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2021-10-22 2:27:46 AM  
And people say he's just a big pair of tits.
 
2021-10-22 2:45:28 AM  
Burn him at the stake!
 
2021-10-22 3:05:55 AM  
I would say that many will welcome the fact that we are moving in the right direction in terms of acceptance. Even if it makes them personally uncomfortable.
 
2021-10-22 3:06:53 AM  
He may be funny, but he's still a rotten asshole who is largely successful because of other people improving on his work.
 
2021-10-22 3:22:19 AM  
When Kat Williams comes off as more intelligent than you, it's time to hang it up.

Katt Williams response to Cancel Culture
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2021-10-22 3:23:54 AM  
Aging comedians always blame everyone but themselves when they fell to connect with the new generations.
 
2021-10-22 3:42:17 AM  

chipaku: When Kat Williams comes off as more intelligent than you, it's time to hang it up.

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Good clip, logical perspective, thanks for posting.
 
2021-10-22 3:54:03 AM  
Saw him live doing his new stand up routine a couple of weeks ago. Being filmed for a Netflix Special and I'd say about every fifteen mins he'd stop and say, 'well that's not getting onto Netflix is it?'  Either the transgender bits, the god creating aids bit, the paedophile dwarf bit, the wanking over Adolf Hitler as a baby bit or the cancel culture bits... I don't think he's too concerned about being cancelled.
 
2021-10-22 4:03:00 AM  
Yes, we're so very liberal. Women's bodily autonomy is being chiseled away daily, can't have tax reform, climate legislation, any improvement to the social safety net, the people who tried to overthrow the election of a corporate Democrat because he's a commie are being given milk and cookies and warned not to do it again, neo-Nazis are allowed to roam the streets armed, teachers and nurses are stalked, SCOTUS says cops have almost complete immunity from prosecution for killing people....but the real tragedy is that Andrew Dice Clay can't get many bookings on college campuses anymore.
 
2021-10-22 4:24:15 AM  
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2021-10-22 4:28:42 AM  
"I want to live long enough to see the younger generation not be woke enough for the next generation. It's going to happen."

You already did.  You're that generation.
 
2021-10-22 4:30:44 AM  
Harry and Paul - The Office
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2021-10-22 4:34:01 AM  
Harry and Paul - Jeremy Clarkson 'Vagina'
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2021-10-22 7:20:52 AM  
"I don't think he's funny"

'HOW DARE YOU TRY TO CRUCIFY HIM AND SALT THE EARTH HE WALKED UPON"

"uh . . .what?"

'YOU ILLIBERAL BOOK BURNING NAZI CULTURAL MARXIST LIBERAL!"

"I . . . illiberal liberal?  What are we talking about?"
 
2021-10-22 7:26:58 AM  
Like, you don't have a right to an audience. It's on you to connect with them.
 
2021-10-22 7:29:23 AM  
You've got to love superficial hipsters like Gervais.
He's a safe, privileged white man to whom every thing is a joke because privilege shields him from consequence.
I want to live long enough to see the joke be on him.
 
2021-10-22 7:35:51 AM  

Keller: Saw him live doing his new stand up routine a couple of weeks ago. Being filmed for a Netflix Special and I'd say about every fifteen mins he'd stop and say, 'well that's not getting onto Netflix is it?'  Either the transgender bits, the god creating aids bit, the paedophile dwarf bit, the wanking over Adolf Hitler as a baby bit or the cancel culture bits... I don't think he's too concerned about being cancelled.


Privilege means not having to be concerned about anything.
It is knowing YOU'LL be safe, no matter how bad things get.
Makes everything seem amusing.
 
2021-10-22 7:49:57 AM  
Between Gervais and Chapelle, I'm seeing this dynamic where aging comics bemoan that the world changed and that one day you'll be sorry because you'll be old and out of touch too.

Yeah, I know that.  That's how it has always worked.  The stuff that slayed 20 years ago doesn't work forever.  The young people will have their own comics and one day those comics will be old and unpopular with young people too.

We all become this.  It's only weird and scary if you didn't expect it to happen to you.
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2021-10-22 7:59:35 AM  
I never got Ricky. Friends of mine love him. I feel bad for that Karl guy.
 
2021-10-22 8:09:48 AM  

Rapmaster2000: The stuff that slayed 20 years ago doesn't work forever


You say this, but I've got a routine built out of 600 year old jokes (yes, really) and while I'm polishing it and haven't actually staged it (tomorrow night, I'm super excited) I've trialed it and it plays well.

I would say that it's not just the material but the perspective you come at the material from. Like, these medieval jokes- there are a lot of in the period sexist jokes. But medieval sexism was different- it was largely built around the idea that women were the carnal ones, and perpetually hungry for sex. From a modern perspective, jokes that were about the venality of women suddenly become jokes about ladies having naughty fun and getting what they want. Same material, different framing.

(The 600 year old jokes break down into the rough category of: my co-workers are idiots, rednecks are hilariously dumb, women be farking, priests be farking, and racist jokes but about Venitians)
 
2021-10-22 8:11:36 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Between Gervais and Chapelle, I'm seeing this dynamic where aging comics bemoan that the world changed and that one day you'll be sorry because you'll be old and out of touch too.

Yeah, I know that.  That's how it has always worked.  The stuff that slayed 20 years ago doesn't work forever.  The young people will have their own comics and one day those comics will be old and unpopular with young people too.

We all become this.  It's only weird and scary if you didn't expect it to happen to you.
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Pretty much.  Every generation looks down on all the ones that came before, which is perfectly alright since they all grew up having their generation looked down on by their elders.  And one day today's young people will  age and come to despise the next generation too.  It's the circle of life.
 
2021-10-22 8:15:14 AM  

t3knomanser: Rapmaster2000: The stuff that slayed 20 years ago doesn't work forever

You say this, but I've got a routine built out of 600 year old jokes (yes, really) and while I'm polishing it and haven't actually staged it (tomorrow night, I'm super excited) I've trialed it and it plays well.

I would say that it's not just the material but the perspective you come at the material from. Like, these medieval jokes- there are a lot of in the period sexist jokes. But medieval sexism was different- it was largely built around the idea that women were the carnal ones, and perpetually hungry for sex. From a modern perspective, jokes that were about the venality of women suddenly become jokes about ladies having naughty fun and getting what they want. Same material, different framing.

(The 600 year old jokes break down into the rough category of: my co-workers are idiots, rednecks are hilariously dumb, women be farking, priests be farking, and racist jokes but about Venitians)


No jokes about food you eat while traveling?  "Beef jerky on horseback... What's the deal with that?"
 
2021-10-22 8:20:05 AM  

Marcos P: I never got Ricky. Friends of mine love him. I feel bad for that Karl guy.


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2021-10-22 8:21:21 AM  
Harry and Paul: Ricky Gervais
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2021-10-22 8:34:34 AM  
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2021-10-22 8:38:16 AM  

Rapmaster2000: "I want to live long enough to see the younger generation not be woke enough for the next generation. It's going to happen."

You already did.  You're that generation.


I mean ... I think he knows that? He's talking about seeing the cycle repeat when the current younger generation is older. And it will, he's not wrong about that part.
 
2021-10-22 8:42:02 AM  

someonelse: Rapmaster2000: "I want to live long enough to see the younger generation not be woke enough for the next generation. It's going to happen."

You already did.  You're that generation.

I mean ... I think he knows that? He's talking about seeing the cycle repeat when the current younger generation is older. And it will, he's not wrong about that part.


I seriously don't know if he does.  You don't say "woe is me" when you know it's coming.
 
2021-10-22 8:48:24 AM  

Persnickety: t3knomanser: Rapmaster2000: The stuff that slayed 20 years ago doesn't work forever

You say this, but I've got a routine built out of 600 year old jokes (yes, really) and while I'm polishing it and haven't actually staged it (tomorrow night, I'm super excited) I've trialed it and it plays well.

I would say that it's not just the material but the perspective you come at the material from. Like, these medieval jokes- there are a lot of in the period sexist jokes. But medieval sexism was different- it was largely built around the idea that women were the carnal ones, and perpetually hungry for sex. From a modern perspective, jokes that were about the venality of women suddenly become jokes about ladies having naughty fun and getting what they want. Same material, different framing.

(The 600 year old jokes break down into the rough category of: my co-workers are idiots, rednecks are hilariously dumb, women be farking, priests be farking, and racist jokes but about Venitians)

No jokes about food you eat while traveling?  "Beef jerky on horseback... What's the deal with that?"


What's the deal with salted pork and hard tack on a sea voyage?  Can I get some citrus?  I'm getting scurvy over here!
 
2021-10-22 8:51:07 AM  

jso2897: Keller: Saw him live doing his new stand up routine a couple of weeks ago. Being filmed for a Netflix Special and I'd say about every fifteen mins he'd stop and say, 'well that's not getting onto Netflix is it?'  Either the transgender bits, the god creating aids bit, the paedophile dwarf bit, the wanking over Adolf Hitler as a baby bit or the cancel culture bits... I don't think he's too concerned about being cancelled.

Privilege means not having to be concerned about anything.
It is knowing YOU'LL be safe, no matter how bad things get.
Makes everything seem amusing.


Exhibit A: Matt and Trey from South Park.
 
2021-10-22 8:52:26 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Persnickety: t3knomanser: Rapmaster2000: The stuff that slayed 20 years ago doesn't work forever

You say this, but I've got a routine built out of 600 year old jokes (yes, really) and while I'm polishing it and haven't actually staged it (tomorrow night, I'm super excited) I've trialed it and it plays well.

I would say that it's not just the material but the perspective you come at the material from. Like, these medieval jokes- there are a lot of in the period sexist jokes. But medieval sexism was different- it was largely built around the idea that women were the carnal ones, and perpetually hungry for sex. From a modern perspective, jokes that were about the venality of women suddenly become jokes about ladies having naughty fun and getting what they want. Same material, different framing.

(The 600 year old jokes break down into the rough category of: my co-workers are idiots, rednecks are hilariously dumb, women be farking, priests be farking, and racist jokes but about Venitians)

No jokes about food you eat while traveling?  "Beef jerky on horseback... What's the deal with that?"

What's the deal with salted pork and hard tack on a sea voyage?  Can I get some citrus?  I'm getting scurvy over here!


Citrus mandate is unchristian
 
2021-10-22 8:52:59 AM  
No he gets it. There are actions and terms you are using today that will be seen as unacceptable in 20 years and you may not entirely agree.

"The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there." -  Leslie P. Hartley
 
2021-10-22 8:54:34 AM  

LewDux: Rapmaster2000: Persnickety: t3knomanser: Rapmaster2000: The stuff that slayed 20 years ago doesn't work forever

You say this, but I've got a routine built out of 600 year old jokes (yes, really) and while I'm polishing it and haven't actually staged it (tomorrow night, I'm super excited) I've trialed it and it plays well.

I would say that it's not just the material but the perspective you come at the material from. Like, these medieval jokes- there are a lot of in the period sexist jokes. But medieval sexism was different- it was largely built around the idea that women were the carnal ones, and perpetually hungry for sex. From a modern perspective, jokes that were about the venality of women suddenly become jokes about ladies having naughty fun and getting what they want. Same material, different framing.

(The 600 year old jokes break down into the rough category of: my co-workers are idiots, rednecks are hilariously dumb, women be farking, priests be farking, and racist jokes but about Venitians)

No jokes about food you eat while traveling?  "Beef jerky on horseback... What's the deal with that?"

What's the deal with salted pork and hard tack on a sea voyage?  Can I get some citrus?  I'm getting scurvy over here!

Citrus mandate is unchristian


Natural scurvy immunity is best.
 
2021-10-22 8:55:10 AM  

rga184: jso2897: Keller: Saw him live doing his new stand up routine a couple of weeks ago. Being filmed for a Netflix Special and I'd say about every fifteen mins he'd stop and say, 'well that's not getting onto Netflix is it?'  Either the transgender bits, the god creating aids bit, the paedophile dwarf bit, the wanking over Adolf Hitler as a baby bit or the cancel culture bits... I don't think he's too concerned about being cancelled.

Privilege means not having to be concerned about anything.
It is knowing YOU'LL be safe, no matter how bad things get.
Makes everything seem amusing.

Exhibit A: Matt and Trey from South Park.


No Exhibit A isMel Brooks, Matt and Trey came years later. Who wants to tell Mel Brooks that he shouldn't work anymore until he apologizes.
 
2021-10-22 9:02:58 AM  

MrFrode: No he gets it. There are actions and terms you are using today that will be seen as unacceptable in 20 years and you may not entirely agree.

"The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there." -  Leslie P. Hartley


Totally.  I was calling everything gay 20 years ago.  If someone said "Hey, you shouldn't have said things were gay", I would say "You're right.  That was an uncool move."

I wouldn't say "PC woke cancel culture!"
 
2021-10-22 9:08:53 AM  
The next generation won't be "woke". It's a pendulum, not a slope. The more you push the more potential energy you create. Your whole agenda will be cultural bell bottoms to be mocked
 
2021-10-22 9:15:10 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Totally. I was calling everything gay 20 years ago. If someone said "Hey, you shouldn't have said things were gay", I would say "You're right. That was an uncool move."

I wouldn't say "PC woke cancel culture!"


How would you feel if an email (or video or whatever) from then surfaced and you got fired for it?
 
2021-10-22 9:17:05 AM  

someonelse: Rapmaster2000: "I want to live long enough to see the younger generation not be woke enough for the next generation. It's going to happen."

You already did.  You're that generation.

I mean ... I think he knows that? He's talking about seeing the cycle repeat when the current younger generation is older. And it will, he's not wrong about that part.


It's the malicious glee he has waiting for the other shoe to drop on the Woke Wonders*.  That's a bad look, and it's punching down.

/*...really, the best I could do at 9am.  Looking for suggestions/improvements for a lightly mocking name.
//And I swear I'm not a Woke-Be-gone!**
///**Looking for suggestions/improvements on that one, too.
 
2021-10-22 9:17:12 AM  

mjbok: Rapmaster2000: Totally. I was calling everything gay 20 years ago. If someone said "Hey, you shouldn't have said things were gay", I would say "You're right. That was an uncool move."

I wouldn't say "PC woke cancel culture!"

How would you feel if an email (or video or whatever) from then surfaced and you got fired for it?


I'd feel like I farked up.  Then, I'd go find another job.  I own my decisions.
 
2021-10-22 9:23:30 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I'd feel like I farked up. Then, I'd go find another job. I own my decisions.


I respect that stance, however based on what you have said I would say that guy 20 years ago is not the guy you are now.  If you're 35 should you really be taken to task for things you said at 15?
 
2021-10-22 9:23:32 AM  

mekkab: someonelse: Rapmaster2000: "I want to live long enough to see the younger generation not be woke enough for the next generation. It's going to happen."

You already did.  You're that generation.

I mean ... I think he knows that? He's talking about seeing the cycle repeat when the current younger generation is older. And it will, he's not wrong about that part.

It's the malicious glee he has waiting for the other shoe to drop on the Woke Wonders*.  That's a bad look, and it's punching down.

/*...really, the best I could do at 9am.  Looking for suggestions/improvements for a lightly mocking name.
//And I swear I'm not a Woke-Be-gone!**
///**Looking for suggestions/improvements on that one, too.


Agree. My only point is that he's not wrong, he's just an asshole.
 
2021-10-22 9:35:44 AM  

Rapmaster2000: MrFrode: No he gets it. There are actions and terms you are using today that will be seen as unacceptable in 20 years and you may not entirely agree.

"The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there." -  Leslie P. Hartley

Totally.  I was calling everything gay 20 years ago.  If someone said "Hey, you shouldn't have said things were gay", I would say "You're right.  That was an uncool move."

I wouldn't say "PC woke cancel culture!"


And yet they canceled Billie Eilish for something he said 20 years ago
 
2021-10-22 9:39:01 AM  

mjbok: Rapmaster2000: I'd feel like I farked up. Then, I'd go find another job. I own my decisions.

I respect that stance, however based on what you have said I would say that guy 20 years ago is not the guy you are now.  If you're 35 should you really be taken to task for things you said at 15?


I don't agree with that assertion.  I'm still the guy I was 20 years ago.  I'm just not doing a particular thing that is unfashionable and offensive.

And I do believe we all need to atone for our sins no matter how long ago they were.  If people accept your apology or don't feel like it warrants a punishment, then so be it.  Accepting responsibility, showing remorse, and atoning go a long way.  Millions of people choose to do this instead:
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If you want to be a member of society, you are subject to that society's whims.  If I don't like it, I can always move to a cabin in the woods and live off the land.  I'm not entitled to be liked or respected.  I have obligations to others if I want those things.
 
2021-10-22 9:39:34 AM  

MrFrode: No Exhibit A isMel Brooks


Wait, Mel Brooks is "exhibit A" for allowing his privilege to do comedy that doesn't need to care about anything? Or are you suggesting Mel Brooks purposefully did hurtful jokes for shock value? Because neither of those things strike me as particularly true of Mel Brooks. I mean, there are a lot of jokes that were "of their time", but even those were generally founded in tolerance.

mjbok: How would you feel if an email (or video or whatever) from then surfaced and you got fired for it?


Given that it's twenty years ago, I'd demonstrate the ways in which I've changed and how that doesn't represent me. Even if I lost my current job, I'm pretty good at what I do and could easily find a new one, and because I'd give a real, sincere apology and demonstrate how I've changed, I wouldn't be dragged in public for very long anyway. What I absolutely wouldn't do is double down on it, demand people still find it funny, and accuse the people who are rightfully critiquing my shiat takes as being "snowflakes" or similar.

There are a number of celebrities who have dodged "getting cancelled" by being sincere and apologetic about the hurtful things they've done in the past. It's not hard for non-shiatty people.
 
2021-10-22 9:42:11 AM  

t3knomanser: Given that it's twenty years ago, I'd demonstrate the ways in which I've changed and how that doesn't represent me. Even if I lost my current job, I'm pretty good at what I do and could easily find a new one, and because I'd give a real, sincere apology and demonstrate how I've changed, I wouldn't be dragged in public for very long anyway. What I absolutely wouldn't do is double down on it, demand people still find it funny, and accuse the people who are rightfully critiquing my shiat takes as being "snowflakes" or similar.

There are a number of celebrities who have dodged "getting cancelled" by being sincere and apologetic about the hurtful things they've done in the past. It's not hard for non-shiatty people.


This is a much more eloquent version of what I was trying to say.  Thank you.

I disagree with "it was a long time ago" as some kind of excuse.  It's not.  I'm not absolved of responsibility for things I've done to others or to myself because it was a long time ago.  It's still my fault.  The responsibility still rests squarely on me.
 
2021-10-22 9:52:16 AM  

LewDux: And yet they canceled Billie Eilish for something he said 20 years ago


What did she say 20 years ago? Because I've got to find video of myself saying it so that I can be as canceled as someone in constant radio rotation who just launched a perfume company.
 
2021-10-22 9:54:10 AM  

The Garden State: Yes, we're so very liberal. Women's bodily autonomy is being chiseled away daily, can't have tax reform, climate legislation, any improvement to the social safety net, the people who tried to overthrow the election of a corporate Democrat because he's a commie are being given milk and cookies and warned not to do it again, neo-Nazis are allowed to roam the streets armed, teachers and nurses are stalked, SCOTUS says cops have almost complete immunity from prosecution for killing people....but the real tragedy is that Andrew Dice Clay can't get many bookings on college campuses anymore.


It's more pathetic than that. Apparently, the real tragedy is that this certain standiup comic, who currently has one the most-watched stand-up specials streaming today, as well as just having signed a $20 million dollar deal to produce more specials, is being criticized by marginalized groups. THAT'S the ourtage. Bear in mind that the CEO of this streaming service has made it clear that he has ZERO intention of "cancelling" this comedian. Not only will this most recent special, as well as all the other specials, remain on this service for his fans to enjoy over and over again, he is going to pay the comedian more money than any of us in this thread will ever see in our lifetime to make more specials. This comic is going nowhere and will only become bigger and richer.

But LGBTQ groups are openly protesting him WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH make them stop they need be protesting more important things so stop criticizing my dave chappelle WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
 
2021-10-22 10:00:35 AM  

mjbok: Rapmaster2000: I'd feel like I farked up. Then, I'd go find another job. I own my decisions.

I respect that stance, however based on what you have said I would say that guy 20 years ago is not the guy you are now.  If you're 35 should you really be taken to task for things you said at 15?


Is that what's happening though?

Look at Jon Gruden. The stuff he wrote was disgusting THEN, and he was a grown man when he did it.
 
2021-10-22 10:08:41 AM  

Rapmaster2000: t3knomanser: Given that it's twenty years ago, I'd demonstrate the ways in which I've changed and how that doesn't represent me. Even if I lost my current job, I'm pretty good at what I do and could easily find a new one, and because I'd give a real, sincere apology and demonstrate how I've changed, I wouldn't be dragged in public for very long anyway. What I absolutely wouldn't do is double down on it, demand people still find it funny, and accuse the people who are rightfully critiquing my shiat takes as being "snowflakes" or similar.

There are a number of celebrities who have dodged "getting cancelled" by being sincere and apologetic about the hurtful things they've done in the past. It's not hard for non-shiatty people.

This is a much more eloquent version of what I was trying to say.  Thank you.

I disagree with "it was a long time ago" as some kind of excuse.  It's not.  I'm not absolved of responsibility for things I've done to others or to myself because it was a long time ago.  It's still my fault.  The responsibility still rests squarely on me.


If you're a company that's firing someone for saying something 20 years ago that was generally accepted then but not acceptable now, you're likely doing it for expediency. "What this person did 20 years ago was inappropriate, but was common under the standards of the time, and now this person and society in general recognize that it is wrong," is a nuanced position in a culture that frequently doesn't allow for nuance, because nuance requires time and thought.
 
2021-10-22 10:09:59 AM  

mjbok: Rapmaster2000: Totally. I was calling everything gay 20 years ago. If someone said "Hey, you shouldn't have said things were gay", I would say "You're right. That was an uncool move."

I wouldn't say "PC woke cancel culture!"

How would you feel if an email (or video or whatever) from then surfaced and you got fired for it?


I'd be pretty impressed that my hotmail account still existed and/or that someone managed to find a micro-tape VCR adapter. And if my work fired me for the bad fake wrestling promos I'd taped at the time that'd probably be okay with me because if they saw that I'm not sure I could make eye contact with my boss anymore.

Unless you're arguing for less states to have At-Will employment and that employees should unionize so that employers can't fire them without just cause, because I agree with that.
 
2021-10-22 10:21:24 AM  
Well, he's not wrong.

Millennials have lived their lives seeing the world as in dire need of change.
Eventually they will have changed the world into what they prefer, and a later generation will seek to upend that.
 
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