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(Politico)   Great news everyone: Our clever corporate overlords have found a way to bring back indentured servitude   (politico.com) divider line
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2021-10-21 9:00:35 AM  
"We typically think of debt that ordinary people and families owe to corporations as aconsumerproblem, but in today's marketplace, it causes distinct harm to workers"

When didn't it?
 
2021-10-21 9:25:55 AM  
"Our wages aren't keeping up with cost of living, sure, but luckily for you our company is setting up a...shop...that will sell items to you at a discount for working here."
 
2021-10-21 9:37:24 AM  
One simple, yet powerful solution is to direct certain key agencies, including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the Department of Transportation, to create dedicated offices for worker protection.

Naive article is naive. Without Congressional action specifically outlining their intent, said offices would be transformed by the GOP into defacto slaver's councils.
 
2021-10-21 9:38:20 AM  
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2021-10-21 9:42:57 AM  

GardenWeasel: One simple, yet powerful solution is to direct certain key agencies, including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the Department of Transportation, to create dedicated offices for worker protection.

Naive article is naive. Without Congressional action specifically outlining their intent, said offices would be transformed by the GOP into defacto slaver's councils.


The CFPB showed decent resilience during the Interregnum.  its charter is pretty clear so the worst the Trump appointed directors could do was weaken new regulations not stop them and not roll any of them back.    Under Director Chopra?  He seems eager to flex his UDAAP (Unfair, deceptive or abusive acts and practices)   authority, and this seems like an easy one for him,

(yes, my law practice IS in exactly this realm why do you ask?)
 
2021-10-21 10:07:16 AM  
Politico has been purchased outright by an Oligarch-wannabe, extreme right winger from Germany. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/17/bu​s​iness/media/axel-springer-bild-julian-​reichelt.html
 
2021-10-21 10:09:06 AM  
Eventually we'll reach the stage where if you never work and just live houseless but never acquiring more debt, you'll be better off than someone employed and accruing debt.

The end game of unregulated Capitalism.
 
2021-10-21 10:14:31 AM  

HerptheDerp: Eventually we'll reach the stage where if you never work and just live houseless but never acquiring more debt, you'll be better off than someone employed and accruing debt.

The end game of unregulated Capitalism.


Except then you'll be declared a "person in need of assistance", and sent to the Amazon warehouse for "assistance".
 
2021-10-21 10:15:06 AM  

Znuh: Politico has been purchased outright by an Oligarch-wannabe, extreme right winger from Germany.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/17/bus​iness/media/axel-springer-bild-julian-​reichelt.html


What is this, an article for ants people who can afford getting thru a paywall?
 
2021-10-21 10:17:41 AM  
According to a lawsuit filed earlier this year by the state's attorney general, the janitor and other immigrant workers with limited English skills were lured into this grueling, grossly underpaid work through a scheme common in the industry: A janitorial company sold the workers franchises that were pretty much bound to fail. In these situations, the price is steep, the cleaning jobs are inherently unprofitable and the franchise purchases are financed through loans from the company, to be paid off with deductions from pay. In the end, workers toil for next to nothing, lack the autonomy of a true independent business and face what is essentially a crippling payday loan keeping them indentured to their employer.

Steal 10 dollars worth of Twinkies from a convenience store and you're shot to death in the dark.

Rob innocent, vulnerable people with the stroke of a pen and you're given a promotion.

This is why some people advocate for guillotine economics.
 
2021-10-21 10:18:35 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: "Our wages aren't keeping up with cost of living, sure, but luckily for you our company is setting up a...shop...that will sell items to you at a discount for working here."


I'm actually down with a company store under certain circumstances if it is ran more like  px and less like ha-ha-fark-you-rubes!
 
2021-10-21 10:18:39 AM  
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2021-10-21 10:20:01 AM  
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2021-10-21 10:22:19 AM  
This just sounds similar to MLM scams except with immigrants and cleaning companies, instead of targeting lower middle class suburban moms they are targeting the immigrants that traditionally do these cleaning jobs.
 
2021-10-21 10:23:40 AM  
 
2021-10-21 10:24:06 AM  

bthom37: HerptheDerp: Eventually we'll reach the stage where if you never work and just live houseless but never acquiring more debt, you'll be better off than someone employed and accruing debt.

The end game of unregulated Capitalism.

Except then you'll be declared a "person in need of assistance", and sent to the Amazon warehouse for "assistance".


Have we no workhouses?
 
2021-10-21 10:24:41 AM  
This exploitation reflects the troubling emergence of a new threat to Americans already struggling to make ends meet: debt imposed by companies on their own workers or taken on by workers as a condition of doing the job.

Isn't this the plot of a novel written over a hundred years ago?

// spoiler - no(t exactly)
// see, because in The Jungle, the protagonist's labor-farming employer and debt-farming creditor were two different entities
// progress! (or is that just "vertical integration"?)
 
2021-10-21 10:26:47 AM  

Headso: This just sounds similar to MLM scams except with immigrants and cleaning companies, instead of targeting lower middle class suburban moms they are targeting the immigrants that traditionally do these cleaning jobs.


The Lularich documentary is enlightening on this point
 
2021-10-21 10:30:17 AM  
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2021-10-21 10:41:53 AM  

HerptheDerp: Eventually we'll reach the stage where if you never work and just live houseless but never acquiring more debt, you'll be better off than someone employed and accruing debt.

The end game of unregulated Capitalism.


Slavery by other means

Lazy sit at home stock owners kinda like it
 
2021-10-21 10:42:08 AM  
This writer is a real comedian.

"President Joe Biden has vowed to be the most pro-worker leader this country has seen in years, and fortunately, he can use the authority of the federal government to address these abuses even without action from a gridlocked Congress".
 
2021-10-21 10:43:46 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Debtors prison exist in Mississippi.


That violates Federal law.

Oh wait...Mississippi

Never mind
 
2021-10-21 10:44:35 AM  
There are several "truck driving schools" that will train you for free, but you have to agree to lease a truck from them and sign an exclusivity contract to get it. The driver is responsible for all fuel costs, insurance, repairs, tires and permits, all which can be added to the debt of leasing the truck, for a nominal additional fee of course. The company isn't obligated to actually give you any loads to haul, that's something you have to pretty much beg them for. If you go outside their system for loads you're breaking the contract. But you miss one payment on the lease and they repossess the truck and then you still have to pay the debts.

There used to be usury laws in this country. Reaganomics eliminated most of those.
 
2021-10-21 10:44:42 AM  

Dr Dreidel: This exploitation reflects the troubling emergence of a new threat to Americans already struggling to make ends meet: debt imposed by companies on their own workers or taken on by workers as a condition of doing the job.

Isn't this the plot of a novel written over a hundred years ago?

// spoiler - no(t exactly)
// see, because in The Jungle, the protagonist's labor-farming employer and debt-farming creditor were two different entities
// progress! (or is that just "vertical integration"?)


Welcome to the Jungle
 
2021-10-21 10:46:06 AM  

red230: This writer is a real comedian.

"President Joe Biden has vowed to be the most pro-worker leader this country has seen in years, and fortunately, he can use the authority of the federal government to address these abuses even without action from a gridlocked Congress".


Big business owned capital hill shuts down President.

Details at 11
 
2021-10-21 10:47:37 AM  

Deathfrogg: There are several "truck driving schools" that will train you for free, but you have to agree to lease a truck from them and sign an exclusivity contract to get it. The driver is responsible for all fuel costs, insurance, repairs, tires and permits, all which can be added to the debt of leasing the truck, for a nominal additional fee of course. The company isn't obligated to actually give you any loads to haul, that's something you have to pretty much beg them for. If you go outside their system for loads you're breaking the contract. But you miss one payment on the lease and they repossess the truck and then you still have to pay the debts.

There used to be usury laws in this country. Reaganomics eliminated most of those.


Ole ronnie cant push up enough daisies these days
 
2021-10-21 10:48:28 AM  
Gig economy drivers often finance their cars through costly sub-prime auto loans or through "buy here pay here" car dealers that offer high interest rates, sometimes charge prices higher than the car's value, and may even place a device on the car to disable it if a payment is missed.

Maybe they shouldn't do that, just like we tell landlords who rent mortgaged properties.
 
2021-10-21 10:50:42 AM  
You get this kind of shiat when labor is considered just another commodity that should cost as little as possible.
 
2021-10-21 10:51:27 AM  
I'd argue that student loans already brought that back. Except nowadays, we have to work for like 20 years to pay back the cost of being trained to work.
 
2021-10-21 11:01:45 AM  
I'd like to say the government is not itself a fair player in this area. If you regularly travel for the FDA, you get a government credit card in your name. You are responsible to use it only for work-related expense but you have to pay it off yourself even if you aren't reimbursed yet. That incurs huge pain sometimes, especially for overseas trips that are a minimum of 2 weeks by design.  Failure to pay on time not only impacts your credit score, but can result in job loss as a low credit score signals you are a potential target for bribery, as do any financial issues. Those trips are usually more than $5000 each overseas.  Reimbursement could take months.
 
2021-10-21 11:02:56 AM  

Nadie_AZ: "We typically think of debt that ordinary people and families owe to corporations as aconsumerproblem, but in today's marketplace, it causes distinct harm to workers"

When didn't it?


These people are so cute. They think slavery was ended in the US some time ago. I bet they even think the people funding anti-abortion groups do so because JEEBUS and not because they want a permanent underclass of men and women to be their slave labor.

Here's a way to test that really quickly: Make it so little Suzy Richwhitegirl getting an abortion, and anyone helping her get an abortion, even one that happens in a different country, is liable for first degree murder. You'll see the anti-abortion movement get squashed like bugs by the rich / powerful in nothing flat.

Slavery never ended, it just changed names and became less overt.
 
2021-10-21 11:05:18 AM  
I just saw something today about how port truck drivers are required to queue for hours to take stuff away but are only paid for the time AFTER the stuff gets loaded & none of the queueing time.

Which fits way too well into this thing I just heard yesterday about how the development of the shipping container effectively meant that suppliers could credibly threaten any workers who try to organize with taking their jobs to a friendlier country.

(which now results in byzantine supply chains all over the world, which is part of what's causing such trouble for businesses now)

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it​-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/wh​y-our-supply-chains-suck-88204575/
 
2021-10-21 11:17:56 AM  

andrewagill: I just saw something today about how port truck drivers are required to queue for hours to take stuff away but are only paid for the time AFTER the stuff gets loaded & none of the queueing time.

Which fits way too well into this thing I just heard yesterday about how the development of the shipping container effectively meant that suppliers could credibly threaten any workers who try to organize with taking their jobs to a friendlier country.

(which now results in byzantine supply chains all over the world, which is part of what's causing such trouble for businesses now)

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it​-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/wh​y-our-supply-chains-suck-88204575/


This was one of the best episodes of ICHH so far, with very little cringe.

I found the initial intro of the shipping container as a great evil eye roll inducing, but the rest of the information was really good.
 
2021-10-21 11:20:57 AM  

feltrider: andrewagill: I just saw something today about how port truck drivers are required to queue for hours to take stuff away but are only paid for the time AFTER the stuff gets loaded & none of the queueing time.

Which fits way too well into this thing I just heard yesterday about how the development of the shipping container effectively meant that suppliers could credibly threaten any workers who try to organize with taking their jobs to a friendlier country.

(which now results in byzantine supply chains all over the world, which is part of what's causing such trouble for businesses now)

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it​-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/wh​y-our-supply-chains-suck-88204575/

This was one of the best episodes of ICHH so far, with very little cringe.

I found the initial intro of the shipping container as a great evil eye roll inducing, but the rest of the information was really good.


The shipping container as a modular, stackable, transportable storage unit would have happened eventually regardless but what producers did with it...
 
2021-10-21 11:23:16 AM  
But remember, it's the illegal immigrants sneaking over the border who are stealing yer jerbs and driving down wages.
 
2021-10-21 11:23:27 AM  

Deathfrogg: There are several "truck driving schools" that will train you for free, but you have to agree to lease a truck from them and sign an exclusivity contract to get it. The driver is responsible for all fuel costs, insurance, repairs, tires and permits, all which can be added to the debt of leasing the truck, for a nominal additional fee of course. The company isn't obligated to actually give you any loads to haul, that's something you have to pretty much beg them for. If you go outside their system for loads you're breaking the contract. But you miss one payment on the lease and they repossess the truck and then you still have to pay the debts.

There used to be usury laws in this country. Reaganomics eliminated most of those.


actually a 1976 Supreme court case did that.   On the surface it seemed to be an innocuous "choice of law" case to decide when a bank was in one state and a borrower resided in another, did you apply the law of the Bank's state or the Debtors when resolving the terms of a loan?

The SCOTUS said the Bank's home state, and that was all she wrote for consumer protections in the lending industry.   A "race to the bottom" was kicked off to she which state could become the most lender-friendly, by, aong other things ditching usury laws, interest rate caps, etc   (Nevada, South Dakota and Delaware won, BTW that's why all credit cards come from one of the three)
 
2021-10-21 11:27:43 AM  
Indentured servitude was a traditional way for immigrants to pay for their passage from Europe to America.  The last time people complained about it, the solution was to enact chattel slavery.  So, be careful what you're asking for here.
 
2021-10-21 11:29:39 AM  
Some segments of the trucking industry will fight this. They'll claim this will only make the driver shortage worse, which might be true, but not because their existing systems are actually helping.
 
2021-10-21 11:32:17 AM  

shut_it_down: I'd argue that student loans already brought that back. Except nowadays, we have to work for like 20 years to pay back the cost of being trained to work.


And then you can't  find any work anywhere close to your dream field, but now you have those student loans.....
 
2021-10-21 11:33:18 AM  
While this is absolutely appalling, it's not new. At all. So they haven't "found" a way to "bring back" indentured servitude.

It's always been here.
 
2021-10-21 11:37:52 AM  
There was a story today where a guy applied to jobs, specifically places that complained about being understaffed and nobody wanting to work. Out of the 40 he applied for he got some emails, some calls and one interview. People called in to share their job search horror stories and most of them were about being lied to, one guy said he went to an interview for a job that said starting pay was $15-$20 and they offered him $9 despite having plenty of experience. I have had people call me to offer me jobs, seems great until they sneak in it is only a 3-4 month term, fark that BS.
 
2021-10-21 11:40:14 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: While this is absolutely appalling, it's not new. At all. So they haven't "found" a way to "bring back" indentured servitude.

It's always been here.


Yeah like how they changed door to door sales to face to face marketing, it is always there, just rebranded and repackaged.
 
2021-10-21 11:40:19 AM  
This is also the system by which we train medical doctors.  Saddle them with $300,000 to $500,000 in student loan debt just for medical school (to say nothing of college) and then force them to work 80 hours a week for a mid-five figure salary for 3-10 years while the interest piles up.
 
2021-10-21 11:48:15 AM  
They advertise a job but they are selling a product. This isn't new, but it's unethical.
 
2021-10-21 11:51:57 AM  
The expat assignments I've done in years past all had allowances that were subject to pretty extreme clawbacks. Not exactly the same thing, but if you got to the country and needed to bail, you would be seriously upside-down in obligations to the sponsoring company.
 
2021-10-21 11:59:41 AM  

mybluemake: AdmirableSnackbar: "Our wages aren't keeping up with cost of living, sure, but luckily for you our company is setting up a...shop...that will sell items to you at a discount for working here."

I'm actually down with a company store under certain circumstances if it is ran more like  px and less like ha-ha-fark-you-rubes!


Since this is America, take a wild guess how it's going to go.
 
2021-10-21 12:01:17 PM  
Raise. The. Goddamn. Minimum. Wage.

$25 per hour. Permanently tied to inflation.

This is literally becoming a wage slavery empire.
 
2021-10-21 12:05:06 PM  

shut_it_down: I'd argue that student loans already brought that back. Except nowadays, we have to work for like 20 years to pay back the cost of being trained to work.


Go to college, pay the toll.
Get loans in order to go to college, pay the toll.
Work for pennies, pay the toll.
Take out credit cards to fix your run-down car that gets you to work, pay the toll.
Try to stay alive and keep your teeth, pay those tolls.

American society is designed to keep you enslaved, impoverished, and desperate while they wring every single dollar they can out of you.

This system has got to go.
 
2021-10-21 12:16:15 PM  

inglixthemad: They think slavery was ended in the US some time ago.


It wasn't even ended on paper.  Slavery is still permitted as a punishment for crime (specifically in the text of the 13th amendment), which is the primary defense for why prison labor is still exploited.  We generally outlawed chattel slavery on paper, but kept slavery around in several other forms.
 
2021-10-21 12:25:07 PM  

mybluemake: AdmirableSnackbar: "Our wages aren't keeping up with cost of living, sure, but luckily for you our company is setting up a...shop...that will sell items to you at a discount for working here."

I'm actually down with a company store under certain circumstances if it is ran more like  px and less like ha-ha-fark-you-rubes!


It isn't, though. Ever.
 
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