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(Vox)   Want to do your part to help defuse the supply chain crisis? Stop buying so much crap   (vox.com) divider line
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2021-10-22 4:32:03 AM  
That isn't the customers problem to fix.
Americans can be so easy to manipulate for the media

1- Credit scores are a business,it isn't the individuals job to make their credit history accurate. Companies that do a terrible job should fail

2- The "labor crisis" has customers feeling sorry and being extra patient for businesses that refuse to pay and treat their employees well enough to keep them

3-Customers should be livid that companies put all their eggs in one basket and can't get the products out. This was foreseeable with companies that only care about short term gains
 
2021-10-22 5:28:22 AM  
Yes to subby's headline.

If you do not live in a hyper-consuming society, you are probably not having too many problems right about now.

Not only are YOU not experiencing a shortfall, but few others are. Therefore no hoarding or panic buying.

People who are participating in gouging behavior, either buyers or sellers, are giving bad signals to the market. A little bit of delayed gratification will probably go a long way.
 
2021-10-22 7:01:50 AM  
I would agree with subs, there's a great feeling of having a car or cars that are paid off. Sure I want a new car, but I really like not having to pay for a new car.

/now stop buying home improvement stuff, that's a hard one...
 
2021-10-22 7:05:13 AM  
So solution to saving rampant consumerism is to cut out rampant consumerism?
 
2021-10-22 7:54:56 AM  
No.
 
2021-10-22 7:59:37 AM  

sinner4ever: That isn't the customers problem to fix.
Americans can be so easy to manipulate for the media


"Not my fault I killed that woman drunk-driving.  I blame all the manipulative things I see in beer ads.  Also I'm an alcoholic, so I'm pretty much a protected class."

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2021-10-22 8:06:36 AM  
I just assume that every single perceived or temporary "shortage" is a planned media assisted excuse to raise the price on specific items, forever, and the mucky mucks will continue to get their multi million dollar bonuses at the end of the year.
 
2021-10-22 8:09:18 AM  
Make me
 
2021-10-22 8:14:39 AM  

Darth Funjamin: Make me


Do you want to be made out of clay or be drawn like one of those French girls?
 
2021-10-22 8:17:54 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I just assume that every single perceived or temporary "shortage" is a planned media assisted excuse to raise the price on specific items, forever, and the mucky mucks will continue to get their multi million dollar bonuses at the end of the year.


It's all perfectly real.  Don't you ever think about it?  Every year, every month, we get thousands of  new products, new services, new buildings with services (not GOOD services, like social services--but like oil-changing services and nail salons and yoga studios.)  Who's supposed to move all this stuff?  Who's supposed to work in these places and collect the money?  Who's supposed to move YOUR shiat when you suddenly get Amazon prime and start buying 75% more shiat from Amazon?   You all think this massive gluttony runs itself?  We hit the limit.

But since economists are r-word and never figure their resource base into their calculations for unlimited wealth (seems like somebody would get suspicious about that anyway, but the thought of money I guess is enough to cloud everyone's mind), we've run into the problem of Peak Consumer--we can't farking ask for any more, because the bodies to provide it have run out.  Nobody entered that into their calculations, because economists are deluded and don't live in the real world, which is dying.

To quote some asshole:

The choice is ours - we can continue on the failing path as globalization meets entropy as we burn through our resources for quick profits and choke on our own exhaust. Or we can reject globalization's model of consumption and pollution, increase localization, and give generations yet to come a chance at a livable, sustainable, future.
 
2021-10-22 9:54:53 AM  

cryinoutloud: sinner4ever: That isn't the customers problem to fix.
Americans can be so easy to manipulate for the media

"Not my fault I killed that woman drunk-driving.  I blame all the manipulative things I see in beer ads.  Also I'm an alcoholic, so I'm pretty much a protected class."

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Listen. I don't really care about your point one way or another at the moment.

But you put down an unattributed screenshot providing unattributed statistics claiming "the average American bought 7.5 pairs of shoes last year", and I'm going to call you out on spreading horseshiat just because you want to believe it.

Thats an easy stat to back source - it's a reference to an estimate made for 2013 by the head of the American Apparel & Footwear Association during a 2015 industry promo event.

To reiterate, his quote was that every man, woman and child spent "1,141 US dollars to purchase 64 garments and 7 ½ pairs of shoes". We'll round off US population of 2013 to 300m, so allegedly 2.2 billion shoes sold. That's a neat trick, can't help noticing that for 2019 there were 2.4 billion shoes imported, reckon that 2.2 billion shoes were imported that year? Couldn't find that stat explicitly but it tracks with population inflation. Must be nice to sell every single pair of shoes you import to a consumer.

You know what else is an easy stat to source? Industry sales of footwear in dollar amounts per year. For 2013, that was a bit over 32 billion dollars.

You're going to tell me that the average cost of a pair of shoes in 2013 America was $16? fark right off. Where are all these $2 pair of shoes for every $100 pair of nikes?

Even if 2.1 billion shoes were sold that year in the US, that doesn't create the statistic "the average American bought 7.5 shoes" in the context of individual consumption within a given population, because that's the mean, and you'd need the mode.
 
2021-10-22 10:06:20 AM  
Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.
 
2021-10-22 10:54:40 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I just assume that every single perceived or temporary "shortage" is a planned media assisted excuse to raise the price on specific items, forever, and the mucky mucks will continue to get their multi million dollar bonuses at the end of the year.


Yes, it's all a massive conspiracy and all of the media is in on it. And that's definitely not something Trump says every time things don't go his way.
 
2021-10-22 11:03:20 AM  

Fireproof: Ker_Thwap: I just assume that every single perceived or temporary "shortage" is a planned media assisted excuse to raise the price on specific items, forever, and the mucky mucks will continue to get their multi million dollar bonuses at the end of the year.

Yes, it's all a massive conspiracy and all of the media is in on it. And that's definitely not something Trump says every time things don't go his way.


I may have been using a bit of hyperbole, but let's not pretend the market has never been manipulated before.  I'm looking at you big oil.
 
2021-10-22 11:10:08 AM  

natazha: Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.


You're probably wrong.  The number of people buying replacement ovens is a fairly steady number, but I suspect the number of people remodeling their kitchens (IE, replacing non-broken ones with updated models) is up significantly.  Also, new construction of housing units is finally climbing a bit (each needs an oven).
 
2021-10-22 11:15:40 AM  

Geotpf: natazha: Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.

You're probably wrong.  The number of people buying replacement ovens is a fairly steady number, but I suspect the number of people remodeling their kitchens (IE, replacing non-broken ones with updated models) is up significantly.  Also, new construction of housing units is finally climbing a bit (each needs an oven).


Yep. We bought our house this past spring. The kitchen, floors, and about half the master bathroom had been remodeled. The dishwasher was brand new and I'm pretty sure the oven/stove were as well.

That said, actually getting a microwave and washer and dryer were the real headaches, as I got deep into in a thread yesterday.
 
2021-10-22 11:53:15 AM  
Stop buying so much crap?

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HELL NO
 
2021-10-22 12:06:12 PM  
Anyone else not really personally seeing a lot of supply-chain problems lately? Aside from the aforementioned issues with major household appliances 6 months ago, I'm not seeing much at all. And I'm mostly talking about the recent issues. Only things I've experienced have been that my new iPhone had to be shipped to me (a mere 4 days later, as opposed to the 3-6 weeks that the store predicted), and that gas jumped up 20¢ overnight to $3.25.
 
2021-10-22 12:38:50 PM  
I buy no gifts and make no donations during November or December

I finally achieved in my dream about 7 years ago

it feels great and I love it
 
2021-10-22 1:02:57 PM  

kozlo: I would agree with subs, there's a great feeling of having a car or cars that are paid off. Sure I want a new car, but I really like not having to pay for a new car.

/now stop buying home improvement stuff, that's a hard one...


My car's best feature is that it has been payed off for 15 years.
 
2021-10-22 1:04:48 PM  

Fireproof: Anyone else not really personally seeing a lot of supply-chain problems lately? Aside from the aforementioned issues with major household appliances 6 months ago, I'm not seeing much at all. And I'm mostly talking about the recent issues. Only things I've experienced have been that my new iPhone had to be shipped to me (a mere 4 days later, as opposed to the 3-6 weeks that the store predicted), and that gas jumped up 20¢ overnight to $3.25.


Seeing it more at work than at home.  We have had to delay the network build out of several sites because equipment has been on back order forever.
 
2021-10-22 1:31:23 PM  
I went minimalist around 2015, and haven't regretted it. I purged 75% of the crap in my house, and have carefully controlled my purchases since. I have saved a lot of money and time, and kind of enjoy finding ways to repurpose and recycle things.

I won't suffer at all with the shortages, and it makes me further appreciate my choice to stop buying all the things.

Granted, that is not an common American mindset, and lots of people are going to be on tv pitching hissy fits about how everything is ruined because a toy or something stupid isn't here.
 
2021-10-22 1:55:23 PM  

Geotpf: natazha: Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.

You're probably wrong.  The number of people buying replacement ovens is a fairly steady number, but I suspect the number of people remodeling their kitchens (IE, replacing non-broken ones with updated models) is up significantly.  Also, new construction of housing units is finally climbing a bit (each needs an oven).


There have also been rolling shut downs in the places making them. First due to Covid, where a ten day quarantine of an entire shift crew can screw up order fulfillment for MONTHS; then due to shortages in materials.

Why the shortage in materials? Well, a lot of the foam used in both appliance insulation and furniture construction comes out of Texas. You might remember a winter storm farked up EVERYTHING there for a few weeks, then they had some hurricane disruptions, and we're just NOW starting to get their production back on track.
 
2021-10-22 1:59:13 PM  

Liadan: Geotpf: natazha: Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.

You're probably wrong.  The number of people buying replacement ovens is a fairly steady number, but I suspect the number of people remodeling their kitchens (IE, replacing non-broken ones with updated models) is up significantly.  Also, new construction of housing units is finally climbing a bit (each needs an oven).

There have also been rolling shut downs in the places making them. First due to Covid, where a ten day quarantine of an entire shift crew can screw up order fulfillment for MONTHS; then due to shortages in materials.

Why the shortage in materials? Well, a lot of the foam used in both appliance insulation and furniture construction comes out of Texas. You might remember a winter storm farked up EVERYTHING there for a few weeks, then they had some hurricane disruptions, and we're just NOW starting to get their production back on track.


Oh, there's definitely a little of column A, a little of column B, and a little of columns C through Z here.
 
2021-10-22 2:13:32 PM  

Snaptastic: I went minimalist around 2015, and haven't regretted it. I purged 75% of the crap in my house, and have carefully controlled my purchases since. I have saved a lot of money and time, and kind of enjoy finding ways to repurpose and recycle things.

I won't suffer at all with the shortages, and it makes me further appreciate my choice to stop buying all the things.

Granted, that is not an common American mindset, and lots of people are going to be on tv pitching hissy fits about how everything is ruined because a toy or something stupid isn't here.


I did this in 95, only I called it poverty.
 
2021-10-22 2:36:15 PM  

natazha: Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.


Oooouch.  About two months ago our washing machine packed it in with a catastrophic drum failure, I was seeing some 3-4 week projections for deliveries from the big companies.  A friend casually asked if I'd checked one of the local businesses and sure enough I had a new washing machine delivered the next day after a quick visit to their show room to pick a model they had in stock.
 
2021-10-22 2:36:58 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Snaptastic: I went minimalist around 2015, and haven't regretted it. I purged 75% of the crap in my house, and have carefully controlled my purchases since. I have saved a lot of money and time, and kind of enjoy finding ways to repurpose and recycle things.

I won't suffer at all with the shortages, and it makes me further appreciate my choice to stop buying all the things.

Granted, that is not an common American mindset, and lots of people are going to be on tv pitching hissy fits about how everything is ruined because a toy or something stupid isn't here.

I did this in 95, only I called it poverty.


Poverty led to my former substantial piles of crap. I was raised to feel like I had to accumulate and keep all the things- but it was too much stuff, and not enough of it was useful.

My brother is still practically a hoarder, and is just now starting to realize that it is an issue.
 
2021-10-22 3:30:31 PM  
Thumbs up to subby for using "defuse" correctly.
 
2021-10-22 4:26:08 PM  

apathy2673: Stop buying so much crap?

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HELL NO


Normally people in ads are excessively upbeat, like "I AM JUST SO F*CKING HAPPY TO BE EATING A SALTINE!!".

That guy looks like he's about to cry, which isn't really an improvement
 
2021-10-22 6:03:15 PM  

BumpInTheNight: natazha: Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.

Oooouch.  About two months ago our washing machine packed it in with a catastrophic drum failure, I was seeing some 3-4 week projections for deliveries from the big companies.  A friend casually asked if I'd checked one of the local businesses and sure enough I had a new washing machine delivered the next day after a quick visit to their show room to pick a model they had in stock.


Yup, same with my brother and a hunt for a new washing machine.  The big box stores were out, or their floor computers had crap data and the item wasn't actually in stock...
But the local appliance warehouse guys had it in stock and we grabbed it the same day in my pickup truck.

Cheaper by 250 bucks, too.
 
2021-10-22 8:51:21 PM  

BumpInTheNight: natazha: Our wall oven is dying and deliveries for a replacement run December 2021 to March 2022, depending on the model.  I doubt "buying so much crap" is the problem in this case.

Oooouch.  About two months ago our washing machine packed it in with a catastrophic drum failure, I was seeing some 3-4 week projections for deliveries from the big companies.  A friend casually asked if I'd checked one of the local businesses and sure enough I had a new washing machine delivered the next day after a quick visit to their show room to pick a model they had in stock.


Tried that. Salem has a severe shortage of local companies. Every time my home warranty company sends in a tech, they are either from Portland or Vancouver, WA.
 
2021-10-22 8:58:07 PM  

Snaptastic: I went minimalist around 2015, and haven't regretted it. I purged 75% of the crap in my house, and have carefully controlled my purchases since. I have saved a lot of money and time, and kind of enjoy finding ways to repurpose and recycle things.

I won't suffer at all with the shortages, and it makes me further appreciate my choice to stop buying all the things.

Granted, that is not an common American mindset, and lots of people are going to be on tv pitching hissy fits about how everything is ruined because a toy or something stupid isn't here.


Same. I did that Marie Kondo book with my things and it was so nice to have space. Tables are empty(ish) when I want to do a craft project, floors are clear if I need to move furniture, the countertops are empty so if I spill something while cooking it's just a quick wipe instead of carefully picking up all those little countertop things and cleaning them off.
This has made Christmas annoying because absolutely none of my family believes me when I say "I do not want anything. Please don't buy me clutter. I just got rid of the clutter and I don't want more." They're not buying me gifts, they're giving me work because now I have to rehome a bunch of presents I never asked for.
 
2021-10-22 9:04:05 PM  
Right now im trying to get 3 different firewire devices that ive verified still work to interface.  2 different types- ones an audio keyboard, others have to do with ccd's.  All of them are really good tools if you have control of medium.  Im figuring out hyper v amd pulling an old key of vista (and debian for good measure) hopefully infind the firmware for the pcie card that arrives, as well as thebother devices.

Theres an old type of smartphone im attempting to bend to a few different uses.  All the tools on it work, its just not supported anymore.

And now, windows 11 doesnt presently support 2011v3

/was hoping to eventually hop to dual xeon 2011v3 with a mobo upgradeband windows 11, but microsoft is making an arguement to keep 10 for existing tools, and vm linux :p
 
2021-10-23 1:48:46 AM  
Teeny tiny problem: this all got started because 18 months ago we didall stop buying stuff.  (Except stuff we needed for working from home.) We stopped buying enough stuff that manufacturers cut production and idled factories.  And then when we started buying stuff again, we wanted to make up for lost time, and... yeah, here we are.

If we slash our orders now, those same factories are going to be idled again.  Whipsawing between strong demand and no demand isn't going to fix anything.
 
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