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2021-10-21 1:18:04 PM  
Know who else took an oath?

And never unswore it?

And was trained in how to take a gun away from an unworthy dipstick?

Then use it?
 
2021-10-21 1:56:28 PM  
I wonder if people have done a heat map of former Klan high density areas and where the Oath Keepers are clustered?
 
2021-10-21 2:25:03 PM  

nmrsnr: I wonder if people have done a heat map of former Klan high density areas and where the Oath Keepers are clustered?


Probably easier to do the latter, with the recent leak; data on the former seems decidedly incomplete.
 
2021-10-21 2:56:26 PM  
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2021-10-21 2:56:40 PM  
The Constitution is just like the Bible. No, I never really read either one, but I've seen some excerpts that I liked and so I assume everything else in there is basically the same - that is, it reinforces all the things I believe in, it hates all the things I hate, and it fully justifies anything I want to do at any given time.

I want to be a bigoted asshole? Bible is right there telling me I can kill people who are different.  I want to carry around a gun to prove how big a man I am, even if I can't be bothered to exercise any responsibility for it? The Constitution says I'm good.  Anyone who disagrees is an anti-american heathen, obviously.
 
2021-10-21 3:02:34 PM  
I'm having trouble matching the headline to the article.
 
2021-10-21 3:02:57 PM  
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2021-10-21 3:04:34 PM  
Prison. Now.
 
2021-10-21 3:05:14 PM  

wademh: I'm having trouble matching the headline to the article.


The Oathkeepers claim to be defenders of the Constitution but also engaged in the 1/6 terrorist attack.
 
2021-10-21 3:05:23 PM  
"Tarvin recalled signing up at a booth in White County, Georgia"

Well that seems par for the course.
 
2021-10-21 3:05:30 PM  
Take note everyone:


Then, Haran did something unusual, even among never-Trump Republicans: He became a Democrat.
Haran doesn't agree with the Democrats on everything, but he said he feels welcome in the party. He's still passionate about guns and immigration, but he also supports environmental protections and universal health care. Above all, he wanted to help get rid of Trump. In 2020, he joined his local precinct committee and started regularly attending party meetings.
 
2021-10-21 3:09:50 PM  

nmrsnr: I wonder if people have done a heat map of former Klan high density areas and where the Oath Keepers are clustered?


"Gutter, tell nmrsnr what he's won!"

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2021-10-21 3:12:38 PM  

odinsposse: wademh: I'm having trouble matching the headline to the article.

The Oathkeepers claim to be defenders of the Constitution but also engaged in the 1/6 terrorist attack.


This is true, however this particular article doesn't feature them making that point or featue these idiots trying to make claims about defending the Constitution. It's about outing the significant number of elected GQP officials that have associated themselves with the Oathkeepers or Proud Boys. The article is about how affiliation with these radical groups is becoming normalized in GQP circles.
 
2021-10-21 3:15:11 PM  
Jesus Christ, TPM: How A Militia Movement Took Root In The Republican Mainstream

How that should read:

How A Militia Movement Invented by Republicans Took Root In The Republican Mainstream, Where It Started

(sigh) This is why I excoriate the "liberal" media. This shiat we're seeing right now, all of it, is not new. It might be rebranded every now and then, but it is the same shiat Republicans have been selling since AT LEAST the 1950s: white supremacy, militarism, attacks on "liberals" and marginalized groups (LGBTQ, for example) as enemies of the state, etc.

Nor has it ever been really distinct from the Republican party. It is nurtured in the Republican party and then "mainstreamed" by the "liberal" media, which invites these assholes on TV and on their other outlets to "explain" themselves, and almost always covered in a deliberately flattering light. In the linked story, nowhere does the word "racist" appear. The phrase "white supremacist" appears once, in a quote where one of the racists complains that he and other members are stigmatized as white supremacists.

They are absolutely white supremacists. And probably lots of other terrible shiat, too.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-ha​t​e/extremist-files/group/oath-keepers
 
2021-10-21 3:20:46 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: (sigh) This is why I excoriate the "liberal" media. This shiat we're seeing right now, all of it, is not new. It might be rebranded every now and then, but it is the same shiat Republicans have been selling since AT LEAST the 1950s: white supremacy, militarism, attacks on "liberals" and marginalized groups (LGBTQ, for example) as enemies of the state, etc.


I was at the OKC "Stop the Steal" rally at the Capitol. 

Proud Boys and OathKeepers kept getting the wink and nod as "patriots" from the speakers. 

Local media cropped them out of all the shots covering it.
 
2021-10-21 3:21:10 PM  
His name is literally Clampitt?!
 
2021-10-21 3:24:54 PM  

Kalyco Jack: His name is literally Clampitt?!


Jed twern't so bad. He seems more like a Bodine.
 
2021-10-21 3:26:06 PM  
People who fetishize and collect things tend to get together in groups so they can share their fetish items with like minded people. Guns, bibles, conspiracy theories, stupidity, racist iconography, military regalia, fascist beliefs, and more are a shared love of these trashy morons and if they can't get together and try to impress each other, who else will be impressed?

Social media and other transcripts of these people conversations all share at some point an inventory of their collections. 'I got 4 ARs, a bullet proof vest, a legit hitler youth dagger, and a can of old Zyklon B with a piece of cyanide still rattling around it!'

Lots of like minded people get together in groups to share their joint passions. Most aren't borderline morons hell bent on destroying the nation though.
 
2021-10-21 3:31:52 PM  
I would love to give the oathkeepers a quiz on the constitution and nothing too hard maybe high school level civics class of it. If they fail they can't be oath keepers anymore.
 
2021-10-21 3:35:48 PM  

groppet: I would love to give the oathkeepers a quiz on the constitution and nothing too hard maybe high school level civics class of it. If they fail they can't be oath keepers anymore.


Question 1: Have them spell constitution
 
2021-10-21 3:41:26 PM  

eKonk: The Constitution is just like the Bible. No, I never really read either one, but I've seen some excerpts that I liked and so I assume everything else in there is basically the same - that is, it reinforces all the things I believe in, it hates all the things I hate, and it fully justifies anything I want to do at any given time.

I want to be a bigoted asshole? Bible is right there telling me I can kill people who are different.  I want to carry around a gun to prove how big a man I am, even if I can't be bothered to exercise any responsibility for it? The Constitution says I'm good.  Anyone who disagrees is an anti-american heathen, obviously.


I can't find it right now but there was some critter in ID or MT or somewhere red that said the constitution allows you to kill Muslims. In fact it requires you too.

Something long that line. Maybe someone with. better memory has more accurate details.
 
2021-10-21 3:43:53 PM  

rudemix: People who fetishize and collect things tend to get together in groups so they can share their fetish items with like minded people. Guns, bibles, conspiracy theories, stupidity, racist iconography, military regalia, fascist beliefs, and more are a shared love of these trashy morons and if they can't get together and try to impress each other, who else will be impressed?

Social media and other transcripts of these people conversations all share at some point an inventory of their collections. 'I got 4 ARs, a bullet proof vest, a legit hitler youth dagger, and a can of old Zyklon B with a piece of cyanide still rattling around it!'

Lots of like minded people get together in groups to share their joint passions. Most aren't borderline morons hell bent on destroying the nation though.


I collect propaganda... I just kinda... like it... I'm not so interested in which side it's on, so much as I think it's neat to look at the different tactics of psychological warfare, in both methods of building support for governmental actions, and eroding that support. The art in the posters in particular is really telling, even sometimes the ones in support of a government will reveal some terrible truths underneath (such as pro-US/anti-Japanese WW2 posters depicting monster-like Japanese people carrying white women away).  Unfortunately, the new era of propaganda is much less easy to define, or pick out, as it consists more of feeding various "sides" of the same narrative with the goal simply of re-enforcing echo-chambers and deepening already existing social divides, so you end up with the same hostile actors posing both as white nationalists/white supremacists, while the same people are also posting black power/antifa messages... and peppering both sides with disinformation/misinformation in an effort to preclude any possibility of meaningful communication or resolution.
 
2021-10-21 3:50:22 PM  

firefly212: rudemix: People who fetishize and collect things tend to get together in groups so they can share their fetish items with like minded people. Guns, bibles, conspiracy theories, stupidity, racist iconography, military regalia, fascist beliefs, and more are a shared love of these trashy morons and if they can't get together and try to impress each other, who else will be impressed?

Social media and other transcripts of these people conversations all share at some point an inventory of their collections. 'I got 4 ARs, a bullet proof vest, a legit hitler youth dagger, and a can of old Zyklon B with a piece of cyanide still rattling around it!'

Lots of like minded people get together in groups to share their joint passions. Most aren't borderline morons hell bent on destroying the nation though.

I collect propaganda... I just kinda... like it... I'm not so interested in which side it's on, so much as I think it's neat to look at the different tactics of psychological warfare, in both methods of building support for governmental actions, and eroding that support. The art in the posters in particular is really telling, even sometimes the ones in support of a government will reveal some terrible truths underneath (such as pro-US/anti-Japanese WW2 posters depicting monster-like Japanese people carrying white women away).  Unfortunately, the new era of propaganda is much less easy to define, or pick out, as it consists more of feeding various "sides" of the same narrative with the goal simply of re-enforcing echo-chambers and deepening already existing social divides, so you end up with the same hostile actors posing both as white nationalists/white supremacists, while the same people are also posting black power/antifa messages... and peppering both sides with disinformation/misinformation in an effort to preclude any possibility of meaningful communication or resolution.


I should add the caveat... I don't treat any propaganda as though it is sacred or should be revered... I treat it more like... I keep stuff in uv protective vaccum bags so it doesn't degrade over time, more like... I want these bits of history to be saved, so, for better or worse, future generations will remember both that visual communication can be used to drive people to both noble causes and some of the most evil causes the world has ever seen.
 
2021-10-21 3:51:52 PM  
Before I retired from the Navy in '14, I was on the receiving end of some very oversimplified information about what would become today's Oath Keepers. It seemed like there was a desire to maintain some of the values that "aligned" with militaristic/patriotic leanings I had as a lifer, but being the '80's/early '90's hardcore kid that I am, the thought of joining anything or anyone else that proclaimed it that loudly seemed off. Looking at who and what they are now, I know why. I hate what has been done with the ideas of service and patriotism by these putrid, hateful, aggro subcultures of failed trash.
 
2021-10-21 3:52:18 PM  
"Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.
 
2021-10-21 3:54:41 PM  
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2021-10-21 3:59:28 PM  
We know who a lot of these people are, and we should be Ruby Ridging/Waco-ing their sorry asses on the regular. But that would require a President and a Justice Department with guts. I'm pretty much past the point of caring whether such an approach offends the constitution. Let them sue after the fact if they want to.
 
2021-10-21 4:00:11 PM  

RasIanI: "Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.


I remember after Parkland or one of  the mass shootings Trump said take the guns and then do the due process. Didn't see these guys in the street over that.
 
2021-10-21 4:02:23 PM  

groppet: I would love to give the oathkeepers a quiz on the constitution and nothing too hard maybe high school level civics class of it. If they fail they can't be oath keepers anymore.


https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-res​o​urce-center/find-study-materials-and-r​esources/study-for-the-test-2008-versi​on/2008-civics-practice-test
 
2021-10-21 4:09:51 PM  

groppet: RasIanI: "Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.

I remember after Parkland or one of  the mass shootings Trump said take the guns and then do the due process. Didn't see these guys in the street over that.


Exactly  -- Trump has uttered the most threatening language ever uttered towards gun owners -- nuthin' but crickets.

Of course the NRA and other highly placed conservatives quietly disabused him of such cavalier notions subsequently  -- but nevertheless.
 
2021-10-21 4:19:27 PM  

saturn badger: groppet: I would love to give the oathkeepers a quiz on the constitution and nothing too hard maybe high school level civics class of it. If they fail they can't be oath keepers anymore.

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-reso​urce-center/find-study-materials-and-r​esources/study-for-the-test-2008-versi​on/2008-civics-practice-test


"How often is the Presidential election?"

Apparently it's perpetually.
 
2021-10-21 4:22:54 PM  

RasIanI: "Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.


Believe it or not, there was a time when I thought that left leaning people might see fit to unite and defend the cultural, economic, and political gains we'd made as a nation, through whatever means deemed necessary by the situation at hand - when a Romney presidency seemed like the worst thing we'd have to face. For a split second in '13/'14, OK seemed like they might be something like that. Their right lean probably became obvious pretty quickly after that, which was probably the main attraction for the GOP types - but it was kinda hard to know they'd become the grinning face of American racism and fascism before Trump made that okay for the whole country. A lot of us were used to the quiet parts being kept quiet.
 
2021-10-21 4:26:30 PM  

RasIanI: groppet: RasIanI: "Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.

I remember after Parkland or one of  the mass shootings Trump said take the guns and then do the due process. Didn't see these guys in the street over that.

Exactly  -- Trump has uttered the most threatening language ever uttered towards gun owners -- nuthin' but crickets.

Of course the NRA and other highly placed conservatives quietly disabused him of such cavalier notions subsequently  -- but nevertheless.


I also remember I think during the Obama admin someone suggested that mentally ill people and people with a history of domestic violence should not have guns and people lost their shiat over that.
 
2021-10-21 4:51:04 PM  

undernova: RasIanI: "Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.

Believe it or not, there was a time when I thought that left leaning people might see fit to unite and defend the cultural, economic, and political gains we'd made as a nation, through whatever means deemed necessary by the situation at hand - when a Romney presidency seemed like the worst thing we'd have to face. For a split second in '13/'14, OK seemed like they might be something like that. Their right lean probably became obvious pretty quickly after that, which was probably the main attraction for the GOP types - but it was kinda hard to know they'd become the grinning face of American racism and fascism before Trump made that okay for the whole country. A lot of us were used to the quiet parts being kept quiet.


That would be far less likely to happen. For starters, you'd almost never have a collection of liberal minded people bearing arms against government and social oppression - the concept of the 2A is beyond the pale for them to imbibe in that. Guns, as it stands currently, are almost a concept of the right wing, and whatever totems that right wingers claim to enjoy are off limits for liberals.
 
2021-10-21 5:03:14 PM  
The more anti-American right-wingers are, the louder they claim to love the country.
 
2021-10-21 5:16:42 PM  
They're going to rebel if the federal government invades the states? Then where are they gonna get their EBT card money?
 
2021-10-21 6:12:05 PM  

undernova: Before I retired from the Navy in '14, I was on the receiving end of some very oversimplified information about what would become today's Oath Keepers. It seemed like there was a desire to maintain some of the values that "aligned" with militaristic/patriotic leanings I had as a lifer, but being the '80's/early '90's hardcore kid that I am, the thought of joining anything or anyone else that proclaimed it that loudly seemed off. Looking at who and what they are now, I know why. I hate what has been done with the ideas of service and patriotism by these putrid, hateful, aggro subcultures of failed trash.


From outside, your patriotism doesn't look any different tbh.
 
2021-10-21 6:13:33 PM  

undernova: RasIanI: "Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.

Believe it or not, there was a time when I thought that left leaning people might see fit to unite and defend the cultural, economic, and political gains we'd made as a nation, through whatever means deemed necessary by the situation at hand - when a Romney presidency seemed like the worst thing we'd have to face. For a split second in '13/'14, OK seemed like they might be something like that. Their right lean probably became obvious pretty quickly after that, which was probably the main attraction for the GOP types - but it was kinda hard to know they'd become the grinning face of American racism and fascism before Trump made that okay for the whole country. A lot of us were used to the quiet parts being kept quiet.


So it was fine with you as long as you could pretend not to know about it?
 
2021-10-21 6:23:46 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: undernova: RasIanI: "Oath Keepers pledge to resist if the federal government imposes martial law, invades a state or takes people's guns"

Why would anybody pledge to defend against things that have never happened in America since the 1860s??-- and show zero indication of occurring imminently, if ever.

Because it has nothing to do with those things -- and has everything to do with culturally scurrt wypipo.

Believe it or not, there was a time when I thought that left leaning people might see fit to unite and defend the cultural, economic, and political gains we'd made as a nation, through whatever means deemed necessary by the situation at hand - when a Romney presidency seemed like the worst thing we'd have to face. For a split second in '13/'14, OK seemed like they might be something like that. Their right lean probably became obvious pretty quickly after that, which was probably the main attraction for the GOP types - but it was kinda hard to know they'd become the grinning face of American racism and fascism before Trump made that okay for the whole country. A lot of us were used to the quiet parts being kept quiet.

So it was fine with you as long as you could pretend not to know about it?


No. In late '13/early '14, I didn't see anything in the limited info I had that would lead me to believe they'd be what they are today. And either way, I didn't think enough of what I thought they might be to devote any further attention to them.
 
2021-10-21 6:24:55 PM  
And what they are now is truly the worst.
 
2021-10-21 7:11:58 PM  

saturn badger: eKonk: The Constitution is just like the Bible. No, I never really read either one, but I've seen some excerpts that I liked and so I assume everything else in there is basically the same - that is, it reinforces all the things I believe in, it hates all the things I hate, and it fully justifies anything I want to do at any given time.

I want to be a bigoted asshole? Bible is right there telling me I can kill people who are different.  I want to carry around a gun to prove how big a man I am, even if I can't be bothered to exercise any responsibility for it? The Constitution says I'm good.  Anyone who disagrees is an anti-american heathen, obviously.

I can't find it right now but there was some critter in ID or MT or somewhere red that said the constitution allows you to kill Muslims. In fact it requires you too.

Something long that line. Maybe someone with. better memory has more accurate details.


That's the beautiful thing - it doesn't matter if it's actually written or not. Those of us that have faith, who truly believe, know that it's in there, along with everything else we want. It's there in the cockles of our hearts. Or maybe below the cockles, in the sub-cockle area....maybe in the liver, maybe in the kidneys, maybe even in Denis Leary's colon, we don't know...
 
2021-10-21 7:55:48 PM  
We need a clear and concrete ruling on exactly what the constitution says and is inerpeted as saying.  All the edge cases in a serchable format, with no ambiguity.  So that we can all know EXACTLY what the constitution means.  Precisely.  No questions.

Problem solved.
 
2021-10-21 8:27:35 PM  

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/bling bling, yo
 
2021-10-21 8:36:19 PM  

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/bling bling, yo


Marc Anthony and Gente de zona (area men) frown upon your icy hot comparison.

/Latino pop obscure on fark
 
2021-10-21 8:59:27 PM  

bluenovaman: gameshowhost: bluenovaman: [Fark user image image 733x442]

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/bling bling, yo

Marc Anthony and Gente de zona (area men) frown upon your icy hot comparison.

/Latino pop obscure on fark


crap i didn't even recognize marc anthony, ope
 
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