10-23 6:33:17 AM  
Was she playing during breaks or really long and argumentative deliberations?
"Testimonials"
Oh.

/surprised she wasn't held in contempt
 
2021-10-23 6:38:12 AM  
CSB:

My son can actually listen better if he's also playing Sudoku and possibly watching a YouTube video. It's not uncommon among autistic kids that they have an attention surfeit, and paying "complete attention" to somebody speaking is not nearly enough to occupy all the attention they have. So if they don't give the rest of their attention something to do it wanders around looking for fulfillment, and inevitably that includes getting distracted from the first thing they were supposed to be listening to.

Ironically, this frequently gets misdiagnosed as attention deficitin children because the child "can't concentrate" on one task, sometimes as a symptom of autism and sometimes as a mistaken diagnosis of ADD/ADHD (which happened to me...).

(On a related note, some researchers believe that autism can cause both an empathy deficit and an empathy surfeit, which leads to feelings of being overwhelmed...).
 
2021-10-23 6:54:22 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sometimes its better to settle than bore the jurors to death with complicated, tedious, and irrelevant financial details.


And Justice for All!  Unless it's hard or inconvenient.
 
2021-10-23 6:54:44 AM  

HugeMistake: CSB:

My son can actually listen better if he's also playing Sudoku and possibly watching a YouTube video. It's not uncommon among autistic kids that they have an attention surfeit, and paying "complete attention" to somebody speaking is not nearly enough to occupy all the attention they have. So if they don't give the rest of their attention something to do it wanders around looking for fulfillment, and inevitably that includes getting distracted from the first thing they were supposed to be listening to.

Ironically, this frequently gets misdiagnosed as attention deficitin children because the child "can't concentrate" on one task, sometimes as a symptom of autism and sometimes as a mistaken diagnosis of ADD/ADHD (which happened to me...).

(On a related note, some researchers believe that autism can cause both an empathy deficit and an empathy surfeit, which leads to feelings of being overwhelmed...).


There is quite a lot of overlap in displayed behaviors between folks who are in the spectrum and folks with add/adhd.

I have adhd and most stimulants (within reason) slow me down and allow me to stop spinning out.  The first time I took adderall I slept for 13 hours. Granted it was an extended release dose, the "all at once here we come" dosing puts me over the moon.
Coffee is much the same. One or two cups and I can sleep fine. Any more and I'm a mess.

Inside my head at any time there are 50 radio stations playing along with an awesome case of tinnitus.  Three of those stations have valuable info, the rest are random scraps of song, memories, past shames, and arguments. Filtering through that without something to focus on that interests me is hell.

Books, audio books, video games, and documentaries help. Movies and dramas don't because the fakeness to me is overwhelming.  I had tickets to see Dune tonight but bailed because I knew I was spinning out too much to sit through three hours of make believe drama. Why fictional games and books are different for me I have no idea.
Best thing for me this time of year is biking through the parks with the leaves falling down. It's a perfect mix of the right feels and smells and sounds to allow me to relax and not spin me up.


I'm pretty much a mess.
 
2021-10-23 6:56:45 AM  
I've been diagnosed with Narcolepsy because I fall asleep a lot. I couldn't stay awake for w really jury trial without something to keep me awake during the boring parts.  At least when I was expert testimony they only had me in the courtroom when it was my turn to testify otherwise it would have been sleep city for me.
 
2021-10-23 7:01:14 AM  

Eegah: //loves me some Ken Ken


Oh, great. Now I'm hooked on Ken Ken
 
2021-10-23 7:02:55 AM  

HugeMistake: CSB:

My son can actually listen better if he's also playing Sudoku and possibly watching a YouTube video. It's not uncommon among autistic kids that they have an attention surfeit, and paying "complete attention" to somebody speaking is not nearly enough to occupy all the attention they have. So if they don't give the rest of their attention something to do it wanders around looking for fulfillment, and inevitably that includes getting distracted from the first thing they were supposed to be listening to.

Ironically, this frequently gets misdiagnosed as attention deficitin children because the child "can't concentrate" on one task, sometimes as a symptom of autism and sometimes as a mistaken diagnosis of ADD/ADHD (which happened to me...).

(On a related note, some researchers believe that autism can cause both an empathy deficit and an empathy surfeit, which leads to feelings of being overwhelmed...).


This is generally me as well. Depending on the amount of linguistic attention I need for work I vary what I listen to from audio books to classical music (the middle ground is sports talk radio or house music).

It may also explain my hate for restaurants. I can't stand the time before and after eating. Trapped in a chair and only able to talk. It's why I always do the dishes at family functions.

To the article, the lady may be better at listening while doing soduku, but man the optics are awful. Sometimes optics trumps reality, and this is one of those cases.
 
2021-10-23 7:11:13 AM  

omg bbq: There is quite a lot of overlap in displayed behaviors between folks who are in the spectrum and folks with add/adhd.

I have adhd and most stimulants (within reason) slow me down and allow me to stop spinning out.  The first time I took adderall I slept for 13 hours. Granted it was an extended release dose, the "all at once here we come" dosing puts me over the moon.
Coffee is much the same. One or two cups and I can sleep fine. Any more and I'm a mess.

Inside my head at any time there are 50 radio stations playing along with an awesome case of tinnitus.  Three of those stations have valuable info, the rest are random scraps of song, memories, past shames, and arguments. Filtering through that without something to focus on that interests me is hell.

Books, audio books, video games, and documentaries help. Movies and dramas don't because the fakeness to me is overwhelming.  I had tickets to see Dune tonight but bailed because I knew I was spinning out too much to sit through three hours of make believe drama. Why fictional games and books are different for me I have no idea.
Best thing for me this time of year is biking through the parks with the leaves falling down. It's a perfect mix of the right feels and smells and sounds to allow me to relax and not spin me up.


I'm pretty much a mess.


I feel you. And you're right: based on that description, if you hadn't said ADHD up front I would not have been able to guess. I have many of those behaviors too, so I was an unwilling participant in a game of "let's see what happens to somebody with Asperger's if we give them stimulants!". I can't watch horror movies at all because if I let myself be immersed they terrify me, and if I don't they bore me. I would be astonished if misdiagnoses are commonplace, and were even more so in my generation when autism was less recognized.

My son also has a hard time with fiction (he really struggles to understand the motivations of the characters and why they keep doing stupid things*), but he has read a lot of Star Wars EU books. However, the thing is that he reads them sort of like non-fiction: he's much more interested in the historical timeline and figuring out the implicit governmental structures and constitution of the various powers than he is in any of the people...


*This gets him into lots of trouble in English class. For example:

Assignment: Why was Mrs. Smith angry at the children (100 words).
His response: How am I supposed to know that?

Assignment: What sort of country is Narnia (200 words)
His response: 3000 word essay on the implied governmental structure of Narnia, the tension between theocracy and monarchy, and why neither one is a legitimate form of government that serves the inhabitants of Narnia, only the rulers.
 
2021-10-23 7:17:29 AM  

youngandstupid: HugeMistake: CSB:

My son can actually listen better if he's also playing Sudoku and possibly watching a YouTube video. It's not uncommon among autistic kids that they have an attention surfeit, and paying "complete attention" to somebody speaking is not nearly enough to occupy all the attention they have. So if they don't give the rest of their attention something to do it wanders around looking for fulfillment, and inevitably that includes getting distracted from the first thing they were supposed to be listening to.

Ironically, this frequently gets misdiagnosed as attention deficitin children because the child "can't concentrate" on one task, sometimes as a symptom of autism and sometimes as a mistaken diagnosis of ADD/ADHD (which happened to me...).

(On a related note, some researchers believe that autism can cause both an empathy deficit and an empathy surfeit, which leads to feelings of being overwhelmed...).

This is generally me as well. Depending on the amount of linguistic attention I need for work I vary what I listen to from audio books to classical music (the middle ground is sports talk radio or house music).

It may also explain my hate for restaurants. I can't stand the time before and after eating. Trapped in a chair and only able to talk. It's why I always do the dishes at family functions.

To the article, the lady may be better at listening while doing soduku, but man the optics are awful. Sometimes optics trumps reality, and this is one of those cases.


People at former job figured out that me knitting didn't mean I wasn't paying attention. It helped that I'd read while knitting on breaks so they saw me doing that and went "Ah, if she is knitting while supervising something it's totally cool, she's paying attention". Because yeah, without that extra bit of knowledge it doesn't "look good".

Supervisor there told me that when I was training people she would use "how much Sunidesus is knitting" as a metric for how training was going. Which amused me to no end. (basically the more knitting I was doing the less hands-on I was needing to be, therefore the person was learning)
 
2021-10-23 7:18:25 AM  

youngandstupid: It may also explain my hate for restaurants. I can't stand the time before and after eating. Trapped in a chair and only able to talk. It's why I always do the dishes at family functions.


Oh gods, me too. Especially at the end of a meal. I want to get he check/bill as fast as possible, often give the waiter my card without even looking at it so I don't have to wait for a return trip, and want to get out of their as soon as it is paid. My wife on the other hand wants to linger and talk, typically while sipping away at her glass of room-temperature water. Sometimes I will pretend I need the bathroom in the hope that by the time I get back she will be ready. Drives me nuts, and pretty much ruins any good feelings I had from eating out. 

To the article, the lady may be better at listening while doing soduku, but man the optics are awful. Sometimes optics trumps reality, and this is one of those cases.

Absolutely. And of course the very idea that optics trump reality is baffling to many people with Asperger's. (And yes, I know about DSM-5, which is why DSM-IV remains my favorite edition of DSM. Everybody has a favorite DSM edition, right? That's not weird at all, is it?)
 
2021-10-23 7:19:58 AM  

HugeMistake: I would be astonished if misdiagnoses are not commonplace, and were even more so in my generation when autism was less recognized.


FTFM, obviously. Sometimes I type faster than I think and don't preview before impatiently posting. No idea why that might be.
 
2021-10-23 7:20:31 AM  

HugeMistake: *This gets him into lots of trouble in English class. For example:

Assignment: Why was Mrs. Smith angry at the children (100 words).
His response: How am I supposed to know that?

Assignment: What sort of country is Narnia (200 words)
His response: 3000 word essay on the implied governmental structure of Narnia, the tension between theocracy and monarchy, and why neither one is a legitimate form of government that serves the inhabitants of Narnia, only the rulers.


Oh that's fascinating! I have a much easier time connecting with sci-fi/fantasy worlds than with "real" ones. I wonder if there's some element of being ND that is part of that.
 
2021-10-23 7:22:59 AM  

HugeMistake: CSB:

My son can actually listen better if he's also playing Sudoku and possibly watching a YouTube video. It's not uncommon among autistic kids that they have an attention surfeit, and paying "complete attention" to somebody speaking is not nearly enough to occupy all the attention they have. So if they don't give the rest of their attention something to do it wanders around looking for fulfillment, and inevitably that includes getting distracted from the first thing they were supposed to be listening to.

Ironically, this frequently gets misdiagnosed as attention deficitin children because the child "can't concentrate" on one task, sometimes as a symptom of autism and sometimes as a mistaken diagnosis of ADD/ADHD (which happened to me...).

(On a related note, some researchers believe that autism can cause both an empathy deficit and an empathy surfeit, which leads to feelings of being overwhelmed...).


I'm not sure how your kid handles stress (we actually had a few people on the spectrum and they were....stellar) but if it doesn't bother him he sounds like he'd be pro-status as an emergency dispatcher.

That ingrained ability (because it's absolutely an ability in the right situations) to legitimately focus on multiple things at once is impossible/difficult to teach.  The people I worked with on the spectrum, it was amazing to see them work during insanity like a hostage situation or a structure fire.  Just total blank out on their face but it was like they were mentally connected to the computer/radio.

/It's a brutal, thankless job in extreme demand right now that requires a very specific set of skills, but something to think about.
//One of the families I helped deliver a baby on the side of the road still sends me a card on her birthday every year.  It's thankless but not unrewarding.
///Emotionally. Sometimes. It's always unrewarding monetarily.
 
2021-10-23 7:23:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sometimes its better to settle than bore the jurors to death with complicated, tedious, and irrelevant financial details.


When I sat in a jury the worst part was the boring, methodical process of entering evidence into the record so we could actually see it. I did my jury duty this August so it may have been complicated by COVID protocols, where everything was shown on a monitor instead of held up in front of us. But it went like this: Prosecutor tells the judge and defense that they'd like to introduce item 42. The judge and defense lawyers then say OK, then they set up the courtoom monitors so only the witness can see what is being displayed, then the witness says "yes, that's item 42", and they enter item 42 into the court records and then they change the monitors back to where the jury can see it and we finally get to see item 42. It's just tedious.
 
2021-10-23 7:24:13 AM  

Sunidesus: HugeMistake: *This gets him into lots of trouble in English class. For example:

Assignment: Why was Mrs. Smith angry at the children (100 words).
His response: How am I supposed to know that?

Assignment: What sort of country is Narnia (200 words)
His response: 3000 word essay on the implied governmental structure of Narnia, the tension between theocracy and monarchy, and why neither one is a legitimate form of government that serves the inhabitants of Narnia, only the rulers.

Oh that's fascinating! I have a much easier time connecting with sci-fi/fantasy worlds than with "real" ones. I wonder if there's some element of being ND that is part of that.


For him its the fact that the fictional world is finite and documented: anything that is not written down in the books does not exist and is not important. He is uninterested in speculation about what might have happened but is not published anywhere. I suspect this is commonplace, hence the proliferation of Wikis for fictional universes, as well as Star Wars' obsession with leaving no implication unexplored with it's "meanwhile, on the other side of the room" constant re-traversing of the same short span of the galaxy's history.
 
2021-10-23 7:26:52 AM  

Tchernobog: I'm not sure how your kid handles stress (we actually had a few people on the spectrum and they were....stellar) but if it doesn't bother him he sounds like he'd be pro-status as an emergency dispatcher.

That ingrained ability (because it's absolutely an ability in the right situations) to legitimately focus on multiple things at once is impossible/difficult to teach.  The people I worked with on the spectrum, it was amazing to see them work during insanity like a hostage situation or a structure fire.  Just total blank out on their face but it was like they were mentally connected to the computer/radio.

/It's a brutal, thankless job in extreme demand right now that requires a very specific set of skills, but something to think about.
//One of the families I helped deliver a baby on the side of the road still sends me a card on her birthday every year.  It's thankless but not unrewarding.
///Emotionally. Sometimes. It's always unrewarding monetarily.


He handles his own stress very badly, and other people's stress with absolutely calm indifference (apart from mine, which he has gotten good at recognizing and giving me a hug for...). So yes, he sounds a lot like your dispatchers; or maybe an air-traffic controller. For now he has found a niche that both interests him and in which he is able to excel academically, and has in mind some sort of path in the field of restorative justice.
 
2021-10-23 7:27:34 AM  

steve_wmn: Gyrfalcon: Sometimes its better to settle than bore the jurors to death with complicated, tedious, and irrelevant financial details.

When I sat in a jury the worst part was the boring, methodical process of entering evidence into the record so we could actually see it. I did my jury duty this August so it may have been complicated by COVID protocols, where everything was shown on a monitor instead of held up in front of us. But it went like this: Prosecutor tells the judge and defense that they'd like to introduce item 42. The judge and defense lawyers then say OK, then they set up the courtoom monitors so only the witness can see what is being displayed, then the witness says "yes, that's item 42", and they enter item 42 into the court records and then they change the monitors back to where the jury can see it and we finally get to see item 42. It's just tedious.


The monitors are because of covid but the rest of it is just how court works.

It's boring AF 99% of the time.  Usually the only fun parts were idiots incriminating themselves into jail on DV days.

And civil trials.  Holy fark civil trial where both sides are representing themselves? Get the popcorn.
 
2021-10-23 7:32:23 AM  

HugeMistake: Tchernobog: I'm not sure how your kid handles stress (we actually had a few people on the spectrum and they were....stellar) but if it doesn't bother him he sounds like he'd be pro-status as an emergency dispatcher.

That ingrained ability (because it's absolutely an ability in the right situations) to legitimately focus on multiple things at once is impossible/difficult to teach.  The people I worked with on the spectrum, it was amazing to see them work during insanity like a hostage situation or a structure fire.  Just total blank out on their face but it was like they were mentally connected to the computer/radio.

/It's a brutal, thankless job in extreme demand right now that requires a very specific set of skills, but something to think about.
//One of the families I helped deliver a baby on the side of the road still sends me a card on her birthday every year.  It's thankless but not unrewarding.
///Emotionally. Sometimes. It's always unrewarding monetarily.

He handles his own stress very badly, and other people's stress with absolutely calm indifference (apart from mine, which he has gotten good at recognizing and giving me a hug for...). So yes, he sounds a lot like your dispatchers; or maybe an air-traffic controller. For now he has found a niche that both interests him and in which he is able to excel academically, and has in mind some sort of path in the field of restorative justice.


Right on, good luck to him.
 
2021-10-23 7:33:48 AM  

HugeMistake: Sunidesus: HugeMistake: *This gets him into lots of trouble in English class. For example:

Assignment: Why was Mrs. Smith angry at the children (100 words).
His response: How am I supposed to know that?

Assignment: What sort of country is Narnia (200 words)
His response: 3000 word essay on the implied governmental structure of Narnia, the tension between theocracy and monarchy, and why neither one is a legitimate form of government that serves the inhabitants of Narnia, only the rulers.

Oh that's fascinating! I have a much easier time connecting with sci-fi/fantasy worlds than with "real" ones. I wonder if there's some element of being ND that is part of that.

For him its the fact that the fictional world is finite and documented: anything that is not written down in the books does not exist and is not important. He is uninterested in speculation about what might have happened but is not published anywhere. I suspect this is commonplace, hence the proliferation of Wikis for fictional universes, as well as Star Wars' obsession with leaving no implication unexplored with it's "meanwhile, on the other side of the room" constant re-traversing of the same short span of the galaxy's history.


That totally makes sense. Reminds me of just in general being more comfortable with written rules/procedures than with the unwritten stuff that seems to always change without warning. (I may have entirely too many Star Trek books/tech manuals/blueprints...)

I'm not on the spectrum, but it amazes me how much overlap there is between that and ADHD. I've frequently found autistic perspectives really helpful in figuring out why I'm struggling with (or enjoy) certain things/situations.
 
2021-10-23 7:43:14 AM  

Eegah: I listen to instrumental rock while working. It only interferes when I really get into a song.

/nitpick : Sudoku is not math, Ken Ken is (but I get what you mean)
//loves me some Ken Ken


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Each to his own I guess.
 
2021-10-23 7:43:35 AM  

HugeMistake: omg bbq: There is quite a lot of overlap in displayed behaviors between folks who are in the spectrum and folks with add/adhd.
I have adhd and most stimulants (within reason) slow me down and allow me to stop spinning out.  The first time I took adderall I slept for 13 hours. Granted it was an extended release dose, the "all at once here we come" dosing puts me over the moon.
Coffee is much the same. One or two cups and I can sleep fine. Any more and I'm a mess.
Inside my head at any time there are 50 radio stations playing along with an awesome case of tinnitus.  Three of those stations have valuable info, the rest are random scraps of song, memories, past shames, and arguments. Filtering through that without something to focus on that interests me is hell.
Books, audio books, video games, and documentaries help. Movies and dramas don't because the fakeness to me is overwhelming.  I had tickets to see Dune tonight but bailed because I knew I was spinning out too much to sit through three hours of make believe drama. Why fictional games and books are different for me I have no idea.
Best thing for me this time of year is biking through the parks with the leaves falling down. It's a perfect mix of the right feels and smells and sounds to allow me to relax and not spin me up.
I'm pretty much a mess.
I feel you. And you're right: based on that description, if you hadn't said ADHD up front I would not have been able to guess. I have many of those behaviors too, so I was an unwilling participant in a game of "let's see what happens to somebody with Asperger's if we give them stimulants!". I can't watch horror movies at all because if I let myself be immersed they terrify me, and if I don't they bore me. I would be astonished if misdiagnoses are commonplace, and were even more so in my generation when autism was less recognized.
My son also has a hard time with fiction (he really struggles to understand the motivations of the characters and why they keep doing stup ...


I have all those things.  I;m not on any spectrum, but I think I"m about 15 minutes from it.  I have a lot of weird traits.  Never heard of some of those, but I have a few of them too.
 
2021-10-23 7:48:48 AM  

Sunidesus: I'm not on the spectrum, but it amazes me how much overlap there is between that and ADHD. I've frequently found autistic perspectives really helpful in figuring out why I'm struggling with (or enjoy) certain things/situations.


My son participates in a couple of online groups for people who are "neurodiverse". It has subgroups for particular topics, but the most interesting conversations apparently are the compare and contrast. I wish that had been a thing when I was growing up.
 
2021-10-23 8:05:07 AM  
[Note to self: remind all attorneys to include "Are you on the spectrum" to pretrial jury questions]

Because mother of god, nobody autistic or anywhere near it should be sitting on a jury; deliberations could take decades or centuries.
 
2021-10-23 8:29:08 AM  

HugeMistake: youngandstupid: It may also explain my hate for restaurants. I can't stand the time before and after eating. Trapped in a chair and only able to talk. It's why I always do the dishes at family functions.

Oh gods, me too. Especially at the end of a meal. I want to get he check/bill as fast as possible, often give the waiter my card without even looking at it so I don't have to wait for a return trip, and want to get out of their as soon as it is paid. My wife on the other hand wants to linger and talk, typically while sipping away at her glass of room-temperature water. Sometimes I will pretend I need the bathroom in the hope that by the time I get back she will be ready. Drives me nuts, and pretty much ruins any good feelings I had from eating out.


I've gotten lots of looks from wait staff when I ask for the check when they bring me the entrée. My wife knows my quirks and for some reason is still with me. It's understood that I'm not rushing her, I'm just not beholden to that damn period where we're both fine eating and have to flag someone for the check.
 
2021-10-23 8:33:39 AM  
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2021-10-23 8:43:54 AM  
About one in thirty people can do two things at once, but about half of people think they can.  The number of car crashes where people are using their phone demonstrates they are kidding themselves.
 
2021-10-23 8:48:49 AM  

natazha: About one in thirty people can do two things at once, but about half of people think they can.  The number of car crashes where people are using their phone demonstrates they are kidding themselves.


It entirely depends on what those two things are.

I can absolutely knit and read at the same time, and be more successful at both than if I did one at a time.

But driving and using the phone? No. Absolutely not. Those do not go together in any way.
 
2021-10-23 8:54:03 AM  

HugeMistake: CSB:

My son can actually listen better if he's also playing Sudoku and possibly watching a YouTube video. It's not uncommon among autistic kids that they have an attention surfeit, and paying "complete attention" to somebody speaking is not nearly enough to occupy all the attention they have. So if they don't give the rest of their attention something to do it wanders around looking for fulfillment, and inevitably that includes getting distracted from the first thing they were supposed to be listening to.

Ironically, this frequently gets misdiagnosed as attention deficitin children because the child "can't concentrate" on one task, sometimes as a symptom of autism and sometimes as a mistaken diagnosis of ADD/ADHD (which happened to me...).

(On a related note, some researchers believe that autism can cause both an empathy deficit and an empathy surfeit, which leads to feelings of being overwhelmed...).


This sounds a lot like what I experience. Normally, I'm easily distracted when trying to work but listening to music helps prevent that and allows me to focus better. I eventually gave into wearing my headphones all day long at work, even though it looks weird.

HugeMistake: Eegah: //loves me some Ken Ken

Oh, great. Now I'm hooked on Ken Ken


Have you made a huge...something?
 
2021-10-23 8:57:03 AM  

Gyrfalcon: [Note to self: remind all attorneys to include "Are you on the spectrum" to pretrial jury questions]

Because mother of god, nobody autistic or anywhere near it should be sitting on a jury; deliberations could take decades or centuries.


...or they could be over in minutes when thee autistic points out the inconsistent evidence on one side or identifies that one of the witnesses was clearly lying, something that some autistic people seem to have a knack for. (One theory is that they focus exclusively on the content of the words whereas neurotypical people are easily mislead by body language and facial expressions.)
 
2021-10-23 8:59:52 AM  

Eegah: This sounds a lot like what I experience. Normally, I'm easily distracted when trying to work but listening to music helps prevent that and allows me to focus better. I eventually gave into wearing my headphones all day long at work, even though it looks weird.


Yep. When he's at home, my son wears headphones permanently. And at school whenever they will let him.

HugeMistake: Eegah: //loves me some Ken Ken

Oh, great. Now I'm hooked on Ken Ken


Have you made a huge...something?


I was on Fark for about ten years under a different handle before I created this one to reflect the fact that... well...
 
2021-10-23 9:09:22 AM  

chucknasty: I would listen to audiobooks at work. I did electron microscopy things. it was like how an audiobook doesn't mess with you doing dishes. I cannot write emails while listening to people talking though. words on words is bad, words on math is fine.
I could listen to the court and do sudoku pretty easily. I get where she is coming from.


My mom does sudoku and listens to Dateline and Dr. Phil all the time. She fully absorbs the bullshiat while getting to the biggest rewards on the tablet apps.

//she doesn't like to do anything online, much less pay for games and does not
//not that it matters, it is my brother's account on the tablet and he told her she can buy whatever she wants
 
2021-10-23 9:13:13 AM  
"Your honor, in my defense, this trial is boring as shiat. This guy is talking about finances and I don't even understand what the hell that other guy is talking about. I mean I'm just supposed to sit here and listen to them drone on and on about some accounting bullshiat? You're lucky I'm even awake.

You have, like, a murder case or something for me? How about I do one of those instead and if they got some math nerd on that case who would probably like this better, I'll switch. What do you say?"
 
2021-10-23 9:16:14 AM  

chucknasty: I would listen to audiobooks at work. I did electron microscopy things. it was like how an audiobook doesn't mess with you doing dishes. I cannot write emails while listening to people talking though. words on words is bad, words on math is fine.
I could listen to the court and do sudoku pretty easily. I get where she is coming from.


I can listen to things while I'm doing something else, but I can't listen critically. I am constantly listening to new music with the intent of eliminating weak songs. If I read for comprehension while I'm doing that, I let some really lame tunes get by.
A person can do one critical thing and some rote things, but not two unrelated critical things. I can see where sudoku might become rote. I can see where a person could think it's rote when it isn't. I can see why a judge would rightly toss a juror for sudoku.
 
2021-10-23 9:18:39 AM  

chucknasty: I would listen to audiobooks at work. I did electron microscopy things. it was like how an audiobook doesn't mess with you doing dishes. I cannot write emails while listening to people talking though. words on words is bad, words on math is fine.
I could listen to the court and do sudoku pretty easily. I get where she is coming from.


Audio-learners who deliberately sub-vocalize when reading...
UNITE!

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2021-10-23 9:18:53 AM  

cryinoutloud: I can't just sit and do nothing, either.  I can't sit and watch TV.  But if I had to sit on  a jury, I'd bring sewing. Would they let you sew?


I've been to too many rehabs and group therapy sessions. They usually allow knitting and coloring. It can help people with ADHD or severe anxiety sit and focus.
 
2021-10-23 9:22:05 AM  

HugeMistake: Eegah: //loves me some Ken Ken

Oh, great. Now I'm hooked on Ken Ken


I thought the banned ken-ken in the 80s?
 
2021-10-23 9:27:33 AM  
I survived school by drawing constantly. Otherwise I would have been bored out of my mind. I could listen to every word the teacher was saying while drawing, so I'd always answer correctly when the teacher tried to catch me out by calling on me. None of my teachers pushed the issue once they realized I was really listening, so it never got me in trouble. In college, it was usually important to take notes, so I couldn't draw as much. During my career, I'd get through boring meetings by drawing, which would keep me from talking too much.
 
2021-10-23 9:30:26 AM  
Well to be fair, jury trials are a farce and a sham.
 
2021-10-23 9:33:36 AM  

RepoManTSM: HugeMistake: Eegah: //loves me some Ken Ken

Oh, great. Now I'm hooked on Ken Ken

I thought the banned ken-ken in the 80s?


That was snu-snu.
 
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