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(Newsnet 5)   Middle school PE teacher uses heart monitor on students to weed out, flunk slackers   ( divider line
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2004-10-26 01:59:03 PM  
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2004-10-26 02:05:12 PM  
We just have to adjust the heart monitor to give a slight electric shock when the heartbeat gets too slow and there will be no need for P.E. teachers! Yay!
2004-10-26 02:05:54 PM  
Cant we just send them to workcamps?
2004-10-26 02:07:53 PM  
I say whatever it takes to get them off their fat, lazy arses.
2004-10-26 02:10:22 PM  
I miss the good ole days of motivation through shame & belittlement.
2004-10-26 02:17:26 PM  
Seriously, this is an excellent idea. It is well established that regular excercise at 60% to 80% of maximum heartrate very significantly reduces obesity and other risk factors for poor health/early death.

Moreover, heart rate monitors are the best way to measure effort, rather than performance. In other words, you may run a mile in 5 minutes, and I may run the same mile in 10 minutes, but if we both have a heart rate of 140, we are working equally hard. Tying PE grades to time at a certain heart rate is the first PE plan I have ever heard that is actually fair and makes sense.

Eh, which is why parents are protesting. They don't want fairness, they want Johnny to not complain.
2004-10-26 02:17:41 PM  
Hear, hear, mryoop!
2004-10-26 02:18:18 PM  
Stll better than sodomy.

Tah-rust me.
2004-10-26 02:41:51 PM  
In other words, you may run a mile in 5 minutes, and I may run the same mile in 10 minutes, but if we both have a heart rate of 140, we are working equally hard.

Not true. Some people have a naturally high heart rate and some people's heart rate doesn't increase much regardless of effort and some people's rates sky rocket with just a little exertion. Also (I could be wrong about this part) people who are already in good shape and who work out often tend to have noticeably higher heart rates than people who are not in shape. You would still be rewarding those people who are naturally gifted at the activity over those who just naturally suck.
2004-10-26 02:41:59 PM  
Good for him. Perhaps this will get rid of all the dumbass girls who stand in a group in the back of the gym and then look around startled when a ball hits one of them in the farking head.
2004-10-26 02:43:22 PM  
PE is one of the reasons I'm gay.

I hated PE. I'm extremely uncoordinated. Barely passed. Liked the showers alot though.
2004-10-26 02:47:12 PM  
Exactly spacemarinekilla. We had those Latina girls with their hair all done up and makeup and jewelry and such who didn't do a thing. On the wednesday mile runs, they would walk the whole way and chat with their friends, they usually didn't quite make it a half mile.
2004-10-26 03:06:55 PM  
Got it reversed, car_go_fast. People who work out regularly have a lower resting heart rate. But you were correct that itr does have an effect.

Now, to address your other point: It is true that to an extent, the resting rate vs. exercise rate does play a role in quantifying effort exerted. But the reality is that it's role is fairly small. The more important number to watch is exercise rate vs. maximal rate. Now, I really doubt that they all doing maximal rate testing (expensive and dangerous). Instead they are probably using the bands based on age. Since all the students are about the same age, they could use the same heart rates.

Now, exceptions could apply, but those would best be handled by a doctor's excuse. Something along the lines of "Although Johnny is 15, and would normally be assumed to have a maximal heart rate of 205, he is taking a beta-blocker, and should be considered to have a maximal heart rate of 180". Then his goals could be adjusted accordingly.

I am willing to bet the school is being conservative in their heart-rate requirements for an "A" grade, due to liability reasons. I would also be willing to bet the farm that the kids who made an "F" were slacking like a lottery winner on his last day at work.

Now, while fairness is a really nice side-benefit, the more important points about using heart-rate monitors are these:

1. Safety: I remember days in gym class when I would bet that I was at 95% of my maximal heart rate. That is unsafe, and explains why some kids drop dead on the practice field. Heart monitors can be set to send off an alarm when the heart rate exceeds a safe level.

2. Results: I also remember lots of days my heart rate never got above 50% of of my maximal rate. On those days, I might as well have sat on the hillside, watching the grass grow. (Actually, I may have done that, too.) Used correctly, heart monitors can help insure that progress will be made toward cardiovascular fitness, something our kids lack more today than ever before.

Okay, I guess you can tell this is something I have spent way to much time thinking about. ;-)
2004-10-26 03:16:51 PM  
Can someone help me out then. One of my best friends in college has a defibulator in his chest because he has a terribly slow heart rate (he passed out and almost died in gym class in high school). He is very active (plays drums in a band, etc.), but his heartrate is still really slow and sometimes he will have to just sit down because the shock the defibulator gives him can take a lot out of him.

What would this teacher do for someone like that?
2004-10-26 03:34:14 PM  
Okay, back to why I know too much about these things. I happen to suffer from atrial fibrillation, a type of heart arythmia. In other words, sometimes my heart doesn't beat correctly. I haven't had to have a defibrillator implanted like this boy, but I may have to someday.

Now, I am not familiar with this child's case, but I assume his doctor, like mine, would want him to always do his exercise while wearing a heart monitor. The difference is, he will probably have very different goals from the other kids, but still, appropriate goals probably do need to be set. I had this done for my exercise program at the university, and he probably will need the same.
2004-10-26 03:39:52 PM  
Let me apologize for calling your friend 'this boy'. I thought he was still in high school. Just looked back and saw he is in college. He deserves 'young man' status at the very least. ;-)

Seriously, I hope he is working closely with a good electrocardiologist. This is a speciality subset of cardiology, and proper care can literally be a life-or-death matter. My best wishes for him in what is a difficult situation at best.
2004-10-26 03:53:03 PM  
Cool! They can attach it to the chip implant that's will be embedded under their skin, so that they can monitor how hard they've worked their whole life. Dilbert will have nothing in a few years!
2004-10-26 03:54:20 PM  
My wife attached a heart rate monitor to me, but that was just to alert her when I was watching porn.
2004-10-26 03:55:02 PM  
Mountain dew always makes my heart beat fast. One could conceivably drink one, sit out the entire class, and get an A.
2004-10-26 03:55:29 PM  
Big deal!

Bring on the boobies. Lacking, they have been.


Oh, and more SBB Kim.

2004-10-26 03:56:38 PM  
gwydion56, it is actually kind of a moot point. He is 26 and way out of college. He has been living with this for more than a decade, so he knows what to do. I was actually using him as a hypothetical for any other students who might have what he has.

You answered the question well. When it comes down to it, their really is no substitute for exercise. Except smoking.
2004-10-26 03:56:44 PM  
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Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy farking walrus-looking piece of shiat. Get the fark off of my obstacle. Get the fark down off of my obstacle. Now. Move it. I'm going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world. I will motivate you, Private Pyle, if it short-dicks every cannibal on the Congo.
2004-10-26 03:56:55 PM  
"Do you want me to hook you up to a heart monitor, fatboy fatty-fatty ?!?!"

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2004-10-26 03:58:22 PM  
I thinks it a good idea to measure effort. Just record every students heart rate in a resting state, and then track improvements.
2004-10-26 03:58:25 PM  
Same source even!
2004-10-26 03:58:43 PM  
I believe Mr. Bungle At Work is a borrowed ladder, or a degeanerate.
2004-10-26 03:58:55 PM  
Just a gentle reminder: this schmuck isn't a doctor - he's a bloody gym teacher. Cast your mind back to your happy school days. Remember your gym teacher? Would you trust him with anything more complex than a whistle?
There's a good case here for practising (bad) medicine without a license. The school should take away his toy before they get arrested, let alone sued.
2004-10-26 04:01:43 PM  
Mark Malikowski says some parents couldn't believe their child got an 'F' in gym. But, he says, this isn't your father's gym class.

I actually failed gym three times. I almost didn't graduate from high school because of it. (I did get into college thanks to a 32 on my ACT).

See, we had a "natatorium" (indoor swimming pool) and swimming was required. I didn't want to swim, and the alternative was to run laps, which I didn't want to do either, so I got an F every time. My doctor wrote me a letter saying I had asthma my senior year so they had to waive the gym requirement and let me graduate. Why didn't I just swim?! God, that was dumb.
2004-10-26 04:02:56 PM  
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2004-10-26 04:03:01 PM  

Yeah, well, I find that besides exercise and smoking, contact with the opposite sex can also increase heartrate. Well, it can be exercise, too. I don't wear a heart monitor then, though. Sorta freaks the ladies out.

Sex: my anti-drug.
2004-10-26 04:03:17 PM  
I was in the fat kids PE class.

It was cool cuz we got to use weight machines.

/still fat
2004-10-26 04:03:26 PM  
This school district has enough money for heart monitors? Am I to infer from this article that every teacher in that district is adequately trained and paid, and every classroom properly equipped with the very latest in educational technology, that there are NO OTHER UNMET NEEDS WHATSOEVER in that district, leaving money open for farking HEART MONITORS?!?!?!

/sits down, has a glass of water, and tries to lower his elevated heart rate
2004-10-26 04:04:27 PM  
Eat a lot of salt, pop one or two ephedra tablets, and sit on your ass.
2004-10-26 04:04:41 PM  
Okay, so you slack for the majority of class, and then do a quick run around the building (which would send my heart-rate through the roof these days) before getting tested....
2004-10-26 04:05:26 PM  
Hey Cantstanzya!!
2004-10-26 04:05:47 PM  
I hated Gym or PE whatever you want to call it. My last 2 years of highschool I took it in the summer (it was a short 6 weeks) so I could get out of having to take it for that extended length of time during the year.
Not to mention it was a lot better being able to go home & take a shower right after instead of stinking all day in school.
I went to school in Florida so you can imagine how many people stunk to high hell every day especially after 3rd or 4th period of gym when it starts getting REALLY hot out.
2004-10-26 04:05:51 PM  
Why didn't I just swim?!

Because you didn't want to swim in your classmates pee?

They always threatened you with "the water will change color", but it never did.

2004-10-26 04:06:49 PM  
Gym teaching has gotten so hard that he can't get kids to run around? You got to be kidding me. Just tell them to run a mile...and watch them do it. If they don't...boom..F.

Or, God forbid, do something fun in gym. Instead of running a mile or doing excercises, play soccer or basketball. We used to rotate through all the sports in gym and it wasn't that bad..except the swimming, hated that.
2004-10-26 04:07:00 PM  
At least it refocuses the kids on their individual health and fitness and development, instead of focusing on how well they can nail the nerds playing "Smear the Queer".
2004-10-26 04:07:21 PM  
Yeah, don't use a heart monitor. Just let an asshat gym teacher berate the kids until they run their heart rates up to the maximum, with no way to know they are overstressing their hearts. No liability risk there.

Oh, well, maybe ignorance is bliss. Avoid useful technologies. Just do it.
2004-10-26 04:07:34 PM  
I apologize for my earlier guffaw..I meant "classmate's", not classmates.
2004-10-26 04:07:50 PM  
Is this part of No Child Left Behind?
2004-10-26 04:08:29 PM  

Yeah, sounds like my high school, Upper Arlington, in Columbus, Ohio. They have money coming out the wazoo, every kid gets his very own 24k gold golf tee for gym class.
2004-10-26 04:08:48 PM  
I don't think you need to be a doctor to know how a heart monitor works or to know the acceptable ranges for heart beat during shorter (such as sprints) and longer duration (mile run) activities.

We have an OLD clothes rack, umm I mean tread mill that monitors heart rate. Not that big a deal.

I wouldn't want heart monitoring to be used to an extreme, but if it gets the slackers to get moving, and makes it so the "physically challenged" can prove they are really trying, then maybe it isn't such a bad thing.
2004-10-26 04:09:09 PM  
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First this outfit and now a heart monitor. When will the madness end ??
2004-10-26 04:09:36 PM  
In other news, cafeteria workers use latex glove & KY jelly to make sure students are eating right.
2004-10-26 04:11:09 PM  
My gym teacher wasn't an inconsiderate farktard and actually paid attention to what we were doing. If you made an effort that was good for your current physical ability you got your good grade.

Allthough, I think that this is a great idea. Despite what some other farkers have said, a heart monitor is NOT a dangerous peice of medical equipment. The things are even built into watches, they aren't exactly lasic eyeball blasters.
2004-10-26 04:11:17 PM  
Seems to me that the lazy one is the PE instructor. If he did his job properly he would be able to see the slackers. Instead he relies on machines to tell him who's not pulling his weight, so to speak.
2004-10-26 04:11:17 PM  
rgGolf, etc...

I am so glad that everyone else hated swimming as much as I did. I am not alone! (sniff)
2004-10-26 04:11:25 PM  
taken out of the context of gym class. i respectfully disagree
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