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(Yahoo)   4000 assaults? JHFC, that's not a lyft, that's a round of russyan roulette   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Rape, Violence, Crime, Lyft Inc., Violence against women, Domestic violence, Human sexual behavior, claims of sexual assault  
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1173 clicks; posted to Business » on 22 Oct 2021 at 11:20 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-10-22 11:26:53 AM  
I mean, that's WAY more than should be happening but unlike Uber, Lyft is actually far more transparent and seems to be far more proactive on trying to combat this. I like how the article buries the lead on Uber being fined for telling the regulators to shove off when asked about the numbers and only relented when the fine was reduced... F Uber!
 
2021-10-22 11:39:18 AM  
Yeah, but taxis are so diiiiiiiirty.
 
2021-10-22 12:30:14 PM  

Capt_Clown: I mean, that's WAY more than should be happening but unlike Uber, Lyft is actually far more transparent and seems to be far more proactive on trying to combat this. I like how the article buries the lead on Uber being fined for telling the regulators to shove off when asked about the numbers and only relented when the fine was reduced... F Uber!


Is it way more, though? Without context, those are just numbers. Even a single assault is sad and tragic, but how do those numbers compare to other similar services? I get that Uber is probably not transparent, but getting some sort of numbers helps... what about taxi services?

I just can't get the perspective on that number to know if it is worse than "normal" without more information. Lyft and Uber have a LOT of drivers, and their ride numbers dwarf anything else on the planet. For all we know, these might be lower than average among other businesses in this line of work. No, not defending anything, the numbers may also be way worse, too... how do we know?
 
2021-10-22 12:32:13 PM  
I can believe it for sure. I had male and female friends who became drivers that were sexually assaulted by men and women.

The standouts being the guy who got out of his car and called the cops because the gal kept trying to pull his d**k out to f**k / putting her hands down his pants / fingering herself and smearing him with herself. Oh and the lady friend that had a guy grabbing her t*ts while she was trying to drive, and probably would've tried to shove his hand down her pants but she stopped at a friend's work and he let the guy know it was out of her car or f**king die on the spot.

That's on top of the physical violence / regular assaults (e.g. getting punched) that many have experienced.

People are a$$holes.
 
2021-10-22 1:05:20 PM  
Plus 6,000 reported by Uber
 
2021-10-22 1:15:28 PM  

LesserEvil: Is it way more, though? Without context, those are just numbers.

I mean, the context is sexual assault... It really doesn't matter if the numbers are high or low by comparison. 

I just can't get the perspective on that number to know if it is worse than "normal" without more information.
....Brah, it's sexual assault... there is NO normal... I mean, I'm sure compared to prisons, colleges and the RNC these numbers look amazing but comparing only diminishes the issue...

For all we know, these might be lower than average among other businesses in this line of work. No, not defending anything, the numbers may also be way worse, too... how do we know?
...Again... why does it matter? IF the company can and is willing to find a way to do better GREAT! Good for them. Even IF it was better with traditional livery services then the ONLY reason to compare would be to find out what they are doing different... I'm really not sure what all you want out of this... This isn't some SAT word problem dude.
 
2021-10-22 1:23:05 PM  

Capt_Clown: LesserEvil: Is it way more, though? Without context, those are just numbers.
I mean, the context is sexual assault... It really doesn't matter if the numbers are high or low by comparison. 

I just can't get the perspective on that number to know if it is worse than "normal" without more information.
....Brah, it's sexual assault... there is NO normal... I mean, I'm sure compared to prisons, colleges and the RNC these numbers look amazing but comparing only diminishes the issue...

For all we know, these might be lower than average among other businesses in this line of work. No, not defending anything, the numbers may also be way worse, too... how do we know?
...Again... why does it matter? IF the company can and is willing to find a way to do better GREAT! Good for them. Even IF it was better with traditional livery services then the ONLY reason to compare would be to find out what they are doing different... I'm really not sure what all you want out of this... This isn't some SAT word problem dude.


As I said, even a SINGLE assault is sad and tragic, but there IS a benchmark to understand if Lyft is more or less successful in the safety of its drivers and passengers.

That is my point.
 
2021-10-22 2:58:57 PM  

Capt_Clown: LesserEvil: Is it way more, though? Without context, those are just numbers.
I mean, the context is sexual assault... It really doesn't matter if the numbers are high or low by comparison. 

I just can't get the perspective on that number to know if it is worse than "normal" without more information.
....Brah, it's sexual assault... there is NO normal... I mean, I'm sure compared to prisons, colleges and the RNC these numbers look amazing but comparing only diminishes the issue...

For all we know, these might be lower than average among other businesses in this line of work. No, not defending anything, the numbers may also be way worse, too... how do we know?
...Again... why does it matter? IF the company can and is willing to find a way to do better GREAT! Good for them. Even IF it was better with traditional livery services then the ONLY reason to compare would be to find out what they are doing different... I'm really not sure what all you want out of this... This isn't some SAT word problem dude.


I think the point was in response to subby's headline. Headline implies that's a particularly staggering number, and in absolute terms it is, but we don't actually know relative to the market size or other activities or services, it's just a number without context, aside from Lyfts claim that some rate went down almost 20% which is equally largely contextless without an article or source with comparison numbers. How's that look relative to say, bus numbers? Are they better? Is there a best practice that can be shared to improve public transit? Are they worse? Is there something about Lyft that's particularly dangerous to be investigated specifically, beyond the greater concern of assaults everywhere? Yes it tells us these things happen, and from that sense its great to raise awareness, but subbys implicating headline feels rather ungrounded without said additional context.
 
2021-10-22 3:09:18 PM  

zbtop: Capt_Clown: LesserEvil: Is it way more, though? Without context, those are just numbers.
I mean, the context is sexual assault... It really doesn't matter if the numbers are high or low by comparison. 

I just can't get the perspective on that number to know if it is worse than "normal" without more information.
....Brah, it's sexual assault... there is NO normal... I mean, I'm sure compared to prisons, colleges and the RNC these numbers look amazing but comparing only diminishes the issue...

For all we know, these might be lower than average among other businesses in this line of work. No, not defending anything, the numbers may also be way worse, too... how do we know?
...Again... why does it matter? IF the company can and is willing to find a way to do better GREAT! Good for them. Even IF it was better with traditional livery services then the ONLY reason to compare would be to find out what they are doing different... I'm really not sure what all you want out of this... This isn't some SAT word problem dude.

I think the point was in response to subby's headline. Headline implies that's a particularly staggering number, and in absolute terms it is, but we don't actually know relative to the market size or other activities or services, it's just a number without context, aside from Lyfts claim that some rate went down almost 20% which is equally largely contextless without an article or source with comparison numbers. How's that look relative to say, bus numbers? Are they better? Is there a best practice that can be shared to improve public transit? Are they worse? Is there something about Lyft that's particularly dangerous to be investigated specifically, beyond the greater concern of assaults everywhere? Yes it tells us these things happen, and from that sense its great to raise awareness, but subbys implicating headline feels rather ungrounded without said additional context.


I haven't seen a comparison for the US, but I read that in the London Uber was at one point taking 30% of the total rides but was responsible for 20% of the assaults, a rate lower than other methods.  Then they were banned for being too good or something.
 
2021-10-22 4:06:45 PM  
Get out if you don't like The Eagles though

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2021-10-22 11:06:55 PM  
Put two strangers alone together several hundred million times

.01% of those will go bad
 
2021-10-23 3:06:47 AM  

LesserEvil: Capt_Clown: LesserEvil: Is it way more, though? Without context, those are just numbers.
I mean, the context is sexual assault... It really doesn't matter if the numbers are high or low by comparison. 

I just can't get the perspective on that number to know if it is worse than "normal" without more information.
....Brah, it's sexual assault... there is NO normal... I mean, I'm sure compared to prisons, colleges and the RNC these numbers look amazing but comparing only diminishes the issue...

For all we know, these might be lower than average among other businesses in this line of work. No, not defending anything, the numbers may also be way worse, too... how do we know?
...Again... why does it matter? IF the company can and is willing to find a way to do better GREAT! Good for them. Even IF it was better with traditional livery services then the ONLY reason to compare would be to find out what they are doing different... I'm really not sure what all you want out of this... This isn't some SAT word problem dude.

As I said, even a SINGLE assault is sad and tragic, but there IS a benchmark to understand if Lyft is more or less successful in the safety of its drivers and passengers.

That is my point.


And that comparison is fairly pointless. Zero sexual assaults should be happening. One is too many. What does it matter if they're better or worse than the average? Who cares?
 
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