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2021-10-22 12:04:26 PM  
Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄
 
2021-10-22 12:05:51 PM  

Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄


They always get it anyway.
 
2021-10-22 12:16:09 PM  

Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄


AND a raise. What would these companies do without the CEO making 8 figures?!
 
2021-10-22 12:18:26 PM  
So basically everything is getting more expensive, everyone has supply chain disruptions, Republicans are cutting off unemployment and food stamps, and evictions are ramping up. Oh and covid-19 is still going strong.
Should be an interesting winter.
 
2021-10-22 12:37:43 PM  
Jack up interest rates so people will become incentivized to be savers rather than spenders. Then again the last time we could get decent return rates on low risk investments the sheer number of people filing for bankruptcy went through the roof.
 
2021-10-22 1:08:25 PM  
'"You can't pass on increases from one day to another," Nestle CEO Darth Insidious said on Bloomberg TV this week. "But now that action is underway."
Nestle's overall pricing rose 2.1% in the third quarter, the fastest in at least five years.'

We cant do this but we are gonna anyways.
 
2021-10-22 1:31:25 PM  
No Ross bicycle under the Christmas tree for you this year, whitey.
 
2021-10-22 3:14:50 PM  

NateAsbestos: Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄

AND a raise. What would these companies do without the CEO making 8 figures?!


8 figures? Pissant. REAL CEO's get 9 figures.
 
2021-10-22 3:17:01 PM  

eagles95: NateAsbestos: Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄

AND a raise. What would these companies do without the CEO making 8 figures?!

8 figures? Pissant. REAL CEO's get 9 figures.


Only 8 figures? More like CE-No, am I right?
 
2021-10-22 3:17:50 PM  
I'm just waiting to find out how much rent will go up when the lease expires. The bastards are going to stick it to me. I just know it.
 
2021-10-22 3:26:51 PM  
Just In Time for the holidays!
 
2021-10-22 3:27:15 PM  

Cafe Threads: Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄

They always get it anyway.


I mean, how many more tax cuts can we go through before it's simply, let's not tax the rich at all to encourage more philanthropy? No need for tax write offs if they arent taxed at all. They can really give if they arent forced.
 
2021-10-22 3:31:57 PM  
What is the matter with people?

If Wall Street really believed inflation would be going through the roof for any length of time, long-run inflation expectations would be well north of 2.57 percent. It was higher during the Bush years.

Stop trying to frighten the Fed into causing a double dip just so you can elect more anti-capitalist, (((banker)))-hating Redcaps into office.
 
2021-10-22 3:33:01 PM  
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A bar chart showing % increase per Q can tell you a dramatic story that isn't dramatic if you understand the relationship between each bar.
 
2021-10-22 3:37:56 PM  
I've been thinking inflation was bad the day I could no longer buy a 20oz at a vending machine for $1.00, nor a 12oz can for $.50 (technically, a better value).

/Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.
//Actually with steam sales, and the like, video games seem like they're cheaper than ever.
///Gas prices haven't affected me much, since a few years ago when I got a PHEV.
 
2021-10-22 3:39:54 PM  

Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄


let's not forget $timmy checks
that's free money that comes from nowhere and has no impact on zeh ecomeny!
 
2021-10-22 3:42:41 PM  

akya: I've been thinking inflation was bad the day I could no longer buy a 20oz at a vending machine for $1.00, nor a 12oz can for $.50 (technically, a better value).

/Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.
//Actually with steam sales, and the like, video games seem like they're cheaper than ever.
///Gas prices haven't affected me much, since a few years ago when I got a PHEV.


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There is a lot to be said about the 3 items at the top of the chart, but Baumol's Cost Disease accounts for some of it.
 
2021-10-22 3:51:04 PM  
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Uh oh, ice-cream bar shortage!
 
2021-10-22 3:52:44 PM  

Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄


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Why do you hate America?
Do you want the Commie Nazis to win???
If Rich White People don't get 99.99% of the Pie, the 0.01% will NEVER trickle down and save us from Soviet Era Breadlines and Chinese Style Slave Labour with Suicide Nets on all the buildings.
I hope the FBI are watching your activities, dissident.
 
2021-10-22 4:05:44 PM  
Rapmaster2000:
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Wait a second - does that chart say New Cars haven't increased in price at all since 1997?  Like WTF?  Maybe if the graph were in constant (inflation-adjusted) dollars, but it can't be because otherwise it makes no sense at all.
 
2021-10-22 4:12:10 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄

[Fark user image 425x309]

Why do you hate America?
Do you want the Commie Nazis to win???
If Rich White People don't get 99.99% of the Pie, the 0.01% will NEVER trickle down and save us from Soviet Era Breadlines and Chinese Style Slave Labour with Suicide Nets on all the buildings.
I hope the FBI are watching your activities, dissident.


There's *something* trickling down, all right.
 
2021-10-22 4:13:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: akya: I've been thinking inflation was bad the day I could no longer buy a 20oz at a vending machine for $1.00, nor a 12oz can for $.50 (technically, a better value).

/Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.
//Actually with steam sales, and the like, video games seem like they're cheaper than ever.
///Gas prices haven't affected me much, since a few years ago when I got a PHEV.

[Fark user image image 850x1214]

There is a lot to be said about the 3 items at the top of the chart, but Baumol's Cost Disease accounts for some of it.


I can see why college textbooks are so much more expensive, what with all the developments and new discoveries that have been getting made in 100-300 Level Algebra and Calculus each year it's been nearly impossible to keep textbooks up to date with the latest advancements in the field.
 
2021-10-22 4:19:45 PM  
So I have a legit question here. I thought inflation was related to money being worth less due to costs across the board going up or from more money entering the system causing the same effect.

The part I don't get, is that the description of cause is like "We FAFOed with the supply chain" and the increased costs are temporary (on some timescale).

It seems to be saying prices will go up due to increased costs, but those costs are not permanent. Is there some kind of specific timescale involved? We get inflation this year and then deflation next?

Like at some level I get that prices going up are prices going up, what you call it is academic, but I just though "inflation" was talking about something else.
 
2021-10-22 4:28:40 PM  

squegeebooo: eagles95: NateAsbestos: Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄

AND a raise. What would these companies do without the CEO making 8 figures?!

8 figures? Pissant. REAL CEO's get 9 figures.

Only 8 figures? More like CE-No, am I right?


Yes, but... their "talent". Their "vision". Such qualities can't be quantified by mere money.
 
2021-10-22 4:31:51 PM  
lubricant maker WD-40 Co. warned this week

In other words: you're not just going to get bent over a barrel. You're going to take it dry now.
 
2021-10-22 4:32:17 PM  
Inflation is good.  Also it is transitory.  Inflation will be high for a little while, pay off your debts, then it will go down, because inflation for too long is bad.  So it must go down.  Then get into more debt and continue the cycle.

No problem to solve.
 
2021-10-22 4:35:26 PM  

Rapmaster2000: akya: I've been thinking inflation was bad the day I could no longer buy a 20oz at a vending machine for $1.00, nor a 12oz can for $.50 (technically, a better value).

/Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.
//Actually with steam sales, and the like, video games seem like they're cheaper than ever.
///Gas prices haven't affected me much, since a few years ago when I got a PHEV.

[Fark user image 850x1214]

There is a lot to be said about the 3 items at the top of the chart, but Baumol's Cost Disease accounts for some of it.


Good to see that excecpt for software, everything I need is in the price is going up part.  And I use open source stuff and linux, so that price can't go down much more.
 
2021-10-22 4:36:56 PM  

Target Builder: I can see why college textbooks are so much more expensive, what with all the developments and new discoveries that have been getting made in 100-300 Level Algebra and Calculus each year it's been nearly impossible to keep textbooks up to date with the latest advancements in the field.


its not the knowledge content you are buying.

The text will change slightly over time as educators chase the new shiny object: project driven texts, collaborative texts, texts with pre-req material, re-organizing topics because some research showed a graph approach to trig does better with female student instead of the right triangle approach, etc.

It is the homework software platform that the book comes with that is the bulk of what you are buying.

Open source materials sound great until you need support.

/may have dealt with textbook issues from multiple angles
 
2021-10-22 4:38:11 PM  

Rapmaster2000: akya: I've been thinking inflation was bad the day I could no longer buy a 20oz at a vending machine for $1.00, nor a 12oz can for $.50 (technically, a better value).

/Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.
//Actually with steam sales, and the like, video games seem like they're cheaper than ever.
///Gas prices haven't affected me much, since a few years ago when I got a PHEV.

[Fark user image image 850x1214]

There is a lot to be said about the 3 items at the top of the chart, but Baumol's Cost Disease accounts for some of it.


College tuition is a scam.
 
2021-10-22 4:40:05 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Inflation is good.  Also it is transitory.  Inflation will be high for a little while, pay off your debts, then it will go down, because inflation for too long is bad.  So it must go down.  Then get into more debt and continue the cycle.

No problem to solve.


Every time I see a awful take I have to look at the username to adjust my response.
 
2021-10-22 4:41:41 PM  

DoganSquirrelSlayer: Like at some level I get that prices going up are prices going up, what you call it is academic, but I just though "inflation" was talking about something else.


Q: Why are gas stations now charging you to use the air machine to fill up your tires?

A: Inflation.
 
2021-10-22 4:52:46 PM  

DoganSquirrelSlayer: So I have a legit question here. I thought inflation was related to money being worth less due to costs across the board going up or from more money entering the system causing the same effect.

The part I don't get, is that the description of cause is like "We FAFOed with the supply chain" and the increased costs are temporary (on some timescale).

It seems to be saying prices will go up due to increased costs, but those costs are not permanent. Is there some kind of specific timescale involved? We get inflation this year and then deflation next?

Like at some level I get that prices going up are prices going up, what you call it is academic, but I just though "inflation" was talking about something else.


Inflation is an increase in the money supply. However, there is the concept of 'velocity of money'. Inflation did not occur after the 2008 bailouts mainly because the money was given to the wealthy and large banks who used the money to reduce debt and the money was not, for the most part, spent into the economy.

Deflation is definitely a possibility next year. Economists are scared shirtless about deflation (like occurred in 1930's during the Great Depression).  Inflation can be dealt with,

I think a lot of people have removed themselves from the consumer economy, mostly by choice. Will they return?  Will they 'shop till you drop' next year? Who knows?
 
2021-10-22 5:04:09 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Rapmaster2000: akya: I've been thinking inflation was bad the day I could no longer buy a 20oz at a vending machine for $1.00, nor a 12oz can for $.50 (technically, a better value).

/Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.
//Actually with steam sales, and the like, video games seem like they're cheaper than ever.
///Gas prices haven't affected me much, since a few years ago when I got a PHEV.

[Fark user image 850x1214]

There is a lot to be said about the 3 items at the top of the chart, but Baumol's Cost Disease accounts for some of it.

Good to see that excecpt for software, everything I need is in the price is going up part.  And I use open source stuff and linux, so that price can't go down much more.


Your comment made me realize how long it's been since I've used a vending machine!
 
2021-10-22 5:05:53 PM  

Nadie_AZ: '"You can't pass on increases from one day to another," Nestle CEO Darth Insidious said on Bloomberg TV this week. "But now that action is underway."
Nestle's overall pricing rose 2.1% in the third quarter, the fastest in at least five years.'

We cant do this but we are gonna anyways.


Pretty sure he means you can't have a national product follow daily cost fluctuations, so they eat the cost for a while (messaging to shareholders: our profit might have been down a bit) then make an across-the-board change (profit should return).
 
2021-10-22 5:17:21 PM  
Secretly hoping my transportation portfolio pans out... I got trains and boats... so far.
 
2021-10-22 5:19:19 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Rapmaster2000: akya: I've been thinking inflation was bad the day I could no longer buy a 20oz at a vending machine for $1.00, nor a 12oz can for $.50 (technically, a better value).

/Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.
//Actually with steam sales, and the like, video games seem like they're cheaper than ever.
///Gas prices haven't affected me much, since a few years ago when I got a PHEV.

[Fark user image 850x1214]

There is a lot to be said about the 3 items at the top of the chart, but Baumol's Cost Disease accounts for some of it.

Good to see that excecpt for software, everything I need is in the price is going up part.  And I use open source stuff and linux, so that price can't go down much more.


Only if your time is worthless
 
2021-10-22 5:22:05 PM  

DoganSquirrelSlayer: So I have a legit question here. I thought inflation was related to money being worth less due to costs across the board going up or from more money entering the system causing the same effect.

The part I don't get, is that the description of cause is like "We FAFOed with the supply chain" and the increased costs are temporary (on some timescale).

It seems to be saying prices will go up due to increased costs, but those costs are not permanent. Is there some kind of specific timescale involved? We get inflation this year and then deflation next?

Like at some level I get that prices going up are prices going up, what you call it is academic, but I just though "inflation" was talking about something else.


first and foremost...I am not an economist...

I would expect the increases to be permanent.  If prices increase 5% this year, a basket of goods that would've cost $100 last year would be $105 this year.  We'd have to have almost 3% deflation just to get back down in the 2% range, let alone back to zero. No way is anyone in the Fed going to be fine with 3% deflation.

I see the new prices as the new baseline.

That said, 5% doesn't seem terrible.

Poor people are getting COLA bumps in their entitlements (if on SSI) and wage increases are rolling in. The local minimum wage here is up to nearly 12 here already, $15 will happen. Middle class people are slashing housing costs thanks to interest rates being so low and Refi-palooza, plus sitting on their big pile o cash for, the past year. Gasoline prices have risen slightly, but cars are so much more efficient now, $4 gas now would be much easier to swallow than in 2007 when SUVs still mostly had ladder frames and five speed transmissions with no DI, VCM, etc.

I mean, think about it:  let's say your average grocery trip was $150 , and varied by $20 each direction.  Now it is $157... do you even notice that?  Oh you have a family?  You're getting 250-300/kid every month.  If someone tells me about how bad inflation has gotten, I assume they're just breathlessly bleating whatever nonsense they heard on Fox.

Still waiting to see how NatGas turns out this winter.
 
2021-10-22 5:38:06 PM  

Izunbacol: first and foremost...I am not an economist...

I would expect the increases to be permanent.  If prices increase 5% this year, a basket of goods that would've cost $100 last year would be $105 this year.  We'd have to have almost 3% deflation just to get back down in the 2% range, let alone back to zero. No way is anyone in the Fed going to be fine with 3% deflation.

I see the new prices as the new baseline.

That said, 5% doesn't seem terrible.

Poor people are getting COLA bumps in their entitlements (if on SSI) and wage increases are rolling in. The local minimum wage here is up to nearly 12 here already, $15 will happen. Middle class people are slashing housing costs thanks to interest rates being so low and Refi-palooza, plus sitting on their big pile o cash for, the past year. Gasoline prices have risen slightly, but cars are so much more efficient now, $4 gas now would be much easier to swallow than in 2007 when SUVs still mostly had ladder frames and five speed transmissions with no DI, VCM, etc.

I mean, think about it:  let's say your average grocery trip was $150 , and varied by $20 each direction.  Now it is $157... do you even notice that?  Oh you have a family?  You're getting 250-300/kid every month.  If someone tells me about ...


Still appreciate it, and I would still generally agree that we're stuck with what we have no matter what, prices be sticky and all. I'd also add that all of the stuff you (and TedCruz'sCrazyDad) talk about makes sense with the traditional explanation of inflation. That inflation is happening and that there are lots of clear explanations for it I'm good with.

The part that still seems weird to me is how all of the companies making the consumer goods in tfa talk about how their prices are going up due to issues in the supply chain that are at least nominally transient. Like their explanation seems wrong. To use one very specific supply chain issue as an example, I don't get how can't unload boat = inflation.
 
2021-10-22 5:55:53 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Jack up interest rates so people will become incentivized to be savers rather than spenders. Then again the last time we could get decent return rates on low risk investments the sheer number of people filing for bankruptcy went through the roof.


Fukn this.  I'm 63, retired.  Watch old Emergency or CHIPS episodes, you'll see in the background early 80s a burger, chips, and drink went for $0.67.  When I was in my 20s taco bell tacos were $0.27 (I know, I spent a semester broke living catty corner from one, it was a main food source).

In general, prices have increased 5x from when I was a 20 something.  I've been a huge saver all my life.  Have any of my savings/investments done 5x?  Yeah, a couple stocks.  But on average/bank interest/401 earnings?  Hell no.

You youngins need to look at inflation and tell Congress "Oh hell no!".  Biden, and the Dems spending plans encourage inflation.  The R's just encourage rich people getting richer.  I don't know what to tell you.

On the one hand, saving money gives you a cushion when bad stuff happens.  On the other hand, your savings are not going to keep up with inflation.  Even if you invest in index funds, index fund returns will trail inflation.

Obama seriously farked over the retired folks (fixed income) in favor of the Wall Street class by putting interest rates at 0.  That pushed everyone to stocks/bonds and, while some folks did OK the billionaires running those funds made most of the money.
 
2021-10-22 6:14:42 PM  

MetaDeth: Only if your time is worthless


The time I have to spend maintaining my home computers and keeping them working is effectively, monetarily worthless. it is a sunk cost, and it takes me more time to keep my Windows machines updated and running that it does my Linux installations.
if the time was valuable, I'd be better off just going with Linux. I tolerate Windows so I can game - it's literally the only reason I need it.
 
2021-10-22 6:40:41 PM  
Other than the /bus tab, who didnt see this coming?
 
hej
2021-10-22 6:47:36 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Weaver95: Obviously the solution is to give rich white people another tax cut.
🙄

let's not forget $timmy checks
that's free money that comes from nowhere and has no impact on zeh ecomeny!


Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave with your non conformant narrative.
 
2021-10-22 7:08:54 PM  
Buy store brands and generic whenever you can. Granted, name brands typically make store brands and generics, but their profit margins are smaller.
 
2021-10-22 7:28:55 PM  

Snotnose: In general, prices have increased 5x from when I was a 20 something.  I've been a huge saver all my life.  Have any of my savings/investments done 5x?  Yeah, a couple stocks.  But on average/bank interest/401 earnings?  Hell no.


Over 40 years, 400% growth ($1 grows to $5) takes about a 4.1% annual return. There haven't been many years where bank interest offers that in that span, but 401k earnings? Hell yes. The S&P 500 is up about 35x in the last 40 years.
 
2021-10-22 7:33:47 PM  

Snotnose: fragMasterFlash: Jack up interest rates so people will become incentivized to be savers rather than spenders. Then again the last time we could get decent return rates on low risk investments the sheer number of people filing for bankruptcy went through the roof.

Fukn this.  I'm 63, retired.  Watch old Emergency or CHIPS episodes, you'll see in the background early 80s a burger, chips, and drink went for $0.67.  When I was in my 20s taco bell tacos were $0.27 (I know, I spent a semester broke living catty corner from one, it was a main food source).

In general, prices have increased 5x from when I was a 20 something.  I've been a huge saver all my life.  Have any of my savings/investments done 5x?  Yeah, a couple stocks.  But on average/bank interest/401 earnings?  Hell no.

You youngins need to look at inflation and tell Congress "Oh hell no!".  Biden, and the Dems spending plans encourage inflation.  The R's just encourage rich people getting richer.  I don't know what to tell you.

On the one hand, saving money gives you a cushion when bad stuff happens.  On the other hand, your savings are not going to keep up with inflation.  Even if you invest in index funds, index fund returns will trail inflation.

Obama seriously farked over the retired folks (fixed income) in favor of the Wall Street class by putting interest rates at 0.  That pushed everyone to stocks/bonds and, while some folks did OK the billionaires running those funds made most of the money.


Did you have an onion on your belt grandpa? Tell me more.
 
2021-10-22 7:34:13 PM  

hej: Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave with your non conformant narrative.


Why? What "narrative"?
We are all non conformists here. We are all very proud to all be big non conformists exactly like you.
Aren't you proud, too? You should definitely be proud, Boy.
 
2021-10-22 7:34:52 PM  

Snotnose: fragMasterFlash: Jack up interest rates so people will become incentivized to be savers rather than spenders. Then again the last time we could get decent return rates on low risk investments the sheer number of people filing for bankruptcy went through the roof.

Fukn this.  I'm 63, retired.  Watch old Emergency or CHIPS episodes, you'll see in the background early 80s a burger, chips, and drink went for $0.67.  When I was in my 20s taco bell tacos were $0.27 (I know, I spent a semester broke living catty corner from one, it was a main food source).

In general, prices have increased 5x from when I was a 20 something.  I've been a huge saver all my life.  Have any of my savings/investments done 5x?  Yeah, a couple stocks.  But on average/bank interest/401 earnings?  Hell no.

You youngins need to look at inflation and tell Congress "Oh hell no!".  Biden, and the Dems spending plans encourage inflation.  The R's just encourage rich people getting richer.  I don't know what to tell you.

On the one hand, saving money gives you a cushion when bad stuff happens.  On the other hand, your savings are not going to keep up with inflation.  Even if you invest in index funds, index fund returns will trail inflation.

Obama seriously farked over the retired folks (fixed income) in favor of the Wall Street class by putting interest rates at 0.  That pushed everyone to stocks/bonds and, while some folks did OK the billionaires running those funds made most of the money.


Man, that doesn't quite add up...

From:
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/heres​-​what-10000-investment-sp-500-index-fun​d-1980-would-be-worth-today-2018-02-08​

Assuming an expense ratio of 0.1% on your index fund (you can find even lower costs now), this means that a $10,000 investment would have turned into just over $760,000 as of Feb. 1, 2018.


Meanwhile... over at BLS
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The kids whose parents left them flapping in the breeze to be saddled with student loans should be sacrificing chickens every night for the chance to pay them back back their debts with cheaper money.
 
2021-10-22 7:35:14 PM  

zeroman987: Did you have an onion on your belt grandpa? Tell me more.


He thinks Obama set interest rates, apparently. He may have mental difficulties beyond mere senility.
 
2021-10-22 7:42:45 PM  

Snotnose: In general, prices have increased 5x from when I was a 20 something.  I've been a huge saver all my life.  Have any of my savings/investments done 5x?  Yeah, a couple stocks.  But on average/bank interest/401 earnings?  Hell no.


Then bloody hell you've been fleeced by someone along the way.  Each $1 invested in a broad market index fund in 1982, dividends reinvested along the way, should be worth about $75-80 now.  CPI inflation is only about 2.8-3x since then, but even if 5x, equities have done a whole, whole lot better than that.
 
2021-10-22 7:44:48 PM  

akya: /Yet for some reason video games have hovered around $50 my whole life.


And color TVs. A color TV was $500 in 1960. That was quite a lot. It still cost about $500 a decade later. Same for 1980 and 1990. Even when flat panels were higher than that after the switch over, you could get a decent CRT for around $500. Now that CRTs are all gone, you can get a decent LCD Visio or TCL for ... around $500. It's been a constant. You could even say the same for the $1200 desktop, really good but not the best, computer.
 
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