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2021-10-22 5:07:10 AM  
Thank fark they already Brexit'd
 
2021-10-22 5:31:44 AM  
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2021-10-22 5:46:59 AM  
Enh, the neighboring countries have enough shiat on their plates to worry about.  While the UK does indeed suck, this is all about finger-pointing.
 
2021-10-22 5:47:06 AM  
Brexit isn't hurting the right people!
 
2021-10-22 5:55:38 AM  
London has a similar population to NYC but around half the population density due to covering a greater area as I understand it. Social distancing should therefore be a bit easier, although perhaps not much. When it comes to coronavirus cases the main difference between the two populations appears to my quick research to come down to the use of facemasks in public.

That New York has less than half the daily new cases of London yet double the population density, which shows the big role masks play in reducing the spread of the virus.

Have I missed anything in that conclusion (genuine question)? Yeah they're not terribly comfortable or fun but masks are an incredibly easy, cheap and effective means of saving the lives of thousands, particularly among vulnerable folks such as older people with existing health issues (as not uncommon among Trump voters, for example).

It's staggering to me that Trumpists get so farking angry about masks. And it's not surprising continental Europe is pissed at the Poms.
 
2021-10-22 5:58:44 AM  
it's not about 'liberty'
this is what the press in the rest of Europe don't understand about this particular issue
(or most of the others)
the problem is Bozo's tories cannot be arsed to actually govern, it's too much mental and physical effort for them.
They want the prestige, power and influence that comes with the position but not the work load that comes with running a country.
 
2021-10-22 5:59:05 AM  
They should still be encouraging firms to let employees work from home, and enforcing mask mandates on public transport, but they aren't.
 
2021-10-22 6:41:47 AM  
The general public has become utterly complacent following months of positive headlines about how well vaccination was going, so now nobody gives a sh*t.  Crowded bars and restaurants, and now that it's getting colder in the evenings fewer people are wanting to eat or drink outside.  Fewer commuters are wearing masks on trains, with a noticeable decline in the last 4 weeks IMO.  Etc. etc.  People are f*cking stupid.
 
2021-10-22 7:26:54 AM  

Zenith: it's not about 'liberty'
this is what the press in the rest of Europe don't understand about this particular issue
(or most of the others)
the problem is Bozo's tories cannot be arsed to actually govern, it's too much mental and physical effort for them.
They want the prestige, power and influence that comes with the position but not the work load that comes with running a country.


The government is saying it will follow the 'plan' but don't actually say what the 'plan' is. They won't even enforce mask mandates in public spaces again. Useless bastards.
 
2021-10-22 7:45:55 AM  

I'm no expert but...: Zenith: it's not about 'liberty'
this is what the press in the rest of Europe don't understand about this particular issue
(or most of the others)
the problem is Bozo's tories cannot be arsed to actually govern, it's too much mental and physical effort for them.
They want the prestige, power and influence that comes with the position but not the work load that comes with running a country.

The government is saying it will follow the 'plan' but don't actually say what the 'plan' is. They won't even enforce mask mandates in public spaces again. Useless bastards.


People who can't put in the hours tend not to have a 'Plan'
they're not just Useless Bastards, they're farking dangerous to the stability of the realm
 
2021-10-22 8:40:34 AM  
Death rates are below flu levels, and we don't give up liberties for flu. The vaccine has worked.
 
2021-10-22 8:47:46 AM  

Copper Spork: Death rates are below flu levels, and we don't give up liberties for flu. The vaccine has worked.


Unfortunately, the increase in transmission rates also increases the chance of creating a vaccine resistant strain.
If they happens we are all back to square one.
This what complacency looks like.
We call it conservative thinking over here.
 
2021-10-22 8:48:28 AM  

Gpzjock: Copper Spork: Death rates are below flu levels, and we don't give up liberties for flu. The vaccine has worked.

Unfortunately, the increase in transmission rates also increases the chance of creating a vaccine resistant strain.
If they happens we are all back to square one.
This what complacency looks like.
We call it conservative thinking over here.


*that happens
 
2021-10-22 8:51:46 AM  

Aussie_As: London has a similar population to NYC but around half the population density due to covering a greater area as I understand it. Social distancing should therefore be a bit easier, although perhaps not much. When it comes to coronavirus cases the main difference between the two populations appears to my quick research to come down to the use of facemasks in public.

That New York has less than half the daily new cases of London yet double the population density, which shows the big role masks play in reducing the spread of the virus.

Have I missed anything in that conclusion (genuine question)? Yeah they're not terribly comfortable or fun but masks are an incredibly easy, cheap and effective means of saving the lives of thousands, particularly among vulnerable folks such as older people with existing health issues (as not uncommon among Trump voters, for example).

It's staggering to me that Trumpists get so farking angry about masks. And it's not surprising continental Europe is pissed at the Poms.


You've missed the fact that correlation doesn't equal causation.
There's a myriad of potential factors of why one place has more cases than another. I'd start with looking at the rate of testing.
 
2021-10-22 9:07:06 AM  

Scaley: Aussie_As: London has a similar population to NYC but around half the population density due to covering a greater area as I understand it. Social distancing should therefore be a bit easier, although perhaps not much. When it comes to coronavirus cases the main difference between the two populations appears to my quick research to come down to the use of facemasks in public.

That New York has less than half the daily new cases of London yet double the population density, which shows the big role masks play in reducing the spread of the virus.

Have I missed anything in that conclusion (genuine question)? Yeah they're not terribly comfortable or fun but masks are an incredibly easy, cheap and effective means of saving the lives of thousands, particularly among vulnerable folks such as older people with existing health issues (as not uncommon among Trump voters, for example).

It's staggering to me that Trumpists get so farking angry about masks. And it's not surprising continental Europe is pissed at the Poms.

You've missed the fact that correlation doesn't equal causation.
There's a myriad of potential factors of why one place has more cases than another. I'd start with looking at the rate of testing.


Rates of testing don't change that much in one week. Let's look at the increase of positive tests over 7 days in October....
Oh snap.

Of the 377 local areas in the UK, 304 (81%) have seen a week-on-week rise in rates and 73 (19%) have seen a fall.

Blaenau Gwent in Wales has the highest rate in the UK, with 825 new cases in the seven days to October 17 - the equivalent of 1,178.2 per 100,000 people.
This is up sharply from 374.2 in the seven days to October 10.
Cheltenham in Gloucestershire has the second highest rate, up from 148.2 to 1,141.0, with 1,324 new cases.
Stroud in Gloucestershire has the third highest rate, up from 176.2 to 1,080.2, with 1,306 new cases.
 
2021-10-22 9:19:54 AM  

Gpzjock: Unfortunately, the increase in transmission rates also increases the chance of creating a vaccine resistant strain.


Yes, like for flu.
 
2021-10-22 9:27:33 AM  

Zenith: it's not about 'liberty'
this is what the press in the rest of Europe don't understand about this particular issue
(or most of the others)
the problem is Bozo's tories cannot be arsed to actually govern, it's too much mental and physical effort for them.
They want the prestige, power and influence that comes with the position but not the work load that comes with running a country.


As with US Republicans, they want to rule, not govern.
 
2021-10-22 9:36:01 AM  
 
2021-10-22 9:38:57 AM  
The UK's Covid inaction is irritating neighboring countries

Fixed it.
 
2021-10-22 9:41:42 AM  

Gpzjock: Scaley: Aussie_As: London has a similar population to NYC but around half the population density due to covering a greater area as I understand it. Social distancing should therefore be a bit easier, although perhaps not much. When it comes to coronavirus cases the main difference between the two populations appears to my quick research to come down to the use of facemasks in public.

That New York has less than half the daily new cases of London yet double the population density, which shows the big role masks play in reducing the spread of the virus.

Have I missed anything in that conclusion (genuine question)? Yeah they're not terribly comfortable or fun but masks are an incredibly easy, cheap and effective means of saving the lives of thousands, particularly among vulnerable folks such as older people with existing health issues (as not uncommon among Trump voters, for example).

It's staggering to me that Trumpists get so farking angry about masks. And it's not surprising continental Europe is pissed at the Poms.

You've missed the fact that correlation doesn't equal causation.
There's a myriad of potential factors of why one place has more cases than another. I'd start with looking at the rate of testing.

Rates of testing don't change that much in one week. Let's look at the increase of positive tests over 7 days in October....
Oh snap.

Of the 377 local areas in the UK, 304 (81%) have seen a week-on-week rise in rates and 73 (19%) have seen a fall.

Blaenau Gwent in Wales has the highest rate in the UK, with 825 new cases in the seven days to October 17 - the equivalent of 1,178.2 per 100,000 people.
This is up sharply from 374.2 in the seven days to October 10.
Cheltenham in Gloucestershire has the second highest rate, up from 148.2 to 1,141.0, with 1,324 new cases.
Stroud in Gloucestershire has the third highest rate, up from 176.2 to 1,080.2, with 1,306 new cases.


FWIW in the sake of comparison, this is the breakdown in Andalucia in Spain: https://www.juntadeandalucia.e​s/instit​utodeestadisticaycartografia/salud/COV​ID19.html

Site in Spanish obviously, but if you scroll to the bottom map you can see each local area. Figures are given: cases per 100k for last 14 days, total cases last 14 then last 7 days.

Marbella has a roughly similar population to Cheltenham and Stroud combined according to a rough Google estimate (140k). Figures there as I write this are 61.6 /100k, 91 new in the last 14 days and 34 in the last 7 days.

I bring this up because guess where a popular holiday location for Brits is? Pretty much anywhere between Marbella and Malaga to the east, and to Gibraltar to the west. We'd like to let them back in as normal next tourist season, and maybe grab a bunch of them for a nice winter break - even with Brexit the locals and ex pats like myself don't mind visitors. But, it's going to be hard to justify if they can't get their act together at home.
 
2021-10-22 10:06:06 AM  

Gpzjock: Yeah, just like flu....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulatio​nandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages​/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronavir​uscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluen​zaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoc​curringbetween1januaryand31august2020


Now that we have the vaccine and most people vaccinated, yes. Before the vaccine it was a concern. Now it is not, as your statistics would show if they were from a 90%-vaccinated country.
 
2021-10-22 10:07:09 AM  

Copper Spork: Gpzjock: Yeah, just like flu....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulatio​nandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages​/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronavir​uscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluen​zaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoc​curringbetween1januaryand31august2020

Now that we have the vaccine and most people vaccinated, yes. Before the vaccine it was a concern. Now it is not, as your statistics would show if they were from a 90%-vaccinated country.


Correct, which part of square one doesn't that resemble?
The emergence of a vaccine resistant strain puts us back there.
 
2021-10-22 10:10:19 AM  

Gpzjock: Scaley: Aussie_As: London has a similar population to NYC but around half the population density due to covering a greater area as I understand it. Social distancing should therefore be a bit easier, although perhaps not much. When it comes to coronavirus cases the main difference between the two populations appears to my quick research to come down to the use of facemasks in public.

That New York has less than half the daily new cases of London yet double the population density, which shows the big role masks play in reducing the spread of the virus.

Have I missed anything in that conclusion (genuine question)? Yeah they're not terribly comfortable or fun but masks are an incredibly easy, cheap and effective means of saving the lives of thousands, particularly among vulnerable folks such as older people with existing health issues (as not uncommon among Trump voters, for example).

It's staggering to me that Trumpists get so farking angry about masks. And it's not surprising continental Europe is pissed at the Poms.

You've missed the fact that correlation doesn't equal causation.
There's a myriad of potential factors of why one place has more cases than another. I'd start with looking at the rate of testing.

Rates of testing don't change that much in one week. Let's look at the increase of positive tests over 7 days in October....
Oh snap.

Of the 377 local areas in the UK, 304 (81%) have seen a week-on-week rise in rates and 73 (19%) have seen a fall.

Blaenau Gwent in Wales has the highest rate in the UK, with 825 new cases in the seven days to October 17 - the equivalent of 1,178.2 per 100,000 people.
This is up sharply from 374.2 in the seven days to October 10.
Cheltenham in Gloucestershire has the second highest rate, up from 148.2 to 1,141.0, with 1,324 new cases.
Stroud in Gloucestershire has the third highest rate, up from 176.2 to 1,080.2, with 1,306 new cases.


What are you on about?
We are talking about covid in NYC and London.
 
2021-10-22 10:14:52 AM  

Scaley: Gpzjock: Scaley: Aussie_As: London has a similar population to NYC but around half the population density due to covering a greater area as I understand it. Social distancing should therefore be a bit easier, although perhaps not much. When it comes to coronavirus cases the main difference between the two populations appears to my quick research to come down to the use of facemasks in public.

That New York has less than half the daily new cases of London yet double the population density, which shows the big role masks play in reducing the spread of the virus.

Have I missed anything in that conclusion (genuine question)? Yeah they're not terribly comfortable or fun but masks are an incredibly easy, cheap and effective means of saving the lives of thousands, particularly among vulnerable folks such as older people with existing health issues (as not uncommon among Trump voters, for example).

It's staggering to me that Trumpists get so farking angry about masks. And it's not surprising continental Europe is pissed at the Poms.

You've missed the fact that correlation doesn't equal causation.
There's a myriad of potential factors of why one place has more cases than another. I'd start with looking at the rate of testing.

Rates of testing don't change that much in one week. Let's look at the increase of positive tests over 7 days in October....
Oh snap.

Of the 377 local areas in the UK, 304 (81%) have seen a week-on-week rise in rates and 73 (19%) have seen a fall.

Blaenau Gwent in Wales has the highest rate in the UK, with 825 new cases in the seven days to October 17 - the equivalent of 1,178.2 per 100,000 people.
This is up sharply from 374.2 in the seven days to October 10.
Cheltenham in Gloucestershire has the second highest rate, up from 148.2 to 1,141.0, with 1,324 new cases.
Stroud in Gloucestershire has the third highest rate, up from 176.2 to 1,080.2, with 1,306 new cases.

What are you on about?
We are talking about covid in NYC and London.


The thread is discussing the sharp rise in Covid transmission in the UK. Not just London or New York so relevant information should be considered in the context of the thread. You said to look at the rate of testing, so I did for the whole country.
By all means cherry pick away though.
 
2021-10-22 10:21:21 AM  
The message is a reply to a discussion about  the relative number of covid cases in London and NYC. I said to look at the relative testing numbers, the comment should only be considered in that context.
By all means completely change the subject though.
 
2021-10-22 10:28:18 AM  

Scaley: The message is a reply to a discussion about  the relative number of covid cases in London and NYC. I said to look at the relative testing numbers, the comment should only be considered in that context.
By all means completely change the subject though.


Change the subject back to the one originally discussed, you mean?
Natuurlijk.
 
2021-10-22 10:57:32 AM  

Copper Spork: Gpzjock: Yeah, just like flu....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulatio​nandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages​/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronavir​uscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluen​zaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoc​curringbetween1januaryand31august2020

Now that we have the vaccine and most people vaccinated, yes. Before the vaccine it was a concern. Now it is not, as your statistics would show if they were from a 90%-vaccinated country.


so odd the transmission rate is higher then this time last year when it wasn't 90%
 
2021-10-22 11:16:39 AM  

Zenith: Copper Spork: Gpzjock: Yeah, just like flu....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulatio​nandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages​/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronavir​uscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluen​zaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoc​curringbetween1januaryand31august2020

Now that we have the vaccine and most people vaccinated, yes. Before the vaccine it was a concern. Now it is not, as your statistics would show if they were from a 90%-vaccinated country.

so odd the transmission rate is higher then this time last year when it wasn't 90%


Good ol' delta, just wait for epsilon.
 
2021-10-22 11:17:17 AM  

Zenith: Copper Spork: Gpzjock: Yeah, just like flu....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulatio​nandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages​/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronavir​uscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluen​zaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoc​curringbetween1januaryand31august2020

Now that we have the vaccine and most people vaccinated, yes. Before the vaccine it was a concern. Now it is not, as your statistics would show if they were from a 90%-vaccinated country.

so odd the transmission rate is higher then this time last year when it wasn't 90%


Delta variant being far more transmissible is likely behind this, as it wasn't prevalent in the UK same time last year. 

It's also possible Delta+ is influencing the latest numbers, despite not being considered more transmissible. It does have spike protein changes though: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/he​alth-5896​5650
 
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